Whenever I run the cpu at these speeds it seems to become unstable. It works much faster for about five minutes then the lagging begins. The temp gets rather high too. I have programs crash on me a lot regardless but it gets so bad when running at these clocking speeds that I must reboot. I also use system turner and will go from interactive to performance to having all cores locked on 1.6GHz. All these come to the same result, a deep freeze. Although, it is more likely to happen when all cores are at 1.6GHz. I feel like it should not do this as the prime was designed to run like this(not really even overclocking imo). Maybe it is overheating and trying to save itself.
Is there something i have done to cause this or is this a common occurrence? Maybe my tp has another defect to tally up.
Maybe this is why 1.5 and 1.6 are not stock modes? Poking about in /sys, i saw what looked like thermal backoff - looks like there is a table of CPU temp and throttle speed. so if it gets over 90C, it cuts the clock to 1GHz (guessing with the numbers)
You can't count this as a defect necessarily, different individual chips behave differently when overclocked even when they are in spec. Then again, maybe your device has voltage regulator issues.
MY prime runs fine on regular vipercontrol overclock and system tuner extra boost on top. PRIME WAS NEVER MEANT TO RUN WITH ALL 4 CORES MAXED AT 1.6ghz period..lol. even prime highest stock speed 1.4ghz, isn't even running on all 4 cores. Its just one. We are going into new territory with all of them maxed out to 1.6ghz.
PRIME runs fine ln either setup though. I don't get lag. Even stock performance mode runs the temp. Up so can't blame that persay to the overclock as its only natural temp will rise as faster speeds are reached. TEGRA3 chip can easily handle 1.6ghz on vioerboy overclock method. All cores maxed out also although no one has had prime long enough to see if any ill effects from it.
ASUS/nvidis didn't enable overclock speeds for money reasons. You have to remember Prime was designed n built by both Asus n Nvidia. Prime was the perfect testing ground for future tablets using tegra3. That's why Lenovo supposedly coming out with exact same chip except the 1.6ghz is enabled stock. HOW WOULD THAT look if prime came with 1.6ghz? Future tablets down the road would be frowned upon if come out several months later with same speed as prime. SO they basically the underclocked the Prime because its still, by far, the most powerful tablet'processor out today. So then newer tablets down the road can be like hey, I'm upgraded n faster n so on since I'm clocked faster. MONEY N longevity is the reason why prime was underclocked. SAME will be said for phones coming out with tegra3. Nvdia already said they will be underclocked lower than the tablets but will be even more optimized. Same reason why ipad1 didn't have cams. So apple could trick consumers n be like hey this new Ipad2 has came now. When it could've easily been implemented on the first Ipad as there was already android tablets out with cams before Ipad was released. Money, that's what its all about. Apple n all their minor upgrades to phone....sucking money out of people thinkn its some Ol new groundbreaking tech. IPhone, iPhone 3g, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iphone4s. All minor refreshes of each other basically. Adding just a little tl new version to make it look enticing. Even ipad2 is a minor refresh to ipad1. That's why I never got an ipad2. It wasn't worth it. Not enough new features or anything groundbreaking. Plus the more powerful processor n ipad2 was b.s. my ipad1 plays all the same stuff and any of the very few, even still, optimized apps or games for ipad2 hardly look any better. Now ipad3 will be the true successor/upgrade to the original Ipad if rumours hold true of quad core and display. Supposedly even a curved screen. Who knows. Companies not going to build the best device they can that will last forever. They hold back to keep you coming back for the next latest greatest thing.
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MY prime runs fine on regular vipercontrol overclock and system tuner extra boost on top. PRIME WAS NEVER MEANT TO RUN WITH ALL 4 CORES MAXED AT 1.6ghz period..lol. even prime highest stock speed 1.4ghz, isn't even running on all 4 cores. Its just one. We are going into new territory with all of them maxed out to 1.6ghz.
PRIME runs fine ln either setup though. I don't get lag. Even stock performance mode runs the temp. Up so can't blame that persay to the overclock as its only natural temp will rise as faster speeds are reached. TEGRA3 chip can easily handle 1.6ghz on vioerboy overclock method. All cores maxed out also although no one has had prime long enough to see if any ill effects from it.
ASUS/nvidis didn't enable overclock speeds for money reasons. You have to remember Prime was designed n built by both Asus n Nvidia. Prime was the perfect testing ground for future tablets using tegra3. That's why Lenovo supposedly coming out with exact same chip except the 1.6ghz is enabled stock. HOW WOULD THAT look if prime came with 1.6ghz? Future tablets down the road would be frowned upon if come out several months later with same speed as prime. SO they basically the underclocked the Prime because its still, by far, the most powerful tablet'processor out today. So then newer tablets down the road can be like hey, I'm upgraded n faster n so on since I'm clocked faster. MONEY N longevity is the reason why prime was underclocked. SAME will be said for phones coming out with tegra3. Nvdia already said they will be underclocked lower than the tablets but will be even more optimized. Same reason why ipad1 didn't have cams. So apple could trick consumers n be like hey this new Ipad2 has came now. When it could've easily been implemented on the first Ipad as there was already android tablets out with cams before Ipad was released. Money, that's what its all about. Apple n all their minor upgrades to phone....sucking money out of people thinkn its some Ol new groundbreaking tech. IPhone, iPhone 3g, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iphone4s. All minor refreshes of each other basically. Adding just a little tl new version to make it look enticing. Even ipad2 is a minor refresh to ipad1. That's why I never got an ipad2. It wasn't worth it. Not enough new features or anything groundbreaking. Plus the more powerful processor n ipad2 was b.s. my ipad1 plays all the same stuff and any of the very few, even still, optimized apps or games for ipad2 hardly look any better. Now ipad3 will be the true successor/upgrade to the original Ipad if rumours hold true of quad core and display. Supposedly even a curved screen. Who knows. Companies not going to build the best device they can that will last forever. They hold back to keep you coming back for the next latest greatest thing.
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They will have to up the frequency for 1920x1200 tablets. Otherwise they will be much slower than 1280x800 tablets with the same chip.
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They will have to up the frequency for 1920x1200 tablets. Otherwise they will be much slower than 1280x800 tablets with the same chip.
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This is simply not true. Graphics processing is fully capable right now on the tablet at higher resolutions than the screen shows. Simply plug your tablet into a TV via the HDMI connection and you'll see it display just fine.
My question is if anyone else experiencing this.
I know the cpu is not meant to run all cores at a constant 1.6GHz but i don't think it should be causing problems in the first minute or so. From my understanding the only ill effects reported from doing this is a drained battery. I have not heard of anyone else experiencing this.
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Hi all,
I know this article has been floating around here for some time, but this I found rather interesting:
Some have raised points along the lines of Samsung Galaxy S2 phones already having a smoother UI and indicating that they are doing something different vs. the Galaxy Nexus. When comparing individual devices though you really need to look at all of the factors. For example, the S2's screen is 480x800 vs. the Galaxy Nexus at 720x1280. If the Nexus S could already do 60fps for simple UIs on its 480x800, the CPU in the S2's is even better off.
The real important difference between these two screens is just that the Galaxy Nexus has 2.4x as many pixels that need to be drawn as the S2. This means that to achieve the same efficiency at drawing the screen, you need a CPU that can run a single core at 2.4x the speed (and rendering a UI for a single app is essentially not parallelizable, so multiple cores isn't going to save you).
This is where hardware accelerated rendering really becomes important: as the number of pixels goes up, GPUs can generally scale much better to handle them, since they are more specialized at their task. In fact this was the primary incentive for implementing hardware accelerated drawing in Android -- at 720x1280 we are well beyond the point where current ARM CPUs can provide 60fps. (And this is a reason to be careful about making comparisons between the Galaxy Nexus and other devices like the S2 -- if you are running third party apps, there is a good chance today that the app is not enabling hardware acceleration, so your comparison is doing CPU rendering on the Galaxy Nexus which means you almost certainly aren't going to get 60fps out of it, because it needs to hit 2.4x as many pixels as the S2 does.)
To be complete, there is another big advantage that the GPU gives you -- many more drawing effects become feasible. For example, if you are drawing a bitmap in software, you basically can't do anything to it except apply an offset. Just trying to scale it is going to make rendering significantly slower. On a GPU, applying transformations well beyond simple scales is basically free. This is why in the new default Holo themes in Android we have background images -- with hardware accelerated drawing, we can afford to draw (and scale) them. In fact, if the hardware path is not enabled by the app, these background images will be turned off.
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This is kinda the same as with the Prime and the T700/other high-resolution tablets, isn't it? I'm not sure, but it sounds pretty obviously since the Tegra3 GPU isn't very good (yes, it is fine but I'm not sure for those high-res screens?). However I could be completely wrong..
I agree. It's the same with a gaming computer. Just because ur monitor has 1080p doesn't mean u can play all games in that rez. U will need a much more powerful gpu. I am certain though the tegra3 can support 1080p but it won't be smooth as 720p like our device. Unless u lower the rez but how would u on an android. Furthermore how ugly games would look who aren't optimize for 1080p.
Nvidia always!
The question isn't whether there's going to be a performance hit, it's what the performance hit looks like. If it's invisible in everything but gaming, I'd bet a lot of people will go for the HD display and gamers will stick to the lower res. If it's obvious in UI performance and transitions, it makes the benefit of the HD screen a little more questionable. The new chip in the iPad3 and Samsung's new Exynos chip won't make you choose (on paper). Benchmarks are useless except for bragging rights.
I have been saying this since people were trying to compare the new acer and samsung back in Dec. The higher the resolution, the more power and resources it takes. Also you have to look at the app market right now. What app's are out that will use that 1080p display...NONE as of now. Once they (1080p tablets) are released, it will be a few months before most apps will adapt to the new higher displays.
I continue to question the need for having a 1080p 10 inch display- there has to be a limit as to high a ppi count the human eye can reasonably distinguish. Just bumping up the resolution while not working on improving the true render process (in case of games or animations) does not make any sense to me.
A retina display just for the heck of it is not a great idea, at least to me.
For what it's worth, ICS is supposed to be fully hardware accelerated, so the Tegra 3 could be enough to power the higher resolution for everything but games.
Anandtech (who I probably trust the most when it comes to hardware evaluations) seemed to suggest in an early preview that the higher resolution *may* perform ok:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5348/...-with-asus-1920-x-1200-tablet-running-ics-403
That said, there are still questions as to the benefit of such a high resolution on a 10" form factor designed to be held only 1-2' away from your face. They didn't bump up to 1920 x 1200 resolution monitors until 24" LCDs and up.
The real issue is that games on Android don't let you pick a resolution for them to run at. Almost all run at the full Res of the screen, which means slideshow on a 1080p Prime.
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I continue to question the need for having a 1080p 10 inch display- there has to be a limit as to high a ppi count the human eye can reasonably distinguish. Just bumping up the resolution while not working on improving the true render process (in case of games or animations) does not make any sense to me.
A retina display just for the heck of it is not a great idea, at least to me.
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I agree, there is just no point..... there is more important things to improve than pixel count....
Thanks, at least I am not alone on this idea. It seems like when the news came that the iPad 3 is going to have a retina desiplay all the manufacturers didn't care anymore and just were thinking "We also need that!". I am comparision the text from thread with my HTC Sensation which should have a better DPI:
Transformer Prime: 149
The new Prime: 218
HTC Sensation: 260
and from NORMAL viewing distance both look great. However, when i come closer the pixels on the Transformer Prime are a little visible where the Sensation stays sharp. However the phone has a better DPI then the new res. panel so I'm not sure how that is.
I'm sure it will look some better, but I am not sure if it is worth the wait (again) and also the possibilty of the new Prime itself can't keep up with its own resolution..
Oh, again not trying to defend the Prime here.. I have to return it anyway because of backlight bleeding and am not sure if I want a new one or my money back, however if I see this result I think the resolution is just pure marketing.. I mean who is going to sit with its prime 5 cm from their heads.. lol.
http://androidandme.com/2012/01/news/hands-on-with-the-acer-iconia-tab-a510-and-zte-7-tablets/
Watch the video on Acer Iconia a510 (unannounced tablet). 1080p that comes with this tablet... does look a bit sluggish.
Just to add my galaxy nexus is 316 dpi..... unless your 2in from the screen...there really isn't much difference.
Also, I love how laptop and desktop DPI is half what most phone/tabs are and people are having a fit......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density#ASUS
Seems to run pretty good since it is still a pre-production model, however not as smooth as the Prime with ICS yes..
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Just to add my galaxy nexus is 316 dpi..... unless your 2in from the screen...there really isn't much difference.
Also, I love how laptop and desktop DPI is half what most phone/tabs are and people are having a fit......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density#ASUS
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Yeah, exactly what I mean.. you can see it if your very close to the screen, but why would you do that, lol.
Oh, btw.. for the iPad 1&2 it still is 132, which is much lower then our Transformers (149,5), never heard real complaints about that.
>What app's are out that will use that 1080p display...NONE as of now
eBooks & PDFs. Sharper texts. More texts. One can conceivably view 2 pages side-by-side (16:10 / 2 = 8:10, or close to the 8.5:11 printed page).
With display mirroring, you get 1:1 pixel ratio when plugged into a HDTV via HDMI. This makes above use-case (high-density text consumption) much more feasible. Ditto for remote access.
Gaming perf will take a hit. Then again, gaming isn't exactly an Android forte right now, or for mobiles in general. The bulk of games are casual stuff, geared for handset resolution.
One can argue that hardcore Android gaming will prosper over time, and FPS perf will matter more. There are problems with this line of thought. First, is simply the assumption that Android will prosper on tablets, which given current sales is hardly a forgone conclusion. Second, are the fast advances in hardware and their correspondingly short lifespan. GPU-wise, the Teg3 isn't the fastest even now. By the time we get to see enough hardcore games, we'd be on Teg 5 or 6, or their equivalent. Teg3 will be old news.
But sure, if shooters and frame count are your thing, then 720p sounds like a plan, at least for the Teg3.
>I continue to question the need for having a 1080p 10 inch display
Some don't see the need for GPS in tabs either. Some don't use the cams. Different people have different uses. You shouldn't generalize your use to be everyone else's.
Rest assured that when it comes to marketing, toys with lo-res display will be viewed as inferior. Bigger is better. It's the same thing with quadcore vs dualcore vs single-core. Do you actually need a quadcore?
>there has to be a limit as to high a ppi count the human eye can reasonably distinguish
This argument has been bouncing around ever since Apple's Retina Display. Per this PPI calculator, 1920x1200 is 224ppi on a 10.1". Reportedly, people can discern 300ppi at 12" distance, given 20/20 vision. The real test is simpler and much less theoretical: walk into a store and compare the TF201 and TF700 side-by-side, and see if you can discern the difference.
>Anandtech (who I probably trust the most when it comes to hardware evaluations) seemed to suggest in an early preview that the higher resolution *may* perform ok:
Anandtech is good for chip-level analysis. For (mobile) system hardware and use-case analysis, he's just as green as many other tech blogs. Note the gaffs on the Prime testing wrt GPS and BT/wifi coexistence. I do see signs of improvement, however. They came out with a new Mobile Benchmark suite, whatever that means.
>The real issue is that games on Android don't let you pick a resolution for them to run at.
The real issue is that Android is still a nascent OS for tablets. HC was a beta which never took off. ICS was just released. The bulk of Android apps & games are still for handsets.
I have been concerned about this as well. Tegra 3's GPU is fine enough for a 1200x800 tablet, but it's going to be stretched at 1080p (this is nearly the resolution that my desktop runs at!).
I'd love a higher-resolution display, but it's a luxury (well, a tablet itself kinda is already, but even more so). It's not as if 1280x800 is cramped and blocky. I'm happy to wait a bit longer for 1080p tablets to mature and come down in price.
(I'd rather have 2GB RAM, actually.)
Well, perhaps this new release will coincide with a bump in the specs of Tegra 3. By the time the new tablet comes out, I would assume that's been almost half a year.... That's usually about the time span that nvidia would come out with a refresh of a chip design (well, they do this with their desktop GPUs, so not a great comparison, but it's possible?). So in the end perhaps the question of performance will be moot because there will be a faster Tegra 3 and more RAM in the new higher resolution tablets.
Just a thought.
Don't underestimate.
Let's wait a review or test.
Probably the Tegra 3 is more than capable of handling this kind of resolution in terms of playing HD movie, high profile compression, etc.
I saw several tests on current prime, and it has no problem with HD videos.
My only concern is battery life ... that's all.
I expect the 1920x1200 will result worse battery life, unless ASUS pump up the battery capacity or any other improvement.
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Hi all,
I know this article has been floating around here for some time, but this I found rather interesting:
This is kinda the same as with the Prime and the T700/other high-resolution tablets, isn't it? I'm not sure, but it sounds pretty obviously since the Tegra3 GPU isn't very good (yes, it is fine but I'm not sure for those high-res screens?). However I could be completely wrong..
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Don't underestimate.
Let's wait a review or test.
Probably the Tegra 3 is more than capable of handling this kind of resolution in terms of playing HD movie, high profile compression, etc.
I saw several tests on current prime, and it has no problem with HD videos.
My only concern is battery life ... that's all.
I expect the 1920x1200 will result worse battery life, unless ASUS pump up the battery capacity or any other improvement.
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Asus has already stated that battery life will be pretty much the same as the current Prime...So that should equal shorter battery life.I'll stick with my Prime for now.No Need in buying another tablet right now IMO.I'm waiting to see what Samsung brings to the table.
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Well, perhaps this new release will coincide with a bump in the specs of Tegra 3. By the time the new tablet comes out, I would assume that's been almost half a year.... That's usually about the time span that nvidia would come out with a refresh of a chip design (well, they do this with their desktop GPUs, so not a great comparison, but it's possible?). So in the end perhaps the question of performance will be moot because there will be a faster Tegra 3 and more RAM in the new higher resolution tablets.
Just a thought.
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I don't think they can bump the specs within the generation of a chip. The only thing that can happen till then is that Asus finds an economical way to add 2GB memory to the device, Nvidia improves the production capabilities of Tegra 3 and we get a better yield of the chips. The spec increase can only happen from one generation to the next.
I think the performance will be fine. Even the battery life.
Most of the battery usage screen-wise is from the backlight, which will be the same.
Also, not much more power may be used necessarily either, especially if it doesn't end up taxing the Tegra 3 as much as we think it will. As far as we know, our 1200x800 displays may not even be taxing the Tegra 3 that much. If anything, the article shows that the Tegra 3 may be more qualified to handle that high a resolution with little to no performance degradation. There are demos on youtube of a tegra 3 device playing 1440p movies just fine, all while driving a second screen at the same time.
Of course I too don't feel the need for something that high of a resolution on a 10 inch screen, but I'll never really know until I see one in person.
What you think about this new ASUS produce??? Are they much better than PRIME? If you know of any good news about these tablets?
ASUS Transformer Pad 300 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aup6PWKIoGE
ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGPPRhDU7E
You can see produce specification on this link
so it begins...
whats the difference??
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You can see produce specification on this link
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You can also see it here on this thread started a week ago. Both devices were announced at MWC so you're a little late. There's already a discussion thread specifically on the Infinity. Search is and always will be your friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522350
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well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1200 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
I think 700 will have 1920x1200 res
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you right..I edited my post to reflect it.
plus OP I have more videos of these tablets in my thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522707
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well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1080 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
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Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
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Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
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although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant. plus a no brained that flash will dramatically increase picture and video quality. no flash means no nighttime or low light pix at all. having a flash means its possible. especially as more n more people use their tablets cam to take pictures and videos now. the prime takes excellent pictures n videos. very high quality. actually the best of any tablet out.
for the ram, yes the ddr3 is better. but the primes ddr2 is not regular anyway. lpddr2 Ram that's had it speed boosted over the regular ones or previous model. so the increase in speed isn't as dramatic between ddr3 n prime. plus the ram in prime handles everything fine. no issues in handling high quality tegra3 games n such. so it isn't a matter of which sounds more appealing. if we were to go that route overall, prime and Infinity pad is alot more appealing. once again though, who cares. its about price point and what the user wants or decides and has enough to spend.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
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although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
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1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
Now, to reply to the bold txt:
1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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Fair enough. Bit what's determines a device to be premium is what's included in the features and specs. Can't deny prime has more features n specs. Can't deny that the Infinity Pad has more features n specs higher than all of them. So until a cheaper tablet comes out than the 300 from Asus, 300 IS the lowend one. Plus the fact of 300 only available in 16gb version will not be liked by alot. It does have SD card. But will never have as much mAx capacity as infinity pad or prime. Even Asus themselves St MWC and CES advertises the 300 as a lower end device along with the media. Alot here have said so also. The prime isn't the "It" tablet. But its one of the top 2 tablets in Asus line of tablets. With the infinity pad being top model with its HD screen.
Plus I haven't seen anyone say the 300 is what the prime should've been..lmfao. if anything its the infinity pad. Because infinity pad is an upgrade to Prime. 300 is a downgrade to prime. I doubt we will see that many people at all selling prime to get the 300. If anything prime owners might upgrade to tf-700. Hence the word upgrade. Going to lowered featured n spec device IS a downgrade
You have valid points though aside from the 300 being what the prime should've been..lol that.made me laugh. I'm sure all spec comparisons have been made now so we can just let people decide based on what they see, learn, and how much they want to spend..
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1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick. I like to use my tablet on my back porch when it's warm and sunny outside (which is often here in SoCal). I can use my Prime comfortably, whereas my original Transformer was useless. Like you said, it's very much a user preference thing, but if you need to use your tablet in direct sunlight, the Prime as a clear advantage over anything else on the market.
I'll second your comment about the battery: mine absolutely KILLS the battery on IPS+ mode. Burns about 30%/hour, so would last about 3.5 hours total. The good thing is I don't spend that much time in direct sunlight (bad for the skin and all).
I'll note that you also get a benefit when not in direct sunlight but still a more well-lit area. There's a good brightness range between the typical tablet's 400 or so nits and the Prime's 600 or so nits--just turn on IPS+ mode and set the brightness manually.
If the pad 300 and the prime came out at the same time. It would be no doubt that the pad 300 will outsell the prime. As for premium? Cant tell you which one of the two is currently. Pad 300 isnt out yet and the prime surely missed its mark as "primed for perfection." You can say the prime has more to offer, but if Asus cant fix all their problems with the prime. Its not really a premium tablet if you cant even use the tablet without the known issues of the prime.
The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick.
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Whether it's a gimmick or not doesn't matter if it helps Asus sell more tablets. If people don't care, and buy competitors tablets, than Asus inflated their costs for no reason. The keyboard dock was supposed to be a "killer feature" but Asus, Acer, and Motorola are all within a point of market share of each other. So unless Asus would have sold fewer tablets than Motorola and Acer had it not been for the keyboard, you could debate whether or not the "feature" mattered enough to move the needle. Are Sense, TW, and MotoBlur "gimmicks" and do people really choose one phone over another seeking a specific overlay out? Sense is the "coolest" but the SGS2 outsold the Sensation 4:1. And a lot of you don't like SAMOLED because of the exaggerated colors but voting with their wallets the general populous seems to disagree. Some features (gimmicks) resonate, and others are just meh.
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The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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We see three tablets and are deeply analyzing their differences. The public and Asus see three 10.1" ICS/Teg3 tablets at three different price points. As long as Asus feels it's wise to offer $399, $499, and $599 tablets, they will. If it's too many, or resellers ***** at carrying nine different 10.1” Asus tablets and corresponding docks, they won't. And how they get to $399, $499, and $599 tomorrow may not look anything like it does today. They could kill a price point completely or narrow the devices they need to produce to two by up or down contenting an existing model. Asus doesn’t need to produce three distinct devices in order to offer three different base price points. They'll go with whatever sells the most tablets and costs the least to do it. We're passionate about devices, to manufacturers and resellers they're just SKU's.
And riddle me this? If the TF200, TF300, and TF700 all overlapped in development, why isn't the Prime the TF300 and vice versa?
P.S. - I'm just using your quote junrider, this isn't directed at you or anyone in particular.
Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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exact same aluminum backing is used on the TF-700 aka infinity pad also. except it has a plastic strip that runs across the top of back. which degrades look of device but said to improve wireless performance.
only the 300 uses all plastic back.
So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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so far the word is every device will have its own dock. meaning each device has to use its own matching dock.
If I'm interpreting Asus/using my eyes correctly, the backs on the Prime and Infinity are identical except the small strip of plastic at the top of the Infinity, right? I don't know where the "plastic back of the Infinity will be less durable" is coming from?
That aside, will the Infinity have DDR3 RAM or DDR2 like the Prime?
Dang sucks because I did finally get the dock but I guess together prime (32GB)+dock might fetch 550$?
Or just give this to my dad and buy the infinity.
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Debating: I want to order the current Transformer Prime right now. It has a Tegra 3 QUAD-core processor, 1280 x 800 res. 500$
OR wait for June and get the Transformer Prime 700 w/ S4 Snapdragon DUAL core, 1920 x 1200 res, w/ slightyly better front camera and 100$ more-- comes out in june. 600$
Help me out here... What do you think?
I REALLY want to use Tegra Zone, and i think the original Prime is better looking. The one thing that is keeping me debating is the resolution... Do you guys think it will be a GREATLY noticeable difference?
Also, how's the wifi? Like I understand it might be slightly weak, but is this issue exaggerated?
THANKS!
I would and did go with the Prime. I read somewhere that when the ipad2 came out they said that any resoulution higher than that (about our resoulution) has an undetectible difference to the human eye. Also my wifi isn't great but it doesn't suck either I get signal everywhere in my house and it is pretty big (sorry I don't know the square footage).
Hope that this helps.
Also I love the Tegra 3 it is pretty sweet. I have a dual core snapdragon phone and almost every other phone out performs it. tegra, omap, hummingbird, and dare I say it apple A5. Just saying that I don't like the snapdragon nearly as much as the performance of the tegra.
June? Haha, don't think that is going to happen...
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I would and did go with the Prime. I read somewhere that when the ipad2 came out they said that any resoulution higher than that (about our resoulution) has an undetectible difference to the human eye.
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This is not true. The difference between the new iPad and TF201's screen is clearly visible. People who say it doesn't either have bad eye's or just don't want to admit it. The TF700 wil have a familiar screen as the new iPad (little lower res, but much higher then the TF201) so the difference should be clearly visible. Not with games or pictures but when you're reading a text page like on XDA it is pretty amazing, almost like a book.
I don't say the 1280x800 is bad, but the 1920x1200 (or new iPad's screen) will blow you away when you see it.
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This is not true. The difference between the new iPad and TF201's screen are clearly visible. People who say it doesn't either have bad eye's or just don't want to admit it. The TF700 wil have a familiar screen as the new iPad (little lower res, but much higher then the TF201) so the difference should be clearly visible. Not with games or pictures but when you're reading a text page like on XDA it is pretty amazing, almost like a book.
I don't say the 1280x800 is bad, but the 1920x1200 (or new iPad's screen) will blow you away when you see it.
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Agreed. Unless far sighted and do not wear glasses, the new iPad makes all current lower res displays look grainy. As far as the 700, I doubt it will ship in June, since seems no way the Tegra 3 can handle 1080p efficiently. Seems will need a chipset designed to handle the higher res.
Anandtech talks about power efficiency of new generation chips and mentions how the nexus 10 gets throttled down in high stress graph8c situations. Heres the specific page, at the bottom. And the article really shows just how much the cortex consumes in power, much, much more than other chipsets.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/13
One of the most misleading articles I've ever read on Anandtech, that. It's full of interesting info, but ultimately there are few conclusions you can really draw other than that the 5250 has a very high TDP!
A lot of graphs show total power consumption when running a given benchmark/task, and then use this data to make assumptions on architecture/chipset performance. Even ignoring the "total device power draw" graphs (the N10 screen will suck MUCH more power than the crappy 1366x768 panels in the other tablets tested) and sticking purely to the CPU/GPU power draw comparison graphs, it must be considered that these devices are running a COMPLETELY different software stack!
This is like drawing comparisons on tyre grip when tyre A has been tested on tarmac, fitted to a 2 ton Bentley, with ambient temps of 40C and tyre B on snow, fitted to a 500kg caterham and in -20C ambient: There is simply too much different to even try and perform any kind of comparison between them. All you can do is look at the test results in isolation.
Agreed total power is way affected by the N10's screen, but at least it gives people an answer as to why they are getting slow down in games like NFS:MW
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Agreed total power is way affected by the N10's screen, but at least it gives people an answer as to why they are getting slow down in games like NFS:MW
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Except for the people who aren't getting any slowdowns in NFS:MW on the N10, myself being one of them.
So, no, it doesn't provide a conclusive answer for that, either.
What it does is provide another data point
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Except for the people who aren't getting any slowdowns in NFS:MW on the N10, myself being one of them
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I'd have to see it to believe it at this point. Can you actually distinguish when FPS changes occur (no offense or anything like that; I know someone who claims a game ran "smoothly" to them, and I can see framerate jumping all over the place, and not even being that high to start with)?
Perhaps you have a decent camera (60 FPS recording preferred) where you can show proof of such? And also are you using a custom kernel or ROM?
I've noticed that the ambient temperature in the room influences thermal throttling. If I'm sitting in a room with a jacket on and it's 65F/18C then I don't have throttling issues like when I'm sitting near the fireplace and the ambient temperature is around 80F/27C. Maybe that's obvious but just bringing it up as a possible reason why some people may not see throttling during hard gaming. I definitely see throttling playing Critical Strike Portable (Multiplayer online), and I don't remember seeing that on the N7. I still use the N10 for gaming though because the screen is so nice, I just cringe every time I see some throttling.
I changed my thermal throttle limit to 90, had no problems so far
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Pretty good write up..
One thing I find really interesting were those insanely low GPU consumption numbers by the N10 during the sun spider, kraken, etc test. The article didn't mention it (surprised), but there's two pieces of tech in the Exynos5 that are somewhat related to that:
PSR mode may be showing it's face in browser benchmarks, which cuts a lot of power when the screen is on a static image.
And OpenCL support. Which doesn't look like it's being utilized here, as GPU power consumption would probably be higher, but should bring total power consumption down by using the GPU cores to help out in task processing, similar to CUDA. I'd love to see this implemented since our SoC supports it.
do you guys think this tablet will have the GRID support? considering the nvidia built cpu and gpu?
Old post to answer but from what I've read, probably not.
Google has limited OpenGL on the N9 unlike the Shield.
One other thing to remember is the N9 does not have a heat sink to aide heat migration away from CPU/GPU so heat build up is a issue after a good length of time on the N9.
I can play half life on Shield until end of game without heat building up on back side so bad I'd comment on it, where as on N9 I doubt you can do the same.
Clearly Google didn't have gaming in mind with the N9, but more so regular media consumption like web an movies IMHO.
Trade offs, a guy almost needs both tablets
Ftr, I tossed an turned which tablet to buy a good many days but settled on local instant satisfaction as Shield LTE was in stock an a fair bit cheaper but with maybe more options.
I still want a LTE N9, but for regular usage, not gaming.
YMMV.
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