What you think about this new ASUS produce??? Are they much better than PRIME? If you know of any good news about these tablets?
ASUS Transformer Pad 300 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aup6PWKIoGE
ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGPPRhDU7E
You can see produce specification on this link
so it begins...
whats the difference??
Pegaz-7 said:
You can see produce specification on this link
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You can also see it here on this thread started a week ago. Both devices were announced at MWC so you're a little late. There's already a discussion thread specifically on the Infinity. Search is and always will be your friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522350
the2rrell said:
whats the difference??
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well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1200 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
I think 700 will have 1920x1200 res
aznmode said:
I think 700 will have 1920x1200 res
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you right..I edited my post to reflect it.
plus OP I have more videos of these tablets in my thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522707
demandarin said:
well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1080 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
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Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
shinzz said:
Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
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although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant. plus a no brained that flash will dramatically increase picture and video quality. no flash means no nighttime or low light pix at all. having a flash means its possible. especially as more n more people use their tablets cam to take pictures and videos now. the prime takes excellent pictures n videos. very high quality. actually the best of any tablet out.
for the ram, yes the ddr3 is better. but the primes ddr2 is not regular anyway. lpddr2 Ram that's had it speed boosted over the regular ones or previous model. so the increase in speed isn't as dramatic between ddr3 n prime. plus the ram in prime handles everything fine. no issues in handling high quality tegra3 games n such. so it isn't a matter of which sounds more appealing. if we were to go that route overall, prime and Infinity pad is alot more appealing. once again though, who cares. its about price point and what the user wants or decides and has enough to spend.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
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although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
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1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
Now, to reply to the bold txt:
1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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Fair enough. Bit what's determines a device to be premium is what's included in the features and specs. Can't deny prime has more features n specs. Can't deny that the Infinity Pad has more features n specs higher than all of them. So until a cheaper tablet comes out than the 300 from Asus, 300 IS the lowend one. Plus the fact of 300 only available in 16gb version will not be liked by alot. It does have SD card. But will never have as much mAx capacity as infinity pad or prime. Even Asus themselves St MWC and CES advertises the 300 as a lower end device along with the media. Alot here have said so also. The prime isn't the "It" tablet. But its one of the top 2 tablets in Asus line of tablets. With the infinity pad being top model with its HD screen.
Plus I haven't seen anyone say the 300 is what the prime should've been..lmfao. if anything its the infinity pad. Because infinity pad is an upgrade to Prime. 300 is a downgrade to prime. I doubt we will see that many people at all selling prime to get the 300. If anything prime owners might upgrade to tf-700. Hence the word upgrade. Going to lowered featured n spec device IS a downgrade
You have valid points though aside from the 300 being what the prime should've been..lol that.made me laugh. I'm sure all spec comparisons have been made now so we can just let people decide based on what they see, learn, and how much they want to spend..
shinzz said:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick. I like to use my tablet on my back porch when it's warm and sunny outside (which is often here in SoCal). I can use my Prime comfortably, whereas my original Transformer was useless. Like you said, it's very much a user preference thing, but if you need to use your tablet in direct sunlight, the Prime as a clear advantage over anything else on the market.
I'll second your comment about the battery: mine absolutely KILLS the battery on IPS+ mode. Burns about 30%/hour, so would last about 3.5 hours total. The good thing is I don't spend that much time in direct sunlight (bad for the skin and all).
I'll note that you also get a benefit when not in direct sunlight but still a more well-lit area. There's a good brightness range between the typical tablet's 400 or so nits and the Prime's 600 or so nits--just turn on IPS+ mode and set the brightness manually.
If the pad 300 and the prime came out at the same time. It would be no doubt that the pad 300 will outsell the prime. As for premium? Cant tell you which one of the two is currently. Pad 300 isnt out yet and the prime surely missed its mark as "primed for perfection." You can say the prime has more to offer, but if Asus cant fix all their problems with the prime. Its not really a premium tablet if you cant even use the tablet without the known issues of the prime.
The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick.
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Whether it's a gimmick or not doesn't matter if it helps Asus sell more tablets. If people don't care, and buy competitors tablets, than Asus inflated their costs for no reason. The keyboard dock was supposed to be a "killer feature" but Asus, Acer, and Motorola are all within a point of market share of each other. So unless Asus would have sold fewer tablets than Motorola and Acer had it not been for the keyboard, you could debate whether or not the "feature" mattered enough to move the needle. Are Sense, TW, and MotoBlur "gimmicks" and do people really choose one phone over another seeking a specific overlay out? Sense is the "coolest" but the SGS2 outsold the Sensation 4:1. And a lot of you don't like SAMOLED because of the exaggerated colors but voting with their wallets the general populous seems to disagree. Some features (gimmicks) resonate, and others are just meh.
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The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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We see three tablets and are deeply analyzing their differences. The public and Asus see three 10.1" ICS/Teg3 tablets at three different price points. As long as Asus feels it's wise to offer $399, $499, and $599 tablets, they will. If it's too many, or resellers ***** at carrying nine different 10.1” Asus tablets and corresponding docks, they won't. And how they get to $399, $499, and $599 tomorrow may not look anything like it does today. They could kill a price point completely or narrow the devices they need to produce to two by up or down contenting an existing model. Asus doesn’t need to produce three distinct devices in order to offer three different base price points. They'll go with whatever sells the most tablets and costs the least to do it. We're passionate about devices, to manufacturers and resellers they're just SKU's.
And riddle me this? If the TF200, TF300, and TF700 all overlapped in development, why isn't the Prime the TF300 and vice versa?
P.S. - I'm just using your quote junrider, this isn't directed at you or anyone in particular.
Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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exact same aluminum backing is used on the TF-700 aka infinity pad also. except it has a plastic strip that runs across the top of back. which degrades look of device but said to improve wireless performance.
only the 300 uses all plastic back.
So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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so far the word is every device will have its own dock. meaning each device has to use its own matching dock.
If I'm interpreting Asus/using my eyes correctly, the backs on the Prime and Infinity are identical except the small strip of plastic at the top of the Infinity, right? I don't know where the "plastic back of the Infinity will be less durable" is coming from?
That aside, will the Infinity have DDR3 RAM or DDR2 like the Prime?
Dang sucks because I did finally get the dock but I guess together prime (32GB)+dock might fetch 550$?
Or just give this to my dad and buy the infinity.
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While sitting around waiting on a prime to actually (maybe never?) arrive, I hesitate slightly at the thought of the full HD becoming the standard resolution on tablets soon. Partly this seems silly to me as the storage capacities on tablets hardly seem up to the task of holding files for that resolution, and streaming options for full hd stuff is pretty limited currently.
So a few thoughts:
Anyone with a prime even feel any lack in the current resolution? I read no indication of such, and wonder if it will even be very noticeable side by side with a full HD tab
If it was magically 1900x1200ish now, what use would that serve for you?
A lot of people's first inclination is to question how well a tablet would perform at that resolution, but I'm confident it will be decent or manufacturers wouldn't be jumping at the idea of doing it.
Please see these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411063
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20842748&postcount=20
Higher resolution tablets probably perform much "worse" than the Prime at least not as good
The only case I would want higher resolution screen is for web browsing, especially in portrait orientation where 720 pixel wide is not enough to have a clear reading experience.
Other than that I could not care less. 1080p video is a non sense on a tablet right now cause if you want a full quality movie at this definition you need a files of 11gb wich is a pain to find and take wait to much space. Anything below that, or streamed, isn't better than the quality of a good 720p movie of 4gb.
In games I wish the extra power could be use to make games look good with bigger environnement rather than pushing more pixel.
3D game still looks awfull on mobile due to the lack of good lightning effect (Glowball on Tegra3 is promising in this regard compare to the A5 but I'm guessing A6 will provide those too)
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While sitting around waiting on a prime to actually (maybe never?) arrive, I hesitate slightly at the thought of the full HD becoming the standard resolution on tablets soon. Partly this seems silly to me as the storage capacities on tablets hardly seem up to the task of holding files for that resolution, and streaming options for full hd stuff is pretty limited currently.
So a few thoughts:
Anyone with a prime even feel any lack in the current resolution? I read no indication of such, and wonder if it will even be very noticeable side by side with a full HD tab
If it was magically 1900x1200ish now, what use would that serve for you?
A lot of people's first inclination is to question how well a tablet would perform at that resolution, but I'm confident it will be decent or manufacturers wouldn't be jumping at the idea of doing it.
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It's a heated debate. The higher the PPI, the clearer everything displayed will be - especially text. It would also be able to display full 1080P. So if that's something you consider either good or important then a higher res screen's for you.
Those saying what the Prime has is good enough use two arguments. 1) The higher res will mean a performance hit and, 2) it will mean poor battery life.
Tablets with higher res screens so far all have been leaked to have 2GB of RAM. For all we know, the extra GB could be intended for graphics acceleration. As for battery life, a leak came out today about the tech Sharp is using for the iPad3. It's IGZO and has over 300PPI plus it's 30% more energy efficient. Sharp just converted a huge TV panel factory to produce phone and tablet displays and they're already supplying screens to all the big manufacturers. So if the tech is production ready enough for the iPad3 you could see it on more devices in the near future. I'm sure there will be some announcements at CES.
So let the debate rage on...
http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-reportedly-using-new-display-tech-for-ipad-3/
https://www.semiconportal.com/en/archive/news/main-news/sharp-to-introduce-new-igzo-te.html
If I'm not mistaken, these high-res panels are also in short supply. If that's true, then their price will be much higher. Short supply + high demand = higher prices. Simple economics. I'm also pretty sure that the 2GB RAM on the Android tablets is to accommodate a larger frame buffer, and the iPad 3 will have to have 1GB RAM over its current 512MB.
All that means significantly higher prices. I don't expect any of these higher-res and higher-RAM tablets rumored to come out to be anywhere near the price of the Prime. I think the iPad 3 will be significantly more expensive and the iPad 2 will remain as a "lower-price" option (and won't go any lower in price than the Prime at 32GB, or the OG Transformer at 16GB). The Android tablets will be priced at $599 or more for 32GB, and there will remain Prime-equivalent devices at $499 or less. Hell, if Samsung/Motorola/HTC come out with high-res versions, they'll probably be $899.
For me, $499 is the max I want to spend on a tablet by itself, and I'm also not terribly sure that I'd want a tablet without the ASUS keyboard dock concept. I sure wouldn't pay $599 for a Tegra 3-based tablet with 1900X1200 pixels to push--SOMETHING has to give performance-wise. And I also like the extra brightness of the IPS+ screen more than I want higher resolution.
So, in short, the Prime's resolution is fine for me. And the screen is just luscious--bright and with uncanny viewing angles. Could it be a bit higher-res, to make text a little sharper maybe? Sure, but I wouldn't want it so badly that I'd be willing to put up with lower performance.
I'm completely satisfied with Prime display. I thought my Ipad had a great display but the Prime shows its display is clearly the best out of any tablet today in the market. major reviewers said so also like Engadget and Anandtech. Prime display is even better than ipad 2. prime has more PPI than it. plus prime has the highest contrast ratio of any tablet and the brightest. plus the viewing angles on this device is sick! lol. everything looks great to me on the display. especially when I recorded 1081p video using the rear camera. I was amazed at the quality and detail of video and display. I think Tegra3 has hit the sweet spot/optimal spot with the Prime and its resolution. we get great performance and a great display with atatanding battery life. Prime has set the new standard and set the bar high for next generation tablets to compete at.
My personal opinion on this:
Prime's screen is totally perfect
Higher resolution will have some impacts which are:
You need better/brighter backlights to compensate the additional pixels
You have heaver battery drain due to more pixels
You need a better GPU (not only more RAM) to push all those pixels (not to talk about those crazy 2K and 4K screens)
Text is easier to read on 720p/1080p displays
I wouldn't see a difference between a 720p and a 1080p display in that size playing a movie
In order to use those screens for 1080p movies you'll need more than 32GB of memory (an average Bluray 1080p rip has about 10-15GB )
Those are my initial thoughts on that topic...
Conclusion: In my opinion 1080p screens are not worth the effort yet.
I think the notion of Full HD 1080p on a 10.1" tablet is all marketing talk.
Not only is it a waste as far as video playback goes not being able to see the detail in the HD given the small screen, it will also tax the device's processor trying to render everything to 1920x1080, I can see a desktop PC dual core CPU having no problem with, but a low-powered ARM CPU.
Notice most 1080p laptops aren't smaller than 15".
To me its about app compatibility.
As it is Android already has WAY less tablet apps than iOS- Android tablets are a secondary development platform. That means that High-Res Android tablets will be (at best) the third tablet development platform, which means not great support.
I have the same issue with the GNex. Sure a 720p screen in a phone is nice, but MANY MANY Android apps are made for WXGA. Some don't even fill the full screen at 720p, or their interface breaks down. Due to how few phones have 720ps screens initially by the time the app market is full of apps ready for 720p the GNex will be obsolete hardware.
Whoever buys these high-res Android devices is taking the hit for all of us. By being an early adopter these people will literally feel every growing pain of the Android market as it catches up to high-res screens.
Meanwhile I am trying to get on what I call a "Low PPI Plateau." Between my SGS2 and a Transformer Prime I will have the two most common Android resolutions with hardware meant to maximize those resolutions.
By the time I am ready to leave my Low PPI Plateau not only will the hardware will have caught up to high-res needs, but also the market will be full of compatible apps.
1080p and above screens on a panel that is ~10" will show modest improvements in clarity, moreso with text, but even then it's very marginal for the cost, battery, and performance hit those tablets are going to take.
hell, i have a 27" 1080p monitor and a second 1280x1024 17" secondary monitor and even that that size, the quality of the two screens are very similar.
i feel like 80% of the whole high res panel is just marketing and of course once apple increases their screen res, everyone and their mother NEEDS to have the highest resolution screen that can be pumped out and charged on to their credit cards.
kokusho said:
The only case I would want higher resolution screen is for web browsing, especially in portrait orientation where 720 pixel wide is not enough to have a clear reading experience.
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It's 800, not 720. For me more problem is tiny letters than resolution while reading websites portrait on 800x1280 resolution.
Full HD resolution would be great for connecting to TV - you would have no rescaling then.
Best Resolution for Tablet
The TFP screen is about 1M pixels, and a full 1080p screen is over 2M pixels. So a processor would have to work 2x as hard to move the 1080p screen around as those in a 720p screen, roughly. That would show up as slowth, somewhere, or heat, or something. So you'd want to get some goodness out of that - it looked better,etc.
People are different. Some see like hawks, others with less resolution. Some people will have trouble seeing the difference between 720p and 1080p, at distance, whereas others will see a marked difference. I'm on the 720p is OK end of that spectrum.
I have noticed, that when lying in bed, that my tablet at viewing distance subtends about the same angle as the HD TV on the other side of the room. So, aside from focusing my eyes, 720p is pretty good for both.
As for the new Tegra3 tablets coming out, I'd rather have the power show up as frame rate, or image manipulation speed, or extra application processor cycles. I'm quite happy with the design center of the TFP, screenwise.
Goodness, this discussion again.
1) Let's hold off on making comments with an air of certitude about hypothetical products we know close to nothing about. OP, if you really want to know what the impact of a higher resolution screen is on the performance and battery life of a tablet, I suggest you wait until those products actually come into existence and feedback (from reviewers and consumers) on them actually exists. Sitting here making comments about how higher resolution is for sure going to kill performance and battery life is ridiculous. Tablet makers are not idiotic, of course they are going to bump up other specs in order to compensate; it's how tech always works. Companies always come out with some crazy spec and people wonder "can they really pull that off?" and a lot of times they do. It's the nature of tech. What would be appropriate to say is "I'm concerned about the challenge that higher resolution will present to battery life and performance". That's reasonable. It's not reasonable to instantly dismiss the challenge as impossible. I would suggest that these tablet makers are going to at least be aware of the challenges and try to meet them. See? I'm not going to guarantee one way or another what the ultimate outcome will be.
2) If 2nd gen tablets in 2012 manage to incorporate higher resolution without impacting battery life or performance, could that at all be a bad thing? The negativity in this thread about higher resolution is centered on the hypothetical side effects. But by itself, could higher resolution be possibly perceived as a bad thing? I'm not talking about the degree by which it is an improvement over what we already have (as everyone has their own opinion on how much of a difference a higher resolution display will have), I'm talking about purely if it's "better" or "worse". As to that, I don't understand how any logical person could say that higher resolution (in and of itself) is worse than what we currently have.
Cliffs notes: if you want to see how these high res tablets are going to be, wait till you can actually see what they actually will be. Sounds lame? Yeah. But true. Hypothetical discussions are fun and all, but they aren't anything you should make your decisions on. I would have gotten the Prime if I based my decision on the hypothetical discussions that I got myself all hyped over. For me, the real world Prime did not live up to the hypothetical Prime I really wanted. What it all boils down to is what the real world end product is, and that's what you should make a decision on.
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Goodness, this discussion again.
1) Let's hold off on making comments with an air of certitude about hypothetical products we know close to nothing about. OP, if you really want to know what the impact of a higher resolution screen is on the performance and battery life of a tablet, I suggest you wait until those products actually come into existence and feedback (from reviewers and consumers) on them actually exists. Sitting here making comments about how higher resolution is for sure going to kill performance and battery life is ridiculous. Tablet makers are not idiotic, of course they are going to bump up other specs in order to compensate; it's how tech always works. Companies always come out with some crazy spec and people wonder "can they really pull that off?" and a lot of times they do. It's the nature of tech. What would be appropriate to say is "I'm concerned about the challenge that higher resolution will present to battery life and performance". That's reasonable. It's not reasonable to instantly dismiss the challenge as impossible. I would suggest that these tablet makers are going to at least be aware of the challenges and try to meet them. See? I'm not going to guarantee one way or another what the ultimate outcome will be.
2) If 2nd gen tablets in 2012 manage to incorporate higher resolution without impacting battery life or performance, could that at all be a bad thing? The negativity in this thread about higher resolution is centered on the hypothetical side effects. But by itself, could higher resolution be possibly perceived as a bad thing? I'm not talking about the degree by which it is an improvement over what we already have (as everyone has their own opinion on how much of a difference a higher resolution display will have), I'm talking about purely if it's "better" or "worse". As to that, I don't understand how any logical person could say that higher resolution (in and of itself) is worse than what we currently have.
Cliffs notes: if you want to see how these high res tablets are going to be, wait till you can actually see what they actually will be. Sounds lame? Yeah. But true. Hypothetical discussions are fun and all, but they aren't anything you should make your decisions on. I would have gotten the Prime if I based my decision on the hypothetical discussions that I got myself all hyped over. For me, the real world Prime did not live up to the hypothetical Prime I really wanted. What it all boils down to is what the real world end product is, and that's what you should make a decision on.
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You're right. But it will going to be a huge impact for the processor, it is more then 2 times as much pixels the CPU/GPU will need to handle. It is just as with Windows; my old PC worked fine in games on a 1280x1024 screen but with 1920x1080 (around 1.7 as much pixels) it just couldn't handle it anymore. So i'm not sure if the Tegra3 is going to handle that, the GPU in it just isn't really good. It does its job at 1280x800, but I'm really concerned how that is gonna be on 1920x1200; are they gonna scale games back? If that would be the case they could just as well use the cheaper 1280x800 panel and let $100 off the price.
However this is all speculation I think it is gonna be this way.
Also I wouldn't want to have either a Acer or Lenovo product; Acer's build quality and support is just very bad (23,3% of their portable products are defect within 2 years in Europe) and for Lenovo I'm really wondering if they even going to give their tablets updates, also the price will be pretty high I guess, also pretty high defect rate as seen below.
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Higher resolution tablets would be nice, provided that they have the hardware to push that many pixels without slowdown. I'm all for high DPI, and I'm disappointed that we rarely get high densities on desktop monitors.
However, I don't think that a display resolution higher than 1280x800 would really add to the use-case of a tablet. It's not going to allow you to do things you couldn't otherwise do, and the DPI is already acceptably high to display plenty of information on screen. Higher DPI would allow for crisper graphics and text, which I'd definitely like to have, but it's already good enough that it becomes a "nice to have" feature rather than any kind of "must-have" for me.
I don't imagine that these putative high-DPI tablets will have a keyboard dock accessory like the Prime, and, for me, that's a "must-have".
>If I'm not mistaken, these high-res panels are also in short supply. If that's true, then their price will be much higher.
As yields get better over time, price will come down. So cost is a function of time. You're probably right for the initial crop, although I'd quibble over the "much higher" amount. Pricing constraints exist.
Much depends on pricing of 2012 iPad(s), since iPad pricing is literally the reference price for the rest of the tablet market. Apple didn't raise pricing for the iPhone 4 or iPod Touch when those got the Retina Display. From this, the guess is that the iPad $500 benchmark price will still apply for base 2012 model.
If the iPad3 has 2048x1536 res and is $500, Android vendors can't sell their tablets for lower res (1920x1200) at a higher price.
Low-end 10" Android tablets in 2012 will be around USD$350. That's the current price for the Xoom Family (down-specced Xoom), and announced price for the Acer A200 (down-specced A500). Then, there's enough room ($150) to shoehorn in a hi-res display, even if you have to cut corners elsewhere.
That said, Acer & others probably don't care much about the Android tablet market, given its lackluster market reception thus far. PC vendors--Acers/Asus/Dell/HP/et al--will be concentrating on Win8 tablets, since that has a huge existing userbase. Secondly, Win8 tabs aren't as constrained by iPad pricing, as they can do more, eg content creation.
>$499 is the max I want to spend on a tablet by itself
Yes, $500 has become the reference price for most consumers. That comes from the iPad pricing. I'd limit this mindset to "content-consumption" tablets, ie iOS and Android currently.
>Prime's screen is totally perfect
A widget is "perfect" until a better/faster widget comes along. As Jobs has succinctly stated, consumers don't know what they want until they see it.
>You need a better GPU
Teg3 can already run 1080p movies, which place a much higher demand on system resources than pushing around pixels on a UI. If the OS is sluggish, then it's an OS problem, which is the case for HC.
>You have heaver battery drain due to more pixels
This may be true. From the Russian rumor, the Acer A700 has a 10Ah battery, whereas the Prime's battery is 7.4V, 3.38Ah. I'm assuming the voltage for the Acer is 3.7V. Then, the A700 has a 37Wh vs the Prime's 25Wh batt, or roughly 50% more capacity.
>Notice most 1080p laptops aren't smaller than 15"
Tablets are held closer to your eyes, hence they can use higher res. Tablets are also used as e-readers; higher res = sharper text = less eye fatigue.
>To me its about app compatibility.
Android is already awashed with many different screen res. That's why the big emphasis in ICS for res-independent apps.
>The negativity in this thread about higher resolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias
JoeyLe said:
You're right. But it will going to be a huge impact for the processor, it is more then 2 times as much pixels the CPU/GPU will need to handle. It is just as with Windows; my old PC worked fine in games on a 1280x1024 screen but with 1920x1080 (around 1.7 as much pixels) it just couldn't handle it anymore. So i'm not sure if the Tegra3 is going to handle that, the GPU in it just isn't really good. It does its job at 1280x800, but I'm really concerned how that is gonna be on 1920x1200; are they gonna scale games back? If that would be the case they could just as well use the cheaper 1280x800 panel and let $100 off the price.
However this is all speculation I think it is gonna be this way.
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You're fine to say you're afraid it might be that way. It's the people saying with absolute certainty that it will be that way that are out of line.
Personally, I'm not too excited for this Acer or Lenovo tablet either. If they're rocking the same GPU the Prime has, I'm probably not buying either. My ultimate interest is in what Samsung comes out with in 2012. I just like their approach. And I have a feeling they are going to come out with killer specs based on early information. If anyone can pull off higher resolution (and the rumored resolution is VERY high), I think it would be a company with the size of Samsung. And as I said before, I'm going to wait to see how it actually performs before I judge it.
Of course I would want a higher resolution screen, provided the tablet still performs decently. I mean... who wouldn't?
I think a lot of this discussion centers around people trying to justify their current Prime purchase, instead of waiting for the next greatest thing. The tablets that come out next year will probably be better than the Prime, in many aspects. Including beautiful high resolution screens where no pixel is discernable. Of course I would love one. But my Prime is suiting me well right now, and I don't *need* a higher resolution screen. And I don't want to play the waiting game for another tablet, because I needed one right now. That's that.
Guess we'll see!
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Of course I would want a higher resolution screen, provided the tablet still performs decently. I mean... who wouldn't?
I think a lot of this discussion centers around people trying to justify their current Prime purchase, instead of waiting for the next greatest thing. The tablets that come out next year will probably be better than the Prime, in many aspects. Including beautiful high resolution screens where no pixel is discernable. Of course I would love one. But my Prime is suiting me well right now, and I don't *need* a higher resolution screen. And I don't want to play the waiting game for another tablet, because I needed one right now. That's that.
Guess we'll see!
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To see no pixel at 10.1" the average person would need far more then 1920x1200. This "only" gives a DPI of 224.17. 1280x800 gives 149.45. The iPad 1 and 2 have 131.96. (The higher the better). A average person can't see the pixels at a DPI of 320.
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I love stats and don't consider myself either a fan or a detractor of Asus. But what you posted isn't relevant unless we're having a conversation specifically about laptops. Desktops, mobos, and tablet results could be very different and are most likely produced in different facilities. Also, there's no timeframe on your chart and one or two bad product launches (Asus' or others) can skew the results tremendously. Nice chart though.
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tbns said:
Of course I would want a higher resolution screen, provided the tablet still performs decently. I mean... who wouldn't?
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It's human nature to defend your choices and purchases. Right up until the time you don't.
I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
Can you actually see the pixel difference on a 1920x1200 screen over the primes?
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I've counted them (the pixels) and the difference is that the count took two times as long!
But seriously, there is a point when it would be hard to see a difference, where more pixels would NOT really make a clearer screen.
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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Wordlywisewiz said:
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I am sorry that you are having problems with the Prime. However nothing you have said is actually relevant to the conversation that this thread was started with. Please try to keep on-topic, there are plenty of other threads where you can discus your tablet problems.
With regards to pixel density... it very much depends on how you use your Prime. If you read a lot on the Prime and have noticed pixelation in small text, then yes, upping the pixel density would improve your tablet experience. If you mainly watch videos then you probably won't notice the extra pixels on the size of screen that the Prime has.
The exact same debate took place when 1080P TV's came out. People that already bought 720P used the same defenses as to why 1080P TV's are overkill. 80% of high-def TV's sold last year were 1080P. Does anyone not think Apple's going to spend a gazillion dollars convincing the world life as we know will end if you don't have a retina (HD) display? Asus, Acer, and Samsung aren't introducing HD displays because it's practical, it's to combat Apple. How many of you expect your next phone to be qHD or 720P? And its only got a 4-5" display. Whether you personally care or not, tablets with HD displays are going to become the norm (potentially impacting the resale value of those that don't have it).
Wordlywisewiz said:
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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How is 1920x1200 = 2k?
And because the prime has that resolution doesn't mean there will be a lot of content using the extra 120 pixels lol.
it will be 1080p content with black bars on top and bottom, no difference in file sizes at all.
I guess it depends. In my opinion its all about what you're used to. For example, i'm used to gaming on a PC. There you use Anti-Aliasing on the games in 1080p, so i'm used to perfectly sharp images without any jagged edges. If I see the same games on a Xbox i always think the graphics are horrible, while most people think there are some amazing looking games on the xbox...
And i used to play Tomb Raider 1 on my old PC in 320x240 on a 15" CRT monitor. That was bad dpi. I still enjoyed it very much
So atm i have a 27" PC/TV combo monitor with 1080p. Thats what my eyes are used to. So my prime looks sharper to me than my PC monitor, and i think my PC monitor is more than sharp enough i hope you see now where i'm getting. I also cant tell the difference in dpi from my 800x480 4.3" phone to the iphone display...
What i'm trying to say, no one needs that kind of resolution. Its just nice to have, and once you got used to it, you probably dont wanna go back. All things aside, I think the Prime's screen is absolutely beautiful.
So if I had to compare 2 devices with different resolution the one very sharp, the other very very sharp I would look on all the other features first.
For example if the TF700T would have like 1 hour less battery life and would be heavier i'd still go for the Prime.
If we're talking RUMOURED ipad 3 resolution, well just think about this. Watching movies in that resolution (you first had to get them somehow, as far as i know all movies are max 1920x1080 today?) would be pretty sharp right. But because of a screen format that hasnt been used anymore since 10 years you will only be using a very small part of that screen to actually watch that movie.
Now everyone has to decide for themselfs, but for me there are FAR FAR more important features than resolution (especially if the difference is barely visable for me).
But people have spent huge amount of money on unuseful tech for lesser reasons
Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Well, it won't have the exact same GPU, and the iPad 2 has a pretty ridiculously powerful PowerVR GPU. However I question Apple's choice to use GPUs that tend to focus on polygon performance instead of fill rate performance particularly when they're looking to dramatically increase screen resolution.
Apple is running out of things to say is best with the iPad / iPhone short of gimmicks like Siri and "retina" displays. They're going to pay for it in other areas though, they're going to need to have a GPU with a killer fill rate, and though the current SGX543MP2 can probably manage, doubtless they'll cram something that eats even more power into the iPad 3.
The thing that most Apple users don't know is that most of the tablet apps they'll be buying off the market won't make use of the high resolution or the processor, as the majority will have been built to run on the now-comparatively-pathetic iPad 1. At least we're seeing THD apps that make use of the additional processing power our tablets have to offer. I've yet to hear of Apple app developers doing the same, though I assume it'll have to happen at some point.
And finally, to answer the question of the OP, I highly doubt there will be any noticeable difference at the distance most of us hold a tablet. It's a little different for the iPhone; with a 3.5 inch screen you have to hold it a lot closer if you're reading text because it's that much smaller. Comparing smartphone display resolution to tablet display resolution is rather pointless as we hold them at different distances from our face depending upon the size of the display and the text / images on the screen.
Holding my TFP at its general 2-foot viewing distance, I'm hard pressed to make out any individual pixels, and my vision is 20/20. I won't be trading in my TFP for an iPad because of of difference in pixel density I may never even notice!
ickkii said:
I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
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I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
Of course you can... but who cares?
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pdanders said:
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Think from what distance you look at your TV. And then think from what distance you look at your tablet. Compare the relative sizes of the devices in your field of view. I use 23 inch screen for movies but I look at it from 50cm - it's bigger then than typical cinema screen (I'm nearsighted so I like it that way).
pdanders said:
I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
Wordlywisewiz said:
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly heavily decreased performance (compared to smaller displays)
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly! I think there is not even any 2K media (like cinema films) for end users available.
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet! You won't see that at "movie-distance"
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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Vcolassi said:
Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
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Now imagine if a TV of those size existed in the 1990s. It would weigh nearly a ton, resolution would be 640x480, and would probably cost about $3,999 dollars since anything over 36 inches was unheard of.
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The difference will be noticeable, but it's up to you whether you care enough to pay another 100 [insert currency here]. Was actually slightly disappointed with the display quality when viewing text on the TFP, but perhaps I'm just being ultra-picky. Can't be bothered to wait another 6 months at this point though.
Debating: I want to order the current Transformer Prime right now. It has a Tegra 3 QUAD-core processor, 1280 x 800 res. 500$
OR wait for June and get the Transformer Prime 700 w/ S4 Snapdragon DUAL core, 1920 x 1200 res, w/ slightyly better front camera and 100$ more-- comes out in june. 600$
Help me out here... What do you think?
I REALLY want to use Tegra Zone, and i think the original Prime is better looking. The one thing that is keeping me debating is the resolution... Do you guys think it will be a GREATLY noticeable difference?
Also, how's the wifi? Like I understand it might be slightly weak, but is this issue exaggerated?
THANKS!
I would and did go with the Prime. I read somewhere that when the ipad2 came out they said that any resoulution higher than that (about our resoulution) has an undetectible difference to the human eye. Also my wifi isn't great but it doesn't suck either I get signal everywhere in my house and it is pretty big (sorry I don't know the square footage).
Hope that this helps.
Also I love the Tegra 3 it is pretty sweet. I have a dual core snapdragon phone and almost every other phone out performs it. tegra, omap, hummingbird, and dare I say it apple A5. Just saying that I don't like the snapdragon nearly as much as the performance of the tegra.
June? Haha, don't think that is going to happen...
l33tlinuxh4x0r said:
I would and did go with the Prime. I read somewhere that when the ipad2 came out they said that any resoulution higher than that (about our resoulution) has an undetectible difference to the human eye.
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This is not true. The difference between the new iPad and TF201's screen is clearly visible. People who say it doesn't either have bad eye's or just don't want to admit it. The TF700 wil have a familiar screen as the new iPad (little lower res, but much higher then the TF201) so the difference should be clearly visible. Not with games or pictures but when you're reading a text page like on XDA it is pretty amazing, almost like a book.
I don't say the 1280x800 is bad, but the 1920x1200 (or new iPad's screen) will blow you away when you see it.
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This is not true. The difference between the new iPad and TF201's screen are clearly visible. People who say it doesn't either have bad eye's or just don't want to admit it. The TF700 wil have a familiar screen as the new iPad (little lower res, but much higher then the TF201) so the difference should be clearly visible. Not with games or pictures but when you're reading a text page like on XDA it is pretty amazing, almost like a book.
I don't say the 1280x800 is bad, but the 1920x1200 (or new iPad's screen) will blow you away when you see it.
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Agreed. Unless far sighted and do not wear glasses, the new iPad makes all current lower res displays look grainy. As far as the 700, I doubt it will ship in June, since seems no way the Tegra 3 can handle 1080p efficiently. Seems will need a chipset designed to handle the higher res.
I just bought a new TS Prime last week and have 30 days to return. I'm thinking of doing so in favor of the TS Infinity. I'm worried that if Asus is no longer shipping the prime due to "defects", that the development community on the Prime will be fade quickly and become very small. I'm curious to see if the new Transformers will be similar enough that roms for each will be easy to port over. Also a full HD screen would be nice but will I be sacrificing smoothness and a lot of battery life as a result?
I'm very torn. I have had no issues with the Prime I just got. Wifi is as good as my Nexus and my GPS locks on in less than 10 seconds every time (only tested indoors). A micro usb slot would be nice but it appears as if none of the new Transformers will have that either. So I'm just asking for some opinions on why I should keep my Prime or return it and wait for the Infinity. If I'm spending 500+ dollars on a device, I'd like it to be pretty future proof.
I don't know of any future proof devices for less than $500. I saw plans for a time machine on ebay but I don't know where to get the crystals.
Just keep the prime. It'll be fine. We already have great developement.
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Just keep the prime. It'll be fine. We already have great developement.
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While this is true ^ for people like me who mostly use their tabs for media, the 1200p screen is great.
Yeah but prime screen is just as good. No one will be able to tell the difference between a 1080P movie and a 720P HD movie on a 10.1 screen. Both will look great. The only difference is text will look a little sharper on infinity pad.
Not saying you, but people forgetting Prime was already crowned the best display out of any tablet before new Ipad arrived. So prime display is still great for watching media also.
Some people get stuck on the 1080P vs. 720P, too much, on a tablet if they want to use it for media. Human eye won't detect a difference in quality on a screen this size. On a big flat screen, yes. But even then its a slight increase in quality.
Now if you want it to read books and magazines then infinity display will be better for that and that's about it. Web pages and such still look very sharp and crisp on prime display. 1080P won't even be useful for gaming because there are no games running at that "true" resolution. THEN although tegra3 will handle it fine, if the exact same gpu or gpu clock speed is used, infinity pad will likely not perform as well as prime. Meaning prime will push faster FPS on games/movies..etc..
I keeping my prime till the new Asus Transformer pads with tegra4 release at end of year or Q1 of 2013. A prime to an infinity is not really much of an upgrade. Newer tegra4 transformer pads will likely have 1080p screen also. Then tegra4 will perform better than tegra3 at that same screen size resolution. Since tegra4 will be far more powerful than tegra3. IT HAS BEEN SAID Tegra4 will likely use same 4+1 core set except this time it'll be with Cortex [email protected] 28nm. Plus it's highly likely its gpu will be keplar based. Now that's something worth waiting for
Thanks, these replies have been quite helpful. Think I will stick with the Prime. I've kinda been falling in love with it. I guess there is always something new on the horizon. So the dockfor the prime won't be compatible with future models, correct?
One more thing, what is currently the best rom on prime. I'm new and just jumped on virtuous cause it seemed popular.
The only reason I'd think about upgrading is with regards to reading ebooks... Guess the better screen will shine on that area. But otherwise there is not much reason, wifi is good enough and couldn't care much less about GPS.
Apart from the screen there is not much reason to upgrade...
About roms, running WSG0.0.6 now which is one of my favourites although the Android Open Kang project rom from jermaine151 is very sweet as well.
>The only reason I'd think about upgrading is with regards to reading ebooks...
The higher res isn't needed for ebooks. If legibility is a problem, you'd just enlarge the fonts. Ebooks are mostly text-only, so content can be reflowed, and it will just fill more pages.
What higher res would be good for is documents with mixed (text+graphics) layouts, and not specifically designed for tablets, eg mags and scientific/academic/trade docs in PDF format. Because text can't be reflowed without messing up the layout, you may not be able to enlarge text font. Then, the higher res allows small text to be more legible. If these types of docs aren't on your menu, then "hi-res" confers no benefit in this area.
One can make the case that "hi-res" would benefit web pages with small text. That argument would work for small displays like smartphones and maybe 7" tabs, but a 10" with 1280x800 is already a larger display res than most web sites are designed for.
That iPad 3 has a "better" display than previous iPad is more due to its better color filters (which allows for richer colors) than its increased res. Hi-res is good to have as a spec, because a quad-XGA will always sound better than just XGA, and 1080p better than 720p. But by itself it's not good enough as an eyes-on benefit. Apple understood this, and also boosted the color rendition.
Will this be a section for the new Transformer Pad as well? I have one, and from what I was told the only difference is GPS fixes. Is that true as well?
The major differences between the TF201 and 300Tare a few small ones.
Performance mode for the 300T is 100Mhz slower than the TF201.Balanced and Power Savong modes are equal on the 300T and TF201.
The screen is still 1280x800, but it isn't a SuperIPS+ screen.Therefore it is not as bright and has a lower contrast.
The RAM in 300T is DDR3-667. The RAM in the TF201 is DDR2-500.
Finally, the battery is 3Whr smaller on the 300T than the TF201.
The 300 is Super IPS, not IPS+ it lacks the super bright mode.
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Parastie said:
The 300 is Super IPS, not IPS+ it lacks the super bright mode.
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This my friend is not entirely true. The 300 doesn´t have super IPS display just IPS
naira1 said:
This my friend is not entirely true. The 300 doesn´t have super IPS display just IPS
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exactly, plus its funny to see people assume superips+ is only adding a brighter display. its a completely newer tech than ips. it brings a sharper display along with better color representation. blacks are blacker, whites are whiter, etc.. google each one and you will see the superips+ is far superior to ips. it adds far more to making it better than just being brighter.
also 300 has only hardened glass. its not gorilla glass. asus left these type of things out of the 300 to save money.
also far more wider viewing angles on superips+ dislay. plus superips+ display is more efficient at saving energy. anandtech broke it down in his review of 300 saying its display was inefficient compared to prime. one reason why prime battery lasts alot longer aside from it being slightly larger.
does this mean that the transformer prime roms will be supported? I am thinking about purchasing one. I currently have a SGS i9000 and I love the great community here. If the current roms work, or are easy to adapt, it would really push me to get one. Thanks for any replies.
Will the pad get its own section then? and they discontinued the prime right?
Has anyone with a TF300 been able to determine if it is compatible with wireless N on the 5ghz band? And is the issue with simultaneous use of Bluetooth headsets, while streaming content via wifi resolved. I know on the Prime I had, if I was streaming video over wifi, and listening to it via Bluetooth headset, the netwtork connection would slowly diminish to nothing.
Separate thread need
I think there needs to be a separate thread for the 300.. Both transformers had their own prior to the launch.