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I'm asking as the Anandtech review I read said that the Prime's screen is now the best screen, whereas the TF101s was lacking a little compared to the iPad 2.
Now I know that the Prime has a brighter screen, but in all honesty I thought the original Transformer's screen was the best of all the tablets, including the iPad 2 when everything was taken into consideration (resolution, brightness, pixels per inch)
because specs of prime display is even better/higher than OG transformer. in addition to being the brightest with super ips+, prime now has the highest contrast ratio of any tablet. by a large margin. also has the most dpi/ppi now of any tablet. OG transformer display may have been good or best at its time but Now Prime has taken the title with a superb display that can't be touched by any tablet out now.
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because specs of prime display is even better/higher than OG transformer. in addition to being the brightest with super ips+, prime now has the highest contrast ratio of any tablet. by a large margin. also has the most dpi/ppi now of any tablet. OG transformer display may have been good or best at its time but Now Prime has taken the title with a superb display that can't be touched by any tablet out now.
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Surely it'll have the same DPI as the TF101 as it's same resolution and same size..
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because specs of prime display is even better/higher than OG transformer. in addition to being the brightest with super ips+, prime now has the highest contrast ratio of any tablet. by a large margin. also has the most dpi/ppi now of any tablet. OG transformer display may have been good or best at its time but Now Prime has taken the title with a superb display that can't be touched by any tablet out now.
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jimbob1971 said:
I'm asking as the Anandtech review I read said that the Prime's screen is now the best screen, whereas the TF101s was lacking a little compared to the iPad 2.
Now I know that the Prime has a brighter screen, but in all honesty I thought the original Transformer's screen was the best of all the tablets, including the iPad 2 when everything was taken into consideration (resolution, brightness, pixels per inch)
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the galaxy tab 10.1 has same res (DPI) as the tf101 but the colors are more vivid and its much sharper, res doesnt say everything.... itll be stuff like brightness and the blacker blacks and whiter whites between the tf201 and tf101. It should be a significant difference
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Surely it'll have the same DPI as the TF101 as it's same resolution and same size..
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Exactly my thinking. Contrast and brightness I can understand, but if the DPI is better that must mean the screen is slightly smaller, no?
EDIT: Soccerdude just pipped me to a post but I was referring to the DPI issue.
Incidentally, I'm partly asking this question as there is another thread bemoaning the terrible 'yellow' screen and I'm hoping I'm not going to have to go through another iPhone 4s 'yellow' screen issue, when the TF101 screen is so gorgeous. Crikey, it took me long enough to find one with minimal lightbleed......
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because specs of prime display is even better/higher than OG transformer. in addition to being the brightest with super ips+, prime now has the highest contrast ratio of any tablet. by a large margin. also has the most dpi/ppi now of any tablet. OG transformer display may have been good or best at its time but Now Prime has taken the title with a superb display that can't be touched by any tablet out now.
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The PPI is the same as the OG transformer. Everything else is pretty much right.
Once Asus takes care of manufacturing issues (bleeding, dead pixels, color temperature), the Prime should have a better screen than the OG Transformer.
I've found the TF201 screen to have the following advantages over the TF101 screen:
1. I had no idea the TF101 screen was so cold. Compared to the TF201, the TF101 whites have a very blue tint. The TF201 is much warmer and because of it whites are more natural. I much prefer colors on the TF201. Note: my screen does not have an overtly yellow tint.
2. Viewing angles on the TF201 are spectacular. I thought they were good on the TF101, but the TF201 puts it to shame. Video is viewable almost on the horizontal, and where I've had to make adjustments on the TF101 at times, I've found that I don't on the TF201.
3. The TF201 is brighter even without IPS+ engaged. With it on, it's insanely bright.
Overall, the screen on the TF201 is simply excellent. Mine has a tiny bit of bleed, but I wouldn't trade it for any other tablet on the market.
Sent from my Transformer TF201 using Tapatalk
They really should allow changing parameteres of the screen like most LCDs allow - for example changing the colour temperature. I'd love a panel like in Eizo screens with full control over every parameter of the screen.
Although screen in both Transformers, and most IPS tablets is really good. Only black level on TF101 was quite poor compared to my LCD (though my LCD has on of the best black levels for a LCD because of C-PVA panel) but on par with other tablets. If T201 is better in this regards it's really great.
I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
Can you actually see the pixel difference on a 1920x1200 screen over the primes?
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I've counted them (the pixels) and the difference is that the count took two times as long!
But seriously, there is a point when it would be hard to see a difference, where more pixels would NOT really make a clearer screen.
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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Wordlywisewiz said:
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I am sorry that you are having problems with the Prime. However nothing you have said is actually relevant to the conversation that this thread was started with. Please try to keep on-topic, there are plenty of other threads where you can discus your tablet problems.
With regards to pixel density... it very much depends on how you use your Prime. If you read a lot on the Prime and have noticed pixelation in small text, then yes, upping the pixel density would improve your tablet experience. If you mainly watch videos then you probably won't notice the extra pixels on the size of screen that the Prime has.
The exact same debate took place when 1080P TV's came out. People that already bought 720P used the same defenses as to why 1080P TV's are overkill. 80% of high-def TV's sold last year were 1080P. Does anyone not think Apple's going to spend a gazillion dollars convincing the world life as we know will end if you don't have a retina (HD) display? Asus, Acer, and Samsung aren't introducing HD displays because it's practical, it's to combat Apple. How many of you expect your next phone to be qHD or 720P? And its only got a 4-5" display. Whether you personally care or not, tablets with HD displays are going to become the norm (potentially impacting the resale value of those that don't have it).
Wordlywisewiz said:
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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How is 1920x1200 = 2k?
And because the prime has that resolution doesn't mean there will be a lot of content using the extra 120 pixels lol.
it will be 1080p content with black bars on top and bottom, no difference in file sizes at all.
I guess it depends. In my opinion its all about what you're used to. For example, i'm used to gaming on a PC. There you use Anti-Aliasing on the games in 1080p, so i'm used to perfectly sharp images without any jagged edges. If I see the same games on a Xbox i always think the graphics are horrible, while most people think there are some amazing looking games on the xbox...
And i used to play Tomb Raider 1 on my old PC in 320x240 on a 15" CRT monitor. That was bad dpi. I still enjoyed it very much
So atm i have a 27" PC/TV combo monitor with 1080p. Thats what my eyes are used to. So my prime looks sharper to me than my PC monitor, and i think my PC monitor is more than sharp enough i hope you see now where i'm getting. I also cant tell the difference in dpi from my 800x480 4.3" phone to the iphone display...
What i'm trying to say, no one needs that kind of resolution. Its just nice to have, and once you got used to it, you probably dont wanna go back. All things aside, I think the Prime's screen is absolutely beautiful.
So if I had to compare 2 devices with different resolution the one very sharp, the other very very sharp I would look on all the other features first.
For example if the TF700T would have like 1 hour less battery life and would be heavier i'd still go for the Prime.
If we're talking RUMOURED ipad 3 resolution, well just think about this. Watching movies in that resolution (you first had to get them somehow, as far as i know all movies are max 1920x1080 today?) would be pretty sharp right. But because of a screen format that hasnt been used anymore since 10 years you will only be using a very small part of that screen to actually watch that movie.
Now everyone has to decide for themselfs, but for me there are FAR FAR more important features than resolution (especially if the difference is barely visable for me).
But people have spent huge amount of money on unuseful tech for lesser reasons
Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Well, it won't have the exact same GPU, and the iPad 2 has a pretty ridiculously powerful PowerVR GPU. However I question Apple's choice to use GPUs that tend to focus on polygon performance instead of fill rate performance particularly when they're looking to dramatically increase screen resolution.
Apple is running out of things to say is best with the iPad / iPhone short of gimmicks like Siri and "retina" displays. They're going to pay for it in other areas though, they're going to need to have a GPU with a killer fill rate, and though the current SGX543MP2 can probably manage, doubtless they'll cram something that eats even more power into the iPad 3.
The thing that most Apple users don't know is that most of the tablet apps they'll be buying off the market won't make use of the high resolution or the processor, as the majority will have been built to run on the now-comparatively-pathetic iPad 1. At least we're seeing THD apps that make use of the additional processing power our tablets have to offer. I've yet to hear of Apple app developers doing the same, though I assume it'll have to happen at some point.
And finally, to answer the question of the OP, I highly doubt there will be any noticeable difference at the distance most of us hold a tablet. It's a little different for the iPhone; with a 3.5 inch screen you have to hold it a lot closer if you're reading text because it's that much smaller. Comparing smartphone display resolution to tablet display resolution is rather pointless as we hold them at different distances from our face depending upon the size of the display and the text / images on the screen.
Holding my TFP at its general 2-foot viewing distance, I'm hard pressed to make out any individual pixels, and my vision is 20/20. I won't be trading in my TFP for an iPad because of of difference in pixel density I may never even notice!
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I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
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I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
Of course you can... but who cares?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Think from what distance you look at your TV. And then think from what distance you look at your tablet. Compare the relative sizes of the devices in your field of view. I use 23 inch screen for movies but I look at it from 50cm - it's bigger then than typical cinema screen (I'm nearsighted so I like it that way).
pdanders said:
I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
Wordlywisewiz said:
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly heavily decreased performance (compared to smaller displays)
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly! I think there is not even any 2K media (like cinema films) for end users available.
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet! You won't see that at "movie-distance"
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
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Now imagine if a TV of those size existed in the 1990s. It would weigh nearly a ton, resolution would be 640x480, and would probably cost about $3,999 dollars since anything over 36 inches was unheard of.
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The difference will be noticeable, but it's up to you whether you care enough to pay another 100 [insert currency here]. Was actually slightly disappointed with the display quality when viewing text on the TFP, but perhaps I'm just being ultra-picky. Can't be bothered to wait another 6 months at this point though.
What you think about this new ASUS produce??? Are they much better than PRIME? If you know of any good news about these tablets?
ASUS Transformer Pad 300 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aup6PWKIoGE
ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGPPRhDU7E
You can see produce specification on this link
so it begins...
whats the difference??
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You can see produce specification on this link
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You can also see it here on this thread started a week ago. Both devices were announced at MWC so you're a little late. There's already a discussion thread specifically on the Infinity. Search is and always will be your friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522350
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well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1200 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
I think 700 will have 1920x1200 res
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I think 700 will have 1920x1200 res
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you right..I edited my post to reflect it.
plus OP I have more videos of these tablets in my thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522707
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well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1080 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
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Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
shinzz said:
Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
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although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant. plus a no brained that flash will dramatically increase picture and video quality. no flash means no nighttime or low light pix at all. having a flash means its possible. especially as more n more people use their tablets cam to take pictures and videos now. the prime takes excellent pictures n videos. very high quality. actually the best of any tablet out.
for the ram, yes the ddr3 is better. but the primes ddr2 is not regular anyway. lpddr2 Ram that's had it speed boosted over the regular ones or previous model. so the increase in speed isn't as dramatic between ddr3 n prime. plus the ram in prime handles everything fine. no issues in handling high quality tegra3 games n such. so it isn't a matter of which sounds more appealing. if we were to go that route overall, prime and Infinity pad is alot more appealing. once again though, who cares. its about price point and what the user wants or decides and has enough to spend.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
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although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
Now, to reply to the bold txt:
1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
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1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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Fair enough. Bit what's determines a device to be premium is what's included in the features and specs. Can't deny prime has more features n specs. Can't deny that the Infinity Pad has more features n specs higher than all of them. So until a cheaper tablet comes out than the 300 from Asus, 300 IS the lowend one. Plus the fact of 300 only available in 16gb version will not be liked by alot. It does have SD card. But will never have as much mAx capacity as infinity pad or prime. Even Asus themselves St MWC and CES advertises the 300 as a lower end device along with the media. Alot here have said so also. The prime isn't the "It" tablet. But its one of the top 2 tablets in Asus line of tablets. With the infinity pad being top model with its HD screen.
Plus I haven't seen anyone say the 300 is what the prime should've been..lmfao. if anything its the infinity pad. Because infinity pad is an upgrade to Prime. 300 is a downgrade to prime. I doubt we will see that many people at all selling prime to get the 300. If anything prime owners might upgrade to tf-700. Hence the word upgrade. Going to lowered featured n spec device IS a downgrade
You have valid points though aside from the 300 being what the prime should've been..lol that.made me laugh. I'm sure all spec comparisons have been made now so we can just let people decide based on what they see, learn, and how much they want to spend..
shinzz said:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick. I like to use my tablet on my back porch when it's warm and sunny outside (which is often here in SoCal). I can use my Prime comfortably, whereas my original Transformer was useless. Like you said, it's very much a user preference thing, but if you need to use your tablet in direct sunlight, the Prime as a clear advantage over anything else on the market.
I'll second your comment about the battery: mine absolutely KILLS the battery on IPS+ mode. Burns about 30%/hour, so would last about 3.5 hours total. The good thing is I don't spend that much time in direct sunlight (bad for the skin and all).
I'll note that you also get a benefit when not in direct sunlight but still a more well-lit area. There's a good brightness range between the typical tablet's 400 or so nits and the Prime's 600 or so nits--just turn on IPS+ mode and set the brightness manually.
If the pad 300 and the prime came out at the same time. It would be no doubt that the pad 300 will outsell the prime. As for premium? Cant tell you which one of the two is currently. Pad 300 isnt out yet and the prime surely missed its mark as "primed for perfection." You can say the prime has more to offer, but if Asus cant fix all their problems with the prime. Its not really a premium tablet if you cant even use the tablet without the known issues of the prime.
The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick.
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Whether it's a gimmick or not doesn't matter if it helps Asus sell more tablets. If people don't care, and buy competitors tablets, than Asus inflated their costs for no reason. The keyboard dock was supposed to be a "killer feature" but Asus, Acer, and Motorola are all within a point of market share of each other. So unless Asus would have sold fewer tablets than Motorola and Acer had it not been for the keyboard, you could debate whether or not the "feature" mattered enough to move the needle. Are Sense, TW, and MotoBlur "gimmicks" and do people really choose one phone over another seeking a specific overlay out? Sense is the "coolest" but the SGS2 outsold the Sensation 4:1. And a lot of you don't like SAMOLED because of the exaggerated colors but voting with their wallets the general populous seems to disagree. Some features (gimmicks) resonate, and others are just meh.
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The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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We see three tablets and are deeply analyzing their differences. The public and Asus see three 10.1" ICS/Teg3 tablets at three different price points. As long as Asus feels it's wise to offer $399, $499, and $599 tablets, they will. If it's too many, or resellers ***** at carrying nine different 10.1” Asus tablets and corresponding docks, they won't. And how they get to $399, $499, and $599 tomorrow may not look anything like it does today. They could kill a price point completely or narrow the devices they need to produce to two by up or down contenting an existing model. Asus doesn’t need to produce three distinct devices in order to offer three different base price points. They'll go with whatever sells the most tablets and costs the least to do it. We're passionate about devices, to manufacturers and resellers they're just SKU's.
And riddle me this? If the TF200, TF300, and TF700 all overlapped in development, why isn't the Prime the TF300 and vice versa?
P.S. - I'm just using your quote junrider, this isn't directed at you or anyone in particular.
Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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exact same aluminum backing is used on the TF-700 aka infinity pad also. except it has a plastic strip that runs across the top of back. which degrades look of device but said to improve wireless performance.
only the 300 uses all plastic back.
So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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so far the word is every device will have its own dock. meaning each device has to use its own matching dock.
If I'm interpreting Asus/using my eyes correctly, the backs on the Prime and Infinity are identical except the small strip of plastic at the top of the Infinity, right? I don't know where the "plastic back of the Infinity will be less durable" is coming from?
That aside, will the Infinity have DDR3 RAM or DDR2 like the Prime?
Dang sucks because I did finally get the dock but I guess together prime (32GB)+dock might fetch 550$?
Or just give this to my dad and buy the infinity.
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I just bought a new TS Prime last week and have 30 days to return. I'm thinking of doing so in favor of the TS Infinity. I'm worried that if Asus is no longer shipping the prime due to "defects", that the development community on the Prime will be fade quickly and become very small. I'm curious to see if the new Transformers will be similar enough that roms for each will be easy to port over. Also a full HD screen would be nice but will I be sacrificing smoothness and a lot of battery life as a result?
I'm very torn. I have had no issues with the Prime I just got. Wifi is as good as my Nexus and my GPS locks on in less than 10 seconds every time (only tested indoors). A micro usb slot would be nice but it appears as if none of the new Transformers will have that either. So I'm just asking for some opinions on why I should keep my Prime or return it and wait for the Infinity. If I'm spending 500+ dollars on a device, I'd like it to be pretty future proof.
I don't know of any future proof devices for less than $500. I saw plans for a time machine on ebay but I don't know where to get the crystals.
Just keep the prime. It'll be fine. We already have great developement.
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Just keep the prime. It'll be fine. We already have great developement.
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While this is true ^ for people like me who mostly use their tabs for media, the 1200p screen is great.
Yeah but prime screen is just as good. No one will be able to tell the difference between a 1080P movie and a 720P HD movie on a 10.1 screen. Both will look great. The only difference is text will look a little sharper on infinity pad.
Not saying you, but people forgetting Prime was already crowned the best display out of any tablet before new Ipad arrived. So prime display is still great for watching media also.
Some people get stuck on the 1080P vs. 720P, too much, on a tablet if they want to use it for media. Human eye won't detect a difference in quality on a screen this size. On a big flat screen, yes. But even then its a slight increase in quality.
Now if you want it to read books and magazines then infinity display will be better for that and that's about it. Web pages and such still look very sharp and crisp on prime display. 1080P won't even be useful for gaming because there are no games running at that "true" resolution. THEN although tegra3 will handle it fine, if the exact same gpu or gpu clock speed is used, infinity pad will likely not perform as well as prime. Meaning prime will push faster FPS on games/movies..etc..
I keeping my prime till the new Asus Transformer pads with tegra4 release at end of year or Q1 of 2013. A prime to an infinity is not really much of an upgrade. Newer tegra4 transformer pads will likely have 1080p screen also. Then tegra4 will perform better than tegra3 at that same screen size resolution. Since tegra4 will be far more powerful than tegra3. IT HAS BEEN SAID Tegra4 will likely use same 4+1 core set except this time it'll be with Cortex [email protected] 28nm. Plus it's highly likely its gpu will be keplar based. Now that's something worth waiting for
Thanks, these replies have been quite helpful. Think I will stick with the Prime. I've kinda been falling in love with it. I guess there is always something new on the horizon. So the dockfor the prime won't be compatible with future models, correct?
One more thing, what is currently the best rom on prime. I'm new and just jumped on virtuous cause it seemed popular.
The only reason I'd think about upgrading is with regards to reading ebooks... Guess the better screen will shine on that area. But otherwise there is not much reason, wifi is good enough and couldn't care much less about GPS.
Apart from the screen there is not much reason to upgrade...
About roms, running WSG0.0.6 now which is one of my favourites although the Android Open Kang project rom from jermaine151 is very sweet as well.
>The only reason I'd think about upgrading is with regards to reading ebooks...
The higher res isn't needed for ebooks. If legibility is a problem, you'd just enlarge the fonts. Ebooks are mostly text-only, so content can be reflowed, and it will just fill more pages.
What higher res would be good for is documents with mixed (text+graphics) layouts, and not specifically designed for tablets, eg mags and scientific/academic/trade docs in PDF format. Because text can't be reflowed without messing up the layout, you may not be able to enlarge text font. Then, the higher res allows small text to be more legible. If these types of docs aren't on your menu, then "hi-res" confers no benefit in this area.
One can make the case that "hi-res" would benefit web pages with small text. That argument would work for small displays like smartphones and maybe 7" tabs, but a 10" with 1280x800 is already a larger display res than most web sites are designed for.
That iPad 3 has a "better" display than previous iPad is more due to its better color filters (which allows for richer colors) than its increased res. Hi-res is good to have as a spec, because a quad-XGA will always sound better than just XGA, and 1080p better than 720p. But by itself it's not good enough as an eyes-on benefit. Apple understood this, and also boosted the color rendition.
Hi,
new to the forum, wondering to buy 300 (for gps w/o dongle) or prime (and can't decide !)
To prime users, I would like to know how you consider Super IPS + Mode, for outside (browsing especially) : gadget, usefull, essentiel ?
Do you use this mode every time outside or only in very bright conditions ?
I've found some videos on it but hard to see what it gives in real life.
Any commments appreciated ! Thanks.
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I use the Super IPS+ quite a lot. Anytime I have glare on my screen from Indoor lights or when Im sitting on my porch during daylight. It is bright enough also that I use it in the middle of the night to see the keys on the Docking Keyboard.
Super IPS+ is an amazing feature that I have come to love and would not get another tablet unless it has Super IPS.
I find it useful. I'm able to sit outside, with my sunglasses on in the sun, and read the screen clearly. I use to have problems doing the same with my Nook Color which was considered to have a decent screen for outdoor viewing. The difference when you turn the IPS+ mode on is very noticeable. If it's necessary for you to see it outdoors, then it's a worthwhile upgrade.
What applications/are you looking to get done with GPS? Just so we can assess what kind of GPS performance would be acceptable for your usage cases.
get the prime. read the thread in my signature called the positive transformer thread. super ips+ makes the screen and colors pop more. can be used indoors also.
I use the ISP + feature almost daily, whenever I'm outdoors.
Would I not consider any other tablet simply because it didn't have ISP+?
No. But it would certainly swing things in the favor of any tablet that did have that feature!
Hardly a "gimmick"...
super ips + is more than just a brighter screen compared to regular ips. super has higher contrast ratio. better color reproduction, blacks are blacker, whites are whiter..etc..colors more vibrant ans so on.
ips is good but super ips+ is a newer technology. before new ipad came out, prime was toted as having the best screen display of any tablet
Thats funny, some of the Devs working on the prime, have mentioned IPS+ is just the brightness turned all the way up (an exeptional bright screen yes), apparently the prime was artificially blocked from going to its brightest setting, and then slapped slapped with an 'IPS+ 'feature', which turns on its highest brightness setting.
This is what ive read some devs saying, im by no means an expert in the matter, so cant attain to its validity, but devs i tend to trust in these matters
Its a nice bright screen, no doubt, i guess we'll have to wait until the 300 comes out, to see whether its just as 'bright'
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Thats funny, some of the Devs working on the prime, have mentioned IPS+ is just the brightness turned all the way up (an exeptional bright screen yes), apparently the prime was artificially blocked from going to its brightest setting, and then slapped slapped with an 'IPS+ 'feature', which turns on its highest brightness setting.
This is what ive read some devs saying, im by no means an expert in the matter, so cant attain to its validity, but devs i tend to trust in these matters
Its a nice bright screen, no doubt, i guess we'll have to wait until the 300 comes out, to see whether its just as 'bright'
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They're obviously not drinking enough of the kool aid
Thank you all for your feedbacks !
demandarin said:
get the prime. ....
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I might, considering what you say on super IPS+, and I believe the screen quality is essential.
If anyone is interested in, I found some benchmarks on the french site "Les numériques" for the prime :
> Contrast 1224:1 for IPS and 1138:1 for Super IPS+
> Brithness 387 cd/m2 for IPS and 619 cd/m2 (!) for Super IPS+
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... i guess we'll have to wait until the 300 comes out, to see whether its just as 'bright'
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I haven't thought 300's normal IPS could be different than Prime's one, so I might wait some tests indeed.
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What applications/are you looking to get done with GPS? Just so we can assess what kind of GPS performance would be acceptable for your usage cases.
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I would like to use GPS in car for some real-time traffic mapping based on floating car data and/or for (legal !) community speed camera alerts (like wikango, icoyote..). But actually I don't know if either is possible without 3G (I do not have a 3G smartphone so no tethering). So I might only dream ?