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I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
Can you actually see the pixel difference on a 1920x1200 screen over the primes?
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I've counted them (the pixels) and the difference is that the count took two times as long!
But seriously, there is a point when it would be hard to see a difference, where more pixels would NOT really make a clearer screen.
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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Wordlywisewiz said:
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I am sorry that you are having problems with the Prime. However nothing you have said is actually relevant to the conversation that this thread was started with. Please try to keep on-topic, there are plenty of other threads where you can discus your tablet problems.
With regards to pixel density... it very much depends on how you use your Prime. If you read a lot on the Prime and have noticed pixelation in small text, then yes, upping the pixel density would improve your tablet experience. If you mainly watch videos then you probably won't notice the extra pixels on the size of screen that the Prime has.
The exact same debate took place when 1080P TV's came out. People that already bought 720P used the same defenses as to why 1080P TV's are overkill. 80% of high-def TV's sold last year were 1080P. Does anyone not think Apple's going to spend a gazillion dollars convincing the world life as we know will end if you don't have a retina (HD) display? Asus, Acer, and Samsung aren't introducing HD displays because it's practical, it's to combat Apple. How many of you expect your next phone to be qHD or 720P? And its only got a 4-5" display. Whether you personally care or not, tablets with HD displays are going to become the norm (potentially impacting the resale value of those that don't have it).
Wordlywisewiz said:
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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How is 1920x1200 = 2k?
And because the prime has that resolution doesn't mean there will be a lot of content using the extra 120 pixels lol.
it will be 1080p content with black bars on top and bottom, no difference in file sizes at all.
I guess it depends. In my opinion its all about what you're used to. For example, i'm used to gaming on a PC. There you use Anti-Aliasing on the games in 1080p, so i'm used to perfectly sharp images without any jagged edges. If I see the same games on a Xbox i always think the graphics are horrible, while most people think there are some amazing looking games on the xbox...
And i used to play Tomb Raider 1 on my old PC in 320x240 on a 15" CRT monitor. That was bad dpi. I still enjoyed it very much
So atm i have a 27" PC/TV combo monitor with 1080p. Thats what my eyes are used to. So my prime looks sharper to me than my PC monitor, and i think my PC monitor is more than sharp enough i hope you see now where i'm getting. I also cant tell the difference in dpi from my 800x480 4.3" phone to the iphone display...
What i'm trying to say, no one needs that kind of resolution. Its just nice to have, and once you got used to it, you probably dont wanna go back. All things aside, I think the Prime's screen is absolutely beautiful.
So if I had to compare 2 devices with different resolution the one very sharp, the other very very sharp I would look on all the other features first.
For example if the TF700T would have like 1 hour less battery life and would be heavier i'd still go for the Prime.
If we're talking RUMOURED ipad 3 resolution, well just think about this. Watching movies in that resolution (you first had to get them somehow, as far as i know all movies are max 1920x1080 today?) would be pretty sharp right. But because of a screen format that hasnt been used anymore since 10 years you will only be using a very small part of that screen to actually watch that movie.
Now everyone has to decide for themselfs, but for me there are FAR FAR more important features than resolution (especially if the difference is barely visable for me).
But people have spent huge amount of money on unuseful tech for lesser reasons
Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Well, it won't have the exact same GPU, and the iPad 2 has a pretty ridiculously powerful PowerVR GPU. However I question Apple's choice to use GPUs that tend to focus on polygon performance instead of fill rate performance particularly when they're looking to dramatically increase screen resolution.
Apple is running out of things to say is best with the iPad / iPhone short of gimmicks like Siri and "retina" displays. They're going to pay for it in other areas though, they're going to need to have a GPU with a killer fill rate, and though the current SGX543MP2 can probably manage, doubtless they'll cram something that eats even more power into the iPad 3.
The thing that most Apple users don't know is that most of the tablet apps they'll be buying off the market won't make use of the high resolution or the processor, as the majority will have been built to run on the now-comparatively-pathetic iPad 1. At least we're seeing THD apps that make use of the additional processing power our tablets have to offer. I've yet to hear of Apple app developers doing the same, though I assume it'll have to happen at some point.
And finally, to answer the question of the OP, I highly doubt there will be any noticeable difference at the distance most of us hold a tablet. It's a little different for the iPhone; with a 3.5 inch screen you have to hold it a lot closer if you're reading text because it's that much smaller. Comparing smartphone display resolution to tablet display resolution is rather pointless as we hold them at different distances from our face depending upon the size of the display and the text / images on the screen.
Holding my TFP at its general 2-foot viewing distance, I'm hard pressed to make out any individual pixels, and my vision is 20/20. I won't be trading in my TFP for an iPad because of of difference in pixel density I may never even notice!
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I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
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I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
Of course you can... but who cares?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Think from what distance you look at your TV. And then think from what distance you look at your tablet. Compare the relative sizes of the devices in your field of view. I use 23 inch screen for movies but I look at it from 50cm - it's bigger then than typical cinema screen (I'm nearsighted so I like it that way).
pdanders said:
I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
Wordlywisewiz said:
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly heavily decreased performance (compared to smaller displays)
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly! I think there is not even any 2K media (like cinema films) for end users available.
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet! You won't see that at "movie-distance"
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
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Now imagine if a TV of those size existed in the 1990s. It would weigh nearly a ton, resolution would be 640x480, and would probably cost about $3,999 dollars since anything over 36 inches was unheard of.
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The difference will be noticeable, but it's up to you whether you care enough to pay another 100 [insert currency here]. Was actually slightly disappointed with the display quality when viewing text on the TFP, but perhaps I'm just being ultra-picky. Can't be bothered to wait another 6 months at this point though.
With the significant drop of SuperAMOLED quality control or just plain bad luck on my end I've decided to call it quits and look at other screen technologies and suffice to say the rumored Tab 11.6 is peaking my interest and probably that device will come with PLS.
I've had a chance to compare the Tab10.1 and Ipad2 but I really didn't do so extensively, I was comparing the TF201 , Ipad2 and Tab7.7 and after a lot of testing I've concluded that SuperAMOLED only offers better blacks, the rest is just a subjective preference like color saturation, even viewing angles are superior on the TF201 and Ipad2.
My primary usage is video playback then web browsing, Im also particular with white tones across all brightness levels and with my current Tab7.7 the white tones at low brightness are just horrible compared to the TF201, Tab10.1 and Ipad2
Anyone with extended experience on the said devices can share their opinions between the PLS on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 vs the IPS on the Ipad2 or TF201?
BUMP for my post, how does the Tab 10.1's screen perform in terms of movie viewing?
EarlZ said:
BUMP for my post, how does the Tab 10.1's screen perform in terms of movie viewing?
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Pretty good when the brightness is turned all the way up, This being on Dice Player @ 255/255, Better contrast and color, I think Bravia engine can be added to enhance the colors.
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Pretty good when the brightness is turned all the way up, This being on Dice Player @ 255/255, Better contrast and color, I think Bravia engine can be added to enhance the colors.
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about 95% of the time I use the device at the bed room, so 0-33% brightness might be up my alley. When you say better contrast and color is that in comparison to the Ipad2 screen ?
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about 95% of the time I use the device at the bed room, so 0-33% brightness might be up my alley. When you say better contrast and color is that in comparison to the Ipad2 screen ?
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I watch a lot of series and some movies on my Tab while in bed and imo it's pretty great (especially when they're 720p ). It's almost always at night so no problems with the sun shining on the screen though. With the sun shining directly on the screen, I doubt you could really enjoy any movie ...
I have my brightness set somewhere between 50-100/255 on Dice Player, depending on the movie and if I have any lights on in the room.
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I watch a lot of series and some movies on my Tab while in bed and imo it's pretty great (especially when they're 720p ). It's almost always at night so no problems with the sun shining on the screen though. With the sun shining directly on the screen, I doubt you could really enjoy any movie ...
I have my brightness set somewhere between 50-100/255 on Dice Player, depending on the movie and if I have any lights on in the room.
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Yeah around daytime it's best on 255 but around night time I keep it to 150 or such, any higher at night is like an alien abduction
Hmm on a superamoled screen i keep it at 46 only. But that doesnt really matter as long as the whites in web pages remain white unlile oled.
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Hmm on a superamoled screen i keep it at 46 only. But that doesnt really matter as long as the whites in web pages remain white unlile oled.
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I've been wondering the same too, On my desktop it shows XDA is creamish/pink but on the tablet it shows that xda is white o.o
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I've been wondering the same too, On my desktop it shows XDA is creamish/pink but on the tablet it shows that xda is white o.o
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Strange, it shows the same color for me both on computer and on the tablet. I *did* have the "white xda" problem in the past though, both on my desktop, laptop and tablet. Thought it had something to do with a faulty .css or something similar though, haven't seen it in a long while now.
What I mean is on low brightness levels the white tones on the SuperAMOLED screen becomes either grainy or may turn into yellowish,pinkish or blueish depending on the the screen you've got. Though movie quality is great I also noticed it makes an actual scene darker crushing detail.. Samsung tried to fix this with a different gamma profile on the Galaxy Note but it ends up giving blocky blacks.
I've come across a store demo unit and sadly I cant transfer over my media files, BT just takes to long and the Tab10.1 has no wifi direct.
Is backlight bleeding a common issue on the pls screen?
EarlZ said:
With the significant drop of SuperAMOLED quality control or just plain bad luck on my end I've decided to call it quits and look at other screen technologies and suffice to say the rumored Tab 11.6 is peaking my interest and probably that device will come with PLS.
I've had a chance to compare the Tab10.1 and Ipad2 but I really didn't do so extensively, I was comparing the TF201 , Ipad2 and Tab7.7 and after a lot of testing I've concluded that SuperAMOLED only offers better blacks, the rest is just a subjective preference like color saturation, even viewing angles are superior on the TF201 and Ipad2.
My primary usage is video playback then web browsing, Im also particular with white tones across all brightness levels and with my current Tab7.7 the white tones at low brightness are just horrible compared to the TF201, Tab10.1 and Ipad2
Anyone with extended experience on the said devices can share their opinions between the PLS on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 vs the IPS on the Ipad2 or TF201?
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PLS is plane line switching where as ips is in plane switching. The only difference between the Displays is the light thourough put is higher in Pls that ips hence the more vibrant colors and brighter backlight
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What you think about this new ASUS produce??? Are they much better than PRIME? If you know of any good news about these tablets?
ASUS Transformer Pad 300 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aup6PWKIoGE
ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGPPRhDU7E
You can see produce specification on this link
so it begins...
whats the difference??
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You can see produce specification on this link
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You can also see it here on this thread started a week ago. Both devices were announced at MWC so you're a little late. There's already a discussion thread specifically on the Infinity. Search is and always will be your friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522350
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whats the difference??
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well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1200 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
I think 700 will have 1920x1200 res
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I think 700 will have 1920x1200 res
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you right..I edited my post to reflect it.
plus OP I have more videos of these tablets in my thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522707
demandarin said:
well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1080 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
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Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
shinzz said:
Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
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although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant. plus a no brained that flash will dramatically increase picture and video quality. no flash means no nighttime or low light pix at all. having a flash means its possible. especially as more n more people use their tablets cam to take pictures and videos now. the prime takes excellent pictures n videos. very high quality. actually the best of any tablet out.
for the ram, yes the ddr3 is better. but the primes ddr2 is not regular anyway. lpddr2 Ram that's had it speed boosted over the regular ones or previous model. so the increase in speed isn't as dramatic between ddr3 n prime. plus the ram in prime handles everything fine. no issues in handling high quality tegra3 games n such. so it isn't a matter of which sounds more appealing. if we were to go that route overall, prime and Infinity pad is alot more appealing. once again though, who cares. its about price point and what the user wants or decides and has enough to spend.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
demandarin said:
although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
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1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
Now, to reply to the bold txt:
1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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Fair enough. Bit what's determines a device to be premium is what's included in the features and specs. Can't deny prime has more features n specs. Can't deny that the Infinity Pad has more features n specs higher than all of them. So until a cheaper tablet comes out than the 300 from Asus, 300 IS the lowend one. Plus the fact of 300 only available in 16gb version will not be liked by alot. It does have SD card. But will never have as much mAx capacity as infinity pad or prime. Even Asus themselves St MWC and CES advertises the 300 as a lower end device along with the media. Alot here have said so also. The prime isn't the "It" tablet. But its one of the top 2 tablets in Asus line of tablets. With the infinity pad being top model with its HD screen.
Plus I haven't seen anyone say the 300 is what the prime should've been..lmfao. if anything its the infinity pad. Because infinity pad is an upgrade to Prime. 300 is a downgrade to prime. I doubt we will see that many people at all selling prime to get the 300. If anything prime owners might upgrade to tf-700. Hence the word upgrade. Going to lowered featured n spec device IS a downgrade
You have valid points though aside from the 300 being what the prime should've been..lol that.made me laugh. I'm sure all spec comparisons have been made now so we can just let people decide based on what they see, learn, and how much they want to spend..
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1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick. I like to use my tablet on my back porch when it's warm and sunny outside (which is often here in SoCal). I can use my Prime comfortably, whereas my original Transformer was useless. Like you said, it's very much a user preference thing, but if you need to use your tablet in direct sunlight, the Prime as a clear advantage over anything else on the market.
I'll second your comment about the battery: mine absolutely KILLS the battery on IPS+ mode. Burns about 30%/hour, so would last about 3.5 hours total. The good thing is I don't spend that much time in direct sunlight (bad for the skin and all).
I'll note that you also get a benefit when not in direct sunlight but still a more well-lit area. There's a good brightness range between the typical tablet's 400 or so nits and the Prime's 600 or so nits--just turn on IPS+ mode and set the brightness manually.
If the pad 300 and the prime came out at the same time. It would be no doubt that the pad 300 will outsell the prime. As for premium? Cant tell you which one of the two is currently. Pad 300 isnt out yet and the prime surely missed its mark as "primed for perfection." You can say the prime has more to offer, but if Asus cant fix all their problems with the prime. Its not really a premium tablet if you cant even use the tablet without the known issues of the prime.
The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick.
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Whether it's a gimmick or not doesn't matter if it helps Asus sell more tablets. If people don't care, and buy competitors tablets, than Asus inflated their costs for no reason. The keyboard dock was supposed to be a "killer feature" but Asus, Acer, and Motorola are all within a point of market share of each other. So unless Asus would have sold fewer tablets than Motorola and Acer had it not been for the keyboard, you could debate whether or not the "feature" mattered enough to move the needle. Are Sense, TW, and MotoBlur "gimmicks" and do people really choose one phone over another seeking a specific overlay out? Sense is the "coolest" but the SGS2 outsold the Sensation 4:1. And a lot of you don't like SAMOLED because of the exaggerated colors but voting with their wallets the general populous seems to disagree. Some features (gimmicks) resonate, and others are just meh.
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The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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We see three tablets and are deeply analyzing their differences. The public and Asus see three 10.1" ICS/Teg3 tablets at three different price points. As long as Asus feels it's wise to offer $399, $499, and $599 tablets, they will. If it's too many, or resellers ***** at carrying nine different 10.1” Asus tablets and corresponding docks, they won't. And how they get to $399, $499, and $599 tomorrow may not look anything like it does today. They could kill a price point completely or narrow the devices they need to produce to two by up or down contenting an existing model. Asus doesn’t need to produce three distinct devices in order to offer three different base price points. They'll go with whatever sells the most tablets and costs the least to do it. We're passionate about devices, to manufacturers and resellers they're just SKU's.
And riddle me this? If the TF200, TF300, and TF700 all overlapped in development, why isn't the Prime the TF300 and vice versa?
P.S. - I'm just using your quote junrider, this isn't directed at you or anyone in particular.
Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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exact same aluminum backing is used on the TF-700 aka infinity pad also. except it has a plastic strip that runs across the top of back. which degrades look of device but said to improve wireless performance.
only the 300 uses all plastic back.
So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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so far the word is every device will have its own dock. meaning each device has to use its own matching dock.
If I'm interpreting Asus/using my eyes correctly, the backs on the Prime and Infinity are identical except the small strip of plastic at the top of the Infinity, right? I don't know where the "plastic back of the Infinity will be less durable" is coming from?
That aside, will the Infinity have DDR3 RAM or DDR2 like the Prime?
Dang sucks because I did finally get the dock but I guess together prime (32GB)+dock might fetch 550$?
Or just give this to my dad and buy the infinity.
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Will this be a section for the new Transformer Pad as well? I have one, and from what I was told the only difference is GPS fixes. Is that true as well?
The major differences between the TF201 and 300Tare a few small ones.
Performance mode for the 300T is 100Mhz slower than the TF201.Balanced and Power Savong modes are equal on the 300T and TF201.
The screen is still 1280x800, but it isn't a SuperIPS+ screen.Therefore it is not as bright and has a lower contrast.
The RAM in 300T is DDR3-667. The RAM in the TF201 is DDR2-500.
Finally, the battery is 3Whr smaller on the 300T than the TF201.
The 300 is Super IPS, not IPS+ it lacks the super bright mode.
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The 300 is Super IPS, not IPS+ it lacks the super bright mode.
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This my friend is not entirely true. The 300 doesn´t have super IPS display just IPS
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This my friend is not entirely true. The 300 doesn´t have super IPS display just IPS
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exactly, plus its funny to see people assume superips+ is only adding a brighter display. its a completely newer tech than ips. it brings a sharper display along with better color representation. blacks are blacker, whites are whiter, etc.. google each one and you will see the superips+ is far superior to ips. it adds far more to making it better than just being brighter.
also 300 has only hardened glass. its not gorilla glass. asus left these type of things out of the 300 to save money.
also far more wider viewing angles on superips+ dislay. plus superips+ display is more efficient at saving energy. anandtech broke it down in his review of 300 saying its display was inefficient compared to prime. one reason why prime battery lasts alot longer aside from it being slightly larger.
does this mean that the transformer prime roms will be supported? I am thinking about purchasing one. I currently have a SGS i9000 and I love the great community here. If the current roms work, or are easy to adapt, it would really push me to get one. Thanks for any replies.
Will the pad get its own section then? and they discontinued the prime right?
Has anyone with a TF300 been able to determine if it is compatible with wireless N on the 5ghz band? And is the issue with simultaneous use of Bluetooth headsets, while streaming content via wifi resolved. I know on the Prime I had, if I was streaming video over wifi, and listening to it via Bluetooth headset, the netwtork connection would slowly diminish to nothing.
Separate thread need
I think there needs to be a separate thread for the 300.. Both transformers had their own prior to the launch.
I just sold my transformer prime infinity...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
Well I was just looking around here and I don't have a Nexus 10. I got a Galaxy Note 10.1 and from my experience the picture matters a lot.
I mean there are a lot of wallpaper sites with ultra HD and optimized wallpapers for retina display, but the same resolution is not always the same sharpness. some are crappy cropped or zoomed.
Use quickpic to set your background picture. The stock gallery app sometimes crops the pictures false.
And pictures with a resolution below the maximum resolution will always look a bit crappy. that means that when you are using a fullHD picture, which was nice for transformer prime, it can look less sharp on a display with higher resolution like nexus 10
I too come from Prime and there is no contest, this screen is sharper than Prime by miles.
How stuff looks will depend on what you are seeing.
If you have set regular wallpaper, it will look all blurry thanks to resolution. Even so called HD wallpapers will look blurry on this. You need to go search for wallpapers for MacBook Pro retina and use those on this tablet using quickpic. None of the apps from Android market have good wallpapers that are having native resolution of this tablet.
Text is sharp and crisp on this.
Most arcade games are not optimised for this screen and look terrible or blurry. That is not screen's fault.
Desktop web pages look nice full and crisp. So only real issue of lack of sharpness comes into picture when the content is not ready for screen. That includes apps, images and games.
I also come from Prime.
I wouldn't say the Prime screen looks sharper than the Nexus 10. Reading text on the N10, for example, the resolution is really amazing, very nice on the Nexus 10.
The colors and brightness and blacks is a different story. The Prime had those 3 much nicer than the Nexus 10. I loved playing Marble Blast on the Prime, the graphics looked amazingly vivid. On the Nexus 10 they appear as meh.
Its the prime infinity. Drastic difference. What a shame. Gonna put the nex up 4sale.
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I just sold my transformer prime...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
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I actually have to disagree with you a little bit here. 720p video should look just as good on the Nexus 10 as it does on the Note 10.1. 1280x800 times 2 is 2560x1600. Because of that each pixel of a 720p video will take up exactly 4 pixels on the Nexus 10; however those 4 pixels on the N10 are the same area that would be a single pixel on the Note 10.1. This is a clean ratio. On the TF700 you got to 1920x1200 which is 1.5 times 1280x800. This is not a whole ratio and means that pixels of a 720p video will take up between 1 and 4 pixels on the TF700 display (determined by a fancy algorithm for scaling images).
The Nexus 10 playing 1080p video should have about the same blurriness as the TF700 playing 720p video.
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Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Lol as a former owner of both (returned Prime C1 for 700 a C6 then returned that, and I started the thread in Prime forums for users who Asus lost our first mailed GPS dongles)- your fooling yourself or you got a N10 with a bad screen
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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The problem with this screen is calibration and black levels.
Colors are extremely washed, red is a poor red, same with blue. This totally kills the screen. If you compare this with ipad screen, you will cry. Not because of viewing angles, not because of brightness, because of colours. Google was really smart when they decided not to calibrate their screens, same with nexus 4, while other OEMs take care of this thing deeply.
And black, despite numbers of the reviews, its quite poor, mostly because every single unit has light bleed (some with a hard mess, others this problem is smaller)
As a result, a top screen with such a poor implementation. This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one, with many pixels, but nothing else. And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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light bleed is not a software issue
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light bleed is not a software issue
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Yep, meant the calibration thing, it's about software. Black thing is because a bad manufacturing process, probably because of low price tag., or crappy manufacturers.
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You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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Wow...that blows. Maybe we need a 4.1 ROM??
I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
Yep, I completely agree with one of the previous posters, this is definetly a black level issue. I put the iPad with a Retina Display right against a Nexus 10 both playing the same 1080i MKV. The iPad clearly won.
I still like the Nexus 10 a lot and I find it very comfortable to use because of how thin it is and how light it is, but to improve the product I think Google missed it some here. They could lowered the resolution considerably (1920 x 1080 is more than fine), improved on black level, and used the same processor. The lower resolution would have allowed that processor to scream since it wouldn't have been as taxed to interpolate so many pixels.
I don't know if it is a software issue or not, but if it is I really hope Google releases a fix. If there was a way to adjust Gamma or Contrast it might help considerably.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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There's no way on earth text (or other computer generated content like the UI and icons) will look better on a 147PPI display (Prime) vs. 224PPI (TF700) or 300PPI (N10). The reason is as 404 Error did a great job of explaining is that text is a 1:1 match pixel wise; the more pixels the sharper the image. Photos and videos display even the clearest content over multiple pixels so the advantage of a higher PPI becomes less pronounced. And the human eye (even yours) can't resolve sharpness over 229PPI beyond 15". So, your 20/20 eyes are decieving you. The N10 has less contrast and isn't as bright as older displays so that might be what you're reacting to.
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This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one,
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well lets hope this guy will change that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9H-TtObBY
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I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
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Mine has this problem and so do at least a few others. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2007676
I'm still debating if it annoys me enough to justify an exchange.