[Q] Prime users : would you abandon Super IPS+ ? (pad 300) - Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime

Hi,
new to the forum, wondering to buy 300 (for gps w/o dongle) or prime (and can't decide !)
To prime users, I would like to know how you consider Super IPS + Mode, for outside (browsing especially) : gadget, usefull, essentiel ?
Do you use this mode every time outside or only in very bright conditions ?
I've found some videos on it but hard to see what it gives in real life.
Any commments appreciated ! Thanks.

Super IPS+
I use the Super IPS+ quite a lot. Anytime I have glare on my screen from Indoor lights or when Im sitting on my porch during daylight. It is bright enough also that I use it in the middle of the night to see the keys on the Docking Keyboard.
Super IPS+ is an amazing feature that I have come to love and would not get another tablet unless it has Super IPS.

I find it useful. I'm able to sit outside, with my sunglasses on in the sun, and read the screen clearly. I use to have problems doing the same with my Nook Color which was considered to have a decent screen for outdoor viewing. The difference when you turn the IPS+ mode on is very noticeable. If it's necessary for you to see it outdoors, then it's a worthwhile upgrade.

What applications/are you looking to get done with GPS? Just so we can assess what kind of GPS performance would be acceptable for your usage cases.

get the prime. read the thread in my signature called the positive transformer thread. super ips+ makes the screen and colors pop more. can be used indoors also.

I use the ISP + feature almost daily, whenever I'm outdoors.
Would I not consider any other tablet simply because it didn't have ISP+?
No. But it would certainly swing things in the favor of any tablet that did have that feature!
Hardly a "gimmick"...

super ips + is more than just a brighter screen compared to regular ips. super has higher contrast ratio. better color reproduction, blacks are blacker, whites are whiter..etc..colors more vibrant ans so on.
ips is good but super ips+ is a newer technology. before new ipad came out, prime was toted as having the best screen display of any tablet

Thats funny, some of the Devs working on the prime, have mentioned IPS+ is just the brightness turned all the way up (an exeptional bright screen yes), apparently the prime was artificially blocked from going to its brightest setting, and then slapped slapped with an 'IPS+ 'feature', which turns on its highest brightness setting.
This is what ive read some devs saying, im by no means an expert in the matter, so cant attain to its validity, but devs i tend to trust in these matters
Its a nice bright screen, no doubt, i guess we'll have to wait until the 300 comes out, to see whether its just as 'bright'

banderos101 said:
Thats funny, some of the Devs working on the prime, have mentioned IPS+ is just the brightness turned all the way up (an exeptional bright screen yes), apparently the prime was artificially blocked from going to its brightest setting, and then slapped slapped with an 'IPS+ 'feature', which turns on its highest brightness setting.
This is what ive read some devs saying, im by no means an expert in the matter, so cant attain to its validity, but devs i tend to trust in these matters
Its a nice bright screen, no doubt, i guess we'll have to wait until the 300 comes out, to see whether its just as 'bright'
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They're obviously not drinking enough of the kool aid

Thank you all for your feedbacks !
demandarin said:
get the prime. ....
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I might, considering what you say on super IPS+, and I believe the screen quality is essential.
If anyone is interested in, I found some benchmarks on the french site "Les numériques" for the prime :
> Contrast 1224:1 for IPS and 1138:1 for Super IPS+
> Brithness 387 cd/m2 for IPS and 619 cd/m2 (!) for Super IPS+
banderos101 said:
... i guess we'll have to wait until the 300 comes out, to see whether its just as 'bright'
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I haven't thought 300's normal IPS could be different than Prime's one, so I might wait some tests indeed.
irishtexmex said:
What applications/are you looking to get done with GPS? Just so we can assess what kind of GPS performance would be acceptable for your usage cases.
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I would like to use GPS in car for some real-time traffic mapping based on floating car data and/or for (legal !) community speed camera alerts (like wikango, icoyote..). But actually I don't know if either is possible without 3G (I do not have a 3G smartphone so no tethering). So I might only dream ?

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visibility in sunlight?!

Hey guys i want to know how good the screen is on this phone as i am thinking about buying one, and i thought you guys who own it will be able to tell me what the reviews seem to miss.
How visible is the phone in sunlight? and compared to my friends HTC desire..which was AWFULLLLL, but with brightness up on iphone it was good enough.
Unbiased opinion please!!
Great. You won't have any prob. I tested it, had no prob at all. Had it on Auto Brightness, all time.
Gsmarena quote,
All in all, Super AMOLED Plus screens and mobile phones are really meant for each other. It’s a perfect match that reveals all the strengths (unrivaled image quality, perfect viewing angles, energy efficiency and great sunlight legibility), without suffering the traditional OLED weaknesses (higher production costs for larger units and shorter life).
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Regards.
have your screen bright, and this is awesome!
Superb, much to my surprise. Could watch vids on beach in Sardinian sunshine this summer with no problems - apart from sand
Super Amoled is the best display especially when viewing in sunlight. So you will not regret
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PLS screen as compared to other IPS screens

With the significant drop of SuperAMOLED quality control or just plain bad luck on my end I've decided to call it quits and look at other screen technologies and suffice to say the rumored Tab 11.6 is peaking my interest and probably that device will come with PLS.
I've had a chance to compare the Tab10.1 and Ipad2 but I really didn't do so extensively, I was comparing the TF201 , Ipad2 and Tab7.7 and after a lot of testing I've concluded that SuperAMOLED only offers better blacks, the rest is just a subjective preference like color saturation, even viewing angles are superior on the TF201 and Ipad2.
My primary usage is video playback then web browsing, Im also particular with white tones across all brightness levels and with my current Tab7.7 the white tones at low brightness are just horrible compared to the TF201, Tab10.1 and Ipad2
Anyone with extended experience on the said devices can share their opinions between the PLS on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 vs the IPS on the Ipad2 or TF201?
BUMP for my post, how does the Tab 10.1's screen perform in terms of movie viewing?
EarlZ said:
BUMP for my post, how does the Tab 10.1's screen perform in terms of movie viewing?
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Pretty good when the brightness is turned all the way up, This being on Dice Player @ 255/255, Better contrast and color, I think Bravia engine can be added to enhance the colors.
Misledz said:
Pretty good when the brightness is turned all the way up, This being on Dice Player @ 255/255, Better contrast and color, I think Bravia engine can be added to enhance the colors.
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about 95% of the time I use the device at the bed room, so 0-33% brightness might be up my alley. When you say better contrast and color is that in comparison to the Ipad2 screen ?
EarlZ said:
about 95% of the time I use the device at the bed room, so 0-33% brightness might be up my alley. When you say better contrast and color is that in comparison to the Ipad2 screen ?
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I watch a lot of series and some movies on my Tab while in bed and imo it's pretty great (especially when they're 720p ). It's almost always at night so no problems with the sun shining on the screen though. With the sun shining directly on the screen, I doubt you could really enjoy any movie ...
I have my brightness set somewhere between 50-100/255 on Dice Player, depending on the movie and if I have any lights on in the room.
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I watch a lot of series and some movies on my Tab while in bed and imo it's pretty great (especially when they're 720p ). It's almost always at night so no problems with the sun shining on the screen though. With the sun shining directly on the screen, I doubt you could really enjoy any movie ...
I have my brightness set somewhere between 50-100/255 on Dice Player, depending on the movie and if I have any lights on in the room.
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Yeah around daytime it's best on 255 but around night time I keep it to 150 or such, any higher at night is like an alien abduction
Hmm on a superamoled screen i keep it at 46 only. But that doesnt really matter as long as the whites in web pages remain white unlile oled.
EarlZ said:
Hmm on a superamoled screen i keep it at 46 only. But that doesnt really matter as long as the whites in web pages remain white unlile oled.
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I've been wondering the same too, On my desktop it shows XDA is creamish/pink but on the tablet it shows that xda is white o.o
Misledz said:
I've been wondering the same too, On my desktop it shows XDA is creamish/pink but on the tablet it shows that xda is white o.o
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Strange, it shows the same color for me both on computer and on the tablet. I *did* have the "white xda" problem in the past though, both on my desktop, laptop and tablet. Thought it had something to do with a faulty .css or something similar though, haven't seen it in a long while now.
What I mean is on low brightness levels the white tones on the SuperAMOLED screen becomes either grainy or may turn into yellowish,pinkish or blueish depending on the the screen you've got. Though movie quality is great I also noticed it makes an actual scene darker crushing detail.. Samsung tried to fix this with a different gamma profile on the Galaxy Note but it ends up giving blocky blacks.
I've come across a store demo unit and sadly I cant transfer over my media files, BT just takes to long and the Tab10.1 has no wifi direct.
Is backlight bleeding a common issue on the pls screen?
EarlZ said:
With the significant drop of SuperAMOLED quality control or just plain bad luck on my end I've decided to call it quits and look at other screen technologies and suffice to say the rumored Tab 11.6 is peaking my interest and probably that device will come with PLS.
I've had a chance to compare the Tab10.1 and Ipad2 but I really didn't do so extensively, I was comparing the TF201 , Ipad2 and Tab7.7 and after a lot of testing I've concluded that SuperAMOLED only offers better blacks, the rest is just a subjective preference like color saturation, even viewing angles are superior on the TF201 and Ipad2.
My primary usage is video playback then web browsing, Im also particular with white tones across all brightness levels and with my current Tab7.7 the white tones at low brightness are just horrible compared to the TF201, Tab10.1 and Ipad2
Anyone with extended experience on the said devices can share their opinions between the PLS on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 vs the IPS on the Ipad2 or TF201?
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PLS is plane line switching where as ips is in plane switching. The only difference between the Displays is the light thourough put is higher in Pls that ips hence the more vibrant colors and brighter backlight
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Asus Transformer Pad TF300

Will this be a section for the new Transformer Pad as well? I have one, and from what I was told the only difference is GPS fixes. Is that true as well?
The major differences between the TF201 and 300Tare a few small ones.
Performance mode for the 300T is 100Mhz slower than the TF201.Balanced and Power Savong modes are equal on the 300T and TF201.
The screen is still 1280x800, but it isn't a SuperIPS+ screen.Therefore it is not as bright and has a lower contrast.
The RAM in 300T is DDR3-667. The RAM in the TF201 is DDR2-500.
Finally, the battery is 3Whr smaller on the 300T than the TF201.
The 300 is Super IPS, not IPS+ it lacks the super bright mode.
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Parastie said:
The 300 is Super IPS, not IPS+ it lacks the super bright mode.
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This my friend is not entirely true. The 300 doesn´t have super IPS display just IPS
naira1 said:
This my friend is not entirely true. The 300 doesn´t have super IPS display just IPS
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exactly, plus its funny to see people assume superips+ is only adding a brighter display. its a completely newer tech than ips. it brings a sharper display along with better color representation. blacks are blacker, whites are whiter, etc.. google each one and you will see the superips+ is far superior to ips. it adds far more to making it better than just being brighter.
also 300 has only hardened glass. its not gorilla glass. asus left these type of things out of the 300 to save money.
also far more wider viewing angles on superips+ dislay. plus superips+ display is more efficient at saving energy. anandtech broke it down in his review of 300 saying its display was inefficient compared to prime. one reason why prime battery lasts alot longer aside from it being slightly larger.
does this mean that the transformer prime roms will be supported? I am thinking about purchasing one. I currently have a SGS i9000 and I love the great community here. If the current roms work, or are easy to adapt, it would really push me to get one. Thanks for any replies.
Will the pad get its own section then? and they discontinued the prime right?
Has anyone with a TF300 been able to determine if it is compatible with wireless N on the 5ghz band? And is the issue with simultaneous use of Bluetooth headsets, while streaming content via wifi resolved. I know on the Prime I had, if I was streaming video over wifi, and listening to it via Bluetooth headset, the netwtork connection would slowly diminish to nothing.
Separate thread need
I think there needs to be a separate thread for the 300.. Both transformers had their own prior to the launch.

Is the S3's screen to dim?

I think so.
I looked at a report that the S3 actually has a lower screen brightness then the S1!
"The Galaxy S3 uses a 1280 X 720, PenTile AMOLED screen, which is higher resolution, but dimmer than the Galaxy S1 and Galaxy S2 screens, Soneira said. The culprit seems to be power management: in trying to get decent battery life with its huge 4.8-inch display, Samsung had to turn the brightness down.
Power consumption figures bear that out. Samsung cut maximum display power from 2.1 watts on the Galaxy S2 to 1.3 watts on the Galaxy S3, dropping maximum brightness from 289 candelas per square meter to 224. The lower power usage, however, lets the S3 get solid battery life even with the larger screen: running time with the display on increased from 4.4 hours on the Galaxy S2 to 5.6 hours on the S3."
Qoute from a website ^
is there anyway to actually make the screen more visable? Like brighter? Its really annoying have this great phone and My older, LG 2X P990 has a brighter screen!
Thanks guys! Jack -
While I can't help you make it brighter, it's probably worth considering that display lifetime is probably also an important trade-off made by Samsung.
Even at the existing brightness, there are already some people complaining about display "burn-in" etc.
I would predict that any further increase in brightness would greatly increase the problems of burn-in and wear-out.
(Reason being that perception of brightness isn't linear, i.e. doubling the display power wouldn't make it look anywhere near twice as bright, yet would cause a dramatic increase in pixel fatigue and reduction in life)
fasty said:
While I can't help you make it brighter, it's probably worth considering that display lifetime is probably also an important trade-off made by Samsung.
Even at the existing brightness, there are already some people complaining about display "burn-in" etc.
I would predict that any further increase in brightness would greatly increase the problems of burn-in and wear-out.
(Reason being that perception of brightness isn't linear, i.e. doubling the display power wouldn't make it look anywhere near twice as bright, yet would cause a dramatic increase in pixel fatigue and reduction in life)
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Ah i see :/ its just annoying having a phone not as bright as my older phone... ahh well :/
This may help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1791163
JackHanAnLG said:
I think so.
I looked at a report that the S3 actually has a lower screen brightness then the S1! ....
is there anyway to actually make the screen more visable? Like brighter? Its really annoying have this great phone and My older, LG 2X P990 has a brighter screen!
Thanks guys! Jack -
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What is really annoying, it is the hypochondria of the users. They are buying phone, they are happy with it, but then, they have the REPORT.
It may state that S3 is slower than nokia 1100 (if dropped out from a jet plane because S3 is more flat and will glide).
It may state that S2 is fir with tiny screen compared to iSomething (to iPad, to be precise).
Not to mention that it may state that the battery is crappy compared to the Han Solo's communicator he used in Star Wars.
Jack, please take my advice:
first, sell your crappy S3.
secondly, please READ the reports, DIGG forums, and please: choose the phone which will make you happy.
last but not least: BUY only this device which you'll want, do NOT listen to your mum.
Well, outdoors, especially in bright sunlight, the GS3 screen is in deed too dim.
Maximum brightness is around 330 cd which is far less than the best LCDs offer these days. Those LCDs are bordering on 600 cd which is a massive advantage. Due to this, my next phone will one sporting a top-notch LCD. AMOLED has fallen behind the curve IMO.
spamtrash said:
What is really annoying, it is the hypochondria of the users. They are buying phone, they are happy with it, but then, they have the REPORT.
It may state that S3 is slower than nokia 1100 (if dropped out from a jet plane because S3 is more flat and will glide).
It may state that S2 is fir with tiny screen compared to iSomething (to iPad, to be precise).
Not to mention that it may state that the battery is crappy compared to the Han Solo's communicator he used in Star Wars.
Jack, please take my advice:
first, sell your crappy S3.
secondly, please READ the reports, DIGG forums, and please: choose the phone which will make you happy.
last but not least: BUY only this device which you'll want, do NOT listen to your mum.
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I wouldnt say it was crappy, i like it, its a beast, its just not as bright as i want it
Darkside Agent said:
This may help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1791163
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Thanks ill have a look right now!
JackHanAnLG said:
Thanks ill have a look right now!
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On maximum brightness the screen is more than enough really..
Just turn auto off and enjoy lovely colors, actual blacks and good brightness.
vkone said:
Well, outdoors, especially in bright sunlight, the GS3 screen is in deed too dim.
Maximum brightness is around 330 cd which is far less than the best LCDs offer these days. Those LCDs are bordering on 600 cd which is a massive advantage. Due to this, my next phone will one sporting a top-notch LCD. AMOLED has fallen behind the curve IMO.
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OLED doesn't need 600 nits of brightness. In fact, I don't even think that OLED should be measured that way because LCD's use a backlight which means it will win any brightness test easily. Just look at this picture for example.
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...q55UP-BG4GsiALEw4CgBA&ved=0CDMQ9QEwBg&dur=208
It shows that AMOLED can produce the same brightness as an LCD measuring about 100 less candela.
brand new S3 t999l here, perfect indoors, unusable in sunlight or overcast. For indoors use only, if no mod or fix to make the display brighter.
Hey guys I was thinking of upgrading the the galaxy s5, but specification wise, is it the same max brightness as the S3 ??
I mean, I really have a problem in the s3 being too dim even at maximum brightness when outdoors in the sun, so is the S5 specification wise, have the same max brightness as the s3 and face this problem?

How's the brightness of the G5?

Hi, I'm seriously considering buying the G5 since it has FM radio, fast charge 3.0 and of course a removable battery but my #1 concern in buying a phone is the brightness since I'm using my phone a lot outside and I wouldn't even consider to buy a phone with an average brightness like the G4 or the nexus 6p.
I have the gs5 and the problem is that in order to see something outside I have to put the brightness all the way up and that's pretty much killed my phone since I have a disgusting burn in all over the screen where the keyboard and the status bar are so Amoled is a big issue for me since it's basically always on maximum brightness which basically kills the display very fast (I could see burn in after 2 months from buying the device!).
So my question is how bright is the display on the G5? Also does the fact that it has the S820 means that there will be a lot of custom roms and development like in the Samsung Galaxy series?
Thanks
Double of LG G4
The phone hasn't been released or properly reviewed yet, but I've seen at least one early hands on mention that the screen was insanely bright. This would definitely be an improvement over their previous screens if true.
The G5 at %50 should be almost as bright as the G4 at %100, which is quite bright. I like a bright screen and keep my G4 at %80.
thanks for the answers but is there an actual test that shows how much Nits this phone gets when it's on maximum brightness? basically my fear is that i will buy this phone and it will be bad in outside usage because of the screen or that the phone will die after a year of usage.
i know that LG is a bad company and their products are trash but do you think they changed things with the G5? is it safe to buy in your opinion?
someone261 said:
thanks for the answers but is there an actual test that shows how much Nits this phone gets when it's on maximum brightness? basically my fear is that i will buy this phone and it will be bad in outside usage because of the screen or that the phone will die after a year of usage.
i know that LG is a bad company and their products are trash but do you think they changed things with the G5? is it safe to buy in your opinion?
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It's safe since the G2
On the German LG Site you can find these Information: 1.440 x 2.560 Pixel (Quad HD), 554 ppi, 800 Nit, Gorilla Glass 4, GPU Adreno 530
I think it's more than enough. :cyclops:
Oh wow 800 nits seems too good to be true I hope it's real
I've read it's closer to 900 nits. Either way, it should be plenty bright.
Lol I think they should also include a spare motherboard in the box just in case
I found this, which looks pretty good:
http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-g5-vs-lg-g4-674756
"Covering the proximity sensor will shut the screen off entirely, saving power when the phone is in your pocket, and nudging it will make the Always-On display slightly brighter. Speaking of brightness, on paper the LG G5 almost doubles the G4’s maximum brightness of 455 nits, pumping out 900 nits at max brightness, although in our experience they looked very similar. The LG G5 had more stable viewing angles than the G4 though. In terms of pixel density, the G5 crams 554 pixels per inch (ppi) into its slightly smaller display compared to the G4’s 534 ppi."
So it's 900 nits on paper but the same as G4 if you put them side by side? Something is wrong here
And the lowest possible brightness is? How dark can the screen go?
I very much look forward:fingers-crossed:
iMaterial said:
And the lowest possible brightness is? How dark can the screen go?
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Off..
on my S5 the lowest brightness is very very low and that's so great when i'm using it at night but i'm not expecting it to happen on LCD since Amoled is a much more superior technology.
I wouldn't say AMOLED is more superior. It has more saturated colors, better blacks, and uses less power when dark colors are displayed.
LED/IPS tends to have more natural colors, better whites, is sharper, and best of all, no burn in.
It's subjective.
Yes but eventually all manufacturers will move to Amoled displays and will ditch LCD.
Nice!
And that saddens me. AMOLED shouldn't be as highly praised as it is when it has a major flaw, such as burn in.
I know there are many who claim they use their AMOLED screen a ton and have never had burn in but I just think they aren't looking close enough. Tons have admitted to faint burn in, at the least, within six months and that is unacceptable to me for a $600+ device.
I wish manufacturers let you choose which kind of screen you wanted, similar to a Motomaker type of thing.
well to be honest my Nexus 7 2013 had LCD and one time it freeze and became really really hot and after i restarted it the tablet had something similar to a burn in with Amoled and it was permanent, i guess LCD doesn't like heat.
my moto 360 also has LCD display and 6 months ago i hit it against the wall and since then i also have a permanent mark on my moto 360 display, i guess the LCD got damaged from the inside.

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