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Im currently using CM9 latest nightly, but as much as I love AOSP, I never feels as smooth as samsung based roms. Why is that? Kernel? Drivers? Optimizations?
If its kernel, which is (Opinion based) the smoothest available?
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Im looking for the smoothest experience, is there a kernel or any t
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ATM cm9 roms have a bit touch issue, so it feels like its not smooth
But when their wasn't any touch issue then people said its much smoother than stock
once you taste aosp ics you never go back
just wait till it hit stable and samsung rom wont even come close
^^^ Thats how I feel. But im kinda picky, thats why I brought it up. I noticed the touch issue and its part of the issue IMO. But can Exynos drivers/optimizations also be contributing? because stock ICS roms get much better framerate in the GPU tests than CM9 (never mind the overall score) So maybe the CPU isnt being used to its full potential
I flashed a buddys Vibrant with Passion ICS and also noticed that a single core 512mb ram last gen phone felt smoother than my exynos monster. Same goes to the Vivid when i tried one at the ATT store that had the ICS update. When i flipped the homescreen carrusell in Sense, it was like when I first saw a motionflow 120hz TV
Hope things get sorted out because I love AOSP and would never want to go back to the cartoony TW
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mike21pr said:
^^^ Thats how I feel. But im kinda picky, thats why I brought it up. I noticed the touch issue and its part of the issue IMO. But can Exynos drivers/optimizations also be contributing? because stock ICS roms get much better framerate in the GPU tests than CM9 (never mind the overall score) So maybe the CPU isnt being used to its full potential
I flashed a buddys Vibrant with Passion ICS and also noticed that a single core 512mb ram last gen phone felt smoother than my exynos monster. Same goes to the Vivid when i tried one at the ATT store that had the ICS update. When i flipped the homescreen carrusell in Sense, it was like when I first saw a motionflow 120hz TV
Hope things get sorted out because I love AOSP and would never want to go back to the cartoony TW
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most of the fixes like video recording were done in hurry ,noobes flaming etc
now the devs are working on cleaning and optimizing the code now
http://codeworkx.de/wordpress/2012/03/30/cm9-status-for-galaxy-s-ii/
You can try with another ROM, I'm currently in Thebyani 3.7 it uses Siyah v3.0rc1 kernel and Vertumus Theme.
Its really smooth and fast and the look it's very AOSP, no TW bloat.
I've just been trying out GT-I9100_XEU_I9100XWLP7_I9100XXLPS_I9100XEULP5.tar from Infratech's stock ROM thread for the last day or so and have found it slow. Often I'll touch the screen and nothing will register or it will take a full second or so to respond. Starting apps can sometimes take up to two seconds before it seems to register. Scrolling long lists in various apps can sometimes show a small amount of lag on Gingerbread, but on this ROM it's horrific.
This can't be right can it? Is anyone else finding this? If this is progress in the name of ICS, I'll stick with GB.
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I've just been trying out GT-I9100_XEU_I9100XWLP7_I9100XXLPS_I9100XEULP5.tar from Infratech's stock ROM thread for the last day or so and have found it slow. Often I'll touch the screen and nothing will register or it will take a full second or so to respond. Starting apps can sometimes take up to two seconds before it seems to register. Scrolling long lists in various apps can sometimes show a small amount of lag on Gingerbread, but on this ROM it's horrific.
This can't be right can it? Is anyone else finding this? If this is progress in the name of ICS, I'll stick with GB.
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I don't know about stock rooms but I'm on cm9 the latest nightly and its pretty slick to be honest. I can't wait until the wake locks are sorted but I just love it! I hate anything of Sammy stock firmware I think they are kind of clueless in that department but good in the hardware side of things. Also people have been talking about Sammy working on android 4.0.4 so that should fix any issues. Hope I helped you mate
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I've been on cm9 for the last few months, and I have just dual-booted lp9 Samsung ICS rom yesterday, and I just couldn't believe how slow and laggy everything was in Samsung ICS rom compered to cm9 and Samsung gingerbread rom. The browser was horrendously laggy compared to Samsung gingerbread roms and the same issues as described by the OP. Also, the scrolling mechanism was just screwed up beyond belief. I really like the idea of switching between cm9 and Samsung roms when I feel like change, but at the moment I find all ICS Samsung roms, just unusable after using cm9. I hope Samsung fixes this mess in their next major update.
ICS 4.0.3 is not 100%
ICS 4.0.3 is not 100% perfect couple of issue are there.
Waiting for Samsung to Release 4.0.4 which will address many issues that are present in 4.0.3.
cm9 to me is draging ics behind it, when ics is improved cm9 will be mint ,im still on Gb but will flash when it gets up to 4.1.0 etc, i dont want these bugs in my daily life.
I'm using LP7, tweaked some cosmetic stuff, and I find it very fast and responsive. A friend recently changed from GB 2.3.6 to ICS 4.0.3 official via Kies and said (his words, not mine): its a whole new smartphone.
try cm9 buddy, best rom ive used atm
or you can try hydrogenics, its basically the same with some added tweaks.
Resurrection v1.8
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ICS is smooth for me, very smooth. Don't use AOKP roms since lgcamera doesn't work well with them yet. Battery life is worse than sammy based roms as well, plus no dialer codes work. The only LAG I've gotten is with Quickpic. Don't know what the difference is between Quickpic on GB and this one on ICS but swiping across photos lags like hell and yet the stock gallery is now smooth like cream
For me, ICS is smooth as a baby's bottom, as long I stay on stock kernel. Once I flash a custom kernel, smoothness goes south. For this reason, although I like the fast charging feature in Siyah, I have to stay on stock.
dialer codes are working for me
cm9 is smooth as hell and more than stable for normal usage
yes, it is laggy. little better using Siyah.
No issues whatsoever when using AOKP roms. Try changing kernels.
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Using Resurrection ROM 1.8.1. It is buttery smooth with excellent battery life.
Stock Samsung laggy
CM9 stable and smooth but battery life is so shocking to use for daily life
I don't have a choice right now then wait for stock 4.0.4 samsung rom...
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ICS is smooth for me, very smooth. Don't use AOKP roms since lgcamera doesn't work well with them yet. Battery life is worse than sammy based roms as well, plus no dialer codes work. The only LAG I've gotten is with Quickpic. Don't know what the difference is between Quickpic on GB and this one on ICS but swiping across photos lags like hell and yet the stock gallery is now smooth like cream
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Try the app "Gallery ICS", you can foun on market
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DramatikBeats said:
ICS is smooth for me, very smooth. Don't use AOKP roms since lgcamera doesn't work well with them yet. Battery life is worse than sammy based roms as well, plus no dialer codes work. The only LAG I've gotten is with Quickpic. Don't know what the difference is between Quickpic on GB and this one on ICS but swiping across photos lags like hell and yet the stock gallery is now smooth like cream
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I found a ROM that was receiving a lot of praise, called AndyX. It's using Siyah kernel if I remember right. I tried it and it was actually very good, nice and smooth, no complaints. It also has the ICS look I was expecting to see which was quite nice. You mention lgcamera not working on AOKP ROMs - I'd never heard of AOKP but have just done a quick google and may see what's kicking around for the S2. I know this is the wrong thread, but it's thanks to you I can now record video in 720p without in looking like a slideshow (lgcamera tips in another thread)
So, in summary, my initial choice entering the world of ICS just turned out to be a dud and there's hope yet.
EDIT: I may well go back to AndyX for a bit.. I had to restore to my normal GB ROM because I changed governor in AndyX and now the phone freezes before I can unlock it
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Try the app "Gallery ICS", you can foun on market
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Going to give it a try. Something tells me it won't be able to hide folders like Quickpic or Fishbowl Gallery though
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I found a ROM that was receiving a lot of praise, called AndyX. It's using Siyah kernel if I remember right. I tried it and it was actually very good, nice and smooth, no complaints. It also has the ICS look I was expecting to see which was quite nice. You mention lgcamera not working on AOKP ROMs - I'd never heard of AOKP but have just done a quick google and may see what's kicking around for the S2. I know this is the wrong thread, but it's thanks to you I can now record video in 720p without in looking like a slideshow (lgcamera tips in another thread)
So, in summary, my initial choice entering the world of ICS just turned out to be a dud and there's hope yet.
EDIT: I may well go back to AndyX for a bit.. I had to restore to my normal GB ROM because I changed governor in AndyX and now the phone freezes before I can unlock it
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AOKP is based off CM9 with other mods flung in (Look at Resurrection Remix or Hydrogenics) and they both run smooth. However I NEED lgcamera unless I get horrible FPS in the camera (looks like you know what I'm talking about lol). Just so you know, 1080p does work as well without lag just in case you didn't notice. I do prefer 720p though. No automatic zoom in like 1080p. I used to be on AndyX rom, quite some time ago actually
I came from Gingerbread KL1 & updated to LPG, gotta say even though I had the phone for 4 days (on GB) the lag is very much noticeable on ICS! The phone was just blazing quick everywhere but it just *feels* different now...
ICS 4.0.3 official works the best!
ICS 4.0.3 official works the best!
I just had two SGS2's side by side to compare. A completely stock one (GB) against my rooted SGS2 with HyDrOG3NiCs rom and latest siyah kernel (Force GPU 2D rendering + Overclocked GPU profile) and the stock one was just smoother and snappier while scrolling between homescreens and through the application menu. I have some apps installed (1 time widget +2email widgets + 4 shortcuts on the homescreen + 8 shortcuts on another homescreen). While the other one is completely stock (and seems to have just as many apps in the application menu as me)
I've tried several ICS ROMs so far and they all seemed the same (speed wise). Does everyone experience this? Wasnt ICS supposed to make android f aster?
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I just had two SGS2's side by side to compare. A completely stock one (GB) against my rooted SGS2 with HyDrOG3NiCs rom and latest siyah kernel (Force GPU 2D rendering + Overclocked GPU profile) and the stock one was just smoother and snappier while scrolling between homescreens and through the application menu. I have some apps installed (1 time widget +2email widgets + 4 shortcuts on the homescreen + 8 shortcuts on another homescreen). While the other one is completely stock (and seems to have just as many apps in the application menu as me)
I've tried several ICS ROMs so far and they all seemed the same (speed wise). Does everyone experience this? Wasnt ICS supposed to make android f aster?
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ICS was slower in the beginning but I can say that now it is smoother than GB! The only thing that is better on GB is battery life
ICS = lags - slower than iphone 4
Stock GB = smoother than iphone 4
I tried many different ROMs like wanamlite/spike pure ICS/resurrection remix/MIUI/and now on hydrogenics... not one of them was as fast as GB...
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I just had two SGS2's side by side to compare. A completely stock one (GB) against my rooted SGS2 with HyDrOG3NiCs rom and latest siyah kernel (Force GPU 2D rendering + Overclocked GPU profile) and the stock one was just smoother and snappier while scrolling between homescreens and through the application menu. I have some apps installed (1 time widget +2email widgets + 4 shortcuts on the homescreen + 8 shortcuts on another homescreen). While the other one is completely stock (and seems to have just as many apps in the application menu as me)
I've tried several ICS ROMs so far and they all seemed the same (speed wise). Does everyone experience this? Wasnt ICS supposed to make android f aster?
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AOSP based roms have sticky scrolling and GB roms have free flow scrolling
That might be the reason you find one slow and one faster
But honestly ics is not yet fully optimized as android 2.1 was slow but 2.2 and 2.3 brought HUGE difference
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ICS = lags - slower than iphone 4
Stock GB = smoother than iphone 4
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id suggest you change your ics rom
ics used to be laggy, it isnt anymore and the samsung roms have the same scrolling as GB did.
Yes I agree, I have stock ICS now and before a few days I saw my aunts SG2 she doesnt update it usually so she has GB and I realised its much much smoother , but I think with time it will get better.
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id suggest you change your ics rom
ics used to be laggy, it isnt anymore and the samsung roms have the same scrolling as GB did.
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So i have to flash only stock samsung ROMs to get the smooth experience? Isn't flashing a pure ICS rom supposed to be even lighter (hence faster?)?
And if you suggest I do so, change my rom to what?
I've been using Android since 1.5 on the g1 have since used many different handsets and versions of Android. for me, scrolling had never been as smooth and responsive as it is now on my gs2. I'm using aokp foxhound and it's definitely better than any gingerbread ROM I've used on it. It's especially better than my step moms brand new stock gs2. Sorry to disagree.
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So i have to flash only stock samsung ROMs to get the smooth experience? Isn't flashing a pure ICS rom supposed to be even lighter (hence faster?)?
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Correct, Samsung-based is way smoother than AKxP-based Roms.
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So i have to flash only stock samsung ROMs to get the smooth experience? Isn't flashing a pure ICS rom supposed to be even lighter (hence faster?)?
And if you suggest I do so, change my rom to what?
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well i never said only to flash stock samsung roms, i said roms based from samsung are smooth. Personally ive found vk rom and neat rom to be very smooth and fast but each rom im trying on XWLPD, XWLPF and XWLPG seem to be pretty smooth to me. Im not gonna get into a whats the best rom discussion though, just need to read through and try some.
sahibunlimited said:
AOSP based roms have sticky scrolling and GB roms have free flow scrolling
That might be the reason you find one slow and one faster
But honestly ics is not yet fully optimized as android 2.1 was slow but 2.2 and 2.3 brought HUGE difference
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If the scrolling smoothness of GB is what you're after may I suggest the excellent Fluxxi kernel found under Original Development. You can change the scrolling behavior to mimic that of GB. Read the faqs, flash it on top of your aosp rom of choice, and off you go
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Correct, Samsung-based is way smoother than AKxP-based Roms.
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1. What about Nexus ICS roms on SGS2?
2. Can I use custom launchers on samsung based roms to get the ICS look?
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1. What about Nexus ICS roms on SGS2?
2. Can I use custom launchers on samsung based roms to get the ICS look?
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neatrom with vertumus ics theme, apex launcher and siyah kernal is perfect for me
you need to remember the system requirements for ICS, its a lot more powerful, ive got an htc one x quadcore and that runs ics sooooo smoooooth.
Yes, gb is smoother, but gb is also less demanding and buggy, i do still prefer gb, but to balance it out, ICS is now at a point where its an acceptable daily driver with very little in the way of issues, its pretty smooth, its nice to look at and it works a lot better than gb on the internet tethering side which i use a lot, so, Ics would deff come first for me.
Forget ics, the big question is what will jellybean bring to the table, and will the s2 run it comfortably or not, i know were not far of seeing JB roll out to the first devices, i suspect the likes of the Note and the S2 and the S3 will be on the list for an update, from what ive read its due sometime end of the year.
kitecarl said:
If the scrolling smoothness of GB is what you're after may I suggest the excellent Fluxxi kernel found under Original Development. You can change the scrolling behavior to mimic that of GB. Read the faqs, flash it on top of your aosp rom of choice, and off you go
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I flashed that kernel but cannot find the scrolling options mimic ability in xx tweaks
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I flashed that kernel but cannot find the scrolling options mimic ability in xx tweaks
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Within xxtweaker go to Display, scroll all the way to the bottom and you'll see the Touchscreen settings. For Touch Presets choose xxKernel Gingerbread.
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Within xxtweaker go to Display, scroll all the way to the bottom and you'll see the Touchscreen settings. For Touch Presets choose xxKernel Gingerbread.
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I did that. No noticable difference at all :S
Well I'm on CM9 and I feel it is more smoother than GB
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Hi,
I have got an solution for Slow menu scrolling.
Just edit your build.prop file and change following value...
ro.max.fling_velocity=4000
Change 4000 to 8000 and see the scrolling.
Enjoy
**DISCLAIMERS**
This thread has no intention of attempting to complain, diminish, degrade, or criticize any developers on this forum or any of their work, as all of us are nothing but grateful for the amount of free, altruistic, and superior quality code that they provide us with. :good:
This thread has no intention of trying to reiterate the content of the "Butery Smoothness" thread found at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1814010 nor to define what "Buttery Smoothness" is, as the previous thread defines it well enough already through the posts and insight of multiple users.
This thread has been created with full knowledge and consideration of the alpha development stage that Android 4.1.1 is currently in and all content discussed in this thread is stated with regard to said knowledge and should only be perceived as an attempt to contribute to at least one of multiple bug fixes to further improve the state of Android 4.1.1 on the SGH-i717 for the good of all users
Purpose
The purpose of this thread is to solve the perceived lack of graphical smoothness and fluidity inside of Android 4.1.1 (Jelly Bean) on the SGH-i717 which has been noticed and reported by many users in multiple ROM's through the collaboration of information, ideas, and solutions between all users and developers.
Background
Many users have reported a significant lack of graphical performance in multiple Jelly Bean ROM's for the SGH-i717 in various scenarios such as home screen navigation, UI animations, and in-app scrolling where there is not only a user-noticeable drop in performance but a quantifiable drop in frame-rate. With Google's Project Butter being a highlight of Jelly Bean, the lack of smoothness in its current state for our device brings not only dismay but logical confusion as other, older devices with lower specifications (such as the Galaxy Nexus for example) perform better graphically than the SGH-i717 with higher specifications. The higher graphical performance in the older Ice Cream Sandwich indicates that the highlighted performance issue in Jelly Bean is not related to hardware incapability but to software utilization of the hardware.
I want to leave as little of my insight in this thread as possible because I want to hear from other users but I'll post some initial information and questions to provoke some response.
Ever since Jelly Bean development began, I've noticed this issue on my device and have even had a replacement device with the same experience so hardware isn't a likely culprit in my opinion. h0tw1r3 was one of the first developers to bring a Jelly Bean ROM to SGH-i717 users and other ROM's were formed briefly after his using it as a base. Until about the third or fourth build ( 8-21 I believe), the performance was sluggishly the same. After this build though, there was a noticeable increase in graphical performance, although still significantly behind ICS. That new standard hasn't changed much since until the latest CM10 nightly builds where I've noticed quite an increase in graphical performance putting it a little closer to ICS performance but still painfully behind such that Dolphin is the only browser that feels smooth enough to use efficiently.
I have also noticed an odd phenomenon where the performance varies from build to build without a noticeably significant change. For example, I remember using DaGr8's AOKP port for a while and finding it smoother than other ROM's at the time but once installing his next build (that only mentioned minor unrelated changes, although some could have been unlisted) the performance was back down again. I have experienced this with multiple different ROM's though which is what is most peculiar that there is so much inconsistency.
Helpful Questions
Have you noticed any of these issues before? If so, which ones?
Do you think the issue is hardware or software/driver related?
How would you compare your best JB experience to stable ICS builds?
Which processes/applications perform the best and the worst for you graphically?
Which ROM's run smooth for you and which ones don't?
Which browsers have you tried in Jelly Bean and which ones do you prefer the most?
Have you noticed graphical performance issues in Chrome consistently at all? If so, in which ROM's or instances have you experienced such?
Do you have any ideas/suggestions as to what is causing or what could fix this issue?
And regardless of the inevitable bugs we are experiencing in alpha software, are you extremely grateful for the developers who have provided us with them? (SAY YES!!)
If any of you would like to add more content or questions to this list (and PLEASE do), just ask them and I'll add them to this OP.
Suggestions and Modifications for Improvement (list will grow over time as new information is presented)
1) Verify that the "debug.mdpcomp.maxlayer" parameter in build.prop is set to the value of 3 and not 2 when you first install a ROM (thanks to NYConex for the tip!). Some developers/ROM chefs (lol) will customize this setting based on their preference. This setting disables (value 2) and enables (value 3) GPU acceleration taking the load off of the CPU. Disabling has fixed the flicker issue that has developed in Jelly Bean for many people but will severely impact performance and graphical smoothness as well as battery life potentially. For flickering, I instead recommend using a live wallpaper which will force the GPU to refresh the screen much more often disabling flicker (in the homescreen at least).
2)**ESSENTIAL FIX FOR SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT** Change the debug.composition.type in /system/build.prop from "dyn" to "gpu" and reboot. This makes a MAJOR difference in ALL areas of performance. The existing string that is entered by default is a "dynamic" setting which alternates putting the graphical load on either the GPU or CPU depending upon resource allocation. Changing the setting to "gpu" will force Android to constantly use the GPU for graphics so you won't notice stutter and lag as Android switches the load from the CPU and GPU. Using this setting also increases overall system speed IMMENSELY as it allows the CPU to do more central tasks like launching applications and communicating with hardware instead of handling the graphics. This "constant GPU setting" plays very nicely with Project Butter in the sense that it uses a constant component of hardware to render graphics along with the constant frame rate that VSync provides. I may try to learn how to make my first ROM sometime soon and when I do, I'll be sure and integrate this into the ROM. Either thank the post or let everyone know if this has helped you!
I have noticed that the liquid ROM as well as the most recent nightly (2 SEP) have been pretty smooth. Nova launcher works great and I don't really see a lot of lag outside the launchers. One thing that kinda brothers me is the lag that is introduced when you enable the nav bar. I don't know exactly what happens behind the scenes (other than it disable the hw keys and enables the soft keys) but it adds a lot of lag. Is there a way to monitor exactly what happens when doing things to your phone? When I use liquid it changes without a reboot but with cm10 I have to manually disable the hw keys so it requires a reboot. Anyone know what's going on with it?
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I have noticed that the liquid ROM as well as the most recent nightly (2 SEP) have been pretty smooth. Nova launcher works great and I don't really see a lot of lag outside the launchers. One thing that kinda brothers me is the lag that is introduced when you enable the nav bar. I don't know exactly what happens behind the scenes (other than it disable the hw keys and enables the soft keys) but it adds a lot of lag. Is there a way to monitor exactly what happens when doing things to your phone? When I use liquid it changes without a reboot but with cm10 I have to manually disable the hw keys so it requires a reboot. Anyone know what's going on with it?
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Good question. I know there are settings in Developer options that allow you to show GPU status and updates which may provide some insight into GPU/CPU utilization. I don't have an immediate answer for you though. I'll do some research and report back.
With the Liquid ROM, I noticed it to be of the poorest performance as others. Was your experience smooth out of the box or did you have to change the debug.mdcomp.maxlayer from 2 back to 3 first?
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I just tried the Liquid ROM again and realized the debug.mdpcomp.maxlayer setting was set to 2 by default in that ROM and after the changing it, the performance was much better, though about the same as CM10 nightlies.
The mdcomp.maxlayer is always the first thing I check after flashing a ROM. I always set it to 3. But if you go back to liquid try the navbar and you will see what I mean. In not home right now but when I get back I'll mess with it a little.
I'm on the Liquid ROM and I don't notice any lag. So i don't think anything needs fixed...since I dont have the problems u describe.
I use almost all aspects of the Note except little music and games.
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Try pulling down the notification drawer. Now sit there and tell me to my face its 60fps. No its not... its really choppy.
Fasty12 said:
Try pulling down the notification drawer. Now sit there and tell me to my face its 60fps. No its not... its really choppy.
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Lol damn right. I'd say its between 14-21 FPS variably.
Which ROM's have worked the best for you so far?
On mobile, had 2 scroll forever to read topic
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On mobile, had 2 scroll forever to read topic
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Are you saying that my OP is too long which made you scroll forever or are you saying that the lag in Jelly Bean cause you to scroll forever?
andrawer said:
I'm on the Liquid ROM and I don't notice any lag. So i don't think anything needs fixed...since I dont have the problems u describe.
I use almost all aspects of the Note except little music and games.
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Do you use Google Chrome? If so, how would you describe its performance in comparison to Ice Cream Sandwich?
The CM10 nightly has been the smoothest this far. So going by experience heres the rankings ATM.
1) Nightly... Smooth but constant flicker.
2) Liquid
2) Paranoid
3) Aokp
4) manualscout4life's rom.
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Try pulling down the notification drawer. Now sit there and tell me to my face its 60fps. No its not... its really choppy.
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not sure if i understand.
I use my thumb to initiate the notification bar/drawer pulling down and it's immediate and smooth?? Up/down/up/down/up/down...smooth...just tried it. Not even a hint of lag...and that's with 4 notifications waiting for me to do something.
The mentioned lag on jellybean compared to anything previous doesn't come from anything done by Google or issues with software but comes from the lack of hardware acceleration which we don't get to use with jellybean, so our device is not being used to the fullest, is known like previous versions of android when it comes out and ported , is not going to performed like it's supposed to until HWA becomes available. This is the performance drop in fps compared to ICS. Some think because is a newer version of android is going to be better performing out of the box, but that won't happen unless an official version with HWA becomes available or a developer figures out how to implement it into a ROM.
I think JB is amazing and smooth in the little time it has been out.
RoloRacer Paranoid on JellyBean
I agree about the sluggishness of JB at its current state, its normal since we don't have HW acceleration, I'm on Paranoid and flashed Flaps Hot kernel, OC'ed to 1.7Ghz and its performing really well, you should try it out
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I agree about the sluggishness of JB at its current state, its normal since we don't have HW acceleration, I'm on Paranoid and flashed Flaps Hot kernel, OC'ed to 1.7Ghz and its performing really well, you should try it out
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So when will we get hardware acceleration? When jb officially comes out for the note?
roloracer said:
The mentioned lag on jellybean compared to anything previous doesn't come from anything done by Google or issues with software but comes from the lack of hardware acceleration which we don't get to use with jellybean, so our device is not being used to the fullest, is known like previous versions of android when it comes out and ported , is not going to performed like it's supposed to until HWA becomes available. This is the performance drop in fps compared to ICS. Some think because is a newer version of android is going to be better performing out of the box, but that won't happen unless an official version with HWA becomes available or a developer figures out how to implement it into a ROM.
I think JB is amazing and smooth in the little time it has been out.
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This has been my thought and awareness all along and what I've wanted to work on repairing. Perhaps it's everyone's use of the term "smooth" that is making everything amiss. When people boast that their JB experiences are "incredibly smooth!" and even more specifically "smoother than ICS!" I think they are making very fallible statements because I don't think that my perception of JB being behind ICS in smoothness can be interpreted as just a "difference in opinion or interpretation". It's definitely factual and quantifiable when testing frame rates and comparing them to ICS. Perhaps it's safe to say that "Jelly Bean is remarkably usable right now considering its alpha state", but to say that it is smooth is quite a fallacy. It's really not much better than Gingerbread and Gingerbread lacked HW acceleration altogether.
But if JB lacks hardware acceleration completely, then how is toggling the maxlayer setting and HW overlay setting in developer options clearly affecting performance if HW acceleration isn't even supported at all in the first place? Some sort of acceleration is clearly being enabled for the evident difference in performance to occur.
I am grateful that you recognize JB's current state to be behind and also attribute it to HW acceleration as I initially did. Now we can hopefully gain some momentum on finding the hindrance of bringing HW acceleration to JB!
If there's anything we've learned thus far, it's not to label a ROM officially "smooth" unless you can prove it greater than or equal to stable ICS builds with quantifiable means!
The word "smooth" is beginning to become a profanity for me, which is rather extreme, as there aren't many words I don't say! Lol...
Everyone should read this.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...roject-butter-how-it-works-and-what-it-added/
Jb runs exceptionally well for me with just the 2 buffers. Are all the animations perfect every single time? No, but it's perfectly usable, and slick enough for my dd. I'm sure it will be sorted in time.
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So far the smoothest jb rom for me has been dagr8's aokp Sept 1 build.
HW overlays are disabled and cpu at stock frequencies. Running Nova 1.2.2 and have fluid home screen transitions and overall smoothness.
If I were to nitpick, the notification bar is the only thing that seems somewhat sluggish but only when I pull it down on the home screen (I am running a live wallpaper.)
No reboots or sleep of deaths so far, loving this rom at the moment.
yollasho said:
Everyone should read this.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...roject-butter-how-it-works-and-what-it-added/
Jb runs exceptionally well for me with just the 2 buffers. Are all the animations perfect every single time? No, but it's perfectly usable, and slick enough for my dd. I'm sure it will be sorted in time.
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Really interesting read, thanks for sharing!
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Fasty12 said:
So when will we get hardware acceleration? When jb officially comes out for the note?
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Yep, or that a developer taps on how to get HW acceleration
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We've had hardware acceleration.
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I have been looking at my girlfriends brand new S3 with stock firmware and i have noticed that ICS is actually smoother than every JB leak i have installed and also smoother than my Omega 26 Rom. My Omega 26 Rom has all of the bloat removed and it doesnt make any difference.
In fact i would go as far to say that hers is smoother than mine!
Im starting to think that all this Rooting and Flashing causes more problems than it might solve!
Smoothness doesn't necessarily mean speed though
Eg. Reset transition speeds to 1 if you have them on 0.5 is a good way of demonstrating what I mean
slaphead20 said:
Smoothness doesn't necessarily mean speed though
Eg. Reset transition speeds to 1 if you have them on 0.5 is a good way of demonstrating what I mean
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Thought I'd find you lurking around here spouting 8ollox.....
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irzero said:
I have been looking at my girlfriends brand new S3 with stock firmware and i have noticed that ICS is actually smoother than every JB leak
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I've noticed the exact opposite. My girlfriend's phone seems so sluggish with stock ICS compared with my JB ROM. I think JB has been really snappy since at least LI6.
irzero said:
I have been looking at my girlfriends brand new S3 with stock firmware and i have noticed that ICS is actually smoother than every JB leak i have installed and also smoother than my Omega 26 Rom. My Omega 26 Rom has all of the bloat removed and it doesnt make any difference.
In fact i would go as far to say that hers is smoother than mine!
Im starting to think that all this Rooting and Flashing causes more problems than it might solve!
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I kinda get what youre saying. I have 3 devices on which I have the new cm10, dli8 and lh1. LH1 wins in all categories except for jellybean smootness of the dli8 leak. ICS is still king.
remember, these are still leaks, may still be bugs...
No. The jellybean is smoother. And cm10 is waaaay faster
People just have different ideas of smoothness. Some people think the Galaxy Nexus with Jelly Bean is smoother than the GS3 with ICS, not a chance, Some stupid people even think that the Iphone 3Gs is smoother than the GS3, which is just plain retarded. Some people think that the iphone 4 and 4s kill even the high end Androids in smoothness, wrong again. Some people think that sense 4.0 isn't a stuttery mess and that the One X is actually close in performance to the GS3, you guessed it, wrong.
Just go with your eyes.
If i were to hazard a guess. AOSP probably has about 30 frames of animation that just cycle every half a second, locked at 60fps. While touchwiz has like 40 frames of animation or more that is usually locked 60fps but not always like JB. So yeah, during the times that ICS touchwiz is at 60 fps, it should appear smoother.
Basically if ICS doesn't drop below 60fps or have memory que issues then technically we wouldn't see project butter. We don't even technically see it. We only notice it when the system chugs, and if project butter kicks in properly, we won't even see that. lol
Well its subjective, you need to ask yourself what do you mean by smoothness? For me its fast respons when opening apps and having no lag or stutterings. For this JB leak li8 does the job
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people keep raving about how smooth the iphone is but it's noticeably slower than android, esp the high end ones.. the smoothness is just there to cover the lags
I have owned 5 iPhone's and I can tell you now that ios strongest point is the consistently fast transitions. You can move around the OS 10x faster than android. Android is filled with loads of pointless animations and transitions that just make it slower.
I found my problem to be a widget called application manager. It caused a stutter in my transition from Page to Page. I minimised this and now it's smooth.
But I'd still argue that there is no difference between my girlfriends ICS and my JB
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