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I have searched everywhere to find exactly what Qualcomm processor is actually inside the flyer because I am confused for three good reasons...
1, even in the official HTC Flyer spec it just states 1.5Ghz processor (no chip number)
2, most reviews I've seen are just copying what they have seen in other reviews stating a 'single-core' Qualcomm Snapdragon processor but this then leads me to item 3.....
3, Qualcomm only make single-core Snapdragon processors to a max speed of 1.4Ghz, the only 1.5Ghz units are the MSM8260 and the MSM8660 which are both dual-core asynchronous CPU's which are more power efficient than a synchronous Tegra2 that cannot shut down the second core when not used.
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Ref: http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/specs
Any one explain this?
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HTC flyer has an overclocked 8255 at 1.5 GHZ. which is a second generation snapdragon with adreno 205 CPU. It is found in the HTc Desire HD aka HTC inspire, tmobile g2, and some more.
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While I welcome your posts guys, please follow my example and post an actual, FACTUAL reference to your comments to show where your information came from, HTC preferable as they sell the darn things, not some dudes blog.
Dont want UK newspaper type gossip stuff.
Anyone got any photos of the actual chip in the Flyer?
It would not suprise me if the print had been physically removed....
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Even found this, a full open of the Flyer...
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-htc-flyer/6256123
But still no sign of a CPU, only one unknown chip hidden by screening.
Strange....
Farsquidge said:
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Even found this, a full open of the Flyer...
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-htc-flyer/6256123
But still no sign of a CPU, only one unknown chip hidden by screening.
Strange....
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Interesting... Well the breakdown is there for you to follow. Report back when you figure out what's under the metal shielding. . Maybe its the Samsung chip?
The article criicizes the tablet for a smartphone design... Which I disagree with. My thoughts are the device doesn't have the 10" space to NOT stack components on top of each other. And why reinvent the wheel? When youhave successful phones, why not bank on your expertise?
Anyway back to the subject, I'm pretty happy with the device. Not too concerned about what's under the covers, because quite frankly it performs well with the overclocked snapdragon... The device's pen integration and more "openess" of Android is what retired my iPad.
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While I welcome your posts guys, please follow my example and post an actual, FACTUAL reference to your comments to show where your information came from, HTC preferable as they sell the darn things, not some dudes blog.
Dont want UK newspaper type gossip stuff.
Anyone got any photos of the actual chip in the Flyer?
It would not suprise me if the print had been physically removed....
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Why your welcome Mr. Rude. Mine came from info off my tab itself. If you want more open yours up and find out for yourself.
T120ted said:
Why your welcome Mr. Rude. Mine came from info off my tab itself. If you want more open yours up and find out for yourself.
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Never seen a Snapdragon processor that quotes an ARM architecture type on its surface!
And childish name calling is not in the spirit of this forum....
All I'm trying to determine here is whether HTC may be using one core of a dual-core chip that may improve Honeycomb.
Farsquidge said:
Never seen a Snapdragon processor that quotes an ARM architecture type on its surface!
And childish name calling is not in the spirit of this forum....
All I'm trying to determine here is whether HTC may be using one core of a dual-core chip that may improve Honeycomb.
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Preety sure it is single core. If it was dual core they would certainly advertise it as such as a selling point.
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Farsquidge said:
Never seen a Snapdragon processor that quotes an ARM architecture type on its surface!
And childish name calling is not in the spirit of this forum....
All I'm trying to determine here is whether HTC may be using one core of a dual-core chip that may improve Honeycomb.
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It makes no sense for HTC to disable one core of a dual core chip.
tommyz2kool said:
It makes no sense for HTC to disable one core of a dual core chip.
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Unless for some reason they could not get Google certification on Gingerbread unless they did!
This is pure speculation but, what if HTC designed the Flyer to originally use an MSM8260 or 8660 as the Puccini is going to use with Honeycomb, found out that they could not get Sense integrated into Honeycomb in time for distribution, THEN found out that Google would not certify it for Gingerbread unless it was a single-core system?
It just seems strange that they will have (if and when we get HC) two tablets out within a year, both with HC, one 7" one 10" but with different processors.
If if if... for someone who wants hard facts your head sure is in the clouds.
I'd prefer to have a dual core, but my flyer is flying fast enough for me to be happy.
So is it a single or dual???? I'm confused...LOL...
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trucaliber said:
If if if... for someone who wants hard facts your head sure is in the clouds.
I'd prefer to have a dual core, but my flyer is flying fast enough for me to be happy.
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So long as everyone identifies fact and speculation, there is no problem is there?
Yes, I would prefer a dual-core myself if we have an update to HC coming.
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So is it a single or dual???? I'm confused...LOL...
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Yep, me too!! That's the whole point of this thread.
The chip was made by Qualcomm. I'm not trying to rain on your parade or be rude. Thinking it is a Sammy chip is a little out there. At the time this was developed Sammy was to busy laying in bed with Apple making chips for their eyepads. If it were a dual core chip let's just say for the fun of it, this would be some hell of a dual core to be clocked at 1.5ghz before the second core gets activated. Not even gonna happen. There's not enough of any kind of heatsink inside this thing to keep that kinda heat down on a regular basis. Just my two cents but heh, everyone has to have some kinda pipe dream. This single core blows the doors off all the duals out there. I'm happy as it is.
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This is pure speculation but, what if HTC designed the Flyer to originally use an MSM8260 or 8660 as the Puccini is going to use with Honeycomb, found out that they could not get Sense integrated into Honeycomb in time for distribution, THEN found out that Google would not certify it for Gingerbread unless it was a single-core system?
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Why wouldn't google certify it? There are plenty of dual core phones with gingerbread..
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Why wouldn't google certify it? There are plenty of dual core phones with gingerbread..
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Not sure myself but I know it's not a phone and it could be (maybe HTC didn't want to reduce their phone sales, to the chagrin of most of us) so that may change things.... It was only speculation.
Although Archos had the same certification problem with their Gen8 units because they left out phone, GPS and rear camera.
Honeycomb however is specifically targeted at tablets, so Google will certify without phone function leading me to think the Flyer was really designed for that in mind but they never got it skinned in time for release.
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The chip was made by Qualcomm. I'm not trying to rain on your parade or be rude. Thinking it is a Sammy chip is a little out there. At the time this was developed Sammy was to busy laying in bed with Apple making chips for their eyepads. If it were a dual core chip let's just say for the fun of it, this would be some hell of a dual core to be clocked at 1.5ghz before the second core gets activated. Not even gonna happen. There's not enough of any kind of heatsink inside this thing to keep that kinda heat down on a regular basis. Just my two cents but heh, everyone has to have some kinda pipe dream. This single core blows the doors off all the duals out there. I'm happy as it is.
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You are perhaps thinking of standard PC type CPU's not mobile ones.
The new low-power 45nM dual-core Snapdragons ARE asynchronous ( each core has independent clock and voltage supplies) , are 1.5GHZ, and don't need large heatsinks....
Ref: http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/snapdragon-msm8x60-apq8060-product-brief
And yes, I'm also happy with the Flyer as it is, it's overall performance and UI is better than anything else I've tried.
But, as you say, it may be a pipe dream. But (here we go again, sorry) what would owners do at this moment if HTC had announced a dual-core Flyer only using one core? They wouldn't be very happy would they...
And what will people say when suddenly we get Honeycomb with dual-core? They wouldn't complain then...
Yep, I am probably dreaming but wouldn't it be nice if they pull that rabbit out of the hat.
According to Qualcomm it is an MSM8x55. You can find more info here at the same link you posted in the OP:
http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/specs
Scroll down about halfway where it talks about High Performance Smartphones and Tablets and it mentions the Flyer near the bottom of the section.
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Nvidia already has the Kal-El near complete.
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What's the point of this thread?
Technically, all the "dual core" phones have been tri-core all along... there's a tiny third arm core hidden inside, controlling the radio!
And yeah, nVidia is more than likely going to be the first to get tri and quad core processors, they appear to have by far the most aggressive roadmap. They'll likely also appear first in tablets, before phones (at least that's the sane thing to do!), but which manufacturer will be first out the door is a total crapshoot.
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I'd imagine the same "point" as the "Who's going to be the first company to use THz Processors" (except slightly less insane- still pointless, though).
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There is no point... just another general bs thread by enyo
Who cares? When somebody gets a hold of them everybody will, and they will be the next standard thing in high end phones. It will probably be a while before anything like that will be worth it though, some people need to spend less time on battery-consuming chips and more time on making batteries last longer.
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End of this year. Most possibly a Google phone.
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While is sounds fun, I'm not sure people consider the power required. More processors requires more power, that's fairly obvious, and the performance benefit may not really be worthwhile. Android has a way to go in terms of performance compared to the iPhone.
I have to give the iPhone props in this dept. The interface is incredibly snappy in terms of responsiveness. Animations are simply smoother (think when pulling down the notification pane or flipping through app pages) (than 2.2 anyway) and there are fewer laggy moments, at least from what I've seen.
If the iPhone can do it on a 1GHz ARM processor, Android should be able to as well.
IMO there are lots of improvements that could be made with single (and I guess I have to include dual-core now) processors, and I would prefer to see them take that route first.
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While is sounds fun, I'm not sure people consider the power required. More processors requires more power, that's fairly obvious, and the performance benefit may not really be worthwhile. Android has a way to go in terms of performance compared to the iPhone.
I have to give the iPhone props in this dept. The interface is incredibly snappy in terms of responsiveness. Animations are simply smoother (think when pulling down the notification pane or flipping through app pages) (than 2.2 anyway) and there are fewer laggy moments, at least from what I've seen.
If the iPhone can do it on a 1GHz ARM processor, Android should be able to as well.
IMO there are lots of improvements that could be made with single (and I guess I have to include dual-core now) processors, and I would prefer to see them take that route first.
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they need to make batteries that are more efficient and last longer. If smartphones actually lasted more than a day of real usage of data and everything they would be much more appealing to the consumer market.
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IMO there are lots of improvements that could be made with single (and I guess I have to include dual-core now) processors, and I would prefer to see them take that route first.
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That's really a software issue (inc drivers).
Apple has a major advantage in this department. There's a grand total of four iPhones (5 if you count the CDMA iPhone 4), 4 iPod Touches, and 2 iPads, for a total of 11 devices, and only 7 of them (counting CDMA iPhone 4 as a separate device) are still supported in new OS updates.
Lets just take the Galaxy S to compare: How many variants of it are there? Every major carrier in the US has their own version, plus a second one on Verizon... that's five right there! And that's totally ignoring all the international variants (which usually stick much closer to the i9000)! And those are all from a single generation!
I kinda doubt Samsung has as many people working on hardware-software integration as Apple for their phones, and they quite stupidly spread them out far thinner, to countless different devices!
That is the reason that the iPhone's performance crushes Android's. The Android carriers put far less effort into the software side of all their devices, thinking that the specs are all that matters, totally forgetting that specs mean nothing if the software can't take advantage of them!
Compare the stock Fascinate software to MIUI/CM7/AOSP. The alternative ROMs have some reliability issues, but that's largely due to our devs having to figure out the hardware entirely on their own, with limited to no access to the actual documentation! And yet, Samsung's ROMs often have worse issues!
This is Android's fragmentation issue. Quantity (of models) over quality.
Of course this could be read as just a touch of FUD and sour grapes while Intel jump on the bandwagon driven by ARM, but the guy may have a point:
But Bell was scathing of existing implementations, which he partly put down to software issues with Android itself. “Android doesn’t make as effective use of multi-core as it could,” he said.
“In some of the use cases we’ve seen, [the] second core is detrimental because of scheduling.” Having looked at the multi-core options on the market, he said, the performance didn’t justify “the size and cost of putting in that part".
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Full article at:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/07/intel_bell_mobile_launch/
Seeing how Intel's current affair with the Android mobile market is a single-core (although with HT) Atom CPU, I'm sure they're ever so slightly biased
That said, he might be on to something. I'm pretty sure Google (and the handset makers) could do a lot more to increase the efficiency and usage of multi-core CPUs. And, since Android is constantly in development, I'm sure they will.
I like intel, I own intel stock, if I were to build a server it would utilize intel parts. But this explaination is imo BS. Why include HT if it were so?
android can improve (and I wish google would stop tracking every program we ever use) but so can mobile x86. For my portfolio's sake I hope it does lol
>“Android doesn’t make as effective use of multi-core as it could,” he said.
It's a tempest in a teapot. Android is still mostly on phones--tablet-specific apps are few--so CPU performance isn't a big deal. You can see it in the usual X-vs-Y comparisons. Most of them use synthetic benchmarks rather than actual apps or games. We geeks get excited about which is the fastest phone, but it's irrelevant. The gating factor is perf-driven apps, of which there are few on phones.
This is no different to Nokia CEO Stephen Elop saying that multi-core is a waste of battery on a mobile phone, when his company has staked it's future on a mobile OS that doesn't currently support multi-core processors.
If they can't play "me too", just slag off those that can.
FUD pure and simple!
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The guy's a chode. Intel can't into multicore so he's buttangery.
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I remember when the first dual core phones came out, there were naysayers saying exactly the same thing, android doesnt fully support it yet, its a waste of money and resources, yadda yadda yadda... Now android 4 DOES support multi core and support is going to get even better in further updates. Its like with windows 10 years ago saying that DVD or Blueray support was useless because most people only had CD drives.... well look where the tech is now nearly everyone has a DVD drive and half have a Blueray drive.
However lets have another look at hyperthreading.... came out about the same time as dual core CPUs and unfortunately more devices went withdual core instead of HT. now, several years later, we are seeing support for both dual cores and HT on the same chip.
Making my point: Saying Dual Core android devices are useless is shortsighted. Thats the direction the tech is headed, i love that extra power boost when i play things like Nova 3, and yes scheduler tweaking and other problems are still there but it doesnt mean the tech is useless, its just new, and like all new tech it still needs a chance to grow.
Anyone else wonder why they released this as the LTE when there really isn't any LTE, and the majority of people won't get LTE for a long time? Just don't get why they didn't bang it out as the quad core version. Then two years from now when LTE actually becomes available to the masses, and they figure out how to make 4 cores and LTE work together....release the mack daddy?
Are you really asking why they didn't hold off on releasing a phone for 2 years? lol I'd never buy stock in your company.
And LTE is already becoming available in some areas.
With that said, people without LTE coverage can still enjoy a pretty badass phone even without LTE. Do you think they'd sell it for less if they removed the LTE antennas, or something?
If you don't like the phone because it has LTE technology that you can't use yet, don't buy it. I hear the iPhone is great for people who have no desire for advanced technology.
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Would have made more sense to release the dual core world wide but my guess is the tegra is significantly cheaper.
Also some people already have lte unofficially and millions will have it within a few months based on the roll out schedules.
Mathman85 said:
Are you really asking why they didn't hold off on releasing a phone for 2 years? lol I'd never buy stock in your company.
And LTE is already becoming available in some areas.
With that said, people without LTE coverage can still enjoy a pretty badass phone even without LTE. Do you think they'd sell it for less if they removed the LTE antennas, or something?
If you don't like the phone because it has LTE technology that you can't use yet, don't buy it. I hear the iPhone is great for people who have no desire for advanced technology.
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Settle down, take a breath. No need to get all butt hurt. Its definitely a great phone. But I won't see LTE for a long time. Like quite a lot of others. So a quad core would have been a way bigger hit. Then when LTE was out to MAJORITY of the market and they had time to figure out quad and LTE comparability....bang, they're all dead. Btw I had an iPhone...I know better.
You don't really need it quad core is not well develop yet just like duel core last year suck till ICS, just look at the pocket now review of the GS3, is exynos which is one of the best processor and it seems like Samsung rush it out, but to each their own, I'm happy with this duel core
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Good point.^
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/06/04/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-initial-benchmarks-and-hands-on-impressions/
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EVO LTE test same thing I've out scored on quadrant highest was 5120 and test on smartbench there is slight difference I just ran it 4 times
Edit: trivial benches don't make or break anything so its just a thought the extra gig is nice though still have no major issues on my EVO LTE so I'm sticking with my UK s3 pre order as well ..
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I can understand why people would like quad-core, but I'm extremely pleased with our dual cores (coming from the OG) esp when the biggest difference between the two chips is that the nvida chip is based on the older A9 Cortex and being 40nm, compared to our Snap Dragons which are based on the newer A15 Cortex and been reduced down to 28nm!
Essentially its just a smaller and super efficient chip versus and an older and less streamlined one.
Don't get me wrong, the quad would be nice, but after seeing serious heat issues on the HOX international version, I'm sure this older design has something to do with it, so I'm glad we got the cooler (literally) and streamlined chip, which would give us access to Sprints LTE... At somepoint
By some point next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Qualcomm come out with a quad core based off the 28nm size, and then THAT will be beast!
If you read all of that, you deserve a cookie!
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Next year? Nah... Its been done already
AJilka89 said:
I can understand why people would like quad-core, but I'm extremely pleased with our dual cores (coming from the OG) esp when the biggest difference between the two chips is that the nvida chip is based on the older A9 Cortex and being 40nm, compared to our Snap Dragons which are based on the newer A15 Cortex and been reduced down to 28nm!
Essentially its just a smaller and super efficient chip versus and an older and less streamlined one.
Don't get me wrong, the quad would be nice, but after seeing serious heat issues on the HOX international version, I'm sure this older design has something to do with it, so I'm glad we got the cooler (literally) and streamlined chip, which would give us access to Sprints LTE... At somepoint
By some point next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Qualcomm come out with a quad core based off the 28nm size, and then THAT will be beast!
If you read all of that, you deserve a cookie!
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Yeah the MSM8960 3D edition is a quadcore S4 processor with a 3D chip built in... It was announced in February
and thanks to the architecture it runs cool as ice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9hQD6ddhDw
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Anyone else wonder why they released this as the LTE when there really isn't any LTE, and the majority of people won't get LTE for a long time? Just don't get why they didn't bang it out as the quad core version. Then two years from now when LTE actually becomes available to the masses, and they figure out how to make 4 cores and LTE work together....release the mack daddy?
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I'll have LTE in the second half of the year, which is coming up soon. Just saying...
Why would they put a WiMax chip in the phone?
The device would have to be thicker to accommodate a radio that is not integrated into the chipset.
WiMax radios are worse on battery than LTE radios.
WiMAx isn't being expanded and will be unsupported by the EOL on the phone. Bringing in another WiMax device would mean they have to maintain the network longer - remember that its not only you that enters a contract, but Sprint as well - they have to maintain their network for use.
You could say QuadCore and 3G only - but really? Come on? A non 4g super phone? that would be insane.
I would also assume that our purchase of the device helps fund the roll out to an extent.
I think you will be surprised how fast you get 4G - if your like me, you probably won't get it while you are on this device because I change to often, but it will come and it will come quickly.
I know I'll have LTE before I'm done with this device, and if this thing is this nice now, when I upgrade again in June next year I'll be blown away!
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I can understand why people would like quad-core, but I'm extremely pleased with our dual cores (coming from the OG) esp when the biggest difference between the two chips is that the nvida chip is based on the older A9 Cortex and being 40nm, compared to our Snap Dragons which are based on the newer A15 Cortex and been reduced down to 28nm!
Essentially its just a smaller and super efficient chip versus and an older and less streamlined one.
Don't get me wrong, the quad would be nice, but after seeing serious heat issues on the HOX international version, I'm sure this older design has something to do with it, so I'm glad we got the cooler (literally) and streamlined chip, which would give us access to Sprints LTE... At somepoint
By some point next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Qualcomm come out with a quad core based off the 28nm size, and then THAT will be beast!
If you read all of that, you deserve a cookie!
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If that's the case my EVO LTE won't get too hot right wrong you push any phone it will get hot infact it gets as hot as the epic touch some points for no good reason as well but besides that point .
Both are good but it seems there's some sort of odd anger still brewing over who's is better faster etc who gives a crap u want a quad get it u want dual get it but these things u speak of are tested via Qualcomm if I remember correctly the e3d adreno 220 on paper beat the sgs2 when qualcomm did the testing we all know what happened after that ..
I'm not choosing quad or dual I may go phone crazy and get both idk but what I do know is they both beat the crap out everything else out there screw tech data I can spew that too real world they both ate great buys great phones
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If that's the case my EVO LTE won't get too hot right wrong you push any phone it will get hot infact it gets as hot as the epic touch some points for no good reason as well but besides that point .
Both are good but it seems there's some sort of odd anger still brewing over who's is better faster etc who gives a crap u want a quad get it u want dual get it but these things u speak of are tested via Qualcomm if I remember correctly the e3d adreno 220 on paper beat the sgs2 when qualcomm did the testing we all know what happened after that ..
I'm not choosing quad or dual I may go phone crazy and get both idk but what I do know is they both beat the crap out everything else out there screw tech data I can spew that too real world they both ate great buys great phones
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Well of course anything you use that's electronic is bound to get hot over an extended time with use.
When I wrote this, I started remembering when the first round of Xbox 360s came around, and the processor was (correct me if I'm wrong) 40nm, and because it got so damn hot, and nothing to help cool it down, the failure rate on the first Xboxes was through the roof. When they later cut the chip down to the 32nm size, and installed some more ventilation, the chip never got nearly as hot, and the failure rate went down.
This isn't saying that are phones are Xbox 360s (give it a few more years, and I'm sure we may be able to play those types of games on here ), but going from a bigger to smaller processor, overall the chip shouldn't get nearly as hot as the quad core.
YMMV of course. This is probably aimed more at the person whose getting around 2 1/2+ days on their phone right now.
Edit: This was to roughly show the difference in the chip by size and design. I love that ours are smaller and more efficient, and I wouldn't care if they did have quad core on here instead. Cause....
This phone is the TRUE SUCCESSOR to our beloved OG and I'm glad we got it in our hands finally! Regardless of what processor we have inside
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Well of course anything you use that's electronic is bound to get hot over an extended time with use.
When I wrote this, I started remembering when the first round of Xbox 360s came around, and the processor was (correct me if I'm wrong) 40nm, and because it got so damn hot, and nothing to help cool it down, the failure rate on the first Xboxes was through the roof. When they later cut the chip down to the 32nm size, and installed some more ventilation, the chip never got nearly as hot, and the failure rate went down.
This isn't saying that are phones are Xbox 360s (give it a few more years, and I'm sure we may be able to play those types of games on here), but going from a bigger to smaller processor, overall the chip shouldn't get nearly as hot as the quad core.
YMMV of course. This is probably aimed more at the person whose getting around 2 1/2+ days on their phone right now.
Edit: This was to roughly show the difference in the chip by size and design. I love that ours are smaller and more efficient, and I wouldn't care if they did have quad core on here instead. Cause....
This phone is the TRUE SUCCESSOR to our beloved OG and I'm glad we got it in our hands finally! Regardless of what processor we have inside
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I agree I gotta not smoke when I get up anymore haha they are both great here's my issue .
I don't need a new phone I want one but not on contract I have several on contract now EVO.LTE being one sgs2 the other and my brother's two I pay all of them so I know my sister is getting the sgs3 us I'm leaning international just to give it a shot if I don't like it try to swap it for the us one while she's sleeping or something lol ..
But really I think they all are great none of you or myself are wrong going with any of these things I think as said in other threads android on android hate is hot right now thanks htc and Sammy lol ..
Xbox well I went through two first gen 360s before I gave up for a year and got a great gaming pc
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alchemist316 said:
I agree I gotta not smoke when I get up anymore haha they are both great here's my issue .
I don't need a new phone I want one but not on contract I have several on contract now EVO.LTE being one sgs2 the other and my brother's two I pay all of them so I know my sister is getting the sgs3 us I'm leaning international just to give it a shot if I don't like it try to swap it for the us one while she's sleeping or something lol ..
But really I think they all are great none of you or myself are wrong going with any of these things I think as said in other threads android on android hate is hot right now thanks htc and Sammy lol ..
Xbox well I went through two first gen 360s before I gave up for a year and got a great gaming pc
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Lmao.
Yea I understand. I wasn't picking favorites between the two, I'd be more than happy to have the quad, but then there would be no LTE once Sprint rolls it out. So with LTE in mind, thats why we received the dual core because it works with it. Plus its smaller and just as fast and as long as its a major upgrade from the OG, its money well spent.
I do agree that the Android on Android hate should calm down esp now that we (all of Android) are being shafted by Apple. Hopefully over the next couple of years, Android OEMs will sort of form an alliance to protect themselves from Apple, like the move Google did by giving HTC some patents to use. The more we attack each other, the more divided we will become, and the easier it will be for Apple to sue for stupid crap and ultimately win.
I wish I could get a gaming PC, but its just a lot of money for me, and the plus side of the 360, like most consoles, is that the games will be playable without any hardware upgrades for years. Yea it won't look nearly as good, or play faster, but it works and that's enough for me
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IDK, maybe just skeptical because I never seen any wimax. Crap, my state barely seen it. We have a tiny little spec on the map.
Here is the correct answer to your question. If they had not made the phone LTE capable you would have had an outrage of people complaining that the phone isn't "future proof" and cant run on LTE when it come to their area. "how can it be a flagship phone if it even can't connect to the new networks?" That would have been all over the forums. Also, apps and the system alone doesn't utilize quad core processor efficiently if at all. Just like quad core computers have been around for a looong time, it took even longer for programs to utilize quad cores, and most of the programs you use every day on a pc aren't even touching the other two cores (assuming you have a quad core pc). This is why the benchmarks are equal (if not better) on the S4 vs Exynos quad because the apps/system isn't designed to take advantage.
Having the transformer prime with the Tegra3 I have to say I'm a tad disappointed.
It has been at least somewhat proven that the s4 is superior in many bench mark tests. And this chip is based off of a newer more efficient platform.
Really just do yourself a favor and imagine that the lte has 4 core.
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I don't know why people are so eager to get a quad-core processor in their phone. The software barely takes advantage of two cores so there would be very little gain to adding two more.
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/06/11/...really-detrimental-to-the-android-experience/
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/257307/dual_core_processors_wasted_on_android_intel_claims.html
according to intels general manager dual cores are not doing us any good. That obviously means quadcores are going to do even less for us.
Just Intel propaganda as they are trying to get into the mobile processor market.
Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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ckoadiyn said:
Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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The thing we have to realize here is that Android was designed to cater to different hardware configurations vs let's say Apple's direction for mobile, they have control of the hardware so they can customize drivers with their software.It also depends how the application uses the hardware too. Dual-core "I believe" is about right, because these apps are not really going to utilize it.
Intel needs to "put their money where their mouth is." All they need to do is make a single core soc that competes with the s4 and tegra 3 AND within a reasonable budget for me to believe and trust them. Till then its just smack talk.
guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Not the right person to believe. It's like believing Steve jobs when he said people don't want phones larger than 3.5" screen.
Once their stuff is released and a third party with no ties, including advertising, can test it then i will believe.
ckoadiyn said:
Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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I'd bet that most lower-end dual-core Androids really aren't optimized for it. There are some pretty cheap handsets out there, and the experience with them sucks.
On the other hand, though, the manufacturers who make quality phones (HTC) know what they're doing.
It sounds just like the argument iPhans used to make two years ago - they'd talk about how Android was not a good OS because the phones they tried were laggy, slow, and stuttered... ignoring entirely the fact that they were playing with the cheap Android phones. Put a resource-intensive OS in cheap hardware and the experience will suck.
And to an earlier point, Intel is trying to get into the mobile space... and their mobile processors are single core. It's in their best interest to make people leery of their dual-core competition.
I agree with the article 100%, mostly. For now, all enabling dual cores does is inflate useless benchmarks and kill the battery.
The bad part of the article is trying to compare today's processor arch with old stuff.
My personal opinion... Taylor Martin is a moron. Most of his articles on Phonedog are useless!
Medfield is a single core. Maybe they are just trying to defend their product.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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Even in the pc world? That's what I was referring to I understand mobile wise they don't have much or any... Hence the they don't need a scheme
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This article is about 99.99% right. There is some obvious bias in it, but it holds a lot of truth.
The fact is that Android wasn't built to be "silky smooth". Take a look at WP7 for example, those phones run as smooth as any phone can run and they are all single core processors, yesteryear android specs. The architecture of the OS is 100x more important than processing power and it's sad to say that Google absolutely did not focus on this when they started creating Android. Keep in mine that they started before Apple or Windows in building Android, so they probably just didn't have the foresight.
With that being said, I am as big of an Android fan as any of you and I don't plan on changing any time soon but the fact remains that our operating system will most likely never be as smooth as WP or ios. We win by a milestone though when it comes to functionality.