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I have searched everywhere to find exactly what Qualcomm processor is actually inside the flyer because I am confused for three good reasons...
1, even in the official HTC Flyer spec it just states 1.5Ghz processor (no chip number)
2, most reviews I've seen are just copying what they have seen in other reviews stating a 'single-core' Qualcomm Snapdragon processor but this then leads me to item 3.....
3, Qualcomm only make single-core Snapdragon processors to a max speed of 1.4Ghz, the only 1.5Ghz units are the MSM8260 and the MSM8660 which are both dual-core asynchronous CPU's which are more power efficient than a synchronous Tegra2 that cannot shut down the second core when not used.
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Ref: http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/specs
Any one explain this?
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HTC flyer has an overclocked 8255 at 1.5 GHZ. which is a second generation snapdragon with adreno 205 CPU. It is found in the HTc Desire HD aka HTC inspire, tmobile g2, and some more.
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While I welcome your posts guys, please follow my example and post an actual, FACTUAL reference to your comments to show where your information came from, HTC preferable as they sell the darn things, not some dudes blog.
Dont want UK newspaper type gossip stuff.
Anyone got any photos of the actual chip in the Flyer?
It would not suprise me if the print had been physically removed....
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Even found this, a full open of the Flyer...
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-htc-flyer/6256123
But still no sign of a CPU, only one unknown chip hidden by screening.
Strange....
Farsquidge said:
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Even found this, a full open of the Flyer...
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-htc-flyer/6256123
But still no sign of a CPU, only one unknown chip hidden by screening.
Strange....
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Interesting... Well the breakdown is there for you to follow. Report back when you figure out what's under the metal shielding. . Maybe its the Samsung chip?
The article criicizes the tablet for a smartphone design... Which I disagree with. My thoughts are the device doesn't have the 10" space to NOT stack components on top of each other. And why reinvent the wheel? When youhave successful phones, why not bank on your expertise?
Anyway back to the subject, I'm pretty happy with the device. Not too concerned about what's under the covers, because quite frankly it performs well with the overclocked snapdragon... The device's pen integration and more "openess" of Android is what retired my iPad.
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While I welcome your posts guys, please follow my example and post an actual, FACTUAL reference to your comments to show where your information came from, HTC preferable as they sell the darn things, not some dudes blog.
Dont want UK newspaper type gossip stuff.
Anyone got any photos of the actual chip in the Flyer?
It would not suprise me if the print had been physically removed....
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Why your welcome Mr. Rude. Mine came from info off my tab itself. If you want more open yours up and find out for yourself.
T120ted said:
Why your welcome Mr. Rude. Mine came from info off my tab itself. If you want more open yours up and find out for yourself.
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Never seen a Snapdragon processor that quotes an ARM architecture type on its surface!
And childish name calling is not in the spirit of this forum....
All I'm trying to determine here is whether HTC may be using one core of a dual-core chip that may improve Honeycomb.
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Never seen a Snapdragon processor that quotes an ARM architecture type on its surface!
And childish name calling is not in the spirit of this forum....
All I'm trying to determine here is whether HTC may be using one core of a dual-core chip that may improve Honeycomb.
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Preety sure it is single core. If it was dual core they would certainly advertise it as such as a selling point.
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Farsquidge said:
Never seen a Snapdragon processor that quotes an ARM architecture type on its surface!
And childish name calling is not in the spirit of this forum....
All I'm trying to determine here is whether HTC may be using one core of a dual-core chip that may improve Honeycomb.
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It makes no sense for HTC to disable one core of a dual core chip.
tommyz2kool said:
It makes no sense for HTC to disable one core of a dual core chip.
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Unless for some reason they could not get Google certification on Gingerbread unless they did!
This is pure speculation but, what if HTC designed the Flyer to originally use an MSM8260 or 8660 as the Puccini is going to use with Honeycomb, found out that they could not get Sense integrated into Honeycomb in time for distribution, THEN found out that Google would not certify it for Gingerbread unless it was a single-core system?
It just seems strange that they will have (if and when we get HC) two tablets out within a year, both with HC, one 7" one 10" but with different processors.
If if if... for someone who wants hard facts your head sure is in the clouds.
I'd prefer to have a dual core, but my flyer is flying fast enough for me to be happy.
So is it a single or dual???? I'm confused...LOL...
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trucaliber said:
If if if... for someone who wants hard facts your head sure is in the clouds.
I'd prefer to have a dual core, but my flyer is flying fast enough for me to be happy.
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So long as everyone identifies fact and speculation, there is no problem is there?
Yes, I would prefer a dual-core myself if we have an update to HC coming.
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So is it a single or dual???? I'm confused...LOL...
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Yep, me too!! That's the whole point of this thread.
The chip was made by Qualcomm. I'm not trying to rain on your parade or be rude. Thinking it is a Sammy chip is a little out there. At the time this was developed Sammy was to busy laying in bed with Apple making chips for their eyepads. If it were a dual core chip let's just say for the fun of it, this would be some hell of a dual core to be clocked at 1.5ghz before the second core gets activated. Not even gonna happen. There's not enough of any kind of heatsink inside this thing to keep that kinda heat down on a regular basis. Just my two cents but heh, everyone has to have some kinda pipe dream. This single core blows the doors off all the duals out there. I'm happy as it is.
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This is pure speculation but, what if HTC designed the Flyer to originally use an MSM8260 or 8660 as the Puccini is going to use with Honeycomb, found out that they could not get Sense integrated into Honeycomb in time for distribution, THEN found out that Google would not certify it for Gingerbread unless it was a single-core system?
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Why wouldn't google certify it? There are plenty of dual core phones with gingerbread..
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joshnichols189 said:
Why wouldn't google certify it? There are plenty of dual core phones with gingerbread..
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Not sure myself but I know it's not a phone and it could be (maybe HTC didn't want to reduce their phone sales, to the chagrin of most of us) so that may change things.... It was only speculation.
Although Archos had the same certification problem with their Gen8 units because they left out phone, GPS and rear camera.
Honeycomb however is specifically targeted at tablets, so Google will certify without phone function leading me to think the Flyer was really designed for that in mind but they never got it skinned in time for release.
T120ted said:
The chip was made by Qualcomm. I'm not trying to rain on your parade or be rude. Thinking it is a Sammy chip is a little out there. At the time this was developed Sammy was to busy laying in bed with Apple making chips for their eyepads. If it were a dual core chip let's just say for the fun of it, this would be some hell of a dual core to be clocked at 1.5ghz before the second core gets activated. Not even gonna happen. There's not enough of any kind of heatsink inside this thing to keep that kinda heat down on a regular basis. Just my two cents but heh, everyone has to have some kinda pipe dream. This single core blows the doors off all the duals out there. I'm happy as it is.
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You are perhaps thinking of standard PC type CPU's not mobile ones.
The new low-power 45nM dual-core Snapdragons ARE asynchronous ( each core has independent clock and voltage supplies) , are 1.5GHZ, and don't need large heatsinks....
Ref: http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/snapdragon-msm8x60-apq8060-product-brief
And yes, I'm also happy with the Flyer as it is, it's overall performance and UI is better than anything else I've tried.
But, as you say, it may be a pipe dream. But (here we go again, sorry) what would owners do at this moment if HTC had announced a dual-core Flyer only using one core? They wouldn't be very happy would they...
And what will people say when suddenly we get Honeycomb with dual-core? They wouldn't complain then...
Yep, I am probably dreaming but wouldn't it be nice if they pull that rabbit out of the hat.
According to Qualcomm it is an MSM8x55. You can find more info here at the same link you posted in the OP:
http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/specs
Scroll down about halfway where it talks about High Performance Smartphones and Tablets and it mentions the Flyer near the bottom of the section.
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I'm sure the Evo 3d will be every bit as capable as the Tegra 2 devices. But nvidia has the developers courted in a big way. I'm not a huge gamer, but I do enjoy the 10 or so on my Evo 4g. I'd have to say games on the Evo 4g are underwhelming. So I'm excited about the 3d having the chops for some serious games. But now I'm afraid that the qualcomm processor means it simply won't get the cool games with so many developers committed to Tegra 2. And some of these Tegra 2 games look pretty sweet.
With the rumor of a Tegra 2 device on Sprint, I question if it would be worth waiting for. What do y'all thing? Will qualcomm get the gaming love from developers? Will these cool Tegra games be ported to other capable dual core devices?
Fragmentation...
I was just thinking about this earlier. WTF is nvidia thinking?
THAT is *actual* fragmentation that everyone is talking about. That's not a difference of a simple version number that can be upgraded....things for download in the market that WILL NOT WORK on 90% of all phones? That's terrible. That's selfish. That will. not. help.
Even if they own 90% of the market its still wrong. LEss obvious, but wrong just the same. I hope nvidia fails and goes out of business for that maneuver. There is nothing keeping the game from running on non tegra² GPU's....sure, it probably won't run great....that's fine....but to have it look for a vendorID string and say 'sorry' just cuz you bought the wrong brand? That's insulting. Go ahead, tear the android market in 2 pieces.
...I think they'll fail on that front. What scumbags. Take something that is a legitmate but fringe concern (fragmentation) and turn it into a legitmate and very very real (market leading?) issue.
I'm not a gamer, but, it will suck that there are games I can't play--at any performance level--cuz I'm not wearing the right brand sneakers...or whatever.
fnck nvidia. That's all marketing and branding, lets keep it a strictly performance based game with standards as the rules...
chainfire3d is an app that is currently allowing tegra zone on most 1ghz devices. I'm not worried about the Evo 3D getting games because we can run anything the tegra 2 devices can AND there are 3D games coming very soon (3DS ports).
I feel this tatic of terga exclusive games will either fail by the end of the year or most high end phones on the next generation will have a terga processor including whatever HTCs next line will be. Personally I'm skeptical that this will take off. They do seem to have a developer following and if I was more of a gamer I couldn't see buying a non terga phone. SO maybe I'm wrong.
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Exactly! Forget Froyo vs. GB. This is the fragmentation that really sucks for consumers.
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chainfire3d looks pretty sweet. hadn't seen that before. I won't even bother loading that on my Evo cause I'm sure it'll choke with a beefy game. But it looks like we'll have to be quick to get root and S-off for the 3d to see what this app can do for it. But 3ds ports may be quite a job since they'd have to code out the DS part. Not sure how many game devs would bother for 2 or 3 3d capable phones in the whole market.
Check your specs fellas, qualcomm's processors blow the Tegra 2 out of the water... Tegra has dual 1ghz synced cores, Qualcomm has dual 1.2ghz asynchronous cores. Qualcomm's chips also feature the Adreno GPU which is faster and more efficient than the Tegra 2's minimalist GPU. Do some Googling to confirm then rest assured, the EVO 3D IS the droid you're looking for *waves hand like Obi Wan*
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Check your specs fellas, qualcomm's processors blow the Tegra 2 out of the water... Tegra has dual 1ghz synced cores, Qualcomm has dual 1.2ghz asynchronous cores. Qualcomm's chips also feature the Adreno GPU which is faster and more efficient than the Tegra 2's minimalist GPU. Do some Googling to confirm then rest assured, the EVO 3D IS the droid you're looking for *waves hand like Obi Wan*
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So the EVO 3d's chip outperforms these Tegra chips? I thought they were only releasing it for the Tegra chips because they might have been more powerful. Good to know if this isn't the case.
Now what is in the GS2 as I saw a benchmark video and it blew the Sensation out of the water? I know those benchmarks aren't everyhing but will the SG2 be that much more powerful then the Evo 3d?
I think tegra2 is possibly the slowest of the dual core bunch. BUT when games are coded specifically for that chip, will it matter that qualcomm's chip is better? What good is all that power if all the high quality games only run on tegra?
And you can't blame devs for coding to the most popular chip out for android. That chip is in phones, tabs, and more
Don't forget to blame the developers too, nvidia drives a dump truck full of money to their front porch and says "make this game work only on tegra2 devices".
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Check your specs fellas, qualcomm's processors blow the Tegra 2 out of the water... Tegra has dual 1ghz synced cores, Qualcomm has dual 1.2ghz asynchronous cores. Qualcomm's chips also feature the Adreno GPU which is faster and more efficient than the Tegra 2's minimalist GPU. Do some Googling to confirm then rest assured, the EVO 3D IS the droid you're looking for *waves hand like Obi Wan*
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The EVO 3D isn't a droid.
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The EVO 3D isn't a droid.
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That's a matter of interpretation. Anything running android is considered a 'droid' phone by most people. Then there are a few purists that believe only the phones made by motorola with Droid in there name can be considered 'droid'.
Whatever.
SteelH said:
That's a matter of interpretation. Anything running android is considered a 'droid' phone by most people. Then there are a few purists that believe only the phones made by motorola with Droid in there name can be considered 'droid'.
Whatever.
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meh droid has always been a abbreviation for android, in all reality an android phone named droid is silly
I don't think I heard a single person refer to Android as "droid" prior to Verizon's marketing campaign...Droid is Verizon's branding, not Moto's or Samsung's or anyone else's...
I wouldn't be picky if it wasn't for the fact that "DROID" is so obvious on all Droid products. You definitely know if your phone is a droid and you definitely know if it isn't.
Benchmarks I've seen all put Exynos/Tegra/MSM8x60 slightly behind the new TI OMAP4. No matter what you choose it's going to be ridiculous. At the level these phones are at you cant go wrong.
Im pretty sure you'll still be able to play the games if you want to but they'll have a version special made for the tegra 2. It wouldn't surprise me if qualcomm started doing something similar but I'm not going to be buying a game that is nerfed even though my phone can handle it just fine.
Everybody's bringing up good (and funny) points, in the long run, once dual core processors are the norm, I think we'll see these "processor specific" games go the way of the dodo
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Everybody's bringing up good (and funny) points, in the long run, once dual core processors are the norm, I think we'll see these "processor specific" games go the way of the dodo
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It reminds me of 3D graphics cards in the late 90's. You had to get a game made for your 3Dfx card to get 3D...or whatever mfgr....but that was the state of the software at the time, we lacked a common API, directX/directdraw was a mere infant at the time and Direct3D was only in beta testing...progress in progress.
Now they are trying to intentionally revert to this horrible horrible situation in the name of branding. They want to enslave you to a market for just their processors and/or supported games.....but it's not an API problem, its a vendorID string problem--and that's just effed up.
So in conclusion we need google to make something like directx???
riptide looks AWESOMEEEE to bad I will not be buying a tegra phone..... all of them suck (atrix has pentile display and blur, optimus 2x has lots of problems, droid x2 same as atrix)
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So in conclusion we need google to make something like directx???
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No, the companies involved need to just not do this. There are already APIs to cover this.
Game developers are getting bribed, ahem, "courted" to support this chipset. The actual performance difference is likely negligible to keep it compatible all around. Even if it isn't negligible so long as it runs on everything android so be it--they just have a better graphics chip. Competition drives innovation.
But if they are just making it suck on non tegra2 devices by pulling the deviceID string, well, that's just disgusting.
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So in conclusion we need google to make something like directx???
riptide looks AWESOMEEEE to bad I will not be buying a tegra phone..... all of them suck (atrix has pentile display and blur, optimus 2x has lots of problems, droid x2 same as atrix)
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I think it's more a matter of the chip makers purposely trying to fragment, when programming it's always faster to write native code then use APIs (as talking directly to the hardware instead of going through android) but different chip makers are using different commands and incorporating their own customized features directly into the chips.
I would be surprised if google doesn't put their foot down and stop this sooner or later.
Simple thought...
We've had our phones for going.on 4 months now and it's still an/the elite considering the sheer mass of dual core phones coming out. So do you all think that with the advent of quad core phones on the horizon, it's pretty pointless? Are manufacturers getting ahead of themselves trying to produce the "latest and greatest" rather than focus on an excellent platform that works well (as with the At&t GS2, International, Windows Phone, and iPhone), and do you think the overwhelming fragmentation of the Android OS in general may lead to it's downfall?
Finally... Do you think, at this time, that there's any use for quad core when our phones haven't even been tested/pushed to it's limits? What's the use in power without anything to utilize it?
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There were too many questions for me to answer all of them. I'll buy a new when I feel like its worth my money, and after doing research. So far, there's no rush on getting 'newer'phones. We might be getting ics, and quad core tablets can wait.
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This is not directly related to our phone and we already have a few threads open to discuss the next potential phone.
Thread closed.
Anyone else wonder why they released this as the LTE when there really isn't any LTE, and the majority of people won't get LTE for a long time? Just don't get why they didn't bang it out as the quad core version. Then two years from now when LTE actually becomes available to the masses, and they figure out how to make 4 cores and LTE work together....release the mack daddy?
Are you really asking why they didn't hold off on releasing a phone for 2 years? lol I'd never buy stock in your company.
And LTE is already becoming available in some areas.
With that said, people without LTE coverage can still enjoy a pretty badass phone even without LTE. Do you think they'd sell it for less if they removed the LTE antennas, or something?
If you don't like the phone because it has LTE technology that you can't use yet, don't buy it. I hear the iPhone is great for people who have no desire for advanced technology.
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Would have made more sense to release the dual core world wide but my guess is the tegra is significantly cheaper.
Also some people already have lte unofficially and millions will have it within a few months based on the roll out schedules.
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Are you really asking why they didn't hold off on releasing a phone for 2 years? lol I'd never buy stock in your company.
And LTE is already becoming available in some areas.
With that said, people without LTE coverage can still enjoy a pretty badass phone even without LTE. Do you think they'd sell it for less if they removed the LTE antennas, or something?
If you don't like the phone because it has LTE technology that you can't use yet, don't buy it. I hear the iPhone is great for people who have no desire for advanced technology.
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Settle down, take a breath. No need to get all butt hurt. Its definitely a great phone. But I won't see LTE for a long time. Like quite a lot of others. So a quad core would have been a way bigger hit. Then when LTE was out to MAJORITY of the market and they had time to figure out quad and LTE comparability....bang, they're all dead. Btw I had an iPhone...I know better.
You don't really need it quad core is not well develop yet just like duel core last year suck till ICS, just look at the pocket now review of the GS3, is exynos which is one of the best processor and it seems like Samsung rush it out, but to each their own, I'm happy with this duel core
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Good point.^
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/06/04/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-initial-benchmarks-and-hands-on-impressions/
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EVO LTE test same thing I've out scored on quadrant highest was 5120 and test on smartbench there is slight difference I just ran it 4 times
Edit: trivial benches don't make or break anything so its just a thought the extra gig is nice though still have no major issues on my EVO LTE so I'm sticking with my UK s3 pre order as well ..
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I can understand why people would like quad-core, but I'm extremely pleased with our dual cores (coming from the OG) esp when the biggest difference between the two chips is that the nvida chip is based on the older A9 Cortex and being 40nm, compared to our Snap Dragons which are based on the newer A15 Cortex and been reduced down to 28nm!
Essentially its just a smaller and super efficient chip versus and an older and less streamlined one.
Don't get me wrong, the quad would be nice, but after seeing serious heat issues on the HOX international version, I'm sure this older design has something to do with it, so I'm glad we got the cooler (literally) and streamlined chip, which would give us access to Sprints LTE... At somepoint
By some point next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Qualcomm come out with a quad core based off the 28nm size, and then THAT will be beast!
If you read all of that, you deserve a cookie!
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Next year? Nah... Its been done already
AJilka89 said:
I can understand why people would like quad-core, but I'm extremely pleased with our dual cores (coming from the OG) esp when the biggest difference between the two chips is that the nvida chip is based on the older A9 Cortex and being 40nm, compared to our Snap Dragons which are based on the newer A15 Cortex and been reduced down to 28nm!
Essentially its just a smaller and super efficient chip versus and an older and less streamlined one.
Don't get me wrong, the quad would be nice, but after seeing serious heat issues on the HOX international version, I'm sure this older design has something to do with it, so I'm glad we got the cooler (literally) and streamlined chip, which would give us access to Sprints LTE... At somepoint
By some point next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Qualcomm come out with a quad core based off the 28nm size, and then THAT will be beast!
If you read all of that, you deserve a cookie!
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Yeah the MSM8960 3D edition is a quadcore S4 processor with a 3D chip built in... It was announced in February
and thanks to the architecture it runs cool as ice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9hQD6ddhDw
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Anyone else wonder why they released this as the LTE when there really isn't any LTE, and the majority of people won't get LTE for a long time? Just don't get why they didn't bang it out as the quad core version. Then two years from now when LTE actually becomes available to the masses, and they figure out how to make 4 cores and LTE work together....release the mack daddy?
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I'll have LTE in the second half of the year, which is coming up soon. Just saying...
Why would they put a WiMax chip in the phone?
The device would have to be thicker to accommodate a radio that is not integrated into the chipset.
WiMax radios are worse on battery than LTE radios.
WiMAx isn't being expanded and will be unsupported by the EOL on the phone. Bringing in another WiMax device would mean they have to maintain the network longer - remember that its not only you that enters a contract, but Sprint as well - they have to maintain their network for use.
You could say QuadCore and 3G only - but really? Come on? A non 4g super phone? that would be insane.
I would also assume that our purchase of the device helps fund the roll out to an extent.
I think you will be surprised how fast you get 4G - if your like me, you probably won't get it while you are on this device because I change to often, but it will come and it will come quickly.
I know I'll have LTE before I'm done with this device, and if this thing is this nice now, when I upgrade again in June next year I'll be blown away!
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I can understand why people would like quad-core, but I'm extremely pleased with our dual cores (coming from the OG) esp when the biggest difference between the two chips is that the nvida chip is based on the older A9 Cortex and being 40nm, compared to our Snap Dragons which are based on the newer A15 Cortex and been reduced down to 28nm!
Essentially its just a smaller and super efficient chip versus and an older and less streamlined one.
Don't get me wrong, the quad would be nice, but after seeing serious heat issues on the HOX international version, I'm sure this older design has something to do with it, so I'm glad we got the cooler (literally) and streamlined chip, which would give us access to Sprints LTE... At somepoint
By some point next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Qualcomm come out with a quad core based off the 28nm size, and then THAT will be beast!
If you read all of that, you deserve a cookie!
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If that's the case my EVO LTE won't get too hot right wrong you push any phone it will get hot infact it gets as hot as the epic touch some points for no good reason as well but besides that point .
Both are good but it seems there's some sort of odd anger still brewing over who's is better faster etc who gives a crap u want a quad get it u want dual get it but these things u speak of are tested via Qualcomm if I remember correctly the e3d adreno 220 on paper beat the sgs2 when qualcomm did the testing we all know what happened after that ..
I'm not choosing quad or dual I may go phone crazy and get both idk but what I do know is they both beat the crap out everything else out there screw tech data I can spew that too real world they both ate great buys great phones
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If that's the case my EVO LTE won't get too hot right wrong you push any phone it will get hot infact it gets as hot as the epic touch some points for no good reason as well but besides that point .
Both are good but it seems there's some sort of odd anger still brewing over who's is better faster etc who gives a crap u want a quad get it u want dual get it but these things u speak of are tested via Qualcomm if I remember correctly the e3d adreno 220 on paper beat the sgs2 when qualcomm did the testing we all know what happened after that ..
I'm not choosing quad or dual I may go phone crazy and get both idk but what I do know is they both beat the crap out everything else out there screw tech data I can spew that too real world they both ate great buys great phones
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Well of course anything you use that's electronic is bound to get hot over an extended time with use.
When I wrote this, I started remembering when the first round of Xbox 360s came around, and the processor was (correct me if I'm wrong) 40nm, and because it got so damn hot, and nothing to help cool it down, the failure rate on the first Xboxes was through the roof. When they later cut the chip down to the 32nm size, and installed some more ventilation, the chip never got nearly as hot, and the failure rate went down.
This isn't saying that are phones are Xbox 360s (give it a few more years, and I'm sure we may be able to play those types of games on here ), but going from a bigger to smaller processor, overall the chip shouldn't get nearly as hot as the quad core.
YMMV of course. This is probably aimed more at the person whose getting around 2 1/2+ days on their phone right now.
Edit: This was to roughly show the difference in the chip by size and design. I love that ours are smaller and more efficient, and I wouldn't care if they did have quad core on here instead. Cause....
This phone is the TRUE SUCCESSOR to our beloved OG and I'm glad we got it in our hands finally! Regardless of what processor we have inside
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AJilka89 said:
Well of course anything you use that's electronic is bound to get hot over an extended time with use.
When I wrote this, I started remembering when the first round of Xbox 360s came around, and the processor was (correct me if I'm wrong) 40nm, and because it got so damn hot, and nothing to help cool it down, the failure rate on the first Xboxes was through the roof. When they later cut the chip down to the 32nm size, and installed some more ventilation, the chip never got nearly as hot, and the failure rate went down.
This isn't saying that are phones are Xbox 360s (give it a few more years, and I'm sure we may be able to play those types of games on here), but going from a bigger to smaller processor, overall the chip shouldn't get nearly as hot as the quad core.
YMMV of course. This is probably aimed more at the person whose getting around 2 1/2+ days on their phone right now.
Edit: This was to roughly show the difference in the chip by size and design. I love that ours are smaller and more efficient, and I wouldn't care if they did have quad core on here instead. Cause....
This phone is the TRUE SUCCESSOR to our beloved OG and I'm glad we got it in our hands finally! Regardless of what processor we have inside
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I agree I gotta not smoke when I get up anymore haha they are both great here's my issue .
I don't need a new phone I want one but not on contract I have several on contract now EVO.LTE being one sgs2 the other and my brother's two I pay all of them so I know my sister is getting the sgs3 us I'm leaning international just to give it a shot if I don't like it try to swap it for the us one while she's sleeping or something lol ..
But really I think they all are great none of you or myself are wrong going with any of these things I think as said in other threads android on android hate is hot right now thanks htc and Sammy lol ..
Xbox well I went through two first gen 360s before I gave up for a year and got a great gaming pc
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alchemist316 said:
I agree I gotta not smoke when I get up anymore haha they are both great here's my issue .
I don't need a new phone I want one but not on contract I have several on contract now EVO.LTE being one sgs2 the other and my brother's two I pay all of them so I know my sister is getting the sgs3 us I'm leaning international just to give it a shot if I don't like it try to swap it for the us one while she's sleeping or something lol ..
But really I think they all are great none of you or myself are wrong going with any of these things I think as said in other threads android on android hate is hot right now thanks htc and Sammy lol ..
Xbox well I went through two first gen 360s before I gave up for a year and got a great gaming pc
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Lmao.
Yea I understand. I wasn't picking favorites between the two, I'd be more than happy to have the quad, but then there would be no LTE once Sprint rolls it out. So with LTE in mind, thats why we received the dual core because it works with it. Plus its smaller and just as fast and as long as its a major upgrade from the OG, its money well spent.
I do agree that the Android on Android hate should calm down esp now that we (all of Android) are being shafted by Apple. Hopefully over the next couple of years, Android OEMs will sort of form an alliance to protect themselves from Apple, like the move Google did by giving HTC some patents to use. The more we attack each other, the more divided we will become, and the easier it will be for Apple to sue for stupid crap and ultimately win.
I wish I could get a gaming PC, but its just a lot of money for me, and the plus side of the 360, like most consoles, is that the games will be playable without any hardware upgrades for years. Yea it won't look nearly as good, or play faster, but it works and that's enough for me
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IDK, maybe just skeptical because I never seen any wimax. Crap, my state barely seen it. We have a tiny little spec on the map.
Here is the correct answer to your question. If they had not made the phone LTE capable you would have had an outrage of people complaining that the phone isn't "future proof" and cant run on LTE when it come to their area. "how can it be a flagship phone if it even can't connect to the new networks?" That would have been all over the forums. Also, apps and the system alone doesn't utilize quad core processor efficiently if at all. Just like quad core computers have been around for a looong time, it took even longer for programs to utilize quad cores, and most of the programs you use every day on a pc aren't even touching the other two cores (assuming you have a quad core pc). This is why the benchmarks are equal (if not better) on the S4 vs Exynos quad because the apps/system isn't designed to take advantage.
Having the transformer prime with the Tegra3 I have to say I'm a tad disappointed.
It has been at least somewhat proven that the s4 is superior in many bench mark tests. And this chip is based off of a newer more efficient platform.
Really just do yourself a favor and imagine that the lte has 4 core.
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I don't know why people are so eager to get a quad-core processor in their phone. The software barely takes advantage of two cores so there would be very little gain to adding two more.
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/06/11/...really-detrimental-to-the-android-experience/
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/257307/dual_core_processors_wasted_on_android_intel_claims.html
according to intels general manager dual cores are not doing us any good. That obviously means quadcores are going to do even less for us.
Just Intel propaganda as they are trying to get into the mobile processor market.
Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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The thing we have to realize here is that Android was designed to cater to different hardware configurations vs let's say Apple's direction for mobile, they have control of the hardware so they can customize drivers with their software.It also depends how the application uses the hardware too. Dual-core "I believe" is about right, because these apps are not really going to utilize it.
Intel needs to "put their money where their mouth is." All they need to do is make a single core soc that competes with the s4 and tegra 3 AND within a reasonable budget for me to believe and trust them. Till then its just smack talk.
guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Not the right person to believe. It's like believing Steve jobs when he said people don't want phones larger than 3.5" screen.
Once their stuff is released and a third party with no ties, including advertising, can test it then i will believe.
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Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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I'd bet that most lower-end dual-core Androids really aren't optimized for it. There are some pretty cheap handsets out there, and the experience with them sucks.
On the other hand, though, the manufacturers who make quality phones (HTC) know what they're doing.
It sounds just like the argument iPhans used to make two years ago - they'd talk about how Android was not a good OS because the phones they tried were laggy, slow, and stuttered... ignoring entirely the fact that they were playing with the cheap Android phones. Put a resource-intensive OS in cheap hardware and the experience will suck.
And to an earlier point, Intel is trying to get into the mobile space... and their mobile processors are single core. It's in their best interest to make people leery of their dual-core competition.
I agree with the article 100%, mostly. For now, all enabling dual cores does is inflate useless benchmarks and kill the battery.
The bad part of the article is trying to compare today's processor arch with old stuff.
My personal opinion... Taylor Martin is a moron. Most of his articles on Phonedog are useless!
Medfield is a single core. Maybe they are just trying to defend their product.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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Even in the pc world? That's what I was referring to I understand mobile wise they don't have much or any... Hence the they don't need a scheme
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This article is about 99.99% right. There is some obvious bias in it, but it holds a lot of truth.
The fact is that Android wasn't built to be "silky smooth". Take a look at WP7 for example, those phones run as smooth as any phone can run and they are all single core processors, yesteryear android specs. The architecture of the OS is 100x more important than processing power and it's sad to say that Google absolutely did not focus on this when they started creating Android. Keep in mine that they started before Apple or Windows in building Android, so they probably just didn't have the foresight.
With that being said, I am as big of an Android fan as any of you and I don't plan on changing any time soon but the fact remains that our operating system will most likely never be as smooth as WP or ios. We win by a milestone though when it comes to functionality.
Can someone tell me where I can read about the specs of Galaxy S3 and the specs about what everything is?
I mean we have "Arm Cortex A9", which is the CPU right? But the instruction set is "ARMv7" as I understand it, like to know more about that.
Then there's "Tegra 3", which I now understand is not in the S3 but rather "Exynos 4412". And that is the GPU?
And then there's something called ARMv7 NEON.
Well, those are the things I want to learn about. And I think it's better to read some spread sheet or whatever instead of getting short, sporadic answers here.
But I have Googled for a long time now and most pages is just copies from the same source and not very specific.
In conclusion, if you can point me to a site or file where I can read about all this, I will let you have my wife for 2 nights!
Since I am not married you will have to settle for myself in a wig portraying your dream woman! Sound good? Naaah.. I know
But you will have my sincere gratitude!
try wiki
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Exynos
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Well, i can say that the exynos 4412 is the chip set that's the S3 uses. So basically that is the quad core goodness. Tegra 3 is a dofferent chip set, made by a different manufacture (ndiva[ sorry i spelt that wrong]). Each chipset handles tasks differently. Tegra 3 i belive is suppose to be great at 3D gaming if i recall properly, however Tegra 3, in my opinion (i have a Tegra 3 device) is crap. Exynos 4412 and the exynos 4453(?) That is going to be released by Samsung are much better. However probably the best chipset out there is most likely the snapdragon S4. I have only seen this in dual core phones, but once this chipset hits quadcore it will be unstoppable. Armv7 is the artitechure of... something. Sorry I do not know too much about ARM besides ARM9 is better than 7 and 11 is better than 9 and so on. ARM is kinda the same thing as Intel on a windows computer, but ARM has MUCCHH more battery life. So basically if u ran Windows on your android phone it would lag a lot, not because the phone doesn't have the power, but because the OS is not designed for the way the hardware is set up. But if u run Linux( which is designed for ARM on your android developed device it runs smoothly (can say this is true, I've tried it ) that noted, Linux can run on a Intel windows computer smoothly. Not sure why. I've basicily spewed as much knowledge as I have at you here, but i also want to let u know that you will eventually learn what all these chip sets are and what they do, etc with time. (I am presuming you are relatively new with Android, i apologize if i am mistaken)
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Try this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.proxectos.phonespecs
You can find your specs with this, then search google what you wish to know
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http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-Teardown/9391/1
This is a link for a teardown of the S3, which u may find helpful if u want to do research on separate parts of the s3. Also a great guide to learn how to disassemble the phone. Have a good day sir!
Please note that the information above may not be 100% correct, as I am only human and can easily make mistakes
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nodstuff said:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Exynos
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Well, i can say that the exynos 4412 is the chip set that's the S3 uses. So basically that is the quad core goodness. Tegra 3 is a dofferent chip set, made by a different manufacture (ndiva[ sorry i spelt that wrong]). Each chipset handles tasks differently. Tegra 3 i belive is suppose to be great at 3D gaming if i recall properly, however Tegra 3, in my opinion (i have a Tegra 3 device) is crap. Exynos 4412 and the exynos 4453(?) That is going to be released by Samsung are much better. However probably the best chipset out there is most likely the snapdragon S4. I have only seen this in dual core phones, but once this chipset hits quadcore it will be unstoppable. Armv7 is the artitechure of... something. Sorry I do not know too much about ARM besides ARM9 is better than 7 and 11 is better than 9 and so on. ARM is kinda the same thing as Intel on a windows computer, but ARM has MUCCHH more battery life. So basically if u ran Windows on your android phone it would lag a lot, not because the phone doesn't have the power, but because the OS is not designed for the way the hardware is set up. But if u run Linux( which is designed for ARM on your android developed device it runs smoothly (can say this is true, I've tried it ) that noted, Linux can run on a Intel windows computer smoothly. Not sure why. I've basicily spewed as much knowledge as I have at you here, but i also want to let u know that you will eventually learn what all these chip sets are and what they do, etc with time. (I am presuming you are relatively new with Android, i apologize if i am mistaken)
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Thanks all!
There was a lot of good info there nodstuff and I probably can piece it together now with a little patience.
But one thing that is not mentioned is NEON. Where does that fit in?
OK, quad s4 is not "unstoppable" just wait for the 5 series exynos processors which will be true A-15 architecture.
They will kerb stomp the **** out of the s4.
Also Armv7 is not the same as A-9, v7 is the instruction set, there is also an A-7 and it is the architecture. (A-9, A-7, A-15, etc.)
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jojoost said:
Try this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.proxectos.phonespecs
You can find your specs with this, then search google what you wish to know
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WoodenAnts said:
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-Teardown/9391/1
This is a link for a teardown of the S3, which u may find helpful if u want to do research on separate parts of the s3. Also a great guide to learn how to disassemble the phone. Have a good day sir!
Please note that the information above may not be 100% correct, as I am only human and can easily make mistakes
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Thanks jojoost, I had just found Antutu before your post but I will try them both.
WoodenAnts: that was the nail in the coffin. Thanks a LOT! Now I can understand it, and also get the info on "NEON".
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http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-Teardown/9391/1
This is ..
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BTW, what color would you like the wig to be? :angel: