Just saw the Youtube video with the leaked Ville, and it simply is a minor hardware downgrade from HTC Amaze. The front camera is VGA, our is 2M, the back camera has single flash, our is dual, has a plastic back cover, the screen resolution and size is the same, the processor is clocked at 1.5 wouldnt be surprised if it's the same model... Most likely, they will sell it for $199 with a 2-year plan. What I don't understand is, instead of focusing on further development and advertisement of such a solid device as Amaze 4G, put the price a bit down and make profit out of far bigger sales, HTC come every month with 5 different models with weird ass names, sell some, and then move on and forget about them, no support no ****, phone owners feel screwed, and move to other companies' phones... I feel the same way after reading Amaze 4G is near "end-of-life" phase, after only 3 months of sales, which means after the already promised ICS update this phone, despite its potential, will be forgotten by T-Mobile and HTC. If that happens this surely will be my final HTC phone! Do they even realize how many phone models they have issued in the past year? Samsung has had the Galaxy line for almost 2 years, they develop it, support it, and as a result they sell bigger even than Apple, so wtf is wrong with HTC's marketing office, are they on drugs, dont they see whats the winning marketing strategy right now?
The issue is that Google who bought Android is trying to monopolize just as badly as Apple is.
WHY would HTC be virtually the first company to comply with Googles' "3 key phone" marketing push is what I want to know?
I, for one, will be waiting for SOME time before buying another smartphone as it costs too much.
Thanks Google & HTC!
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Just saw the Youtube video with the leaked Ville, and it simply is a minor hardware downgrade from HTC Amaze. The front camera is VGA, our is 2M, the back camera has single flash, our is dual, has a plastic back cover, the screen resolution and size is the same, the processor is clocked at 1.5 wouldnt be surprised if it's the same model... Most likely, they will sell it for $199 with a 2-year plan. What I don't understand is, instead of focusing on further development and advertisement of such a solid device as Amaze 4G, put the price a bit down and make profit out of far bigger sales, HTC come every month with 5 different models with weird ass names, sell some, and then move on and forget about them, no support no ****, phone owners feel screwed, and move to other companies' phones... I feel the same way after reading Amaze 4G is near "end-of-life" phase, after only 3 months of sales, which means after the already promised ICS update this phone, despite its potential, will be forgotten by T-Mobile and HTC. If that happens this surely will be my final HTC phone! Do they even realize how many phone models they have issued in the past year? Samsung has had the Galaxy line for almost 2 years, they develop it, support it, and as a result they sell bigger even than Apple, so wtf is wrong with HTC's marketing office, are they on drugs, dont they see whats the winning marketing strategy right now?
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^^ +1
Exactly what I was thinking. Well said.
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I just hope HTC doesn't turn into an iPhone, that's the reason I went with HTC because apple has stupid restrictions on their phones. You have so much more freedom and I feel that now Google is feeling targeted by the 4s which is stupid. I think market speaks louder than words though their is only so much that we will take as far as downgrading our standards with phones. It may take a while but they will get the hint eventually.
PS. Why is google pushing 3 key phones?
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I just hope HTC doesn't turn into an iPhone, that's the reason I went with HTC because apple has stupid restrictions on their phones. You have so much more freedom and I feel that now Google is feeling targeted by the 4s which is stupid. I think market speaks louder than words though their is only so much that we will take as far as downgrading our standards with phones. It may take a while but they will get the hint eventually.
PS. Why is google pushing 3 key phones?
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Consumer pressure does nice things, doesn't it?!
Google is pushing 3 key phones just to tighten it's monopolization strategy.
The search key does not need to be removed....Apple anyone?
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Consumer pressure does nice things, doesn't it?!
Google is pushing 3 key phones just to tighten it's monopolization strategy.
The search key does not need to be removed....Apple anyone?
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I personally hate the search button. Never used it. It is a waste of space. So I can care less if they removed it lol
I just hope HTC doesn't turn into an iPhone
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HTC surely hopes it can turn something into an iPhone like success, but based on their track record I highly doubt it. People predicted lackluster 4S sales since it was an incremental upgrade but instead they sold more than ever. Apple is kicking butt with essentially two phones (the iPhone 4S was 89% of approximately 37 million iPhones sold in Q4). Again this is with an incremental upgrade. Apple's hardware margins on the iPhone 4 and 4S are excellent so they are raking in the bucks with these sales numbers.
I've not heard anything on the horizon from HTC that can compete with the iPhone 4S and with a major upgrade expected for the iPhone 5 my guess is the HTC market share will drop in 2012.
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It's hard to take but the folks like us at XDA are a very small market so there isn't a lot of business driver to provide open phones for people to hack on. I wish it were different but I don't see that changing. Too few care about S-OFF or root for it to be a profit driver and believe me when I say that HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc. care more about profits than making XDA members happy.
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Just saw the Youtube video with the leaked Ville, and it simply is a minor hardware downgrade from HTC Amaze. The front camera is VGA, our is 2M, the back camera has single flash, our is dual, has a plastic back cover, the screen resolution and size is the same, the processor is clocked at 1.5 wouldnt be surprised if it's the same model... Most likely, they will sell it for $199 with a 2-year plan. What I don't understand is, instead of focusing on further development and advertisement of such a solid device as Amaze 4G, put the price a bit down and make profit out of far bigger sales, HTC come every month with 5 different models with weird ass names, sell some, and then move on and forget about them, no support no ****, phone owners feel screwed, and move to other companies' phones... I feel the same way after reading Amaze 4G is near "end-of-life" phase, after only 3 months of sales, which means after the already promised ICS update this phone, despite its potential, will be forgotten by T-Mobile and HTC. If that happens this surely will be my final HTC phone! Do they even realize how many phone models they have issued in the past year? Samsung has had the Galaxy line for almost 2 years, they develop it, support it, and as a result they sell bigger even than Apple, so wtf is wrong with HTC's marketing office, are they on drugs, dont they see whats the winning marketing strategy right now?
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they drink rakia all the time brat
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I personally hate the search button. Never used it. It is a waste of space. So I can care less if they removed it lol
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HTC surely hopes it can turn something into an iPhone like success, but based on their track record I highly doubt it. People predicted lackluster 4S sales since it was an incremental upgrade but instead they sold more than ever. Apple is kicking butt with essentially two phones (the iPhone 4S was 89% of approximately 37 million iPhones sold in Q4). Again this is with an incremental upgrade. Apple's hardware margins on the iPhone 4 and 4S are excellent so they are raking in the bucks with these sales numbers.
I've not heard anything on the horizon from HTC that can compete with the iPhone 4S and with a major upgrade expected for the iPhone 5 my guess is the HTC market share will drop in 2012.
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It's hard to take but the folks like us at XDA are a very small market so there isn't a lot of business driver to provide open phones for people to hack on. I wish it were different but I don't see that changing. Too few care about S-OFF or root for it to be a profit driver and believe me when I say that HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc. care more about profits than making XDA members happy.
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That's the thing though, maybe it's just me but I would like a phone that is rare. To me the iPhone hype is just a brand name. The phone is to common for me. It's nice to have a unique phone like the Amaze or the ReZound like they go much more in depth. However the Ville is an insult to the consumers who get a really high end phone to have it followed by what ever you call that. To me I think they need to stop monopolizing before they end up like Rockefeller. Don't toy with your consumers because they are what keep you a float.
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So over the last couple weeks I’ve been looking in to purchasing a new phone, and to be honest it has been pretty difficult deciding which new phone to get. As I’m sure everyone has, I’ve taken at the iPhone 4 and I have to admit that the apps and such that it offers are impressive. I’m not sure what it is, but there’s something about the iPhone that just doesn’t do it for me though. Instead I’ve been getting pretty excited, like others, about the upcoming HTC Desire HD and although information about the phone is moslty based on rumors I still believe that this phone will be phenominal.
The phone will supposedly run Adroid 2.2 which will allow the phone’s cpu to run up to 2-5 times faster with the OS. This massive change is just between 2.1 and 2.2 and with future Android updates I’m sure that the Adroid OS will only help the HTC Desire HD reach an even higher potential. From what I’ve seen of the original HTC Desire, this phone will be awesome, but if I need a phone soon is it really worth the wait?
Eh. Personally, I don’t think there’s anything HTC will be able to do to keep up with Apple and the iPhone line. Everything that it comes out with seems to be always a day late and a dollar short. The fact that there are barely any apps for the HTC and the fact that the iPhone has the full strength of many veteran app designers behind it means that the iPhone will always be better. My opinion, buy the iPhone4.
what does any of this have to do with the HTC HD2???
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So over the last couple weeks I’ve been looking in to purchasing a new phone, and to be honest it has been pretty difficult deciding which new phone to get. As I’m sure everyone has, I’ve taken at the iPhone 4 and I have to admit that the apps and such that it offers are impressive. I’m not sure what it is, but there’s something about the iPhone that just doesn’t do it for me though. Instead I’ve been getting pretty excited, like others, about the upcoming HTC Desire HD and although information about the phone is moslty based on rumors I still believe that this phone will be phenominal.
The phone will supposedly run Adroid 2.2 which will allow the phone’s cpu to run up to 2-5 times faster with the OS. This massive change is just between 2.1 and 2.2 and with future Android updates I’m sure that the Adroid OS will only help the HTC Desire HD reach an even higher potential. From what I’ve seen of the original HTC Desire, this phone will be awesome, but if I need a phone soon is it really worth the wait?
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I am like you, from what the rumours have told me about the Desire HD.. well you probably guessed from my username here I believe there is a HTC Launch Event in London on the 15th Sept so maybe we'll get some real facts on this device then.
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what does any of this have to do with the HTC HD2???
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Nothing of course, except that its HTC.. obviously this thread is probably better off being moved to the main general forum.
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Eh. Personally, I don’t think there’s anything HTC will be able to do to keep up with Apple and the iPhone line. Everything that it comes out with seems to be always a day late and a dollar short. The fact that there are barely any apps for the HTC and the fact that the iPhone has the full strength of many veteran app designers behind it means that the iPhone will always be better. My opinion, buy the iPhone4.
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I am with you the iphone is the best. It has the more gb's and the wifi's.
I'd personally rather have steve jobs decide how i get to use my phone.
the kicker Is i decided I wanted a iphone when Face time wouldnt work!
wow, noone started iphone flaming till now.. should i? ))
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Eh. Personally, I don’t think there’s anything HTC will be able to do to keep up with Apple and the iPhone line. Everything that it comes out with seems to be always a day late and a dollar short. The fact that there are barely any apps for the HTC and the fact that the iPhone has the full strength of many veteran app designers behind it means that the iPhone will always be better. My opinion, buy the iPhone4.
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Lol this did make me laugh, I know Apple invented video calls three months ago, and gimmicky apps definately make a phone.
The fact they made a phone with a 1Ghz processor and lesser specs than a HD2 eight months after it's release. And less than six months before HTC are on the cusp of releasing a dual core mobile processor with a brand new OS. But yeah, you're right, HTC will never be able to keep up.
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Lol this did make me laugh, I know Apple invented video calls three months ago, and gimmicky apps definately make a phone.
The fact they made a phone with a 1Ghz processor and lesser specs than a HD2 eight months after it's release. And less than six months before HTC are on the cusp of releasing a dual core mobile processor with a brand new OS. But yeah, you're right, HTC will never be able to keep up.
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that was EXACTLY my thought too.
but i thought i should first ask if i should start iphone bashing now or not :3 XD
D4rkSoRRoW said:
that was EXACTLY my thought too.
but i thought i should first ask if i should start iphone bashing now or not :3 XD
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I wouldn't call it iPhone bashing, it's just stating facts, with a little sarcasm tacked on for good measure!
The only plus for apple is it's stability.
On the other hand Apple keeps their mobiles low spec, so less chance for errors/problems.
The thing that affronts me the most is the fact that Steve Jobs determines wether apps can be installed or not (remember the "nude" app?), although by this testing / approving of software the phone is more stabe, the manufacturer decides what you can do with your phone, really: Big Brother (steve) is watching you.
Exactly for that reason I do not believe it is a good business phone... it is a good n00b-phone.
Agree
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The only plus for apple is it's stability.
On the other hand Apple keeps their mobiles low spec, so less chance for errors/problems.
The thing that affronts me the most is the fact that Steve Jobs determines wether apps can be installed or not (remember the "nude" app?), although by this testing / approving of software the phone is more stabe, the manufacturer decides what you can do with your phone, really: Big Brother (steve) is watching you.
Exactly for that reason I do not believe it is a good business phone... it is a good n00b-phone.
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I agree with Wilco on this one. I really do hate the fact that Steve Jobs has got his hand in everything little thing you’re able to do with the iPhone. A smart phone to me is almost like laptop nowadays, and for that reason I feel like I should be able to run anything I wish, whether it be stable for the phone or not. If it weren’t for that “affront” as Wilco says, I ‘d probably be jumping on the iPhone bandwagon with much less resistance.
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Lol this did make me laugh, I know Apple invented video calls three months ago, and gimmicky apps definately make a phone.
The fact they made a phone with a 1Ghz processor and lesser specs than a HD2 eight months after it's release. And less than six months before HTC are on the cusp of releasing a dual core mobile processor with a brand new OS. But yeah, you're right, HTC will never be able to keep up.
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Video calling that only works with WIFI and another iphone4...yeah thanks LOL.
I'm thinking about doing it. Anyone else make the plunge? What do you think of the incredible vs the 4s?
I haven't but I guess it just depends on what you like or dislike about your operating system and the phone looks.
I've never owned an apple anything much less an Iphone. I will say this though, I do have friends that have Iphones and I watch them power it up, zip right to an app or go right to the phone and start dialing away, seems pretty fast to me. My Dinc is somewhat laggy compared to their speeds of hitting buttons, like waiting for my dialer to come up or say the market to load or other stuff.
Now I realize I got apps I've downloaded etc, but so have they. I'm not pitching a sales for Iphone because I am not an Apple fan however, I personally think the Iphone is a hell of a lot sexier than most any other makers phones available. That aluminum housing is just badass looking.
Also realize this is just my thoughts compared to an OG Dinc, I would imagine the Inc 4g should be a crapload faster than my Dinc....
My gf just got this phone from the iPhone 4 yesterday. She loves it so far and is absolutely amazed how much you can customize. She was a little overwhelmed from everything but that's just because the iPhone had literally nothing to customize. Screen is soo crisp, an phone is fast.
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I would imagine the Inc 4g should be a crapload faster than my Dinc....
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Yes. This phone is a world of difference from the original Incredible. I loved the original Incredible but there was never any question that the iPhone was smoother--just completely impossible to customize without jailbreaking. With the Incredible 4G and Ice Cream Sandwich optimizations, the difference is negligible. So now it's really just a question of whether you want customizability or not, and which UI design you prefer. I think Sense 4 is much more beautiful than iOS, but that's a matter of taste.
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Polarimetric, that's good to hear, and what I was hoping to hear myself. One question though, I know I've heard of jailbreaking, and my interpretation of this was the same thing as rooting? If that's the case wouldn't the Iphone peeps have the same level as customizing their Iphones as we do our Androids?
I had a 4s prior. Yes pretty customizable if jailbroken, had nice themes. However I find myself preferring android, because of more options, connectivity, and 4G service, of course on Verizon.
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Polarimetric, that's good to hear, and what I was hoping to hear myself. One question though, I know I've heard of jailbreaking, and my interpretation of this was the same thing as rooting? If that's the case wouldn't the Iphone peeps have the same level as customizing their Iphones as we do our Androids?
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Theoretically, yes. Jailbreaking and rooting are pretty much the same thing (they're both just essentially using an exploit to remove the restrictions placed on the phone by the carrier/manufacturer/OS developer), so iPhones and Android phones in theory should be customizable to the same degree. However, one of the reasons the Android dev community is so much more robust (and thus Android phones are considerably more customizable) is the difference between Google's attitude toward the dev community and Apple's attitude. While Google has largely taken a look-the-other-way approach (the only way in which they've really ever put their foot down is disallowing Google-branded apps from being distributed with custom ROMs, but they've never done anything about the Gapps packages that float around the internet), Apple has devoted hours upon hours of development toward addling or completely getting rid of the iPhone dev community. Although they've been unsuccessful and jailbreaking still exists, Apple's adamant anti-development, closed-source policy has turned many developers toward Android. While almost all Android phones are customizable all the way down to the system level (installing a custom ROM can completely change the user experience), iPhones are mostly just tweakable. An iPhone is always going to be an iPhone. If you like iPhones, that may not be a problem for you, but if you like being part of a community that pretty much guarantees choice, Android will always be the way to go.
im on the verge of switching from my 4s to the inc 4g lte due to the fact that i miss android. this is my 3rd time switching from the iphone to android due to the fact that i miss lte and the community :silly:
My dad just traded in 2 old iphones and got the inc4
i think he will like the switch from crapple to android.
esp once i steal and root his phone,
IMO the only thing this phone needs is an Amoled screen and it would be absolutely perfect. Battery life is excellent even in low signal areas like my home. I really don't have anything to complain about with this phone...and I'm pretty picky. I'm just not a fan of the larger screen phones...battery life suffers tremendously. My wife was playing with it all weekend, she has the iphone 4s and wants the Inc 4G immediately. And she is a die-hard iphone junky. Let's see how she feels when the iphone 5 comes out...hehe.
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IMO the only thing this phone needs is an Amoled screen and it would be absolutely perfect. Battery life is excellent even in low signal areas like my home. I really don't have anything to complain about with this phone...and I'm pretty picky. I'm just not a fan of the larger screen phones...battery life suffers tremendously. My wife was playing with it all weekend, she has the iphone 4s and wants the Inc 4G immediately. And she is a die-hard iphone junky. Let's see how she feels when the iphone 5 comes out...hehe.
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I think even once icrap5 comes out inc4 will still be on top, crapple just sucks, what are they gunna do make it a 3.8' screen. lol, iphone4s was the biggest joke in scmartphone history.
andybones said:
I think even once icrap5 comes out inc4 will still be on top, crapple just sucks, what are they gunna do make it a 3.8' screen. lol, iphone4s was the biggest joke in scmartphone history.
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I don't see how that can be said. I went from a DINC 1 to the iPhone 4S and was amazed with how smooth it is. I miss Android and flashing stuff some, so I'm looking back into it a bit. Just don't understand the statements like this. The thing is stupid fast, takes some amazing pictures, and the battery life has been killer.
Not a fanboy at all, just can respect things. If the DINC 4G LTE came out before the 28th, I'd have snagged one and kept my unlimited. Now I think I'll have to buy phones outright. :crying:
If you have been sticking with iPhone or at least iPod or iPad, I strongly recommend you to move over to Android world. I had iPhone 4S before (although it's not my previous phone), it's dramatic but more fun to discover. iPhone was just too bring for me, and I didn't like jailbreaking because the system got unstable. If you like customizing stuff, I'm pretty sure you would like the phone!
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I don't see how that can be said. I went from a DINC 1 to the iPhone 4S and was amazed with how smooth it is. I miss Android and flashing stuff some, so I'm looking back into it a bit. Just don't understand the statements like this. The thing is stupid fast, takes some amazing pictures, and the battery life has been killer.
Not a fanboy at all, just can respect things. If the DINC 4G LTE came out before the 28th, I'd have snagged one and kept my unlimited. Now I think I'll have to buy phones outright. :crying:
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While I agree his statement was childish...
You went from the dinc 1 to the iPhone 4s... That's like going from a tube tv to a 1080 Samsung flat screen. I owned the dinc 1 before but that was like 10 tech years ago...
Comparing the latest incredible 4g to the iphone 4s would be more fair. I am stunned how far android has evolved and HTC Sense becoming an actual benefit rather than a burden.
So far the incredible has a great camera, killer OS, and is smooth as butter. I just wish manufactures really did spend more time coming out with quality 4 inchers.
HTC is the maker. Cmon google! Give them the nexus.
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While I agree his statement was childish...
You went from the dinc 1 to the iPhone 4s... That's like going from a tube tv to a 1080 Samsung flat screen. I owned the dinc 1 before but that was like 10 tech years ago...
Comparing the latest incredible 4g to the iphone 4s would be more fair. I am stunned how far android has evolved and HTC Sense becoming an actual benefit rather than a burden.
So far the incredible has a great camera, killer OS, and is smooth as butter. I just wish manufactures really did spend more time coming out with quality 4 inchers.
HTC is the maker. Cmon google! Give them the nexus.
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According to the rumor mill, Google is giving everyone the Nexus. http://www.redmondpie.com/google-wi...h-november-to-commemorate-5-years-of-android/
So HTC getting the Nexus? How is that going to work?
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According to the rumor mill, Google is giving everyone the Nexus. http://www.redmondpie.com/google-wi...h-november-to-commemorate-5-years-of-android/
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If I read that right it says, "Google looks to be going all-out in an attempt to appease consumers in both software and hardware, the latter of which will likely be all provided by Samsung."
I really hope those 5 devices aren't Samsung!
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If I read that right it says, "Google looks to be going all-out in an attempt to appease consumers in both software and hardware, the latter of which will likely be all provided by Samsung."
I really hope those 5 devices aren't Samsung!
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Ooh. Should have read the specific article I linked to before I linked you to it.
That article seems to theorize they'll all be Samsung, but most other articles I've read have said that the 5 incoming Nexus devices will come from all different manufacturers, bringing more diversity to the Nexus phone brand. Here's a better article on the same subject that lines up better with what I wanted to say: http://androidandme.com/2012/05/new...from-different-manufacturers-by-thanksgiving/
So, essentially, if the rumor is true, the major manufacturers (presumably HTC and Samsung, obviously the Google-owned Motorola; the other two depend on who they can get--I'd bet Asus will be one of them) would all contribute a phone to the Nexus brand, making Google's Nexus store kind of like a carrier of its own.
I am down for that!
Considering I'm stuck buying phones at retail I'm in for sure. Very exciting news.
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I'm thinking about doing it. Anyone else make the plunge? What do you think of the incredible vs the 4s?
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The incredible is a way better choice, u will be happy with ur decision, considering ur going to root it, only get it if ur planning on rooting. I am purchasing this phone tomorrow, upgrading from the HTC Thunderbolt and I'm very exited.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-5003.php
maybe its cos the sdcard card and small battery ?
what else ?
People are drinking the Apple and Samsung kool-aid
Made some terrible decisions, invested heavily in audio beats. Got very complacent and gave the initiative to Samsung who took it both hands and ran with it.
Launched poor products no sd card, no removable battery latter not end of the word.
HTC one x was good but they shot themselves in the foot by not including ext sd card.
HTC will have to get a move on with htc j butterfly if they want to win back their fans from Samsung.
HTC J butterfly can turn it around for them if they sort themselves out.
I would go back to htc in a flash since their products look better then the plastic polished crap Samsung use.
btw I'm using galaxy note 2, best phone on the market, which I'm very happy with but hate the plastic crap.
Samsung and Apple both produce one core line of phone and push it across all carriers, at least for their main line phone. HTC produces custom phones and is inconsistent with there phones. They've produced top, middle and bottom tier phones which give consumers mixed feelings and not a consistent experience access the board. I think Samsung has done better at marketing to. HTC has great phones, and I believe the Chinese government will prop them up if they have to, they will bounce back.
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I'm glad this is happening because its going to force HTC to do what they used to do. Make phones that completely outmatched the competition. And when that happens and it will I'll gladly return.
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I think.its because they have too many phones, they need one phone on all carriers
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I think.its because they have too many phones, they need one phone on all carriers
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You right there HTC did spread themselves bit thin last year.
Focus one tablet, phablet, phone and that's it. I'm sure they will win over business unless Samsung drop their plastic craps.
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Poor business decisions and diminishing quality control will do that
Just basing this comment on some of my own experiences. I've never owned a Samsung so I can only go from what I've read/heard.
Currently on a Rezound and prior to that was the Dinc, Droid X2, Droid 2 Global and OG Droid (no particular order) Oh and the wife's iPhone 4S. Now some of my reasons, this is by far the WORST battery I have ever had. The Dinc wasn't terrible but I did expect more.
I believe part of the reason is the overlay of Sense. I loved it when I first used it now I'm just tired of it and I'm sure others are as well. You don't get the true experience of the Android OS which is extremely noticeable with the release of ICS. Lets not forget if your running true ICS and what a little Sense flavor there are countless Widgets to download.
Pile on everything mentioned above and you have a receipe for disaster.
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Typically, profits fall when a number of situations occur, all of which affect the bottom line and make investors unhappy.
1 - Fixed costs are too high relative to sales - the cost of running the business (people's salaries and benefits, office space, etc.)
2 - Sales are lower than forecasts - competitors took market share away that HTC was planning on having but didn't get (Apple, Samsung, etc.)
A way to offset high fixed costs is to move jobs to countries where labor costs are lower for salaried and hourly jobs. The trend with tech companies is to establish facilities in China near the supply base. Not only do you reduce fixed costs, but you also reduce freight costs - freight on board is reduced (the transit time for inbound materials to the manufacturing facilities is significantly reduced so money isn't tied up into materials while the materials are being shipped point to point), expediting costs aren't as much of a necessity because materials aren't traveling half way around the world if production was in North America but materials are coming from Taiwan for example... There are a lot of pluses from a corporate profit standpoint as you can see.
When sales are lower than forecasts, quarterly earnings targets are missed and investors never like to see that. Investors have a major interest in quarterly projections and in companies being able to hit their targets. Investors are very quick to leap to conclusions about a company's future when a quarterly report announces that targets have been missed. Stock prices are adversely affected and investors look at other options that can make them more money. If quarter after quarter, the story continues to be consistent, the company's Board of Directors starts to get antsy and they put major pressure on the CEO and CFO to get back on track. Many C-level executives lose their jobs because of quarterly and annual losses. Talk about pressure!
Investors want to see profits that not only meet expectation, but they also want to see smart decisions being made for long term profitability. I haven't personally followed HTC's news but I'm concerned with the recent declaration that HTC isn't doing well financially. I'll be checking out some facts this weekend so thanks for the post!
riz157 said:
You right there HTC did spread themselves bit thin last year.
Focus one tablet, phablet, phone and that's it. I'm sure they will win over business unless Samsung drop their plastic craps.
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I completely agree. I think it's the main problem with Android distribution method. If each carrier only had a handful of devices, the better.
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I completely agree. I think it's the main problem with Android distribution method. If each carrier only had a handful of devices, the better.
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I agree with this. If HTC went to a few flagship models, and they used those hardware models for all the carriers, they could focus more on getting those smartphones right, with both hardware and software.
I know people don't want to hear this but as someone who absolutely loves Android, I still feel that apple makes a hell of a device. I would like to see HTC use the resources that are so spread out currently, and focus on making a few top tier phones that are of that same build quality as the iPhone or the couple of Android phones that came close over the years.
But I also feel that way about Android in general. I would like to see Google start to have higher standards for devices from manufacturers, and instead of making android work good on a million and one devices, make it work incredibly well on a smaller number of devices.
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Just basing this comment on some of my own experiences. I've never owned a Samsung so I can only go from what I've read/heard.
Currently on a Rezound and prior to that was the Dinc, Droid X2, Droid 2 Global and OG Droid (no particular order) Oh and the wife's iPhone 4S. Now some of my reasons, this is by far the WORST battery I have ever had. The Dinc wasn't terrible but I did expect more.
I believe part of the reason is the overlay of Sense. I loved it when I first used it now I'm just tired of it and I'm sure others are as well. You don't get the true experience of the Android OS which is extremely noticeable with the release of ICS. Lets not forget if your running true ICS and what a little Sense flavor there are countless Widgets to download.
Pile on everything mentioned above and you have a receipe for disaster.
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Too many android devices. With every different brand putting out new phones every couple months, there will be large fluctuation in any company profits.
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You're on XDA and there are 99% stable AOSP ROMs available. Get on it
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He means straight out of the box.
CharliesTheMan said:
I agree with this. If HTC went to a few flagship models, and they used those hardware models for all the carriers, they could focus more on getting those smartphones right, with both hardware and software.
I know people don't want to hear this but as someone who absolutely loves Android, I still feel that apple makes a hell of a device. I would like to see HTC use the resources that are so spread out currently, and focus on making a few top tier phones that are of that same build quality as the iPhone or the couple of Android phones that came close over the years.
But I also feel that way about Android in general. I would like to see Google start to have higher standards for devices from manufacturers, and instead of making android work good on a million and one devices, make it work incredibly well on a smaller number of devices.
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Nexus!
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He means straight out of the box.
Nexus!
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If HTC would have had better designs in the last year, Google would have picked them for the nexus 4
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I get that it's not a Nexus 4 and it's around $100 more off contract. I also get that the GS3 has more brand awareness, but this is a really awesome phone. I actually think the LG skin is good and adds a lot of functionality over stock Android.
I have a GS3, Note II, iPhone 5, and Lumia 920. This is my favorite phone out of all of them. The screen, feel in the hand, speed, and software touches make it almost a perfect device. Battery life has been good and my only real complaint is that the camera could have been better.
So what's holding it back? Marketing? I know LG has stumbled in the past, but this is not one of those times. I honestly probably wouldn't have even thought to buy the phone if not for the article about Consumer Reports rating it above the iPhone 5 and GS3 in customer satisfaction. I had to see what it was about and fell in love with it right away in the store.
As it stands, I couldn't recommend this phone more highly to people on AT&T who want an Android phone. I would definitely recommend it over the GS3, and that's saying a lot. The lack of activity in these forums, along with the sparse development tells me that it's definitely not getting into enough hands, and that's unfortunate.
LG's has a rather tarnished reputation as far as smartphone is concerned, they've had long lines of disappointing and mediocre mid-tier releases over the years plus poor record of software updates. Even with a phone like OG, it's going to take awhile to reboot their image.
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LG's has a rather tarnished reputation as far as smartphone is concerned, they've had long lines of disappointing and mediocre mid-tier releases over the years plus poor record of software updates. Even with a phone like OG, it's going to take awhile to reboot their image.
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Nuff Said.
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It's got 1M users, so I'd say it's selling well for a phone not made by Apple, Samsung, or HTC.
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It's got 1M users, so I'd say it's selling well for a phone not made by Apple, Samsung, or HTC.
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That's definitely encouraging, but it could be much better and the forums are a ghost town comparatively.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_briefly_makes_it_2nd_top_phone_manufacturer_in_the_us-news-5371.php
I've not been a great fan of LG until this phone. I briefly considered that 3d camera phone from 2011 on AT&T that LG made, but ultimately chose the SII (and I made the right choice; I was one more f-ed up phone from buying an iphone). This phone impressed me in reviews and in stores (the demos blew me away). I chose it against the SIII and the One X and other flagship phones due to it matching what I wanted. I loved most of the SIII, but I hated that it had a physical home button. The one x seemed nice, but I didn't like non expandable storage and an unremovable battery. The only thing I had against the LGOG was the battery being built in; however, everything else about it sold me. I feel that LG has finally made a phone worth it (2 phones counting the Nexus), and have the potential to beat Samsung. However, this is an uphill battle for LG. I personally have known people to pick the SIII just because Samsung is the most widely known. LG will have to fight against that in order to be purchased. Plus, people are more impressed by expensive phones, and sometimes buy the expensive ones because they assume those are the best. I really think that that, oddly enough, is also contributing to the LGOG having slightly lower sales numbers.
Tl;dr
LG has a fight with Samsung due to name recognition, and price drops may have had a negative effect. Many customers don't research phones thoroughly, and buy from a certain brand, or the expensive ones (because you get what you pay for).
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I'm happy for getting the phone for only $49, but I can't grasp the reason behind the price drop. OG is their only qualified flagship in years yet they are on sale at the price point of low-end giveaways. Granted it's probably just weekend promo but still, I find it odd to lower the price to this range in a non-holiday season.
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I'm happy for getting the phone for only $49, but I can't grasp the reason behind the price drop. OG is their only qualified flagship in years yet they are on sale at the price point of low-end giveaways. Granted it's probably just weekend promo but still, I find it odd to lower the price to this range in a non-holiday season.
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I think the reasoning behind the price drop is building for the future, if you get your best phone in as many hands possible, the people who by it recommend the brand to others and are more likely to buy lg in the future when its time to upgrade.
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I think the reasoning behind the price drop is building for the future, if you get your best phone in as many hands possible, the people who by it recommend the brand to others and are more likely to buy lg in the future when its time to upgrade.
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I know if any of my friends are looking into a new phone I will put in a good word for the OG. And that is funny because when it came out I originally looked at it and then went "Nah, I still want the One X."
By the time I was able to upgrade, the One X+ was out, at double the price of the OG and I didn't want an outdated phone. Now I'm not saying the One X isn't good, it had just already been replaced by a refresher phone.
I am soo happy with this phone.
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I know if any of my friends are looking into a new phone I will put in a good word for the OG. And that is funny because when it came out I originally looked at it and then went "Nah, I still want the One X."
By the time I was able to upgrade, the One X+ was out, at double the price of the OG and I didn't want an outdated phone. Now I'm not saying the One X isn't good, it had just already been replaced by a refresher phone.
I am soo happy with this phone.
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The Tegra 3 isn't all that great for speed or battery and I can't stand HTC's broken multitasking.
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The Tegra 3 isn't all that great for speed or battery and I can't stand HTC's broken multitasking.
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Half of the reason I made this decision.
I had a Sony Xperia X10 with an ancient 1Ghz snapdragon and then got an Asus Transformer with a Tegra 2...
So I was impressed more by Nvidia/Tegra at the time than Qualcomm/Snapdragon (I know, completely unfair).
But I had been reading everywhere that the S4 Pro was a beast and much better than Tegra 3s.
I don't like Sense anyways and I would have had a custom ROM, so the multitasking wasn't a big deal.
We have an extra gig of RAM to play with too. :highfive:
could it possibly be that the talk of the optimus g pro is throw the prices so low and being released soon.
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could it possibly be that the talk of the optimus g pro is throw the prices so low and being released soon.
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Doubt it. If the price stays low in states, doesn't bode well with G launch in Europe, unless LG do a dual tier launch of G & G Pro at the same time, but that's a remote possibility given G is set for March release in EU region.
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could it possibly be that the talk of the optimus g pro is throw the prices so low and being released soon.
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There's always something else around the corner. The Pro is likely months from hitting the U. S. on any carrier.
In all honesty, I'd still choose the G. I prefer the size and the 200mhz overclock would hardly be noticeable.
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There's always something else around the corner. The Pro is likely months from hitting the U. S. on any carrier.
In all honesty, I'd still choose the G. I prefer the size and the 200mhz overclock would hardly be noticeable.
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Completely agree. And it won't be long until we are able to overclock our phones too.
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There's always something else around the corner. The Pro is likely months from hitting the U. S. on any carrier.
In all honesty, I'd still choose the G. I prefer the size and the 200mhz overclock would hardly be noticeable.
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As I've heard before, "Don't chase technology 'cause you'll lose."
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Completely agree. And it won't be long until we are able to overclock our phones too.
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Not to mention that 1080p display will require more processing power making the speed difference negligible.
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Speaking critically of the android community for a brief second..
As much as people criticize Apple fans for putting too much value in brand name, a lot of Android fans are really overly zealous Samsung fanboys.
I won't say it's a bad brand or that the phones they make aren't nice.. But, taking a stroll to the Android subreddit you will find a lot of rabid Samsung fanboyism.
We hear less criticism of Samsung these days because they are just that popular.. still I remember as though it were yesterday people wouldn't shut up about how cheap the phones felt, how horrible various aspects of touchwiz were..
And sadly a lot of people won't even consider the LG OG because it's not Samsung.. but, if Samsung were to incorporate some of the LGOG features people would rave over it. I can see it now... slipping the LGOG specs and skin into a Samsung shell and hearing people brag and brag and act as though it Samsung were curing cancer.
Outside of that, honestly at $350 the N4 makes a hell of a deal. Even if you had a contract but, would like to keep your service without signing up for another 2 years would be a nice option.
Besides all of that? Well your average customer is told what to buy really. Speaking as a salesman I can tell you, if you don't know what you are buying, I'll be happy to tell you. (Granted I no longer work in sales but, it was a lesson learned.)
Edit: one final thought. I don't care because I'm honestly just that happy with it..... but, we still don't have an official cm10 port and that hurts us big time.
The artical at androidheadlines says about significantly less sales figures of LG G2 in spite of being great phone. (I can not paste link here).
It says :
LG wanted to sell at least 3 million units internationally, too, but they’ve only sold 2.3 million, which is 20 percent less than what they were expecting to sell. To reach even those 2.3 million customers, LG had to increase its marketing budget, too, but it doesn’t look like their marketing campaigns have been very effective. Unfortunately for LG, marketing campaign effectiveness also depends on how strong your brand is and if you’re the kind of company that creates excellent products.
Whosoever has seen my G2 mobile felt that it is the one of the best phone which they also should have owned. However, most of them were pretty unaware (before they saw my phone) about LG G2.
What are the reasons do you all feel for low sales figures?
In my opinion, may be following are the reason for its poor sales,
1) Poor Marketting ?? - In India, I see that LG has advertised phone very poorly. Even their advertisements were not that catchy when compared to Sony Xperia Z1, iphone and Samsung phones.
2) Brand Value ?? - LG is not considered as top brand for their phones. In fact LG G2 is my first LG phone. Before that I have used Nokia N900, Galaxy S2, HTC, iphone...but never ever thought of buying LG phone.
3) Not removable battery ??
4) Position of buttons ??
5) Competion has better mobiles ?? - Samsung Galaxy S4 and Note 3, Xperia Z1, Iphone 5S, Lumia 1020
6) Launch of Nexus 5 ??
Do you see any other reason for its poor sale?
Another reason would be bad update behavior on previous phones.
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Another reason would be bad update behavior on previous phones.
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I don't think it's LG's update policy. The Mainstream doesn't care when or how they get updates, they even don't know which is the current Android Version. We (here on XDA) are only a view percent of all Consumers.
Although i agree on bad Marketing. On the launch of the S4 there've been dozens of TV commercials, Newspaper adds and and and .. honestly i haven't seen a single TV commercial about the G2
Before the G2 i owned the S4, which was rather quickly sold (no regrets - bad Phone in my opinion) and the HTC One. Seen the G2 in a Phoneshop and quickly fallen in love with it.
But anyhow that's the burden of small Phone builder companies like LG or HTC. They suffer from the almighty Samsung even they build the much better Phones. I always would prefer a HTC or LG device over Samsung but that's not what the mainstream thinks
Its just visibility thats hurting them. The HTC One and S4 get all the headlines in the Android world, as far as branded unit go, and the N5 gets all the headlines as far as software is concerned, but the nexus isnt a big seller, despite what the Nexus nazis think.
LG should take this as a learning curve and make sure LG G2 is updated quickly, also adveritse the next phone a more. The G Flex has got some coverage beacuse G2 rolled the ball for LG, now it is upto them to keep the momentum going.
2.3 million might not be a great number, but it is the beggining, probably LG will end with 2.5 million which is still pretty decent. This is how Galaxy series started for Samsung, G2 can do the same for LG.
It's all marketing. People will buy anything shoved in their face.
I'm in Malaysia and my G2 is a Taiwan set since LG Malaysia doesn't care at all to launch this device here. Luckily lots of importer saw this opportunity to sell imported sets here.
Brand? LG seems to be doing well in other department. It's all about marketing really. I was in Aeon plaza the other day. People were all flocking in Samsung shop while Sony shop next door is empty.
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What a shame. This is such a great phone.
I agree that the problem is branding and marketing. Samsung marketing budget is insane.
I see LG commercials on TV all the time, plus the carriers seem to be pushing the phone. I guess it comes down to brand recognition and a bad reputation of being slow on updates..if any at all, they're headed down the right track if they keep the momentum going, 2014 could be a successful year for them.
I think the problem lies with the salespeople. When I was waiting for the Sprint variant to come out, I went to 5 different stores that sold cell phones (2 best buys, 2 AT&T stores, and a Sprint store.) Only one of them, of the five had a G2 on the display. There weren't any advertisements for the G2 (posters, nothing.) in 3 of the stores, and 2 of the stores the salespeople didn't even know what a G2 was.
The only store that had a demo unit was the second Best Buy I visited and when I went to pick up my device from them, they insisted I go with the Note 3. I just have to say, with Samsung being the standard, it's hard to fight against but LG's marketing is very weak here, at least in Jacksonville FL. Of course, all five stores I visited had Samsung ads plastered on every square inch of available space they had.
One thing: LG needs to dish out faster updates. Like Kitkat should come in Jan 2014 itself. All the trch websites are bound to pick up on that. Samsung nerds did good publicity for them and hence they are where they are. LG needs to make sure that whatever limited customer base they have gets the best service in terms of hardware and software.
Average buyers will follow soon.
1 For many people that know about the companies, it's the history of the updates. I was very hesitant because of that. That can be corrected if they push out updates and keep them coming for at least a couple android versions. Look at Samsung's reputation after the Moment. That phone was a pain in the arse and turned me off of Samsung. But they have definitely come back from that. LG can do the same by keeping this phone up to date.
1 For the general population is the timing. A LOT of people renewed their contracts with a HTC One, or the S4 or Note3. So they "couldn't" get the G2, because they don't want to pay full price.
Having a removable battery and an SDcard slot would have been a huge benefit.
Marketing would have helped a lot too, especially for companies like Sprint with the G2 being the first phone to support Sprint Spark. And for Verizon to advertise more about the wireless charging being built in.
For the comment about the sales people, at the Sprint store I went to, they highly recommended the G2 when I went in to compare the S4 and the G2.
I think it's due to the marketing of the device more so than the reputation of LG. I've seen maybe 5 G2 commercials on prime time TV shows. They need to sell the strengths of the phone, which to me is the speed and the huge battery. Only once have I completely drained the battery and that's because I was using it literally all day. If they sold it like the droids 48 hour battery life and mentioned the processor is on par with a new laptop people would be more interested. I think Samsung has cornered the market with the S4 because of their marketing. Don't they have a marketing budget of like $24 BILLION next year? It's hard to compete with something like that.
Personally, I'm always apprehensive about buying any sort of electronics device. I never want to get stuck with a lemon but sometimes it happens. The only thing I can do to try to avoid that is to read and watch reviews to get a better sense of whats out there. Sales people are generally going to do whats best for them. They want the commission. So that said, I almost didn't go with the G2 because the reviews were very negative. In retrospect, I can honestly say the reviews were incredibly unfair. But the average person might be swayed by them. Seriously, if Apple or Samsung put the volume and power button in the middle of the back of the phone it would be hailed as innovation. But LG did it and it was panned. The funny thing is, I don't think its nearly that big of a change as reviews made it out to be.
I think Post #2 hit the nail on the head.
LG really screwed over every previous owner with updates. And you can't say "oh the average user doesn't care about updates" is a big load of crap. People have been expecting updates ever since the first iPhone. This isn't 2005 where everyone has a flip dumbphone. EVERYONE looks for updates. Why do you think Samsung is so big now? Because everyone knows that Samsung will push 1-2 updates out to you and the software is quality. LG got the G2 right with software and hardware quality (no bugs or broken issues) but past LG phones have been notoriously known for having quirky bugs (reboot issues, overheating, GPS, etc) and never getting updated.
LG's previously history is so bad, that I am receiving Class Action Lawsuit papers in the mail on the LG G2x.
This hurts sales and it is nobodies fault except LG. This is exactly what happens when you don't take care of your customers (in any aspect; washer/dryer, tv, etc). I love the G2, as many do, but I really really really beat myself up over picking one up. I almost didn't do it just because it had LG on the front.
I can see LG has a winner with the G2. Their marketing team is doing a great job because I am seeing tons of commercials and ads for it. The name is getting out there and sales will probably be steady moving forward. But LG has to keep the ball moving with a steady stream of updates for the G2 or else they will be right back in the same "oh our sales numbers are low and we don't know why" category next generation.
Bad marketing and the name brand are the culprits.
An average Joe doesn't know and doesn't care about what inside the device, left alone which version of the OS. They don't know whether its 4.2.2 or 4.4.2. Average Joes don't care about the update, they just simply want to use the phone.
Samsung is too big in the market and overshadow the LG, not only in the the Android phone market but also in TV market.
It's the brand and marketing. Plane and simple. A name like galaxy sticks in your head. You hear droid... and you know what someone is talking about. G2? It doesn't stick in the mind. People like catchy. Also, Sammy slammed the crap out of iPhones in its commercials. The next big thing is already here. That's genius. Learning from you.. yawn lol. Why did the og droid do so well? Was it better then an iPhone at the time? No.. but it's ad campaign and branding was amazing. The idont commercial was one of the best ever.
When non android users ask me about my g2.. they say one of 2 things. Is that one of those galaxy phones or is that a droid phone?
When the galaxy nexus was first leaked, it was either the droid nexus or nexus prime. I was actually really bummed when it was called a galaxy because of how cool nexus prime sounded to me. Point is, I almost didn't buy it because of its name.
Branding matters....
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I think how its been marketed and not the quantity of ads. I've seen a ton of ads in southern California, but it's all about the back buttons and camera.
If they focused on how much of a beast it is, it might have turned a few more heads.
The droid 48 hour claim ain't nothing (good commercial though). I'm on hour 58 with 25% battery remaining.
It's a beast, sell it as such.
My $0.02
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They definitely need to push the battery more in their advertising. It's the only reason I got this over the Nexus 5!
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I think Post #2 hit the nail on the head.
LG really screwed over every previous owner with updates. And you can't say "oh the average user doesn't care about updates" is a big load of crap. People have been expecting updates ever since the first iPhone. This isn't 2005 where everyone has a flip dumbphone. EVERYONE looks for updates.
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This is simply not true. Out of EVERYONE I know with an Android phone, not a single one of them has EVER asked me how I like the new update, or when will we get an update. EVER. Those of us that know anything about upcoming updates are the rarity. We only know about them because of the sites we visit and participate in. Most likely a fraction of a % of the total smartphone universe.
Thanks Devs. From my VZW G2.
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This is simply not true. Out of EVERYONE I know with an Android phone, not a single one of them has EVER asked me how I like the new update, or when will we get an update. EVER. Those of us that know anything about upcoming updates are the rarity. We only know about them because of the sites we visit and participate in. Most likely a fraction of a % of the total smartphone universe.
Thanks Devs. From my VZW G2.
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My colleague has said this to me, "All I did is install an update and everything looks different."
I believe that people want to be on the latest software available to them, but don't have the slightest clue what's different between versions.