Morning, i've been looking at the ASUS Prime for a while now and my it looks amazing... however, i do c++ work in some of my programming classes and my ultimate question is will it be able to support windows 8? Many people have mentioned running remote desktop and doing my programming from my table... i'm just trying to find a smaller portable alternative then my 17 inch ASUS laptop.
giggz2010 said:
Morning, i've been looking at the ASUS Prime for a while now and my it looks amazing... however, i do c++ work in some of my programming classes and my ultimate question is will it be able to support windows 8? Many people have mentioned running remote desktop and doing my programming from my table... i'm just trying to find a smaller portable alternative then my 17 inch ASUS laptop.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1465&nojs=1#goto_forumsearch
Officially: No, the Transformer Prime will not support Windows 8 because A) it doesn't support the minimum hardware specs, and B) it's unlikely that Asus will work with Microsoft to get official certification for the device.
Unofficially: I'd be rather surprised if the hackers here on XDA don't figure out a way to get it running at some point. No promises on when/if or how well it will work when they do.
Linux C/C++ programming can be done on device by installing the tools (easier in anDebian chroot), but Windows development is limited to cross compiling.
You will not see Win8 on this thing but someday ASUS may release a similar device that has it out of box.
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Thanks for the info
I know that its not cross compatable, but cany you take the code from the document and copy and paste it to visual studios to run a compatable windows build.
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Not sure if this is the correct forum to post this. I have searched the web and this forum and only found partial answers so please excuse me if this has been discussed. If so a reply with the link would be very helpful.
With AMD and Intel both producing low powered x86 chips, especially AMDs C-50 which incorporates the Radeon HD graphics processor on the same chip, I was wondering if there are any limitations for hardware manufacturers to use these kind of chips on Tablets running Android.
I know currently Google does not have an x86 port of their own, but are there any particular reasons that would stop them if the chips were comparable in power usage and have faster performance? What would be some drawbacks? Would all the apps run fine on the x86 architecture or would each app need to be recompiled to run on these devices?
I guess what I'm really asking is with your expertise do you see x86 processors as a future of Android tablet computing?
Thanks in advance for all the input.
In theory, they'd just have to re-write the bytecode interpreter on the Dalvik-VM (Assuming it works like Sun's Java VM) Everything you run on your android is on a virtual machine, meaning it has the capability of being cross platform. So yes. It's very possible.
http://www.androidx86.org have you checked this site out??
1st ICS build for virtual machines
Just check out this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19824180
Given the choice with all other things being equal, I'd take a modern ARM over an X86 chip, unless I'm going to run Windows ware. I've used x86 for like almost 20 out of nearly 23.5 years, and wouldn't trust an X86 Android tablet, now that I've dug into my TF .
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Spidey01 said:
Given the choice with all other things being equal, I'd take a modern ARM over an X86 chip, unless I'm going to run Windows ware. I've used x86 for like almost 20 out of nearly 23.5 years, and wouldn't trust an X86 Android tablet, now that I've dug into my TF .
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Wouldnt trust it for what reason?
Windows 8 will be released with an x86 and ARM version.
The Android OS itself runs very smoothly on x86, I have been using a small hp thinclient t5565 as a debug machine instead of my phone or a virtual machine for 2 weeks now and it performs admirably. Granted I cant play HD games on it, but thats what I have the Enjoy 7 tablet for. android-x86 is just brilliant, in many cases the generic froyo and gingerbread builds breathe new life into old rusty machines, making them very useful once more. The only thing missing, is better generic hardware support for ethernet and various 3D display devices. I am currently looking at an option of using android-x86 as a swop and go solution, since my test machine runs the installed system completely from a USB thumb drive. Which means if it breaks, pull the stick out, pop in another machine and you are back to work. Perfect solution for a POS terminal, library internet access machine or even something to keep the kids out of your hair.
ashmem in Android x86
I developed a simple shared memory IPC in Linux already and I would also like to do it in Android x86.
Does anyone knows on how to do this(shared memory or should I call it "ashmem"?) ?
I really need your help. I'm still a beginner in Android x86, so I hope you can give a step-by-step guide.
Yeah... I have been dreaming of the day I get my note sense I typed "tablet phone" into google this past January. In one of my random thoughts came my galaxy note dual booting ics and windows 8. I feel it would be amazing to just be able to use windows 8 in my car (maybe have windows on an sd card and Andy on the internal storage) and use the metro apps. But it would mostly be for the sake of saying I have windows 8 in my pocket. Is this possible? I know windows runs on arm now but I'm not sure if it will run on the arm 7 in the AT&T note. Thanks!
Ps. How do I do it if it's possible?
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I think it would be awesome! We'll probably see Ubuntu on it before anything else.
Wow, that would be cool, but unlikely.
Anyway, MS has being yapping about this for 10 years, about how the are going to embed Windows.
From what I remember, it will not run any normal Windows app, so what's the point?
If it ran Regular Windows apps it would crush IOS and Android, but it won't
(i'm pretty sure. Hope is fun though eh? )
well, Windows 8 is supposed to support ARM architecture, so it is technically a possibility. From what I have seen rumored however, the ARM capable W8 will only be available commercially and licenses will be strictly enforced. This makes me sad on the bright side, Im sure some employee somewhere will leak the ARM W8 for all to use. Whether or not it will be able to compile and be used on these kinds of devices is up in the air.
ARM Win8 comes with Office suite out of box. That's about most ppl uses a laptop today.
Other apps can easily be recompiled to support ARM. So given time, it won't be a problem.
Win8 is a closed source platform. Obtain source code is highly unlikely and illegal. So is porting win8 to any platform that is not officially licensed to.
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ARM Win8 comes with Office suite out of box. That's about most ppl uses a laptop today.
Other apps can easily be recompiled to support ARM. So given time, it won't be a problem.
Win8 is a closed source platform. Obtain source code is highly unlikely and illegal. So is porting win8 to any platform that is not officially licensed to.
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if windows 8 supports the galaxy note, wouldnt we be able to put it on there?
and what about the dev preview. just as a test. would that work?
I remember reading that WOA is only going to support Microsoft apps and won't support running, emulating or porting any x86/64 apps. Anybody know if that's definite?
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if windows 8 supports the galaxy note, wouldnt we be able to put it on there?
and what about the dev preview. just as a test. would that work?
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It won't. Microsoft will require specialized hardware to use Win8 (very similar to what they did to Wp7). It already requires a UEFI secure boot on any arm tab and mandated that the devices loaded with Win8 can't dual boot Android. It's not something that you can install yourself. It requires a ROM build by OEMs.
Any public beta you will see release will be x86 version only. ARM tablet version will never be released to public even after release. OEM only.
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I think it would be awesome! We'll probably see Ubuntu on it before anything else.
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will it be possible to dual boot Ubuntu and Android?
zoso28 said:
I remember reading that WOA is only going to support Microsoft apps and won't support running, emulating or porting any x86/64 apps. Anybody know if that's definite?
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It supports any app that compiles into ARM code, don't have to be Microsoft only app but x86 apps certainly won't work. Emulating x86 code on ARM is useless.
Metro apps also must be published through Marketplace. You can't install/sideload Metro apps.
Microsoft recently released a blog post about this. They do specify WOA (Windows on ARM) will not natively support x86[-64] programs, nor will they provide any support for running them; still, I can't see them trying to block third-party emulators.
WOA will also not be distributed as standalone software, so I think it _extremely_ unlikely that it will ever be ported to the Note. They state that the goal for WOA devices to be "integrated, end-to-end products that include hardware, firmware, and Windows on ARM software." So there is basically no chance of official support, and since MS won't be releasing the source for WOA, I don't really think it's possible.
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Microsoft recently released a blog post about this. They do specify WOA (Windows on ARM) will not natively support x86[-64] programs, nor will they provide any support for running them; still, I can't see them trying to block third-party emulators.
WOA will also not be distributed as standalone software, so I think it _extremely_ unlikely that it will ever be ported to the Note. They state that the goal for WOA devices to be "integrated, end-to-end products that include hardware, firmware, and Windows on ARM software." So there is basically no chance of official support, and since MS won't be releasing the source for WOA, I don't really think it's possible.
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well that was disappointing.
So i guess that answers my question. thanks
But it means Samsung could do it!
lte + vnc to win8 at home=win.
Here you go. Win8 "running" on G-Note via RDC.
I was curious if anyone had any idea if the Prime would be able to run Win RT when released. I think it would be awesome to have access to both systems on this hardware. Hey the Asus Tablet 600 has a Tegra 3 also.
Given how the Prime struggles to run Android properly, I wouldn't place much hope on it. Certainly Asus wouldn't be supporting it. They're too busy as it is trying to fix up the Android experience.
Maybe the XDA devs will come up with something...
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I was curious if anyone had any idea if the Prime would be able to run Win RT when released. I think it would be awesome to have access to both systems on this hardware. Hey the Asus Tablet 600 has a Tegra 3 also.
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From what I understand, the Asus Tablet 600 basically a Transformer Prime, except it has double the RAM. So, I'm certain it would run on our TF201s, but the problem is Win RT is only available installed on new devices. You won't be able to buy a disc or download it from MS like Win 7 or W8. If someone were to somehow extract the image from a device, say the 600, I'm sure it would be more likely than not that it would run on our tabs.
I'm also hoping for this to happen. Dual boot would be sick, but I might even replace Android with WinRT if I had to. I'd probably go back and fourth between OSes if it weren't too complicated.
Fingers crossed
from what i have read, windows rt would require a different bootloader.
so there is basically no chance it would come to the tf201
hey guys does any of you out there know and can leave me a comment about if there is a windows for tablet ? eee pad transformer prime tf 201
doesnt matter which windows either xp or 7 or 8
ill be glad to see a comment in the near future
Only Windows RT can run on the TF201, and that is only if Asus lets us by providing the Windows installer customised for the Prime complete with bootloader, which is pretty unlikely. XP, 7 and 8 cannot run on the TF201 because they require the x86 architecture, whereas Windows RT runs on ARM.
That said, porting *may* be possible since our device is quite close to reference Windows RT tablets - Tegra 3, 1GB RAM, the works.
yo check this out
http://kat.ph/windows-7-professional-x86-by-rt-seven-lite-t6018593.html
i found some thing with "RT" tell me if it works
PS : i had no idea what you were talking about but yet just tell me if there is any available windows for the transformer prime
Thank you for your help )
i also found this !!
http://thepiratebay.se/search/windows 8 rt/0/99/0
check it out !!
tell me if any of it work will you ?!!
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i also found this !!
http://thepiratebay.se/search/windows 8 rt/0/99/0
check it out !!
tell me if any of it work will you ?!!
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Thats windows 7 RT. Its made for x86 / x64 architecture. Our devices use Arm based architecture. As stated in many other "windows 8 " threads on here, it is not possible as windows 8 requires a license for one ( making it illegal to port ), but also that it requires a different bootloader which we dont have access to for our device.
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what @pandaball & @pyraxiate said is true... the only Windows version capable of running on our devices is Windows 8 RT... but Windows 8 RT requires an encrypted and Microsoft-signed bootloader to run... so unless Asus releases such a bootloader for the Prime (which is very unlikely), the chances of getting Windows on this device are extremely slim and next to none...
Also, it would be illegal to port and share Windows, especially given that Windows 8 RT is not commercially available for purchase and will only come pre-installed...
That said, you should not be posting like to warez sites and link to torrents sharing illegal software here... it is against the rules!!
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what @pandaball & @pyraxiate said is true... the only Windows version capable of running on our devices is Windows 8 RT... but Windows 8 RT requires an encrypted and Microsoft-signed bootloader to run... so unless Asus releases such a bootloader for the Prime (which is very unlikely), the chances of getting Windows on this device are extremely slim and next to none...
Also, it would be illegal to port and share Windows, especially given that Windows 8 RT is not commercially available for purchase and will only come pre-installed...
That said, you should not be posting like to warez sites and link to torrents sharing illegal software here... it is against the rules!!
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Glad to see you are still slumming in the tf201 forums
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I'm sure some people wouldn't have an issue paying for the Licencing if it came down to it, making it legal..... Surely the Asus Windows RT tablet would have something that we could take?
Microsoft won't do that - the device is unlockable so anyone coult try to decrypt their bootloader /bios - definitely bad for them. Apart from lack of Windows button there are plenty of incompatibilities - video card have to be DirectX 10 capable. AFAIK DirectX 11 may be supported from Tegra 4.
So summing up - no chance, even for hackers I think
So, with Ubuntu Mobile capturing the attention of hundred of thousands I thought I would ask the one question that's been in my head since the first time I heard of Ubuntu Mobile, what about other Linux distros?
Considering Ubuntu is Debian-based and one of Ubuntu Mobile's key selling points is "it's the same is your PC" software-wise *cough* bloatware *cough* how likely do you think it is for a similar feat to be acomplished by another Linux distro (I like the ring of 'Arch Mobile' :cyclops: ) or will this be a more disgustingly exclusive Ubuntu feature (much like Unity, which didn't gain much traction in other distros).
Please voice your opinion on the matter, even if it's not completely relevant. I'd like to see how the community sees this.
Ubuntu for mobile has optimised stdio.h for touch screen mode of input and integration for touch input device at kernel level. Maybe if another distro can achieve this... Probably need a lot of libs & /dev/ mod files to get compatible drivers for touch devices. Repositories (apt.get, rpm, deb & yast etc) need to haxe modified programmes (apps) optimised for phone display, i/o etc.... Not an easy task.....
Dead cookies leave no trails...
Maybe a mobilised version of PackageKit would work for package management woes, if not I think there may be hope depending on how the phone utilises its 'desktop mode' and that can resolve issues that may accompany distro-specific issues (like Arch's KISS philosophy) and the libraries will be added to repositories (or even just made into an installable package?) for touchscreen usage and hopefully packages could be installed traditionally (i.e. 'apt-get install' 'pacman -S' 'yum install' 'dpkg -i' etc.)
I built a Linux image for my phone (Galaxy Spica)
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I built a Linux image for my phone (Galaxy Spica)
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Oh that's quite interesting, when it was running a Linux image was your phone still running Android and with Linux working inside Android (using VNC for X etc.) or was it running natively in the same fashion as Ubuntu Mobile is said to be?
I would think that any Distro based of Ubuntu will be able to be run on a phone.
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I would think that any Distro based of Ubuntu will be able to be run on a phone.
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I hope by the time all the mobile software is "figured out" (for lack of a better word) that using the device-specific software won't be limited to Ubuntu-based distros, I don't mind Ubuntu and its derivatives per se, but I much prefer using a more advanced distro; but I suppose Ubuntu is what you make of it
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I would think that any Distro based of Ubuntu will be able to be run on a phone.
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This is not a comletely new idea mind you. We have two Ubuntu/Linux threads in the Asus Transformer tf101 dev thread. Both are WIPs but both have many users who are working on making the process better and simpler to have Linux and Android dual boot. Both methods are for native install as well so no need for chroot or VNC.
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Interesting thought. I don't know if the variation will come from other Linux flavors or just different themes or desktop environments. Could it just be that there are themes or desktop environment like cinnamon, XFCE, pantheon and others instead of different Linux operating systems completely? Then again everything is going mobile so maybe the other Linux flavors will disappear unless they follow in Ubuntu's steps and go mobile.
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Cl3Kener said:
Interesting thought. I don't know if the variation will come from other Linux flavors or just different themes or desktop environments. Could it just be that there are themes or desktop environment like cinnamon, XFCE, pantheon and others instead of different Linux operating systems completely? Then again everything is going mobile so maybe the other Linux flavors will disappear unless they follow in Ubuntu's steps and go mobile.
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No, not everything is going mobile. It's just that x86 machines have reached saturation point by now; everyone has one, so the focus is on getting a smartphone or a tablet. Plus, hardware is so powerful that there's no real need to upgrade. Software has not caught up. Even as a gamer, my ATI 6950/Phenom II 955 box hasn't had an issue with running everything topped out so far, new games and all. For sure, you don't need much just to run the everyday stuff like Chrome or Office. People still use desktop computers quite a bit, though in quite a lot of households I do find that it's not at all uncommon for the computer arsenal to consist exclusively of laptops (though that is still x86 and not ARM).
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No, not everything is going mobile. It's just that x86 machines have reached saturation point by now; everyone has one, so the focus is on getting a smartphone or a tablet. Plus, hardware is so powerful that there's no real need to upgrade. Software has not caught up. Even as a gamer, my ATI 6950/Phenom II 955 box hasn't had an issue with running everything topped out so far, new games and all. For sure, you don't need much just to run the everyday stuff like Chrome or Office. People still use desktop computers quite a bit, though in quite a lot of households I do find that it's not at all uncommon for the computer arsenal to consist exclusively of laptops (though that is still x86 and not ARM).
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Well obviously software developers and video gamers will always have desktop computers. It's people that aren't processor hungry that just want to check emails and social media that are going mobile. I know people that don't even own a computer and just use internet through their phones. I can see them embracing of having their phone work as a computer when they dock it into a monitor keyboard mouse environment. That's the only way they could teach their kids about computers.
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I'd love to see Debian for phones. But once I think about it. There's nothing "new" about this concept. Technically Its already out as I have native Debian and arch Linux on my iconia tab via an arm ports. Touch screens support has been patched into the Linux kernel since the 2.6.x series so it works great at the hardware level. So when I get to to bottom of all of the hype all I see is canonical marketing some sort of Unity Touch. (Gnome and KDE were too big I guess ). My point is what bother to get another ubuntu like os for phones when there's already 99% of distos already ported to arm and touch. The only thing that Ubuntu for phones can do that the Debian/other linux ports can't do is make calls, but any hacker with a pair of tweezers could port the radio interface to a Linux distro.
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