Can anyone enlighten me on the performance of the screen digitizer.
I have been testing several note taking applications on my TFP. Although I have lousy handwriting the TFP makes it even worse. At first I blamed myself and the rather clumsy big tipped stylus and to improve the results I downloaded Touchscreen Tuner. A nice application but minimal improvement.
Then I also noticed it is impossible to draw accurate on the TFP.
A straight horizontal or vertical line is possible but when you try to draw a straight diagonal line it becomes a wave line. Now I really got worried. Maybe my drinking habits had given me this unsteady hand. So I got out a ruler and drew a diagonal line along it. I was relieved that I could continue drinking but what a shock to see the result. Again the diagonal line turned out as a wave line. (See the screen shot)
It turns out the grid of the digitizer is much too widely spaced. I estimate the distance between grid points at about 5 millimeters. And apparently the algorithm to interpolate between the grid points is so insufficient that a contact on the digitizer between two grid points is regarded as a contact with the nearest grid point. The algorithm doesn’t calculate a point in between.
Another way to see this is when you pick up an icon on the home screen and slowly drag it diagonally across the screen. It will not follow your finger or stylus smoothly but it will sway from left to right and stay behind a bit and then catch up again.
A big plus for the TFP for me was the possibility to accurately draw and take notes while working in the field.
As it is advertized and showed by Asus in promotional videos.
That is also what the Notes application was designed for.
Again I am afraid that Asus has (next to GPS, Wifi/BT issues, performance and screen faults) promised us to much goodies to be true.
Does anyone have a solution to this shortcoming or maybe can test if they can reproduce my findings. Maybe it is a malfunction in my TFP.
Please let me know your solutions or findings.
By the way. I also tested a HTC Sensation, a HTC HD and an Ipad 2. On these devices it is perfectly possible to draw a perfectly straight diagonal line.
Seems the behavior is the same on my TFP, except that I tried drawing the diagonal with my finger and it came out a lot straighter than your screenshot. Not nearly as straight as horizontal and vertical lines though, but less waves that what you're showing.
I used a Belkin stylus.
To draw the line I used the edge of a magazin.
I tried to apply equal presure and speed while drawing.
The issue is best seen in a diagonal line under 45 degrees.
There is an app on the market to tune the touchscreen for this and Galaxy Tab, it helps a ton. Touchscreen Tune I think its called.
It is $5 though but with the app, good freewriting application and a decent pen, handwriting is a lot easier.
agentdr8 said:
Seems the behavior is the same on my TFP, except that I tried drawing the diagonal with my finger and it came out a lot straighter than your screenshot. Not nearly as straight as horizontal and vertical lines though, but less waves that what you're showing.
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It largely depends on the speed you draw it. If you go really fast its pretty straight. Go really slow and its wavy as hell
Maybe I am drunk....
The finer the stylus the wavier the line. Used my finger, no waves.
Use the application mentioned above....
I had a jot pro with a similar problem, except my writing varied greatly based on pressure. If I pressed down hard enough it would write like you would expect, but otherwise it did some crazy stuff. Might just be that particular stylus though
oblomov said:
There is an app on the market to tune the touchscreen for this and Galaxy Tab, it helps a ton. Touchscreen Tune I think its called.
It is $5 though but with the app, good freewriting application and a decent pen, handwriting is a lot easier.
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Striatum_bdr said:
Use the application mentioned above....
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OP mentioned he tried this, no edit to original thread
redandblack1287 said:
I had a jot pro with a similar problem, except my writing varied greatly based on pressure. If I pressed down hard enough it would write like you would expect, but otherwise it did some crazy stuff. Might just be that particular stylus though
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I've got the same experience with the Wacom Bamboo Stylus.
I've had no trouble writing in supernote or 7notes (the keyboard part), ditto for Sketchbook Pro except I naturally draw crappy. My handwriting with the Jot is fine though.
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I've had no trouble writing in supernote or 7notes (the keyboard part), ditto for Sketchbook Pro except I naturally draw crappy. My handwriting with the Jot is fine though.
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I am not asking if people have proper handwriting.
I think the grid spacing is to wide.
But maybe it's my Prime.
Can you post a screenshot of a perfect diagonal line made in Supernote.
This is a well known and well documented issue. It is present on loads of devices. There have been a few threads about this already.
Here is an image from a test that was done quite some time ago.
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I realize that it's an old picture and really this should have been eliminated by now, but unfortunately it is what it is.
I see what you mean in supernote, tried uploading both an export from supernote and Sketchbook Pro but Tapatalk isn't quite working for it :/
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I have the same issue and have logged a call with Asus support. I suggest anyone who has this issue also does the same.
I have two primes and they both do this. 32gb champagne gold, both C series serial numbers.
Wow, a bunch of newbies giving advice to each other. Here's what my regular notes look like. Tf101 with adonit jot. Tf101 and 201 have same screen.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38673648/pictures/writepad_stylus_sample.pdf
If you don't know how to adapt, then don't try.
That was rude.
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Tf101 and 201 have same screen.
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You are wrong on this. Touchscreen definitely has different chip in TF201 (Atmel)!
Also isn't your handwriting done while zoomed in?
So obviously you don't have a TF201.
And obviously the hardware (and also the screen) is totally different.
But if you are willing to help us out and explain to us what we are doing wrong we would be gratefull.
If not then i think you should get back to the TF101 forum.
It is of no use posting an image of what you can do on your TF101.
I can post multiple pictures of the complicated things I can do with pen and papier.
;-)
But that is not the reason why we bought a TF201.
I hope there is someone out there that can help.
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So obviously you don't have a TF201.
And obviously the hardware (and also the screen) is totally different.
But if you are willing to help us out and explain to us what we are doing wrong we would be gratefull.
If not then i think you should get back to the TF101 forum.
It is of no use posting an image of what you can do on your TF101.
I can post multiple pictures of the complicated things I can do with pen and papier.
;-)
But that is not the reason why we bought a TF201.
I hope there is someone out there that can help.
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What you are doing wrong is you're not adapting. You're trying to use it like pen and paper. When the tf101 first came out, there were many whiners who came to FDA whining that the tf doesn't feel like a laptop.
Imagine people trying to use pen and paper like chisel and hammer on stones. Or imagine people trying to use the desktop like a typewriter.
The jot on tf doesn't feel like pen on paper. Why? Because its not pen on paper. Adapt or move on. Imagine flying an airplane like driving a car. Complain about that.
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The point I was trying to make is this. Yeah, I zoom in when I write. So? It gives me the freedom to draw out more details than I can with pen on paper. I can also change colors at will. Don't have to carry around all the notebooks and stuff. It took me may be 2 note taking sessions to get use to it. I don't even think about it anymore. And I can just print out the pdf of my notes whenever I want.
Stop trying to use this like pen and paper. Zoom in, do whatever you need to to adapt. Our ancestors adapted from chisel and hammer to pen and paper. And now you're trying to use a stylus on tablet like pen and paper? Why not complain that a car doesn't ride like a horse? Or a train doesn't ride like a horse pulled ferry?
Do what you need to to adapt. If you can't adapt, move on. No need to get stressed out by it.
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What you are doing wrong is you're not adapting. You're trying to use it like pen and paper. When the tf101 first came out, there were many whiners who came to FDA whining that the tf doesn't feel like a laptop.
Imagine people trying to use pen and paper like chisel and hammer on stones. Or imagine people trying to use the desktop like a typewriter.
The jot on tf doesn't feel like pen on paper. Why? Because its not pen on paper. Adapt or move on. Imagine flying an airplane like driving a car. Complain about that.
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The point I was trying to make is this. Yeah, I zoom in when I write. So? It gives me the freedom to draw out more details than I can with pen on paper. I can also change colors at will. Don't have to carry around all the notebooks and stuff. It took me may be 2 note taking sessions to get use to it. I don't even think about it anymore. And I can just print out the pdf of my notes whenever I want.
Stop trying to use this like pen and paper. Zoom in, do whatever you need to to adapt. Our ancestors adapted from chisel and hammer to pen and paper. And now you're trying to use a stylus on tablet like pen and paper? Why not complain that a car doesn't ride like a horse? Or a train doesn't ride like a horse pulled ferry?
Do what you need to to adapt. If you can't adapt, move on. No need to get stressed out by it.
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Your notes look good, would you mind giving some tips or maybe starting another thread with some tips on how to take notes using a stylus and what not. For example, are you writing in portrait mode or landscape? It looks like portrait but I don't know of that's due to formatting. Any tips would be appreciated. I'd like to be able to use mine for notes on occasion even though my livescribe pen handles notes just fine.
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UPDATE:
Atmel has posted on their facebook that it *may* not be compatible. However, until one of these are physically tested with a TF201, we cannot know *for certain* what the truth is. ONLY THEN can we 100% confirm/deny it's compatibility.
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=378757848808058&id=121682197848959
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EDIT: Didn't find any related posts til now, my bad: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1435094
**Requires Android 4.0**
The skinny:
This thing is due out in the next few months, and should be directly compatible with the Transformer Prime... it will offer active-digitizer-like-performance from Atmel - the guys who made the TF201 touchscreen driver chip.
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First off, some background....
The ASUS Transformer Prime is shipped with Atmel's MXT768E touchscreen chip - Atmel's flagship latest-n-greatest chip to date.
SOURCE: http://www.chipworks.com/en/technic...con-inside-the-asus-eeepad-transformer-prime/
MXT768E chip details:
http://www.atmel.com/microsite/maxtouch_eseries/mxt768e.asp
Key Features
Narrow stylus identification and tracking
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The maXStylus:
http://www.atmel.com/microsite/stylus/?source=redirect
The Atmel maXStylus mXTS100 is supposedly going to offer digitizer-like power in a highly sophisticated stylus... that's due the first quarter of 2012, and will require Android 4.0
SOURCE: http://androidandme.com/2011/11/new...e-could-be-revolutionized-by-atmel-maxstylus/
According to Atmel...
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/p...tegory_id=170&family_id=701&subfamily_id=2407
The maXStylus™ mXTS100 active stylus is designed to provide high-performance stylus capability for maXTouch™ E Series touchscreen controller solutions. The mXTS100 and maXTouch controllers together simplify touch system hardware and software while providing a state-of-the-art, inexpensive touch and stylus solution. This configuration simplifies the hardware since it requires only a single indium tin oxide (ITO) sensor that interfaces with maXTouch to detect finger touches and stylus proximity. Through the system driver and serial interface, the system host controller interfaces with the maXTouch chipset for touch and stylus data. The simultaneous touch and stylus capability is called multiSense functionality.
The mXTS100 uses capacitive sensing to detect an active maXTouch sensor presence and responds with its own signals to indicate location, pressure, button click timing and other information. The maXTouch controller receives stylus information through the sensor while also detecting finger touches. After the maXTouch controller detects a stylus presence, special algorithms activate to process the stylus data to provide high linearity, accuracy and resolution. Further processing provides excellent palm rejection, resulting in a smooth and comfortable stylus writing experience.
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This is analog to Wacom-only stylii working with Wacom tablets. In this case, it's Atmel-only stylii working with touchscreens powered by Atmel E-series chips... which is inside the Transformer Prime...
We may never see a Wacom digitizer come to the Transformer Prime... but we have a pretty damn good alternative coming down the line... just check out the mXTS100's specs... 1mm resolution, automatic palm recognitiion, 140hz sampling rate...
http://www.atmel.com/microsite/stylus/?source=redirect
I will be keeping my eye on this for sure. I would love to have better accuracy for sketchbook. I use a new trent stylus now and its nice, but this would be optimal.
I have a jot pro for now, and this looks more promising.
That looks awesome!
Any idea how much this is will cost?
I'll be keeping an eye on this one also. Looks interesting.
Was talked about in the existing stylus thread
I would hardly call this a predictions, it is pretty much a forgone conclusion it will come. How many other tablets have ICS of which this requires?
Anyway its the one I'm holding out for.
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Was talked about in the existing stylus thread
I would hardly call this a predictions, it is pretty much a forgone conclusion it will come. How many other tablets have ICS of which this requires?
Anyway its the one I'm holding out for.
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It was talked numerous times in other thread, but still nice to have a thread dedicated for it.
Also, it was confirmed to come. They are suppose to have small beta testing starting this month. Anyone in this forum able to get their hand on this?
Either way, this means product is mostly finalized and they are just doing sample testings to fix very minor problems and find the optimal pricing for it. Given there is a high demand in fairly limited market at this point(only 4.0 tablets that has Atmel chip), i wouldnt be surprised to see this priced fairly expensive.
I saw the video and besides the slight lag, it looks very promising.
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Good Job, OP. Please keep updating this thread if new information becomes available.
Posting to keep track of this thread and to say that this looks awesome.
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So, if this true (and I hope it is) then we we could see greatly improved accuracy from the touch screen but, since I'm new what other benefits does this bring?
Lock-N-Load said:
Was talked about in the existing stylus thread
I would hardly call this a predictions, it is pretty much a forgone conclusion it will come. How many other tablets have ICS of which this requires?
Anyway its the one I'm holding out for.
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Buried amongst the Targus and Jot stylus posts, this Atmel stylus is a lightyears ahead of them - it deserves it's own topic.
If you look extra carefully, this video shows a 10.1 Tablet with a "Verizon" logo on it, being used with the Atmel stylus with Repligo PDF editor
Either a Xoom or Samsung Tab, can't really tell as I don't own either...
Tech Faded said:
So, if this true (and I hope it is) then we we could see greatly improved accuracy from the touch screen but, since I'm new what other benefits does this bring?
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Quoting Atmel:
Provides a highly accurate stylus capability, with 1.0mm/1.5mm/2.0mm stylus tip options and sensitivity to 256 pressure points.
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Also features palm protection - HUGE benefit
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/p...tegory_id=170&family_id=701&subfamily_id=2407
This is amazing, I've had eyes on it since before I decided on the prime. Would be a huge benefit to have.
Damn, just got my Jot
d1ez3 said:
Damn, just got my Jot
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you can return it if you want
I own a Jot pro - even bought the extra little discs to go along with it. I'm keeping mine in the interim as the Jot is still pretty darn good. Once I get the Atmel I'll do a direct comparison and if it's better will be selling my Jot Pro.
robomo said:
you can return it if you want
I own a Jot pro - even bought the extra little discs to go along with it. I'm keeping mine in the interim as the Jot is still pretty darn good. Once I get the Atmel I'll do a direct comparison and if it's better will be selling my Jot Pro.
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Yeah, I might if this thing comes out soon and is as good as they say. Writing with the Jot is better than a regular stylus but it's still not accurate. I also can't seem to get palm detection working
keeping an eye on this. looks like this thing will cost a premium......
drstk said:
keeping an eye on this. looks like this thing will cost a premium......
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Probably $50+, but worth it for me. I almost returned the Transformer Prime to buy a Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet because it included a digitizer pen. Hand-written notes is one of the biggest benefits to me of a tablet.
Everyone's use is different, but an active digitizer is *heaven* when you're always jotting notes or drawing a lot.
I did/do a LOT of detail sketches, and did them mostly on a Wacom tablet interface before I had my Prime. Having the ability to lift the stylus and still have it register really is an extreme joy... I didn't realize how much I had grown fond of that feeling. It's very subtle, but when you use it for hours a day it is SOOO nice! And the absolute, guaranteed accuracy is sublime. With out it there's a subtle annoyance of always, constantly worrying if your stylus is where you want it...
Even if this thing were $75 I'd buy it...
You may not have to wait ..
I have been lurking for a while now without something to add.
I am new to tablets and the Prime is my first one. I too am challenged buy the capacitive screen writing / drawing details. I have been trying out different stylus types with no great success for me. So I started to investigate for a capacitive ACTIVE stylus and like you have come across the Atmel devices. I believe that may be the solution I’m looking for.
My investigation has found that the Xoom 2 tablet uses the Atmel chips and has an active stylus. I have ordered a Xoom 2 Active stylus from the UK to test my theory out. To test, one will need a Prime with ICS installed. (ICS supposedly fully supports an active stylus). My test stylus will not show till the of this week, the 20th.
I have a challenge for any UK Prime user or any Verizon customer. If you are in the UK, would you please stop by a store with your Prime and try out a Xoom 2 stylus on the Prime? In the US, if you are a Verizon customer, stop by a Verizon store with your Prime and test out the XyBoard 10.1 stylus.
Please report back results.
If this Motorola stylus works then, in the US, we can order from UK or wait for Motorola to release the Xoom in the US sometime this month (1/18 ??). (I understand that the XyBoard 10.1 stylus cannot be purchased separately ).
I do have one other active stylus to check out that may work. I’ll write about that one once we know about the Xoom stylus.
Who is willing to take up this challenge?
cfl.htc.hd said:
You may not have to wait ..
XyBoard 10.1 stylus.
Please report back results.
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I would definitely be interested as well..
The XyBoard is also at Best Buy, which may also have the stylus on demo possibly.
http://upcomingverizonphones.net/droid-xyboard/
However, the 3mm tip on the XyBoard's stylus is almost 3 times as big as the quoted 1mm Atmel stylus tip:http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/U...ries/Motorola-Stylus-with-Precision-Tip-US-EN
3mm is pretty big, more like a sharpie tip than a ballpoint pen tip.
However, it is nonetheless cool it might be compatible!
cfl.htc.hd said:
You may not have to wait ..
I have been lurking for a while now without something to add.
I am new to tablets and the Prime is my first one. I too am challenged buy the capacitive screen writing / drawing details. I have been trying out different stylus types with no great success for me. So I started to investigate for a capacitive ACTIVE stylus and like you have come across the Atmel devices. I believe that may be the solution I’m looking for.
My investigation has found that the Xoom 2 tablet uses the Atmel chips and has an active stylus. I have ordered a Xoom 2 Active stylus from the UK to test my theory out. To test, one will need a Prime with ICS installed. (ICS supposedly fully supports an active stylus). My test stylus will not show till the of this week, the 20th.
I have a challenge for any UK Prime user or any Verizon customer. If you are in the UK, would you please stop by a store with your Prime and try out a Xoom 2 stylus on the Prime? In the US, if you are a Verizon customer, stop by a Verizon store with your Prime and test out the XyBoard 10.1 stylus.
Please report back results.
If this Motorola stylus works then, in the US, we can order from UK or wait for Motorola to release the Xoom in the US sometime this month (1/18 ??). (I understand that the XyBoard 10.1 stylus cannot be purchased separately ).
I do have one other active stylus to check out that may work. I’ll write about that one once we know about the Xoom stylus.
Who is willing to take up this challenge?
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dont have my prime yet, but i am def interested.
I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android laptop. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
Have you tried doing any long-form typing with an on-screen keyboard? It's unpleasant, to say the least. Also, the extra 6 hours of battery life doesn't hurt.
opentoe said:
I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android laptop. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
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I wanted the dock for a few reasons.
1. It gives me a tablet then I can turn into a laptop for typing things like this faster and easier.
2. Let's me have a tablet and not have to worry about the keyboard when I don't need or want the dock.
All in all I think the dock was worth what was paid for it. It makes this tablet more than just a tablet. And once we get an unlocked bootloader hopefully someone will port some sort of linux flavor onto here so I can dualboot and have a true laptop if I need to.
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opentoe said:
I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android laptop. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
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I actually agree with you (and am thinking of selling my keyboard - couldn't buy it without it). However: (1) the tablet and keyboard together are still tiny and light (2) they are much more functional for things involving typing than just the tablet (3) for $500 to $600 you would never have got something this portable with such a battery life.
The keyboard is not for all (eg you) but I can easily see the point of it.
1. Sometimes having a keyboard us just nice. This is especially true when you need to input a large amount on information.
2. Clamshell design protects the screen.
3. Battery extender
4. USB port for peripherals.
5. Standard size SD card for easier compatibility with things like digital cameras. For example, take a high speed sdcard from a DSLR and use Photoshop touch to quickly edit and from there you can use the hdmi to project onto a flat panel.
6. Keyboard dock + wireless usb mouse + RDP client = win.
if you can't see the benefit, maybe the transformer isn't for you
opentoe said:
I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android laptop. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
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typing
accessing main pc using splashtop is much easier with a keyboard and mouse
substitute for my netbook that has gone to Thailand with my daughter
do not have a laptop and I wanted a tablet
laptops do not let me take the screen off and read in bed
difficult to sit on the sofa with a laptop
cannot afford a tablet and a laptop
Laptops are not as portable as a tablet and it I do not want to take a laptop with me at times.
How many laptops would give me such good battery life (mine will do over 16 hours with dock) in such a sweet package...Me I like the versatility of the little beast
It also works as an effin good cover when it is docked.
Oh!.......... and the look on peeps faces when you remove the screen from yer little netbook and start using it as a tablet.
enough
Have to say I was surprised to see this question. The most attractive part of the keyboard is the extended battery life. The sd card slot adds options for additional storage at hand, which is great if you don't have the best internet connection available. I use mine for videos and movies that i don't want cluttering up my micro SD. The USB port is great to for attaching a ps3 controller for gaming instead of going out to buy a new controller.
Added features aside, There have been many occasions when the on screen keyboard just didn't cut it. Its nice for short stuff (like this) but when im taking notes while someone is talking or trying to plan out something major it nice to have a keyboard. Why not just use a laptop? Well for one, tablets are a helluva lot more portable. The program access speed is also beyond compare, which is the whole reason to get a tablet in the first place.
It's really hard to get away with asking why get a tablet with a keyboard vs getting a laptop because its like comparing apple to pc.
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se1000 said:
1. Sometimes having a keyboard us just nice. This is especially true when you need to input a large amount on information.
2. Clamshell design protects the screen.
3. Battery extender
4. USB port for peripherals.
5. Standard size SD card for easier compatibility with things like digital cameras. For example, take a high speed sdcard from a DSLR and use Photoshop touch to quickly edit and from there you can use the hdmi to project onto a flat panel.
6. Keyboard dock + wireless usb mouse + RDP client = win.
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Everything this guy said.
Actually I had the same thought about just having a tablet..let alone with a keyboard. mostly this is because a laptop can do everything the tablet does and more.
Tablets are all about form factor and convenience. Thin, light, fun...instant on...probably 3-4x battery life...more with the dock.
When I go to work I bring my laptop...the tablet is of limited use.
When I am relaxing at home or on vacation I would much rather the tablet.
The keyboard is nice for the reasons stated previously...but there is something to be said for the combined touch screen and keyboard browsing experience.
I am excited to see what windows 8 will bring to the table combined with a tablet like the tf201. Devices like these may one day replace laptops...especially netbooks.
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Also, compared to something like an ultrabook, you give up processing power, but you gain convenience. Android is a much better platform for a touch interface and the apps and widgets reflect this as well. Lastly, you can't rip the screen off of an ultrabook and use it as a tablet.
this is the biggest waste of thread ever. until you LIVE with the dock for a week you will now what the hype is all about
until then is useless for us to tell you what is like..
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easy answer. the appeal of this tablet IS the keyboard.
its what makes it different from all the other tablets out there. think about it. there are a lot of 10" tablets with more being announced all the time so the product needs something to differentiate it from others.
1. it's the first quad core tablet
2. it's the first tablet to run ICS
3. it's got a fully functional dock.
but other tablets have keyboards I hear you cry. yeah, but not like this one. with a usb slot, sd slot and a tight functioning hinge to turn the tablet into a laptop.
anyone can get a standalone keyboard for a tablet, but now you have to faff about with stands, having somewhere to lay it all out to use it. you don't need to with the prime, it clicks together into a single unit so you can use it properly on your lap, out and about.
I could have bought a lot of different tablets, I waited for this one because it is, as I see it, a convergence device.
it can do media, it can do music, it can do video. but when I want it to, it can be more than that, thanks to the dock.
If I wanted a device for gaming and media and internet? I would not need a keyboard and I would have likely bought an iPad 2, which is a better device for all of those three activities.
But keyboard is what makes not only Transformer Prime worth it for me, but in fact makes a tablet worth it for me. The 'added benefits' of a keyboard are obviously the additional USB and SD options as well as added battery life, which easily makes it possible to use the device throughout the day actively without any worry about battery no matter what you are doing.
But the real benefit of keyboard dock is, of course, the keyboard itself. Android keyboard is really well done, the buttons are not just a modifications of a PC keyboard, but make sense. The old F1-F12 is replaced with much more accurate Android-specific buttons and it is all around a great Android keyboard. But really, keyboard is great for typing. It is really good for meetings and schoolwork in ways where touch keyboard is not just inadequate but simply bad, since with touch keyboard you have to look at the keyboard while typing (and if you're a fast keyboard typer you know you never really do that).
To sum things up, without the keyboard I would not own TF201, in fact I would not own a tablet at all. It replaces all of my netbook needs. Having and maintaining more than three devices is a clutter for me. I do my work at my desktop computer or mostly stationary work laptop, I use my Android phone for on-the-go internet, texting and gaming and Transformer Prime as both content-consumption device and entertainment as well as light work and meetings/lectures.
OP is short sighted and missing the point.
The keyboard is an accessory. It turns the prime into a workable laptop, WHEN YOU WANT IT TO.
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I might even go so far to call this a poor trolling attempt.
Tablet alone is great for reading or watching stuff. As soon as I want to do any text entry beyond tying in an URL, I start wanting the keyboard.
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Tablet alone is great for reading or watching stuff. As soon as I want to do any text entry beyond tying in an URL, I start wanting the keyboard.
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I've seen so many people just obsessed with getting the external keyboard. Basically turns the tablet into an Android ultrabook. I have several laptops in my home and the last thing I would want to add to my tablet is a keyboard. The IPS touch screen is capable of a 10 finger process and is very easy to use with your fingers, the way it was intended. Why is there such a big thing about having a keyboard for a tablet? I really thought the whole idea of getting a touch screen was to eliminate input devices and use the touch screen. Also, if you wanted a keyboard with your tablet why didn't you buy a laptop instead, since for $500-$600 you could have gotten a fairly decent one. I'm just curious, that's all.
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The Transformer Prime is incomplete without it's keyboard dock.
If you ever want to see the Prime's full potential you have to get the keyboard dock.
Only then will you reach Prime Perfection.
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OK, another take on this. See I'm not and never was a fan of the Transformers, but I was a huge fan of the MMPR, which use mechs just like the Transformers. So when I see the Transformer Prime tablet by itself, I think of it as being a single Zord, with myself in command as I own it.
I call upon it when I have to duke it out with other tablet foes (iPad, Galaxy Tab, Playbook).
But when the situation gets tough I kick it into high gear and call on the keyboard dock that combines with the Prime Zord to form the mighty Mega Prime Zord.
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Anyone else having this issue? My spen will launch an app or type characters on the keyboard even when its 1/2 inch away from the screen.. Getting pretty frustrating. I see there's no ability to calibrate the spen either.
There is a way to calibrate the S-Pen over on the international note forum, haven't heard of anyone trying it here. Check it out n let us know if it works, I would but I can't have a note for another 3 months :c
International forum? I heard those guys are pretty rough.. Lol thanks for the tip!
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The spen "phantom" triggers the bottom right of my screen when using it while I'm lying on my back. It irritates the hell out of me.
I think it has to do with the combination of a faulty spen (the nib pushes on the pressure sensor when the pen is inverted) and a poorly calibrated screen.
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Personally, mine doesn't trigger easily enough for my taste. I have to push harder than I'd like to get it to register. Not "hard" per se, but hard enough that the pen almost wants to 'skip' instead of 'slide' across the screen when trying to navigate around. (Talking about the minimum pressure needed to engage swiping and touching, etc). Still completely usable, just wish that it was a wee bit more sensitive so I could just 'glide' the pen around lightly vs pushing it down while moving around.
I'm having the same problem. I just noticed it last night. I was using the s-pen and would get about 1/4" to the screen and it would select apps/options whatever. Kinda annoying
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Yes, I reported the same issue yesterday... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1511230
After exchanging my first Note, the second has the same problem, but over a smaller area. Unfortunately the area affected this time includes part of the keyboard and the bottom row of the launcher screen, so it makes life difficult when using the S Pen. I'll be exchanging this one too.
Anyone interested can check their device with the S Memo app. Just open a new memo and start waving the S pen over the screen surface about 1/4" above the screen. If you get brush marks on the screen without touching it I'd say there's a problem. And by doing this over the entire screen you can map the areas affected.
If you search YouTube for 'samsung galaxy note s pen problem' you'll find at least 4 international users who've posted videos on this problem.
I'm no expert, but I've experimented with other Wacom pens (I have two older tablet PCs), and neither of those pens exhibit this issue when used on the Note. It seems they only transmit when the pen nib is depressed. The S Pens transmit all the time... there doesn't seem to be a switch depressed by the nib. This system actually provides more sensitivity, such as scrolling screens with less pressure than required with the legacy Wacom pens. However, this increased sensitivity requires a perfectly calibrated digitizer over the entire screen to sense when the pen makes contact with the screen and I'm guessing that's where my problems are coming from. Hopefully the third time's the charm for me.
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Anyone interested can check their device with the S Memo app. Just open a new memo and start waving the S pen over the screen surface about 1/4" above the screen. If you get brush marks on the screen without touching it I'd say there's a problem. And by doing this over the entire screen you can map the areas affected.
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With the nub touching the screen, but applying no pressure, I moved it all around a new memo and didn't get any brush strokes. Is that a good test?
Yes, that's sounds good to me. That's the way my Note works with my older Wacom pens.
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Personally, mine doesn't trigger easily enough for my taste. I have to push harder than I'd like to get it to register. Not "hard" per se, but hard enough that the pen almost wants to 'skip' instead of 'slide' across the screen when trying to navigate around. (Talking about the minimum pressure needed to engage swiping and touching, etc). Still completely usable, just wish that it was a wee bit more sensitive so I could just 'glide' the pen around lightly vs pushing it down while moving around.
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I'm kind of with ya on this, I wish mine was a little more sensitive. Although mine doesn't sound quite as bad as yours.
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Anyone else having this issue? My spen will launch an app or type characters on the keyboard even when its 1/2 inch away from the screen.. Getting pretty frustrating. I see there's no ability to calibrate the spen either.
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I think OP's pen is defective. When I press the tip of the pen inward (toward the pen) with my finger and hover over the screen, I get the behavior described - I can be 1/2" away from the screen and tap/draw. But if I don't press the tip of the pen, I have to touch the screen to register a tap. There is a very tiny amount of movement in the white nib, and it should be on a slight spring. Mine doesn't activate upside down either. Maybe someone jammed your pen into something and broke it?
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... When I press the tip of the pen inward (toward the pen) with my finger and hover over the screen, I get the behavior described - I can be 1/2" away from the screen and tap/draw. But if I don't press the tip of the pen, I have to touch the screen to register a tap. There is a very tiny amount of movement in the white nib, and it should be on a slight spring. Mine doesn't activate upside down either. Maybe someone jammed your pen into something and broke it?
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You're right... I get the same behavior by pressing the nib anywhere over the screen. However, on these defective devices the S Pen still activates the screen in certain areas even without pressing the nib. So I think the pens are probably working okay and it's the digitizer that has problems.
That's my point - the nib is probably broken in a permanently "pressed-in" state. I would suspect the tiny moving-part spring action of the pen before I'd suspect the solid-state digitizer.
AT&T has the spare pen and larger holder for $30, which is a deal considering they offer the spare pen alone for the same price, and Samsung sells the combo for $60. Or you could take it to a store and test the store pen (though based on my experience that would be more likely to be broken or stolen).
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That's my point - the nib is probably broken in a permanently "pressed-in" state. I would suspect the tiny moving-part spring action of the pen before I'd suspect the solid-state digitizer.
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Maybe this picture of a test memo will clarify the issue with my second Note. The S Pen never was close to the screen, at least 1/4" away. But the area of the defect is limited to just a small portion of the screen. So in this case it's not likely to be a permanently depressed nib, but a bad portion of the screen. I can't say what the OP's issue might be. (On my first Note, the bad area was larger and near the top of the screen.)
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Edit: I suspect there's probably some of both out there (bad pens and bad screens)... either way it makes the device difficult to use with the pen and worthy of an exchange.
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Maybe this picture of a test memo will clarify the issue with my second Note. The S Pen never was close to the screen, at least 1/4" away. But the area of the defect is limited to just a small portion of the screen. So in this case it's not likely to be a permanently depressed nib, but a bad portion of the screen. I can't say what the OP's issue might be. (On my first Note, the bad area was larger and near the top of the screen.)
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Ah, sorry, I misunderstood your issue. Got it!
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I'm kind of with ya on this, I wish mine was a little more sensitive. Although mine doesn't sound quite as bad as yours.
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Maybe I exaggerated it a bit. What I would *like* is if the pressure of the pen's own weight was enough to make it work, and I didn't have to physically press down at all to help it. That way I could very lightly glide it around without pressing much if at all. Basically like your fingers -- you really don't need to press down at all and I want to use the pen as a more accurate finger. But I just need to press a bit. Enough that sometimes I don't press enough and get frustrated that I need to re-swipe or re-tap, and it makes me not really want to keep using it lol. I don't need to like lean on it or anything... it requires about as much as you'd need to make a bic pen start to write on paper.
Well, just back from Best Buy. I was lucky because they had just received another shipment of Notes. I did another exchange and my third Note is working great! No problems with the pen/digitizer combination at all (so far).
While at BB I tried the new pen on my old device and found some improvement, but could still get some spurious screen actions in the lower right corner where the digitizer needs calibration. As other posters have noted, it seems worse if you hold the device upside down (maybe due to the pen nib switch), but was still wonky at any angle.
So it looks to me like this issue may sometimes be due to a miscalibrated or defective S Pen, sometimes a miscalibrated or defective digitizer screen, and sometimes a combination of both. I'm just happy to now have a working device.
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Maybe I exaggerated it a bit. What I would *like* is if the pressure of the pen's own weight was enough to make it work, and I didn't have to physically press down at all to help it. That way I could very lightly glide it around without pressing much if at all. Basically like your fingers -- you really don't need to press down at all and I want to use the pen as a more accurate finger. But I just need to press a bit. Enough that sometimes I don't press enough and get frustrated that I need to re-swipe or re-tap, and it makes me not really want to keep using it lol. I don't need to like lean on it or anything... it requires about as much as you'd need to make a bic pen start to write on paper.
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I'm having the same issue...I have to press harder then I'd like. We cannot be the only ones that think like this right? I would like the pen to work under its own weight.
So the question is. How sensitive is your spen guys? I'd like to make sure there is no problem with my phone or spen.
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Well, just back from Best Buy. I was lucky because they had just received another shipment of Notes. I did another exchange and my third Note is working great! No problems with the pen/digitizer combination at all (so far).
While at BB I tried the new pen on my old device and found some improvement, but could still get some spurious screen actions in the lower right corner where the digitizer needs calibration. As other posters have noted, it seems worse if you hold the device upside down (maybe due to the pen nib switch), but was still wonky at any angle.
So it looks to me like this issue may sometimes be due to a miscalibrated or defective S Pen, sometimes a miscalibrated or defective digitizer screen, and sometimes a combination of both. I'm just happy to now have a working device.
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Glad to hear that BB is working with you. My phone and pens (the pen that came with the phone, as well as the pen that came with the "s pen holder" accessory) both display the same symptoms while I'm using the pen at an upwards angle. My s memo test was much worse, as the screen starts acknowledging the s pen well above the picture above. It's super frustrating, and I'm glad to hear that not all phones are like this. I'll definitely be exchanging my phone when I have a few hours of free time.
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... It's super frustrating, and I'm glad to hear that not all phones are like this. I'll definitely be exchanging my phone when I have a few hours of free time.
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Sorry, I guess I should have updated this thread. My third Note started exhibiting the same issue after about six hours of use, although it was still better than my first two. I also checked the display models at my AT&T store and they showed the same issue, so all five Notes I've had contact with all have shown the same defect.
My solution was found in another thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517411
In post #22 of that thread was my final fix, which is still working great for me at this point.
Found this on reddit/r/Android, might be pretty cool to try, and super cheap as well!
Basically you take any pen, stick a piece of paper in the tip, and wrap it with some anti electrostatic discharge plastic of sorts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHhB2BF5yQM&list=FL6aHtJ-9UTntwc8r_OO_TcQ&index=2&feature=plpp_video
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Found this on reddit/r/Android, might be pretty cool to try, and super cheap as well!
Basically you take any pen, stick a piece of paper in the tip, and wrap it with some anti electrostatic discharge plastic of sorts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHhB2BF5yQM&list=FL6aHtJ-9UTntwc8r_OO_TcQ&index=2&feature=plpp_video
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Seen it and tried it. Pretty lame, but that just may be me. The thing is, the digitiser on the Prime IS a piece of junk, sure the chip is great, but the actual capacitive layer is absolute junk.
I love my Prime, but my brother's iPad2 makes the Prime's touchscreen look like Fisher Price "my first tablet"
I have touchscreentune installed, which makes the screen actually usable, but I will look long and hard at specs when I eventually upgrade.
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but the actual capacitive layer is absolute junk.
I love my Prime, but my brother's iPad2 makes the Prime's touchscreen look like Fisher Price "my first tablet"
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any data to back that up? or just your opinion?
Of course not, he just want's to jump on the band wagon
I have had my prime now for 2 weeks. This is after having borrowed a friends prime for nearly a month and a half. I have used both an iPad, and iPad 2, the Galaxy Tab 10.1, and the Eee Pad Slider with windows 7... The digitizer on this works fine. It is no different than anything else save for it's processor can actually handle the input speed and response of 10 separate data points, and the fact that he fails to address that the primes digitizer will handle all 10 touch points without a slowdown in data processing tells you he has no idea what he is talking about. Stop propagating bull**** to make you seem "cool" like the whiny *****es who's "GPS doesn't work" oh my god! Who cares? really. I get a 5 Sat lock on GPS test and so far, my random reboots stopped after .15. I had a single issue with HDMI out, then I swapped the cable and moved it to a different input on my TV (i.e. not the one that has been pulled on by my kids, and not the micro cable that came with the atrix) Seriously. I know some have had issues, but I have 7 people that I work with who have primes, both C1 and C2, 3 more that I talk to in my old unit who bought them as well, biggest complaint? Reboots before .15 ... I think it was a quad core issue with ICS, it wasn't ready and Asus rushed it. Stop complaining, and realize you are just regretful you spent 5 to 600 you didn't have at the time and now you want your money back.
You are absolutly right IF .........
loveableterrorepic4g said:
I have had my prime now for 2 weeks. This is after having borrowed a friends prime for nearly a month and a half. I have used both an iPad, and iPad 2, the Galaxy Tab 10.1, and the Eee Pad Slider with windows 7... The digitizer on this works fine. It is no different than anything else save for it's processor can actually handle the input speed and response of 10 separate data points, and the fact that he fails to address that the primes digitizer will handle all 10 touch points without a slowdown in data processing tells you he has no idea what he is talking about. Stop propagating bull**** to make you seem "cool" like the whiny *****es who's "GPS doesn't work" oh my god! Who cares? really. I get a 5 Sat lock on GPS test and so far, my random reboots stopped after .15. I had a single issue with HDMI out, then I swapped the cable and moved it to a different input on my TV (i.e. not the one that has been pulled on by my kids, and not the micro cable that came with the atrix) Seriously. I know some have had issues, but I have 7 people that I work with who have primes, both C1 and C2, 3 more that I talk to in my old unit who bought them as well, biggest complaint? Reboots before .15 ... I think it was a quad core issue with ICS, it wasn't ready and Asus rushed it. Stop complaining, and realize you are just regretful you spent 5 to 600 you didn't have at the time and now you want your money back.
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You are absolutly right IF ............. you can post a picture of a straight diagonal line (45 degrees) drawn on the prime
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You are absolutly right IF ............. you can send me a picture of a straight diagonal line (45 degrees) drawn on the prime
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Would you be mad fi I used eskitch with bline straightening just kidding... I will post one inthe morning... im 7 boddingtons deep and enjoying my surf time haha
loveableterrorepic4g said:
I have had my prime now for 2 weeks. This is after having borrowed a friends prime for nearly a month and a half. I have used both an iPad, and iPad 2, the Galaxy Tab 10.1, and the Eee Pad Slider with windows 7... The digitizer on this works fine. It is no different than anything else save for it's processor can actually handle the input speed and response of 10 separate data points, and the fact that he fails to address that the primes digitizer will handle all 10 touch points without a slowdown in data processing tells you he has no idea what he is talking about. Stop propagating bull**** to make you seem "cool" like the whiny *****es who's "GPS doesn't work" oh my god! Who cares? really. I get a 5 Sat lock on GPS test and so far, my random reboots stopped after .15. I had a single issue with HDMI out, then I swapped the cable and moved it to a different input on my TV (i.e. not the one that has been pulled on by my kids, and not the micro cable that came with the atrix) Seriously. I know some have had issues, but I have 7 people that I work with who have primes, both C1 and C2, 3 more that I talk to in my old unit who bought them as well, biggest complaint? Reboots before .15 ... I think it was a quad core issue with ICS, it wasn't ready and Asus rushed it. Stop complaining, and realize you are just regretful you spent 5 to 600 you didn't have at the time and now you want your money back.
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U mad Bro?
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U mad Bro?
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nope my bro just got back from Afghanistan, haven't seen him sinceigtt out aftert i was ther, He is passed out after a fewpints, now imn getikng my XDA fix ha
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Stop propagating bull**** to make you seem "cool"
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I could say the very same to you. Everyone knows that the Primes digitiser is rubbish. You merely have to write something on it without using touchscreetune to see how awful it is.
I also have no issue with the money spent on my Prime as I didn't pay a penny for it, it was a gift, so get your facts straight before throwing around wild accusations of me being a "whiny *****" as you so eloquently put it.
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Would you be mad fi I used eskitch with bline straightening just kidding... I will post one inthe morning... im 7 boddingtons deep and enjoying my surf time haha
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How about the picture of a straight diagonal line???
OR
An apology
;-)
Will have to try that line out mostly use it as my Everyday web surfing, ebook , college and pr0n (until GF comes and I hit the home key fast)
Have no scratches on it and fully covered in protectors on screen and back so I consider it on loan and treat it carefully till the tf 700 comes out.
Anyway I can't even draw a straight diagonal line on paper... so my paper is broken too
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Will have to try that line out mostly use it as my Everyday web surfing, ebook , college and pr0n (until GF comes and I hit the home key fast)
Have no scratches on it and fully covered in protectors on screen and back so I consider it on loan and treat it carefully till the tf 700 comes out.
Anyway I can't even draw a straight diagonal line on paper... so my paper is broken too
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then better cut down on the drinking
:-D
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then better cut down on the drinking
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Cut down on drinking?? That's alcohol abuse!
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Really...you're gonna compare a tfp to a pos ipad 2? I have an ipad 2 for my 4 year old and he says "its for babies."
I'm not really seeing this "can't draw a diagonal line" issue either. Firstly, I can say that I have never EVER had the need to draw a straight diagonal line. I'm not sure if you have some sort of odd diagonal line art or something.
But the inquisitive side of me took hold and I opened up supernote so I could make an annotation of a diagonal line. I drew a straight diagonal line. Which any imperfection in the diagonal line was 100% my fault as I said before, this was my first time even attempting to draw a diagonal line. So *scratches head* this argument is only valid if 1. You're beneath the age of 4 and need an ipad or 2. You have a fettish for diagonal lines. But I don't get it nor do I see a difference.
Oh and btw I typed this out on my tfp keyboard. So I looked at my son and wondered why the ipad doesn't come with a keyboard dock....then i remembered
Toddlers can't type
There was an entire thread about how crappy the Prime's touch screen is on the Apps forum. You actually need a separate app, Touchscreen Tune (and be rooted) to use a capacitive stylus for anything other than drawing huge letters. If you can compare the Prime (not gonna start a flame war by mentioning the ipad), just compare it with the original Transformer. I have both and the original Transformer is so, so much better for writing.
Nobody cares that it can track 10 fingers at once. We do care that I can't write smaller than 1 inch letters, or can't draw diagonal lines without it being wavy. Maybe you don't need to draw diagonal lines but as engineers, math majors, people who like to write in chinese or japanese, etc etc, all need straight diagonal lines.
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Seen it and tried it. Pretty lame, but that just may be me. The thing is, the digitiser on the Prime IS a piece of junk, sure the chip is great, but the actual capacitive layer is absolute junk.
I love my Prime, but my brother's iPad2 makes the Prime's touchscreen look like Fisher Price "my first tablet"
I have touchscreentune installed, which makes the screen actually usable, but I will look long and hard at specs when I eventually upgrade.
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Maybe you got a bad one
Made this with my finger since I have no stylus available.
No enhancements here, just an Onscreen Screen protector:
The red lines have been drawn with the line tool, the black ones free hand.
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Made this with my finger since I have no stylus available.
No enhancements here, just an Onscreen Screen protector:
The red lines have been drawn with the line tool, the black ones free hand.
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Duhhh
The line created with the line tool has nothing to do with the digitizer. You just input a starting point and an end point and the prime calculates the image to show.
If you look at the freehand lines you see the wave patern.
Doesn't matter if you use a stylus or not. Actually with a stylus it gets worse.
Just take a book as a ruler and put it on the screen at 45 degrees. Then draw a line along the book (finger or stylus).
Wobbly lines ;-)
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Duhhh
The line created with the line tool has nothing to do with the digitizer. You just input a starting point and an end point and the prime calculates the image to show.
If you look at the freehand lines you see the wave patern.
Doesn't matter if you use a stylus or not. Actually with a stylus it gets worse.
Just take a book as a ruler and put it on the screen at 45 degrees. Then draw a line along the book (finger or stylus).
Wobbly lines ;-)
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Mine is wobbly because i used my free hand to draw. But it seemed quite ok for freehand drawing because it looks like how i draw lines on paper too.
Hey guys,
First off let me send a quick apology as I'm not sure if this topic should be in Q&A or general.
Anyway, I've recently been looking at android tablets, mainly for university. The transformer prime caught my eye, hence my posting in this area. The thing is I went into a shop recently and asked why I cannot find the transformer prime in any shop anywhere in london, and the guy had said that the transformer prime is not a good tablet and that the samsung and motorola tablets are far better. Now I don't know if this guy is a complete moron because from what I've read everywhere online, regarding spec and reviews, the transformer prime seems the better choice. I'm just not sure what to buy. I know it's down to personal preference, but what I want this tablet for is typing notes up in lectures without having to lug around a laptop all day. The keyboard dock and USB connectivity are what made me choose the prime over the other, but the hardware spec seems better than the competing tablets. Obviously I want to use the tablet to watch films, play games and listen to music also.
What do you guys think?
Cheers! =)
I think you will be VERY happy with a prime and dock. Nothing else on the market has the battery power, convenience or computing power of the Prime. The keyboard makes all the difference in the world. I wouldn't even consider the Samsung or Motorola tablets after using my prime for a few months.
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>what I want this tablet for is typing notes up in lectures without having to lug around a laptop all day.
How is lugging a laptop different from lugging Prime+dock?
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>what I want this tablet for is typing notes up in lectures without having to lug around a laptop all day.
How is lugging a laptop different from lugging Prime+dock?
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It's a lot smaller and lighter. my laptop is ridiculously heavy.
I feel like I was in a similar situation. I consider myself a power pc user but having been in college the last few years keeping a desktop was impractical. Instead I got a workhorse laptop that, while powerful, is too big to conveniently carry anywhere. Not to mention its 90 minute battery life.
As for the OP, if ALL you're looking for is to type notes, then you'll be fine with a TFP and dock. If you're looking to write notes (and tablet note taking software can be extremely handy for things like math or organic chemistry) then I would advise you to buy a tablet with an active digitizer/stylus. I'm not sure which options are out there, but there are a few. I believe Samsung is coming out with the Galaxy Note 10.1 in the near future. I originally had the GalaxyTab 10.1 and loved it, so I know the Galaxy Note 10.1 would be good quality.
However, I love my Prime a whoooole lot more than my GT10.1, but that's probably more of a reflection of the GT10.1 being last gen technology. Tegra 3 is really the only answer if you watch a lot of hi-def media on your tablet--which I do--and the extra ports + laptop dock sold me over in a heartbeat.
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It's a lot smaller and lighter. my laptop is ridiculously heavy.
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been there done that. settled on teh prime and everyone near me gawks at it when they first see it. it's incredible. I don't have to carry a big laptop to school either.
seemless integration with dropbox - i actually use dropsync to keep all my notes up to date on all my machines - with ezpdf reader. It's GREAT! (from a student perspective)
lmk if you have specific questions
and yes, the sales guy is a "moron" that needs to try it to understand how amazing this tablet and dock combo are!
Netbooks are pretty small and light, with long battery life. They are also cheaper and can do more. They can easily do all of the things you listed.
If you want more upscale, then there are ultrabooks for more power and speed, and better looks.
I realize that what you're actually asking isn't so much as opinions of what to buy, but more of affirmation of the decision you probably already made by coming in here, ie "Prime is a good buy," as what else would people say on a Prime forum?
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seemless integration with dropbox - i actually use dropsync to keep all my notes up to date on all my machines - with ezpdf reader. It's GREAT! (from a student perspective)
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Would you mind elaborating on your ezpdf usage habits a little bit? I have three of my textbooks as PDF (a benefit I forgot to mention to the OP. Being able to carry ALL of your books with you, all of the time in the package the size of the tablet is a godsend), and because of the stupid 16:9 aspect ration I have to zoom in and pan on every single page I go to. I basically zoom in until all the useless white margin on the sides of the page is gone.
I have since upgraded to Mantano ereader and I've loved it. It has a feature that intelligently "crops away" all of that extra white margin, so the pages open up zoomed in and I don't have to zoom in manually myself. However, I don't think it's annotation abilities are quite as good as ezpdf's. Hence my asking about your PDF usage.
Implying anyone takes notes.
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qaulity is alot better than that on the original image, I just had to shrink it down.
for stuff I write down - the feeling of taking notes on a tablet can't compare to pen on paper.
I mainly use my tablet for an agenda in jorte calender to keep on top if my assignments, the camera to capture powerpoint slides, as a screen for pdf writeups while I type up papers, and as an easy way of emailing and checking things online on the go.
The dock is great to keep the tablet full on battery throughout the days I'm on campus all day. The usb & full sized sd ports are great for transfering files from flash drives and stuff.
The keyboard itself I personally don't use much unless I'm programming, but it's very useful for alot of people and makes a good screen cover for when it's in my bookbag.
ezPDF has manual crop. You set it once per PDF. It has a "Fit to Text Column" that autocrops, but you have to redo it for every page, which is a pain.
I just tried Mantano. The autocrop function is useful, but buggy. When enabled, it defaults to fit both (length & width) instead of just width, and the Fit function doesn't affect it. So if you have autocrop on, and you rotate from portrait to landscape, the page shrinks to fit the whole page, instead of expanding to fit width.
Second, when in landscape, page update within the page is slow, and scrolling isn't smooth. ezPDF is substantially faster.
10-min verdict: Mantano has more intuitive control settings, and it actually has a manual (ezPDF doesn't have one, nor help). It has autocrop, which doesn't really work. But the killer is the slow page update when in landscape. A reader has to be fast, first and foremost.
It would be nice for ezPDF to have persistent per-page autocrop, but the manual crop works well enough, with minimal hassle.
I would strongly suggest you to get a laptop for university.
Tablet is more for leisure. Real works? Can't beat a Windows laptop.
I think you need a windows machine somewhere. Depending on what you study. I have a desktop at home for all the heavy duty word/excel processing. But for taking notes, using the web for research, or writing an essay, exchanging files, email, the prime is perfect. I'm also doing presentations with the prime (see other thread from me about that). In my case there are no tasks that i need to do on the road or at uni, which i couldnt do with the prime.
But you need to have windows somewhere. At least so you have a remote station at home, that you can use it with your prime. If you have the prime, your home pc comes with you as long as you wifi^^
Get it. It will be worth it.
I am currently a university student as well 3rd year in Canada and got TFP and the dock both at bestbuy.
Never had any issues except for dead GPS (A lot of people say they have wifi problems and etc but I guess it really depends on the model since my friend got one as well and he does not have problems either).
Anyways back to the point...
For taking notes in class, I personally think writing on paper is a lot easier since personally I am in engineering and most of my prof draws stuff on the board like circuits and writes down all kinds of equations. I really don't think you can keep up with the lecture if you want to type out equations and draw diagrams on the notes. But if you usually take notes with words only then this is a great choice since the keyboard is very responsive.
I personally bought this because I didn't like carrying my laptop to school since I tend to study there until late night and my laptop is way too heavy and have super short battery life. (Asus g53jw-a1 great laptop but super big and heavy). If I am away at school and I really need to access my laptop for windows programs (such as matlab) then I just simply use LogMeIn app from my TFP and access my laptop from TFP Just have your laptop or computer on at home and make sure it has internet access... I turn it off only when I sleep.
Overall its great so I would definately recommend it.
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Get the Prime! The build-in software SuperNote is great for taking notes in class. I'm studying a formulae-heavy subject, and this is just perfect for writing them down. You can type text using the dock, and once a formula comes up, you simply draw it on the screen. It get's aligned with the rest of the text. If you want I can upload a little note I have actually taken in class last week that might explain it a little better.
And if you happen to need to use an Office-line product: there are apps that can handle the file formats as well.
The Prime is nice. It's noticeably smaller and lighter than the original Transformer, which would also meet your needs.
So depending on your budget, I'd pick one of those two.
As has already been pointed out, if you have access to WiFi you can remote into your "desktop" PC (assuming it's on and connected to the 'Net).
Splashtop THD is astounding in the speed and clarity of graphics I get when connecting remotely. LogMeIn Ignition is $30, compared to the $7 for Splashtop or free for TeamViewer.
As a student myself I guess I would chip in a bit. In general I think the Prime is pretty great for college. You can use it to view powerpoint and pdf and with EzPDF you can even edit annotations. Having a keyboard is great when I need to type up emails or reports or just doing researches in general. With the dock the battery life is amazing and can easily last well over a school day. The slate form is perfect for "play" but it's also very useful for work as well. I find I pass it around without the keyboard a lot to share my work and research with my coursemates. Or just show them Youtube videos of cats lol.
But before you go off and buy it I guess you should also know the problems as well. For college use, the word processing software you can get are pretty limited and you are basically confined to typing up simple documents. For making proper reports with figures and illustration you'd still need to transfer your work to a PC. If you are planning on using it to take a lot of handwritten notes, the Prime digitiser is also not very good for drawing lines and such compared to other tablets you could get. If you use a capacitive stylus the touch response is much worse and it's pretty much unusable unless you root and tweak the touchscreen sensitivity. Lastly the Wi-Fi reception is pretty sub-standard, so if in college you usually get weak Wi-Fi signal a Prime might struggle to connect to the internet.
Anyway overall it's a damn good piece of hardware but there are a few drawbacks too. If they don't matter to you then I think you should go for it.
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I personally bought this because I didn't like carrying my laptop to school since I tend to study there until late night and my laptop is way too heavy and have super short battery life. (Asus g53jw-a1 great laptop but super big and heavy). If I am away at school and I really need to access my laptop for windows programs (such as matlab) then I just simply use LogMeIn app from my TFP and access my laptop from TFP Just have your laptop or computer on at home and make sure it has internet access... I turn it off only when I sleep.
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Can you comment on logmein? I don't like the other solutions out there but $30 is expensive! Splashtop that's bundled doesn't work so well for me but I haven't bought the thd or HD versions yet.
As for PDF reading, I'll comment on it when I'm on my prime in a few hours. I've tried ezpdf and repligo since all my slides are PDF and I have to annotate them.
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Hmm... although this is Transformer Prime forum...
I have to recommend a combination of Windows machine + iPad.
As far as tablets go, while Android devices .. especially Prime .. do provide many functions that people have listed above... Apple & iPad 2/3 will have access to iBook Textbooks.
iBook Textbook alone might trump many of the features that comes with Android tablets (and as far as I know, Android doesn't have access or provide sheer volume of iBook Textbook)...
you will deffo want some kind of PC to do real work on. My uni work involved a load of Powerpoint presentations (LOADS) which wuldbe easier to create on a laptop.
however you're right, a prime with dock would be excellent to take to lectures and type rough notes. thats if you actually go to the lectures (I didn't).
It will also be good to show off and impress people.
The real idea to buy mi prime was have the best of two machines, but if you need focus in heavy works like others say. Buy a laptop or use splashtop HD. Jajaja works some time.