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I recent went to rooted stock (2.1) ... I'm a fan of sense but I was wondering is it possible to flash a new kernal so I can overclock and if so what kernals are available?
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Dahsar said:
I recent went to rooted stock (2.1) ... I'm a fan of sense but I was wondering is it possible to flash a new kernal so I can overclock and if so what kernals are available?
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This is probably what you want. FYI I highly recommend the excellent (and oft-recommended by others) xtrSENSE. You don't have to use any of it's advanced features you don't want; it comes like this already:
Default ROM Configuration:
You do not need to run any scripts unless you would like to change the following default configuration:
dalvik.vm.heapsize: 24m
min free memory values: "balanced" (1536,2048,4096,10240,12800,38400)
CPU Overclocked: Min-245760 Max-710400
CPU Governor: Ondemand
Just In Time Compiler (JIT): Off
Cache Location: Cache2cache On
Apps2sd: Off
Userservice and battery tweak: Off
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Cache2Cache is a tweak zach.xtr (the ROM's author) created which moves the Cache to a different internal memory partition, which frees up another 40MB or so of internal memory for apps without using Apps2SD.
It's still Sense and it's identical to Stock in the ways that matter, and it runs beautifully. It's also very user friendly to those new to using some ROM's advanced features and you can change the overclock settings.
Further, back to your original question, IMHO (and at least some people agree) the overclock kernel xtrSENSE and some other 2.1-based ROMs use work better than the CFS I linked to at the top of this post.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
This is probably what you want.
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FWIW, I have tried running the CFS kernel on xtrSENSE (which is close to stock) and it froze hard (battery pull required) after about a day. It did it again after about another day, and I finally went back to the default Zanfur kerne. I would stay away from CFS on stock, xtrSENSE or xtrROM.
Dahsar said:
I recent went to rooted stock (2.1) ... I'm a fan of sense but I was wondering is it possible to flash a new kernal so I can overclock and if so what kernals are available?
Sent from my Eris using XDA App
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Just use the SetCPU app
Just thought I'd throw in another recommendation for xtrSense. Should run great as is but if you want more control I was always pleased with how setCPU worked for me
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Sir_Eagle said:
Just use the SetCPU app
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Merely throwing an overclocking app on a rooted phone won't work unless you have an overclockable kernel.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
Merely throwing an overclocking app on a rooted phone won't work unless you have an overclockable kernel.
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Worked for me
Sir_Eagle said:
Worked for me
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I just did the following:
1. Flashed [ROM] HTC Eris March 2011 OTA Stock ROM - v2.41.605.6
2. Flashed engtools3.zip referenced in the first post in that thread to re-root.
3. Using QtADB I installed SetCPU for Root Users [2.1.1a] Dual Core Madness 2/27/2011.
4. I ran SetCPU, performed the AutoDetect function after granting it Root Access via the SuperUser prompt, and this is the result (screenshot taken with QtADB):
Then to give further benefit of the doubt, in SetCPU I pressed the Menu soft button, then "Device Selection", "Show Other Frequency Sets" and chose to manually retrieve the Eris' overclocking speeds from the setcpu.txt file (bottom of the list of devices) on the SD card from when I used to run SetCPU eons ago.
As expected, SetCPU then shows the following:
Actually, the max was set to 528 but I tried manually setting it to 767, rebooted, and SetCPU still shows that despite what SetCPU wants to set the CPU at, it's still 528 max and 480 min.
You might not have known it but you're running an overclocking kernel of some sort. Perhaps via whatever rooting method you used. But just the act of rooting itself doesn't give you an overclocking kernel.
Alls I can say is I did it last year with the June OTA, rooted, flashed the engtools, and used whatever version of setCPU that was out then. I know I had it set to 710 and to set on boot. It stayed there, 710 max and 245 min I think. Never flashed a new kernel.
Sir_Eagle said:
Alls I can say is I did it last year with the June OTA, rooted, flashed the engtools, and used whatever version of setCPU that was out then. I know I had it set to 710 and to set on boot. It stayed there, 710 max and 245 min I think. Never flashed a new kernel.
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It's impossible unless HTC accidentally put an overclocking kernel on your phone, which is ludicrous. Do I believe you that you believe that's all that happened? Yes. Do I believe you overclocked with the default kernel? No. You would've been the only person to have ever done this.
There are people here who are smarter than me about these things, and the only way they have found to overclock is by flashing a custom kernel.
Ask the author of SetCPU if that was possible; I'm sure he will tell you the same thing.
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Here is a step by step of how I originally rooted.
Sir_Eagle said:
Here is a step by step of how I originally rooted.
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I tried downloading that three times and got this:
I figured it out, though. The file extension should just be the old Microsoft Office .doc instead of the newer .docx. Amazing that Microsoft Word 2010 doesn't automatically handle this just because of the file extension.
The document says:
[FONT="]Prerequisites:
- Eris w/ any HTC/VZW release (including 1.5, all leaks V1-V3, & root-ROM)
- Install free Market app Gscript Lite (PinkVenture)
- Install free Market app EStrongs File Explorer
- Download gscript.zip (MD5 92796a8c6e61e8f1ee36e315c0acae7d)
- The ROM of your choice downloaded onto your SD card in the root folder. (T2noob's PlainJaneT2 V2.0 looks good - includes the July 2010 updates.)[/FONT]
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PlainJane's thread says:
This rom uses Zanfurs OC path which can be found Here
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That's the overclocking kernel. So my question is, did you use PlainJane? If so, you didn't "only" root the stock ROM. You rooted and then you installed a CUSTOM version of an otherwise stock ROM. That custom ROM had an overclocking kernel, therefore you were able to overclock.
That's in the document as an example but I didn't flash any ROM just the engtools.
Fixed the attached file in case anyone else wants to look at it.
Time Machine!!!
Sir_Eagle,
Gonna have to weigh-in with roirraW "edor" ehT re. this, lol.
Check out this thread back over on AF: http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/132652-rooting-question.html
See post #20 (http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/132652-rooting-question.html#post1236881).
I remember when we did this, lol, so you must have flashed Zanfur's overclock patch that we referenced.
Been a while, eh? Man, that seems like an eternity ago...
Cheers!
Sir_Eagle said:
That's in the document as an example but I didn't flash any ROM just the engtools.
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Sir_Eagle said:
Fixed the attached file in case anyone else wants to look at it.
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Good idea. Some user will find this thread and start asking you questions if they couldn't get your document open.
I just checked and the engtools3.zip that I used in my proof several posts back has the exact same hash as the hash provided in that Word document "ba944bbb80c8e1290f237429b8130f83".
The engtools3.zip doesn't touch the kernel on the phone. If you don't want to believe me, or all the other people in these and other forums that merely rooting doesn't enable the ability to overclock, then that is your issue and I'm no longer going to allow it to be mine. I have humored you as far as I am capable, I have shown you physical proof of what I have said, I even started to read the document you sent me in hopes I could find what tiny step you didn't realize you did even though you swear you didn't. If you didn't even do everything in the instructions of the document I don't know why you bothered to send it to me.
I have nothing against you, but if you're not going to show me any proof then I'm done here.
The whole point of my statement was because noone else in the Eris rooting world can overclock their phone without installing a custom kernel, and I just wanted to let you know that since you didn't seem to realize that. It's useless for you to advise people who aren't running a custom ROM to just install SetCPU (or any other oc app), so I thought I should let you know so that you don't misinform people in the future.
The burden of proof is on you, not me. I have bent over backwards to show you that what you said couldn't be the full truth.
Take care, and good luck, and see you in the other threads in more productive circumstances, I hope.
scary alien said:
Sir_Eagle,
Gonna have to weigh-in with roirraW "edor" ehT re. this, lol.
Check out this thread back over on AF: http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/132652-rooting-question.html
See post #20 (http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/132652-rooting-question.html#post1236881).
I remember when we did this, lol, so you must have flashed Zanfur's overclock patch that we referenced.
Been a while, eh? Man, that seems like an eternity ago...
Cheers!
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Thanks, scary alien!
scary alien said:
Sir_Eagle,
Gonna have to weigh-in with roirraW "edor" ehT re. this, lol.
Check out this thread back over on AF: http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/132652-rooting-question.html
See post #20 (http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/132652-rooting-question.html#post1236881).
I remember when we did this, lol, so you must have flashed Zanfur's overclock patch that we referenced.
Been a while, eh? Man, that seems like an eternity ago...
Cheers!
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Not trying to complicate things, but I see in that thread that you say:
You'll still have some other work to do regarding overclocking (you'll need to get the setCPU app from the Market; if you want to o/c higher than 710MHz, you have to flash Zanfur's OC patch).
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Does that mean that with SetCPU that you can overclock at least some with the stock kernel? If so then I eat my words and apologize to Sir Eagle!
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
Not trying to complicate things, but I see in that thread that you say:
Does that mean that with SetCPU that you can overclock at least some with the stock kernel? If so then I eat my words and apologize to Sir Eagle!
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No, you are/were spot-on... I think the confusion here is that I was trying to tell people to get (and pay for) setCPU from the Market (vs. getting it for free somewhere (unless they were XDA members)). I was just trying to bolster what the setCPU author was saying at the time (telling various ROM devs to stop distributing his app without permission and that folks should either become XDA members or pay for it on the Market).
I didn't separate the thoughts re. setCPU and having to flash Zanfur's kernel very well (I was, admittedly, very green in the gills back then...not saying I'm still not, mind you ).
But I'm pretty sure SirEagle flashed the overclock patch since we discussed that in the thread and its in his original .pdf document he posted. Since it really was/is easy to do, I'm sure its easy to forget that one did it too.
I just came across this thread tonight and it rang a little bell...so, I hopped in my "time machine" and found the old thread (I actually remember that night very well, I *think* it was a very hot Sunday and I had played soccer earlier that evening and was a little fuzzy-brained, lol (all I really wanted to do was chill-out instead of writing-up those instructions...but I was glad I did afterwards--it was fun ).
Cheers!
scary alien said:
No, you are/were spot-on... I think the confusion here is that I was trying to tell people to get (and pay for) setCPU from the Market (vs. getting it for free somewhere (unless they were XDA members)). I was just trying to bolster what the setCPU author was saying at the time (telling various ROM devs to stop distributing his app without permission and that folks should either become XDA members or pay for it on the Market).
I didn't separate the thoughts re. setCPU and having to flash Zanfur's kernel very well (I was, admittedly, very green in the gills back then...not saying I'm still not, mind you ).
But I'm pretty sure SirEagle flashed the overclock patch since we discussed that in the thread and its in his original .pdf document he posted. Since it really was/is easy to do, I'm sure its easy to forget that one did it too.
I just came across this thread tonight and it rang a little bell...so, I hopped in my "time machine" and found the old thread (I actually remember that night very well, I *think* it was a very hot Sunday and I had played soccer earlier that evening and was a little fuzzy-brained, lol (all I really wanted to do was chill-out instead of writing-up those instructions...but I was glad I did afterwards--it was fun ).
Cheers!
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Oh, okay, I understand. Thanks, again!
It's funny how we can remember all sorts of details. I remember a lot of details like that, too.
I just recently rooted my thunderbolt, and I have a few questions about overclocking. I'm not as familiar with the thunderbolt as I am with the moto droid, so I'm not sure what an average speed is to overclock to. On my old droid, I overclocked up to 1.2ghz without any problems. On my thunderbolt, however, when I overclock past 1.267ghz, it freezes and then reboots. I'm not sure if that's normal or if my phone just isn't capable of handling anything more than that, but i feel like most people can get at least to 1.4ghz. Will a different kernel work better with my phone? And what are all of you overclocked to?
edit: forgot to mention i'm running synergy rom in case that makes a difference
Which kernel are you running? The stock synergy one? I don't know if it will make a difference changing them or not, but it could be a voltage problem with that specific kernel and your phone. I think all well at least I thought all Tbolts could handle 1.4ghz.
I personally don't have a problem even if I'm overclocked to 1.92 and extremely undervolted.
Yes, I'm running the kernel that came with synergy rom. So you think if I change the kernel it should work better? Is there a specific one you recommend?
I can't say for sure it will make a difference but it's worth a shot. I really like Imoseyon's kernels.
I've run that kernel. Ziggy tends to be pretty conservative regarding his voltages. You've got several options with a Ziggy kernel. You can write a script to change them. He explains how at ziggy471.com. You can use ScriptFusion, though I'd suggest using the terminal install as the app had some issues when I used it. Or, You could switch up to Imoseyon or dreamkernel, both of which I've found to be a bit more stable at higher clock speeds. 1.41GHz should be the least you should be able to over clock, with most able to do 1.6 and some able to pull off 1.8 or 1.9. Synergy and Ziggy kernels are NOT for the novice. Ziggy kernels aren't really meant to be toyed with my amateurs that aren't comfortable with ADB and basic script writing. ScriptFusion does work well on it though. Some ideas for voltage settings to get you to 1.6GHz: 1.024 should be somewhere around 1050 to 1100, 1.22 around 1150, 1.4 around 1275, 1.6 around 1375. I run my 1.6 at 1400 for stability, but some may be stable as low as 1325 at that speed. It's trial and error. How to test, using the ziggy kernel? Very easy. Open the terminal and enter "echo "xxxxxxx yyyy" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels" where xxxxxxx represents the clock setting and yyyy represents the voltage setting you wish to apply to the clock setting. Omit the quotes. This is useful if the setting is unstable. If it locks up, the phone will restart using original settings. Definitely check Ziggy's site if you're interested in learning how to work with his kernels the right way.
Thanks for taking the time to explain all that. I really don't want to mess around with any scripts, as i'm really not an expert with this stuff. I think I'm going to flash a new kernel and see if it helps. I was thinking of using dreamkernel, but there are three different files and I'm not sure which one to pick...?
http://www.nerozehl.net/dreamkernel_sense_2_3_6.zip - MD5:
15985306c69cf659c96abc085b9fa3a2
http://www.nerozehl.net/dreamkernel_sense_2_3_0.zip - MD5: 9f2e3f78d5d11b18508b141f715224fc
http://www.nerozehl.net/dreamkernel_sense_2_2_4.zip - MD5: ce5bd02540cbba9e687d5dbaae56931b
Those are the choices. Could you explain to me what the difference is between the three?
Also do you know if jdlfg's kernels are any good? I used to use them on my old droid and I really liked them, but they're not listed under the xda kernel list (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081930) so I don't know if they're compatible with my phone. Again, thanks for your help.
xoluvsdance12 said:
Thanks for taking the time to explain all that. I really don't want to mess around with any scripts, as i'm really not an expert with this stuff. I think I'm going to flash a new kernel and see if it helps. I was thinking of using dreamkernel, but there are three different files and I'm not sure which one to pick...?
http://www.nerozehl.net/dreamkernel_sense_2_3_6.zip - MD5:
15985306c69cf659c96abc085b9fa3a2
http://www.nerozehl.net/dreamkernel_sense_2_3_0.zip - MD5: 9f2e3f78d5d11b18508b141f715224fc
http://www.nerozehl.net/dreamkernel_sense_2_2_4.zip - MD5: ce5bd02540cbba9e687d5dbaae56931b
Those are the choices. Could you explain to me what the difference is between the three?
Also do you know if jdlfg's kernels are any good? I used to use them on my old droid and I really liked them, but they're not listed under the xda kernel list (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081930) so I don't know if they're compatible with my phone. Again, thanks for your help.
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Those are merely different revisions of the same kernel. Use the newest one, 2.2.6,... that is, if your synergy build isn't on the newer gingerbread base. If it is, you're stuck with Ziggy's unless a working front facing camera and WiFi are features you couldn't care less about. On the newer gingerbread builds, Imoseyon's have proven faster than dreamkernel. Can't tell you why. From what I've seen of the latest Ziggy's, it simply cannot be clocked fast enough to keep up with Imoseyon or dreamkernel. Can't tell you much about the jdlfg. I thought that was an AOSP kernel. Never used it in any case.
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Those are merely different revisions of the same kernel. Use the newest one, 2.2.6,... that is, if your synergy build isn't on the newer gingerbread base. If it is, you're stuck with Ziggy's unless a working front facing camera and WiFi are features you couldn't care less about. On the newer gingerbread builds, Imoseyon's have proven faster than dreamkernel. Can't tell you why. From what I've seen of the latest Ziggy's, it simply cannot be clocked fast enough to keep up with Imoseyon or dreamkernel. Can't tell you much about the jdlfg. I thought that was an AOSP kernel. Never used it in any case.
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So if I'm on a newer gingerbread build I can't flash any other kernel? How do I know if I'm on a newer gingerbread build? I just flashed synergy rom I believe on July 20th or so, so I guess I am running the newer build.
If I do run lean kernel, my options are GB SENSE DOWNLOADS:
1) lean test, 1) 184Mhz test, 3) Stock kernel, 4) USBfix, 5) 2.5.3test7 kernel, 6) dreamKernel
Which of these would I want? Stock?
Also, it says the GB sense kernel is a test version and has bugs. Should I worry about that?
xoluvsdance12 said:
So if I'm on a newer gingerbread build I can't flash any other kernel? How do I know if I'm on a newer gingerbread build? I just flashed synergy rom I believe on July 20th or so, so I guess I am running the newer build.
If I do run lean kernel, my options are GB SENSE DOWNLOADS:
1) lean test, 1) 184Mhz test, 3) Stock kernel, 4) USBfix, 5) 2.5.3test7 kernel, 6) dreamKernel
Which of these would I want? Stock?
Also, it says the GB sense kernel is a test version and has bugs. Should I worry about that?
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1 through 5 are all good. Dreamkernel is a bit different, but not bad. I'm using the test to write this on, so its quick and solid. If the nightly is that new, its probably the new base so using one of these will likely mess up your front facing camera and WiFi. Before you flash one of these, try Twistedumbrella's scriptfusion on that Ziggy kernel. That might be the best way to go at this point. If you have any question, hit me up.
I went on ziggy471.com, but I'm a little confused about which article to read about writing scripts. Is it this one? http://www.ziggy471.com/2011/04/07/vdd-smartass-and-cpufreq-sysfs-interfaces-and-how-to-use-them/
I'm kind of hesitant to use script fusion, as I don't want to mess anything up, so I was wondering if you could walk me through it? Or at least point me in the right direction on finding instructions? I looked at the page for scriptfusion, but I didn't understand what a lot of the things meant. I really don't know much about this stuff. If you think it will be too difficult for me, I will just accept not overclocking and hope the wifi issues will be fixed on the other kernels soon.
I alternated between leanKernel & dreamKernel on Gingeritis. Too bad imoseyon hasn't updated Sense leanKernel in almost 4 weeks. I guess he's sticking with cm7
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I am running chingys lastest 3d beta 5 and I have always used dreams sense kernals but this one came with ziggys and I have decided to try it out. Is it a bad idea to just use setcpu with ziggys kernal? I know your not supposed to use setcpu with speedtweak.sh but this kernal doesn't use that
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I am running chingys lastest 3d beta 5 and I have always used dreams sense kernals but this one came with ziggys and I have decided to try it out. Is it a bad idea to just use setcpu with ziggys kernal? I know your not supposed to use setcpu with speedtweak.sh but this kernal doesn't use that
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SetCPU works with ziggy's kernel. For the record, SetCPU works with speedtweak as long as you instruct speedtweak to ignore max/min freqs
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SetCPU works just fine for any kernel. The reason you don't want to use SetCPU with ScriptFusion is they both attempt to do the same thing using the same method; create a script that will alter your settings. The disadvantage of SetCPU is that it's an app that takes up resources. Not a whole lot, but it does. ScriptFusion takes up nothing because it executes the script at boot and it's done. ScriptFusion simply makes writing a fairly complex script fast and easy, but the end result is a script that is written to /system/etc/init.d. Ziggy's kernels allow you more options in scripting than ScriptFusion provides for, if you know how to write the script. Stuff like manipulating the behavior of the governors and the like. That link is correct, and he has answered questions regarding that script on the Synergy Development thread at infectedrom.com. I'd like to help more, but I couldn't even write a script for one of his kernels because his settings are subject to change with every kernel revision. You'd have to know the stepping for the the clock and voltages before you could do anything. That's easy enough to get using the "cat" command, but if you don't know much about linux commands, doing the stuff you need to do can be a little daunting. I would suggest using ScriptFusion, and do a nandroid first. Also, download the GuiltyVirdict which will remove all setting if something goes wrong. If you want to try a speed or voltage setting before applying it through speedtweak.sh, follow what's in that guide. You can do it either through the terminal on your phone or through ADB. I've tried all of it and it does work.
If you'd like to hit me up while you're messing with it, you can hit me up on yahoo messenger at [email protected]
I'm using imyosons gb test kernel on gingeritis 3d and its smooth as butter at 1.4
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I've been running Synergy Rom/Ziggy's Kernel for about 1.5 months now, minimum I've ran it at is 1.2, max is 1.6. I haven't tried to go above that, but I've never had any issues with it going south on me. I set up a few different profiles, and drop it to about 768 overnight (3am to 7am for me). It's worked like a champ.
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I'm using imyosons gb test kernel on gingeritis 3d and its smooth as butter at 1.4
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@sonami: battery life been just as good or better on his rom than Ziggy's?
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xoluvsdance12 said:
I went on ziggy471.com, but I'm a little confused about which article to read about writing scripts. Is it this one? http://www.ziggy471.com/2011/04/07/vdd-smartass-and-cpufreq-sysfs-interfaces-and-how-to-use-them/
I'm kind of hesitant to use script fusion, as I don't want to mess anything up, so I was wondering if you could walk me through it? Or at least point me in the right direction on finding instructions? I looked at the page for scriptfusion, but I didn't understand what a lot of the things meant. I really don't know much about this stuff. If you think it will be too difficult for me, I will just accept not overclocking and hope the wifi issues will be fixed on the other kernels soon.
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That's the right link. If you're reluctant to use scriptfusion, I'm not going to suggest doing a manual script, as that all scriptfusion does in a much easier way. Scripts are the only way to adjust a voltage to make a less than stable clock speed become stable. I get the strong impression virtually ever Tbolt can do 1.41GHz, if not 1.6GHz. Is you're on Gingeritus3D beta5 I'd suggest moving to 6 since Ziggy made noticeable changes to the kernel that improve speed and overclocking. The voltage scale on Ziggy's in beta6 shouldn't require voltage changes to achieve 1.41GHz. ScriptFusion isn't that scary. Give it a try. And if things go real sour, use guilty verdict.
Alright - I'm not the type to ask questions if I haven't done hours of research already. Please do not tell me to google it, look harder, etc. Some of this stuff has frustrated me to no end, and some of you may be able to answer the question off the top of your head. So why not help out, right? ^^.
I did take a lot of time writing these questions out, and I know that it is quote a long read. If you only want to answer one here and there, that is fine. I GREATLY appreciate all help. If I sound mad at all during the read, please excuse that. If anything I'm a little frustrated, but definitely not mad at anyone or anything. I just want answers.
My Device:
3D with Silverlight/Netarchy-5 as the Kernel, and Synergy Rev. 316 2.3.3 as my Rom. So far, I have only been able to get a max quadrant score of 2600. Sort of disappointing compared to my last kernel/rom build, especially when I saw all the good Quadrant scores on Synergy's thread (and yes, I tested Ziggy's Stock Kernel too that came with it, but with no change in Quadrant scores).
I want to stick to 2.3.3 until they have overclocking for 2.3.4.
My old Kernel + Rom build was the RCMIX Kernel that could OC to 2050, and the Shooter Rewind 3D ROM. With this set-up, I was able to get a Quadrant score of 3,660.
Unanswered Questions (Or Questions I am still confused on):
2) In the Kernel threads, I always try to find which one will provide the best performance. I have a 4500 mah battery, so I usually can make almost anything last 2+ days for me. However, I'm not sure how to compare Kernels and determine what is better. This is what is listed under RCMIX:
V(R) I/O
SLQB
WIFI FIX
CIFS
TUN
NLS
WIMAX SUPPORT
Wifi Tweak to connect a weaker signal -108db over stock -88db
Under Silverneedle, the other one I think of using, it says:
- CIFS
- TUN
- Overclock up to 1.7ghz (this will likely be expanded in future builds)
- JHash3
- The usual assortment of build tweaks that those familiar with my previous work have come to expect
- Base updated to 2.6.35.14
HOW am I supposed to compare those two performance wise? Also, what does "TUN," "NLS," "V(R) I/O," and "SLQB," "JHash3," "CIFS," etc, mean? I'm assuming WIMAX is for 4g, but I'm not even entirely sure of that.
3) EXT4. I read the thread here, but a lot isn't explained. It says "You should only need to convert to ext4 optimized if you wipe data/nandroid" - is this just system data? I'm assuming it wouldn't wipe SD Card Data, correct? So basically it is like a Factory Reset? But then it says to flash "svn rev 450 or higher" after. Where would I get the Synergy's revised 450 version when I can only get the rev 316 version myself?
5) Virtuous OC MOD. Oh yes - this has probably given me the most trouble than anything. I used to use SetCPU. When I saw that Mod, I uninstalled it, installed virtuous, and it didn't work. I couldn't edit my files via terminal emulator given su permissions, via root explorer, anything. So I thought there was a conflict through some file left by setcpu and virtuous. SO I did a factory reset.
I then installed rev 316 synergy and RCMIX 4.2 with a 1.8ghz allowable OC on it, and also flashed the virtuous oc + dual core mod. First off, I have no clue what the difference is between DualCore VOC and DualCore 1.1 besides the fact that he said 1.1 solved some lag issue some were experiencing. So I installed that, naturally. Saw nothing change whatsoever. I then tried to edit my Virtuous OC files, which was a success! However, when I ran the command "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq" - which is in his thread to determine if it is working, it showed the unedited number.
So I then did a normal reboot, in hopes it needed init.d to trigger, and I got stuck in an infinite reboot.
Lastly, I installed rev 316 by synergy again with silverneedle/netarchy 5 kernel. And that's where I am now. What did I do wrong?
6) Chainfire 3D / Turbo 3D (can't find link atm, but each are from the same creator). Will this help quadrant scores? What is this used for? Is it helpful?
8) What's the point of the V6 Supercharger for Android? How does it improve memory? Does it do the same thing as far as EXT4 is concerned? Is it already implemented in the current roms/kernels?
9) Besides my questions, is there a kernel or rom that you suggest for the best speed/performance, and why?
10) As far as Dual Core goes, as it been more bad than good? I've seen a lot of posts about people lagging with it on. Does it actually help?
11) Without any Dual Core mod on, what does the second CPU normally do anyways? Why would anyone make a dual-core phone without utilizing both dual cores? Or did we lose the dual core availability when we rooted our phones, and we are just now getting some beta beginnings of it back?
Thanks for anyone's time who reads any part of this, and thanks in advance to those who can answer some of them too.
Questions Answered (Thanks for those that helped!!):
If you believe there is more that could have been said in an answer, or that an answer is wrong feel free to add-on! Otherwise, I'm satisfied with the answers I have received and believe them to be right.
1) I've read through the Synergy thread, mostly the beginning and ending pages, and people talk about Revisions that are better than other (obviously). I just hooked up my SVN File Updater for the Nightly Updates, so would I not have access to anything later than Rev 316, but older than the current 2.3.4 version? I really would like to have access to the latest 2.3.3 build that works the best, which would probably include the EXT4.
1-Answer by life64x) 318 is the latest 2.3.3 and the last 2.3.3. Since they upgraded to 2.3.4
4) Let's say I backup my entire system apps + data using Titanium. Does that mean after I Wipe/Reset and go to a different rom/kern, or sense to aosp, that if I restored EVERYTHING, it would still work? Or should I only restore the things I "essentially" need?
4-Answer by life64x) Not all your system apps will be restored...sense...sense widgets etc. Data yes.. user apps will be restored. | I then asked "So titanium won't restore things incompatible with the ROM I am on, even if I hit restore all?" | Answer by life64x: That's correct becuase sometimes it won't let you...say different versions of rosie.apk or framework stuff that deals with sense UI.
7) What is "Cyanogen?" I don't understand if that is a type of software, group of people, or what the purpose of whatever that word is.
7-Answer by life64x and phatmanxxl)Cyanogen is the handle of a person that created a alternate android OS..away from manufacture stock software that is smaller and faster...bloateware removed, basic android is there. Cyanogen is also the name of the product from them. I forgot his name, but he developed a alternate source open source I might add for our phones and now tablets. Many phones have it and each phone has developers for it also. ASOP ROMs such as CM7 and MIUI are not available for the EVO3d yet, they are still in development.
Q. 4. Not all your system apps will be restored...sense...sense widgets etc. Data yes.. user apps will be restored.
Q. 7. Cyanogen is the handle of a person that created a alternate android OS..away from manufacture stock software that is smaller and faster...bloateware removed, basic android is there. Cyanogen is also the name of the product from them. I forgot his name, but he developed a alternate source open source I might add for our phones and now tablets. Many phones have it and each phone has developers for it also.
I am at lunch at work now and possibly later others will give the rest or when I get home from work I will try to do more. You have quite a bit and this thread will also help others.
life64x said:
Q. 4. Not all your system apps will be restored...sense...sense widgets etc. Data yes.. user apps will be restored.
Q. 7. Cyanogen is the handle of a person that created a alternate android OS..away from manufacture stock software that is smaller and faster...bloateware removed, basic android is there. Cyanogen is also the name of the product from them. I forgot his name, but he developed a alternate source open source I might add for our phones and now tablets. Many phones have it and each phone has developers for it also.
I am at lunch at work now and possibly later others will give the rest or when I get home from work I will try to do more. You have quite a bit and this thread will also help others.
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Thanks for the information, I appreciate it a lot. So titanium won't restore things incompatible with the ROM I am on, even if I hit restore all?
That's correct becuase sometimes it won't let you...say different versions of rosie.apk or framework stuff that deals with sense UI.
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That's correct becuase sometimes it won't let you...say different versions of rosie.apk or framework stuff that deals with sense UI.
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Awesome. That answers that. Going back to cm7, is it mostly used for tablets? I don't see it for the 3d.
Diabetic said:
Awesome. That answers that. Going back to cm7, is it mostly used for tablets? I don't see it for the 3d.
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ASOP ROMs such as CM7 and MIUI are not available for the EVO3d yet, they are still in development.
Q. 1. 318 is the latest 2.3.3 and the last 2.3.3. Since they upgraded to 2.3.4
Q.6. Don't worry about chain fire, unless you are a gamer. Regarding quadrant, it is crap. If you insist on going by it, take it with a grain off salt. Try other testing methods.
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ASOP ROMs such as CM7 and MIUI are not available for the EVO3d yet, they are still in development.
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Try VirusROM. It's a pretty good little AOSP ROM with some of those CM7 features like changeable desktop size, drawer size, custom rosie/launcher, custom animations.
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ASOP ROMs such as CM7 and MIUI are not available for the EVO3d yet, they are still in development.
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Ah - got it. So CM7 and MIUI are for original AOSP then? According to some threads, it is getting close. Should be interesting to watch. Thanks ^^.
life64x said:
Q. 1. 318 is the latest 2.3.3 and the last 2.3.3. Since they upgraded to 2.3.4
Q.6. Don't worry about chain fire, unless you are a gamer. Regarding quadrant, it is crap. If you insist on going by it, take it with a grain off salt. Try other testing methods.
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Ah, I suppose I just read those posts wrong in that thread. I assumed that the 2.3.4 version started near revision 500. Definitely a bummer. I tried their latest 2.3.4 version just to see what it was like and it is much cleaner than the 2.3.3 rev 318 version. Guess I'll wait for an OC on 2.3.4 to go back to Synergy Sense.
As for "other testing methods" - what would you recommend? Anything in specific?
And what do you mean by "gamer." What would qualify as a "gamer" for HTC 3D? For example, I do play Legend of Zelda: Orcarina of Time on my phone ^^. It ran fine on RCMIX 2.2.3 and Rewind Shooter as long as I used SetCPU to 1728 max and 1080 min (or higher min, depending on if I had any problems). Haven't tried on my latest setup though.
Thanks again for your help!
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Try VirusROM. It's a pretty good little AOSP ROM with some of those CM7 features like changeable desktop size, drawer size, custom rosie/launcher, custom animations.
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I actually just flashed that yesterday night and am loving how much free RAM space I have. Currently have 305MB used and 497MB free. I love having extra space. I have a few problems with it, but nothing worth complaining over really. Stock Kernel that comes with it is probably best, right? Thanks for helping =-).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1224659&page=33
Use the dual core kernel less heat=save battery with performance increase by taking off the load on a single processor
Hello everyone! I just got my 16gb wifi model a few days ago. I'm from Canada. I think it's a very nice device, I love it, but have a few questions. First I noticed that the device seems to be a little laggy sometimes, specifically when you switch apps, or when in the browser or using the keyboard? Is there any way to make this better?
I have taken the habit of using the task manager to close unused apps, is this a good thing to do? I have the feeling that mine came with stuff that I don't really need/want. For exemple, There is a ^ in the bottom bar that I always tend to open by accident, this bar open another row of icon. Also there is a screenshot icon on the bar. Is this something to do with the TouchWiz? How much clog/more memory is the touch wiz using? Maybe without it I could gain some speed. I have removed all the widgets to make things better and I use a simple wallpaper.
I'm not into flashing for now, I'm not mentally ready, is there anything else I can do to improve speed and responsiveness?
Also, I have a blackberry and I am used to receive instant notifications for facebook. Is there an equivalent app for facebook for the tab?
Thanks.
First things first, Id root it. Its VERY easy. If you have issues with the Mass storage device not being seen my the PC, make sure usb debugging is off. Also, after you root it throw on Pershoots TW UX version of his kernel.
Then download set cpu and OC it to 1400. And if you want to put on a rom, put on task650s rom.
after that all lag is pretty much gone.
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First things first, Id root it. Its VERY easy. If you have issues with the Mass storage device not being seen my the PC, make sure usb debugging is off. Also, after you root it throw on Pershoots TW UX version of his kernel.
Then download set cpu and OC it to 1400. And if you want to put on a rom, put on task650s rom.
after that all lag is pretty much gone.
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Do you have a link to the best rooting instructions? Also a link to OC?
Sure most guys will tell you to search, but thats not me. I'll help you out bro, np
1) how to root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1239185
That is a video with a written tutorial too. That should do ya
2) OC'ing kernel
Pershoot is the one that made it. It also have a nice VooDoo integrated sound matrix ( or whatever ) and it sounds crazy good. To take advantage of it, flash his kernel and then market VooDoo and download that.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138167
If you have a touchwiz / WIFI rom/tablet.. Then you need to download the kernel off of his site that has TW / UX in the title of the link.
mroneeyedboh said:
First things first, Id root it. Its VERY easy. If you have issues with the Mass storage device not being seen my the PC, make sure usb debugging is off. Also, after you root it throw on Pershoots TW UX version of his kernel.
Then download set cpu and OC it to 1400. And if you want to put on a rom, put on task650s rom.
after that all lag is pretty much gone.
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I could not agree more with this, I just got done running benchmarks with just Task650's ROM, loading up the newest pershoot kernel now. Even with just the ROM lag is pretty much gone
Yeah Mann benchmarks don't mean much in terms of Android. But it's a good placebo for some
Sent from a miui powered HTC Evo.
Well, i admit that it is tempting to install a rom. I dont understand tho why it is necessary to clear up the slowness problem. Ppl at samsung need to work more to optimise their sh.t
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Well, i admit that it is tempting to install a rom. I dont understand tho why it is necessary to clear up the slowness problem. Ppl at samsung need to work more to optimise their sh.t
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Im not sure if I know what you mean... what do you mean on you dont understand why its is necessart to clear up the slowness problem? It is because there is soo much bloat and things misplaced. Its kinda crazy. but after you run an optimized ROM and the kernel at 1.4ghz.. its night a day..
Hie guys. I am new to SGT 10.1 and to this forum.
[Nice little introducing video btw].
I just reply to this thread not to open a new one and start asking questions over there
From what you guys discussed above, after rooting the device and OC it, the lags will go away. How much does OC it to 1.4 affect the battery life and heat? I searched and most people posted it doesn't heat up the tablet much. I guess it is the same to you guys?
If I have rooted my tab and OC it to 1.4. Let says something gone wrong with the hardware of my tab and I would like to exchange it, am I able to un-root it and de-clock to 1.0 before I return?
Cheers
Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
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or1onz said:
From what you guys discussed above, after rooting the device and OC it, the lags will go away. How much does OC it to 1.4 affect the battery life and heat? I searched and most people posted it doesn't heat up the tablet much. I guess it is the same to you guys?
If I have rooted my tab and OC it to 1.4. Let says something gone wrong with the hardware of my tab and I would like to exchange it, am I able to un-root it and de-clock to 1.0 before I return?
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The overclock with help with lags. But not all of the lags are based off of speed issues. Some are code related. But in the end, yes it will speed up nicely, and be more fluid.
The heat and battery isn't really an issue. But being that all of the dev'ing going on is all new. Its a wait and see thing. But in all respects, it should be just fine.
And I haven't looked into unrooting, but I'm almost 100% positive that it can be done.
Sent from a miui powered HTC Evo.
I actually have a question about OCing. I flashed the Starburst ROM on my tab, but no custom kernal. Is it still OK to download set CPU and crank it to 1.4ghz? (I've OCed computers 'til they cried, but never phones or tablets )
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, this is my first Android device. Anyway, is there or will there be a way to overclock the Nook Tablet?
Btw my Nook Tablet is rooted. Thanks in advance!
Not until they can install a custom kernel. Need to bypass the bootloader first.
Sent from my Gingervolt-ed VS910 4G using xda premium
yeah we still need the bootloader to be set free before overclocking becomes a reality.
thebz1 said:
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, this is my first Android device. Anyway, is there or will there be a way to overclock the Nook Tablet?
Btw my Nook Tablet is rooted. Thanks in advance!
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Have you tried to dl SetCPU or any other overclockers from the market?
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Have you tried to dl SetCPU or any other overclockers from the market?
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Not likely to work. The kernel still needs to support it. From SetCPU's description:
SetCPU also includes a "voltage control" menu, for use with certain devices with custom kernels that support it, to control undervolting to save even more battery. Keep in mind that undervolting is only available for certain kernels.
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Yes, I know it is referring to undervolting rather than overclocking (which requires *more* power, not less) but the concept is the same: if the kernel's power profile doesn't allow it, SetCPU (and other APKs) can't do it.
The only things I've seen SetCPU be able to do on the NT is to change the scaling/governor... oh and to see that the NT, though seemingly having 4 clock slots (300,600,800,1000), only uses the 800 and 1000 slots....
has anyone tried this to flash the new opptimize oc files for the tablet?
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/14511-opp...ficial-thread/
I ran into this link for oc on the droid bionic and following the link to the opptimize page there is support for the nook tablet overclock.
Maybe this is the wrong place to post this but I just curious to see if anyone's tried this yet to oc their tablet.
thebz1 said:
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, this is my first Android device. Anyway, is there or will there be a way to overclock the Nook Tablet?
Btw my Nook Tablet is rooted. Thanks in advance!
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The short answer is no you cannot. The clock speed is determined by the kernel which is packed into the boot.img, and cannot currently (by the gen user) be modified. There are ways of building kernel modules (which are supported by the current kernel) that can overclock the existing CPU.
Question for you though. The OMAP4430 has a clock speed of 1.2 dual core, Why faster?
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Question for you though. The OMAP4430 has a clock speed of 1.2 dual core, Why faster?
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My thought also. How fast do you want it? You stated this was your first Android device... What would lead you to believe that its slow? Seems fast enough to me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1449782
I believe the answer is yes. The tablet can be overclocked using this same method I used on my bionic. Its still in the testing phase but I took my dual core bionic from 1.0ghz to 1.3 and added 1200 points to my antutu benchmark score pushing it to a 6400. I found this method yesterday and after asking around on here if anyones tried it, I was hit with a few negative comments. Im just trying to help.
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Not until they can install a custom kernel. Need to bypass the bootloader first.
Sent from my Gingervolt-ed VS910 4G using xda premium
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My thought also. How fast do you want it? You stated this was your first Android device... What would lead you to believe that its slow? Seems fast enough to me.
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Lol and this may be kind of a dumb thing to post..... but to answer your question of how fast do u want it....... If it can fly I want it to! No pro athlete is satisfied with being normal, everyone including myself wants to be bigger faster and stronger. And I may only speak for myself, bit I want the same for my devices. This may be why I had a evo shift overclocked to 1.9ghz. But maybe that's just me.