OK So I've been told that the "Official ASUS Thread - Users with BT/WiFi Fallout Issues" is ONLY for BT + WiFi issues.
We need an official thread to address the weak WiFi issues! After tons of threads, posts, complaints and returns, will ASUS ever going to admit there IS an issue and have it fixed? I'm receiving my 3rd Prime this week. I'll continue returning until I get one that works.
***NOTE*** IF YOU THINK YOUR WIFI IS "FINE" PLEASE DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD. LET US USERS WITH WIFI ISSUES DISCUSS OUR PROBLEMS. THANKS!!!
I agree. Thanks for starting one.
My experience...I pre-ordered the TP as soon as it became available on BB.com. It came in on Jan 3rd. I returned it on Jan 14th. I noticed right away that the WiFi was weak. I checked other wifi devices in my house from the same distances and they were all fine. I downloaded a wifi analyzer app and checked the wifi signal and it was all over the place. It never got in the green and would drop the signal completely ever few minutes or so. So, I downloaded the same app onto my cell phone and the signal was fine. No drops and held steady in the green. All from the same spot in my house. Of course, in my game room right next to my router the signal would be fine.
I then paired my LG bluetooth headset and the signal got even worse. It would lose connection to my router all together.
I decided to return mine. I did alot of research on this problem and have seen ALOT of people with these same problems. But some people have said they have no wifi problems with some of the later serial numbers. So I decided to give it one more shot. I have one on order from BB and will post my experiences with it.
There probably isn't one because weak wifi is subjective to user opinion ans their personal network. So many different factors can influence network performance as no 2 networks are the same. Its alot more complicated to determine if someone truly has weak wifi or if its their network settings or if something else is interfering with signal that's unknown yet.
demandarin said:
There probably isn't one because weak wifi is subjective to user opinion ans their personal network. So many different factors can influence network performance as no 2 networks are the same. Its alot more complicated to determine if someone truly has weak wifi or if its their network settings or if something else is interfering with signal that's unknown yet.
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Well my Prime's WiFi is much weaker compared to two other tablets, Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer.
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Well my Prime's WiFi is much weaker compared to two other tablets, Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer.
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N my prime is on par or better than my Ipad or atrix. So its a wide range of performance that can be easily influenced by other things. Not saying yours doesn't have weak wifi, just making a point. I've extensively tested range n strength n speeds vs. My Ipad n Atrix 4g. Prime pulls fastest speeds of all 3. By a large margin also. Then for range they all about the same. As far as stability, my prime holds the signal very well. That's not to say others aren't experiencing this. Its just that a very controlled test has to be done to specifically pin point if prime in fact has weaker wifi performance. Or if its being caused by something else.
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There probably isn't one because weak wifi is subjective to user opinion ans their personal network. So many different factors can influence network performance as no 2 networks are the same. Its alot more complicated to determine if someone truly has weak wifi or if its their network settings or if something else is interfering with signal that's unknown yet.
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No complication here. Travel with a friend who has an iPad/Samsung/Etc tablet. Verify, like I did, that sometimes you are *not* able to use WiFi at airports, Hotels, Starbucks, etc, like your friend easily did with his tablet.
my wifi is weak. much weaker than galaxy tab 10.1 and original transformer. we need an official thread for this.
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No complication here. Travel with a friend who has an iPad/Samsung/Etc tablet. Verify, like I did, that sometimes you are *not* able to use WiFi at airports, Hotels, Starbucks, etc, like your friend easily did with his tablet.
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That's what I worry about. I've tweaked my router's channels and moved it closer to center of house, outside of a closet. All because of Prime's weak wifi compared to other tablets I have tested it against.
While I have good WiFi now inside my home because of the changes, I worry that when I travel I may get stuck.
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N my prime is on par or better than my Ipad or atrix. So its a wide range of performance that can be easily influenced by other things. Not saying yours doesn't have weak wifi, just making a point. I've extensively tested range n strength n speeds vs. My Ipad n Atrix 4g. Prime pulls fastest speeds of all 3. By a large margin also. Then for range they all about the same. As far as stability, my prime holds the signal very well. That's not to say others aren't experiencing this. Its just that a very controlled test has to be done to specifically pin point if prime in fact has weaker wifi performance. Or if its being caused by something else.
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Speed and signal strength at two completely separate things though. That spotted means nothing when you have no signal. Post screen shots of all three of your devices in the same spot with something that shows the strength of your wifi in dB.
The thing everyone is worried about is when they leave the ideal situation of their own home. This is why I am getting rid of my Acer a500. It constantly gets 25dB less signal strength when it actually gets a signal but when I go other places, I don't usually get signal unless I am close to the router.
So I was going to look at the Prime, but it appears it has the same problem. Most likely due to the aluminum back cover like my Acer.
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I think there has been enough post/articles on this site and many others to say that this is not a subjective issue. It may be an issue that is not affecting every TP made (I hope my next TP is one of those) but to those that have the problems it is a real wifi problem. I just hope Asus would finally admit to it and resolve it. I find it hard to believe that they don't know what the problem is yet. The guy on this site (the should I cut a hole in my TP thread) that took his TP apart found the antenna assy had a faulty PCB.
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There probably isn't one because weak wifi is subjective to user opinion ans their personal network. So many different factors can influence network performance as no 2 networks are the same. Its alot more complicated to determine if someone truly has weak wifi or if its their network settings or if something else is interfering with signal that's unknown yet.
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Weak WiFi is no more subjective than anything else if you're using proper measurement tools. "Bars" mean nothing, and I won't quote "bars" as any evidence. However, tools like Wifi Analyzer and Speedtest.net give objective, comparable numbers. I understand that a number of factors effect WiFi but that's the point -- a weak WiFi will have more problems accommodating these factors. It's not sufficient to say "you're not in the optimal environment" when that environment cannot be controlled outside of one's own house or (sometimes) place of business.
With that introduction....
I'm on my second Prime, and I can verify that WiFi PERFORMANCE has been generally lower on both Primes than my HTC Incredible and my HP laptop. At my house, D-Link 802.11G Channel 6, the phone is usually about 15 to 20% faster on Speedtest.net, and with the laptop it can be 40% faster. Additionally, as many other users report, at further distances from the router the dropoff on the Primes becomes substantial. In the farthest room of my house from the router (one floor down, two rooms away) my phone can pull 3000-4000k on Speedtest and my laptop pulls 7000k+, yet both Primes CONSISTENTLY drop to 1000k or below.
I tested at my brother-in-law's house yesterday during the Super Bowl to see how it would behave on a different network. Linksys router, 802.11G on Channel 11, my phone consistently got 5500-6500k down and my Prime never got above 2500. I was one floor down, one room over from the router.
Oddly, on WiFi Analyzer my Prime gets almost the exact same signal strength as my phone in all environments. That's the only hope I have that this could be a software issue and be fixable with a new firmware.
Again, I understand variance in network environments, but I think it's clear that for a significant number of users in varied environments, the WiFi on the Prime is delivering lower performance than other devices in similar conditions.
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Speed and signal strength at two completely separate things though. That spotted means nothing when you have no signal. Post screen shots of all three of your devices in the same spot with something that shows the strength of your wifi in dB.
The thing everyone is worried about is when they leave the ideal situation of their own home. This is why I am getting rid of my Acer a500. It constantly gets 25dB less signal strength when it actually gets a signal but when I go other places, I don't usually get signal unless I am close to the router.
So I was going to look at the Prime, but it appears it has the same problem. Most likely due to the aluminum back cover like my Acer.
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I have found that signal strength is comparable on my Prime to that of other tablets. (I just checked it again.) But at distances from my router, the Prime gets slower download speeds than the other tablets I've tested it against.
Wifi on my Prime is definitely far worse than on any other device I own.
At home, it actually works perfect, regardless of where I am in the house.
At work it is a whole different ball game. I drop my connection every few minutes, can't connect, etc. I have two different usable wireless networks and my own 4g wireless hotspot.
I can not stay connected to any of them. I assume it is due to the amount of interference floating mixed with the construction of the prime and its firmware.
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I have found that signal strength is comparable on my Prime to that of other tablets. (I just checked it again.) But at distances from my router, the Prime gets slower download speeds than the other tablets I've tested it against.
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You have other tablets in your home that you are comparing it to? When I compare my Acer a500 to my HTC Rezound (phone), my phone gets around -40dB signal strength and the tablet gets -65dB if I am lucky and that is sitting within 15 feet with direct line of sight to my Access Point (that I actually set up because the tablet was so crappy at getting a signal from my primary router).
My house is a pretty open ranch that is only 1450 square feet, so it is not like it is a huge house either (and it is all one floor).
EDIT: Wait a minute, what are you smoking? You have your own thread in this same forum complaining about your Prime being worse than your other two tablets and then you tell me it is comparable????
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EDIT: Wait a minute, what are you smoking? You have your own thread in this same forum complaining about your Prime being worse than your other two tablets and then you tell me it is comparable????
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I understood his post as saying that signal strength is comparable to other devices, but data throughput is lower. This would be consistent with what I've seen on both the Primes I've used.
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You have other tablets in your home that you are comparing it to? When I compare my Acer a500 to my HTC Rezound (phone), my phone gets around -40dB signal strength and the tablet gets -65dB if I am lucky and that is sitting within 15 feet with direct line of sight to my Access Point (that I actually set up because the tablet was so crappy at getting a signal from my primary router).
My house is a pretty open ranch that is only 1450 square feet, so it is not like it is a huge house either (and it is all one floor).
EDIT: Wait a minute, what are you smoking? You have your own thread in this same forum complaining about your Prime being worse than your other two tablets and then you tell me it is comparable????
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I said the WiFi Analyzer SIGNAL STRENGTH is comparable. The Prime's download speed are weak compared to other tablets, especially the Galaxy10.1.
Someone else reported the same thing, comparable WiFi signal strength, but slower Prime WiFi downloads.
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I understood his post as saying that signal strength is comparable to other devices, but data throughput is lower. This would be consistent with what I've seen on both the Primes I've used.
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Look at his thread, "Time to "Downgrade" to TF101?". He clearly states that the signal is weak (and much weaker than the Samsung).
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I said the WiFi Analyzer SIGNAL STRENGTH is comparable. The Prime's download speed are weak compared to other tablets, especially the Galaxy10.1.
Someone else reported the same thing, comparable WiFi signal strength, but slower Prime WiFi downloads.
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Very poor choice of words if that is indeed the case. Weak is the opposite of Strong, you should have said slower if you purely meant the speed. Anyway, post a screenshot of your tablets with wifi analyzer up and in the same spot. I am curious....
I am actually thinking of getting the TF101 as well FWIW.
Ok, this is my first day on this forum. I've been on Transformerforums.com since the Prime launch and I've participated in a number of discussions over there but I decided to participate over here because it looked like the technical quality of the discussions was a little deeper and more informative. Attacking another single user for his choice of words in describing a problem is not helpful and does not forward the discussion of the issue. I think we understood what he was saying and I agree with him. Let's keep this on topic and actually discuss the Prime, not someone language semantics.
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Ok, this is my first day on this forum. I've been on Transformerforums.com since the Prime launch and I've participated in a number of discussions over there but I decided to participate over here because it looked like the technical quality of the discussions was a little deeper and more informative. Attacking another single user for his choice of words in describing a problem is not helpful and does not forward the discussion of the issue. I think we understood what he was saying and I agree with him. Let's keep this on topic and actually discuss the Prime, not someone language semantics.
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I am not attacking by any means and I obviously did not understand what he was saying otherwise I would have not brought it up. I am an engineer so maybe I am more analytical than most so when I read weak, I associate that with strength not speed.
I would still like to see a screen shot of the comparison between other devices. It seems like there are tons of complaints about the signal strength (reported by wifi analyzer) is much lower for the Prime compared to other tablets and that is the issue I am having now with my Acer so I don't want to get in to that situation again.
Too often, people will try and "justify" their purchases when there really is an issue with the product. There has to be a reason the Prime is rated lower than the original transformer when on a spec sheet the Prime blows the original away.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479664
second post under mod section you'll see tons of testing and modding that should help you understand some of our issues
Now that I've had some more time to test it out, I've found that my WiFi is indeed pretty flawed.
First day, reached decent distances with decent signal. Today, three days after, I seem to get worse results.
This seems to go along with the idea that the pogopins aren't quite making a proper connection with the antenna. However, I do also see degradation in signal strength when changing whether my Prime faces the AP or away. So this goes along with the idea that the backplate is interfering.
I personally believe it's both, plus a third and maybe more issues.
Only time will tell, as I don't see ASUS doing so. We are the beta testers, and I believe we'll generally be the repairmen.
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You will need another tablet, laptop, or smartphone with wifi to do this test I have done the test with two primes on 4 different routers all with the same result the primes drop/lose the WiFi signal to all the routers 5-15 ft before other WiFi devices.
To do the test simply keep walking your non prime WiFi device away from your router until you find it drops the signal you may need to keep refreshing available Wifi networks when it drops off this is the deadspot then find the area where your other WiFi devices will connect but with only 1 signal strength once you find this spot see if the Prime will pickup the WiFi network in this same spot I have not been able to on 4 different routers the range is always weaker with the Prime.
Dude, do you think we don't got enough topics about this?
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Dude, do you think we don't got enough topics about this?
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Actually no there is no poll for this only the GPS it would be nice to know if some Primes might have a different WiFi adapter.
For the people saying their Primes WiFi is just as good please list the model # of your routers.
I've done a similar test. after reading wifi issues I made sure to test mines. my prime wifi range is on par or even better in some instances than my Ipad 1. you have to remember also that router/network settings might be affecting Prime. they was a guy in another thread that his prime was getting slower speeds than his PC and phone. he eliminated the problem down to his router. his router was dual broadcasting with one being the 5Ghz channel that prime doesn't support. sometimes this messes with primes reception or whatever or download/upload speeds. so he cut off the 5ghz channel. now his Prime consistently gets same download speeds and range as his other devices. also wifi strength fluctuates no matter what device. there was times where my prime pulled alot faster download speeds than my Ipad.
I think this is a good test though to test reception strength. if other devices are android, you could easily just use wifi analyzer app to see n hear the strength of signal. remember though, eliminate all variables before just blaming the product. because network/router settings can have major impact on wifi performance.
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I've done a similar test. after reading wifi issues I made sure to test mines. my prime wifi range is on par or even better in some instances than my Ipad 1. you have to remember also that router/network settings might be affecting Prime. they was a guy in another thread that his prime was getting slower speeds than his PC and phone. he eliminated the problem down to his router. his router was dual broadcasting with one being the 5Ghz channel that prime doesn't support. sometimes this messes with primes reception or whatever or download/upload speeds. so he cut off the 5ghz channel. now his Prime consistently gets same download speeds and range as his other devices. also wifi strength fluctuates no matter what device. there was times where my prime pulled alot faster download speeds than my Ipad.
I think this is a good test though to test reception strength. if other devices are android, you could easily just use wifi analyzer app to see n hear the strength of signal. remember though, eliminate all variables before just blaming the product. because network/router settings can have major impact on wifi performance.
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apps are great but nothing is more accurate then simple real world tests of where the WiFi signal totally drops out with another WiFi device then seeing if te Prime hits the same range. As far as variables and different routers etc I agree with you but my tests on 4 different routers have showed conclusively that my Primes WiFi range falls short of 5 different WiFi devices I tested (2 smartphones, 2 laptops, and a smartphone).
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apps are great but nothing is more accurate then simple real world tests of where the WiFi signal totally drops out with another WiFi device then seeing if te Prime hits the same range. As far as variables and different routers etc I agree with you but my tests on 4 different routers have showed conclusively that my Primes WiFi range falls short of 5 different WiFi devices I tested (2 smartphones, 2 laptops, and a smartphone).
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while this may prove true for your situation, your poll shows a far greater margin of people having NO wifi issues. in case you haven't noticed..lol
demandarin said:
while this may prove true for your situation, your poll shows a far greater margin of people having NO wifi issues. in case you haven't noticed..lol
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Id also be willing to bet my paycheck they didnt do the test properly if at all. People who are just voting based on the fact that they can connect to their WiFi network in their home with no problem and while the WiFi issue is not a very big deal because its only 10 ft or so range difference it still shows the aluminum backing is probably the reason for the slightly weaker WiFi signal not because ASUS found a problem with a perticular WiFi adapter and started putting different WiFi adapters in the Primes.
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Id also be willing to bet my paycheck they didnt do the test properly if at all. People who are just voting based on the fact that they can connect to their WiFi network in their home with no problem and while the WiFi issue is not a very big deal because its only 10 ft or so range difference it still shows the aluminum backing is probably the reason for the slightly weaker WiFi signal not because ASUS found a problem with a perticular WiFi adapter and started putting different WiFi adapters in the Primes.
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why is it always when something negative about the prime, people think they 100% correct or something? but as soon as we counter with the positives, its like oh No, we nor doing it right or testing it right. lmao. that's funny
I still think this a good real world test. its definitely going in favor of prime not having a wifi issue now
Shut up you made a poll people voted that it works you got a faulty device exchange it thread closed
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why is it always when something negative about the prime, people think they 100% correct or something? but as soon as we counter with the positives, its like oh No, we nor doing it right or testing it right. lmao. that's funny
I still think this a good real world test. its definitely going in favor of prime not having a wifi issue now
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Damn noobs on this forum do nothing but troll
tylermaciaszek said:
Shut up you made a poll people voted that it works you got a faulty device exchange it thread closed
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Damn noobs on this forum do nothing but troll
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Same for you. You're the one who is aggressive when someone says something about the Prime.
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Shut up you made a poll people voted that it works you got a faulty device exchange it thread closed
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I dont think you even bothered to read or understand what I am saying so I will rephrase it. The Prime does not have a WiFi problem it simply has a slightly lower range then other WiFi devices again this is not a concern people should be worried about stop getting your panties in a bunch.
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Same for you. You're the one who is aggressive when someone says something about the Prime.
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I'm not aggressive I'm just suck of these new people making the same threads and fighting about issues we already solved or know or unsolvable
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I dont think you even bothered to read or understand what I am saying so I will rephrase it. The Prime does not have a WiFi problem it simply has a slightly lower range then other WiFi devices again this is not a concern people should be worried about stop getting your panties in a bunch.
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I understood just fine what you were saying but others don't seem to have this problem now do they? and we have multiple wifi threads open this thread is useless
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I'm not aggressive I'm just suck of these new people making the same threads and fighting about issues we already solved or know or unsolvable
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I understood just fine what you were saying but others don't seem to have this problem now do they? and we have multiple wifi threads open this thread is useless
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care to provide a link to the thread that discusses specifically the WiFi RANGE of the Prime because I cant find it I think you just get butt hurt when you think someone is saying anything negative at all about the Prime.
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5-15 ft before other WiFi devices.
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Oh. My. God. Im so glad someone found this out before I ordered mine. That 5 to 15 feet is the difference of it working at my apartment complex pool. well, not the whole pool. It'll work at the chairs on the north end, but they get crappy sunlight after 3pm which is when I like to get my tanning in. if I cant get wifi at the north chairs, and only at the south chairs, im afraid this thing is just not worth the metal its made out of....
#FirstWorldProblems
p.s. this was almost entirely sarcasm.
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Oh. My. God. Im so glad someone found this out before I ordered mine. That 5 to 15 feet is the difference of it working at my apartment complex pool. well, not the whole pool. It'll work at the chairs on the north end, but they get crappy sunlight after 3pm which is when I like to get my tanning in. if I cant get wifi at the north chairs, and only at the south chairs, im afraid this thing is just not worth the metal its made out of....
#FirstWorldProblems
p.s. this was almost entirely sarcasm.
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You would be surprised how big of a deal this could actually be to some people it could be the difference between being able to use your tablet in your kitchen to being able to lay in your bed and use it obviously every situation is different but it would be very possible..... Luckily though they make things called range extenders and or repeaters that can be setup to repeat the WiFi signal to cover any deadspots you might have in your house..... I personally recommend the EnGenious range extender that can be found on Newegg for $40 if anyone is interested
I tested again today at a public WiFi hotspot from my car I think this confirms the backing is the reason the GPS doesnt work properly.
Well, my TF101 is really poor at getting signal from my router, much worse than any other WiFi device I have. f TF201 has even worse WiFi I'm glad I haven't bought it.
This sucks. I want to keep this tablet. I really do. They're just making it so hard to justify it. The GPS issue stinks, but I really don't care about GPS on a tablet, so I'm fine with that. The WIFI, on the other hand, is very important. I was in denial that there was really an issue with it, as general browsing in my small apartment is fine, but I got around to doing some tests today, and I am not pleased.
Using the speedtest.net app, I consistently get about 15-20 Mbps on my iPad1, 8-15 Mbps on my Galaxy Nexus, and about 3-5 Mbps on my Transformer Prime. Yuck.
In addition to that, I tested by transferring a large file over my home network from my PC to my devices using FTP, and it peaked at about 4 Mbps on the Transformer Prime and hit 8 Mbps on my Galaxy Nexus. YUCK.
I'm going to try and get to a buddy's house today to do some distance tests, and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be pleased with the results.
I really do love everything else about this tablet, but this just really sucks. What good is a tablet with crappy wifi?
With the dock would android support any USB Wi-Fi adapters? just curious
There've been a fair number of positive results with the Vulcan Nerve Pinch, so this is to quantify the findings.
I can't edit the poll, but please take "permanent" to mean 2 days of regular use. So if a single application works for at least 2 days, then vote this, else vote temporary. If improvement didn't last for 2 days, then indicate how long it did last.
Detail of the issue and of the Vulcan Pinch:
The Prime's three antennas use pressure contacts (pogo pins) that can be marginal, causing weak wifi and/or weak or no GPS. Pressing/pinching on the three locations, or along the Prime's top edge (landscape), can improve reception in many cases. Per the poll so far, about 25%.
See pics in below link to find locations of the antenna contacts,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21847680&postcount=52
Well I just did it about 3 hours ago, so I don't know how "permanent" it is yet.
But, so far so good.
You're holding it wrong
unfortunately, no. my gps still doesn't see jack and wifi still slows to a crawl when there are walls between prime and the router.
Well what do you know, they named a Fix after me.
To what I understood there were two different kind of problems for GPS :
1) Some people had no GPS satellites detections at all.
2) other people had satellites detections with locks but at a low reception level.
I guess this fix is only working for the case number 1. In that case, people are now joining the case number 2.
For people who were already getting a few satellites (case number 2), it will change nothing as the back cover is still the same ...
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Well what do you know, they named a Fix after me.
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Ah the perks of having a username of PaulVulcan.
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For people who were already getting a few satellites (case number 2), it will change nothing as the back cover is still the same ...
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Except maybe make it worse.
I got a gain of 10db on the WiFi, no change to the GPS.
Did not vote.
My Wifi and GPS work fine. I picked up my Prime on Friday from Best Buy. It's the C1 serial number.
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I pickede mine up Saturday from BB (Orlando) and B1 Series with no functional GPS but amazing Wifi. I have even went a little father to beat it againest the steering wheel and see if i could "jar" something to work a little better. With no luck GPS has not improved. Wifi reception is just as good as all my other devices. Does not fall of as quick as some of recorded.
The sad results of this pole show how many of us are willing to squeeze a $500+ tablet.
What is the Vulcan Nerve Pinch?
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What is the Vulcan Nerve Pinch?
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Pinching didn't help. My GPS was fine until the last update. I ran GPS test before and after the update since the update was to fix GPS. I wanted to see the improvement, but I only got to see how it made my GPS completely unfuctionable. The same exact thing happened to my Dad's Prime. I sure wish Asus would get their **** together.
I tried the vulcan pinch a few days ago but did not affect GPS. I even drove block to block to see if google maps updated my location but no go. I dont think it affected my wifi either but I think my wifi was good to begin with and had thought it was bad as I was basing it on the signal bars.
Got a c1 model from BB last saturday. After ics update and vulcan pinch, Gps Went from zero sat to 11 views with 8 locks indoor. Unfortunately, view/locks are intermitents. WIFI didnt improved and is quite slow but stable. I noticed that i cant switch on/off the gps device from anywhere in the settings since the ics update, but it was still available before the update.(?)
Got my squeezer from Best Buy (serial BC). Wi-fi working fine, 4g LTE is sweet. Gps works only outside, but locks in and out with movement, bad. All the pinching for not. Dock works great. I will keep returning trying different units until Best Buy bars me.
BC model from Comet (UK) wifi works fine but had no GPS signal prior/after ICS update. After the big squeeze the GPS is now working indoors, albeit with weak signals (best result I had was 11 Satellites / 7-9 locks - range of 15-31 SNR). On the road it managed 5-7 satellites with locks dropping in and out.
I'm going to hold off on answering because although I have wifi analyzer and gps test pre and post Squeeze that shows it improved......I also have the similar results from 3 weeks ago or so when my gps and wifi were "fine" and then they went "bad".
So something changed for me even before the Squeeze (no, I didn't drop it ) So I'm hesitant to say if mine has been "fixed" temporarily or more. I think that IF this connection is the culprit then we all might find that our reception might be hit or miss over time. Hell, all I did was reboot a few days ago and I got a lock on a few satellites v. none prior to rebooting.
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It still doesn't say how it applies in our device.
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It still doesn't say how it applies in our device.
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It's just the original technique that is applied to the Prime, that's all this Vulcan Nerve Pinch is.
Why did you buy a tablet without 3g that has a large emphasis on gaming and runs on android?
In order to properly use this in the feild or at a job, you'd probably need a 4g hotspot anyway, and as far as I understand aGPS works fine on the tf prime.
I am trying to envision a situation where an important business man on xda-developers needs his gps always but not internet access. Surely he wouldn't need it for driving to the office every morning.
The only job I can think of is a pizza delivery driver. And even then a delivery driver should know how to navigate in his area, perhaps not street numbers, but not usually a huge deal that you need to whip out the gps for.
So is xda full of angry dominos employees? The best plan in my opinion is to buy a clearwire 4g hotspot or something similar if you have a job that demands it. It's cheaper than a data plan would be on at&t or verizon, you get better battery, you get higher speeds, and its makes your tablet more useful. Even with the 3g/LTE transformer coming this year, 3g is very slow, and LTE is usually very expensive and battery demanding. A 4g hotspot would still be the best option, not just for your transformer - but ALL your devices.
I see your point but its a funny post. you might of opened a can of worms here..lol. you might want to re-word what you wrote. expect some harsh responses to come with several reasons to add to your pizza delivery scenario.
You're funny.
Search and Rescue, hasty search. Large screen, viewable outdoors, cached maps and/or tethered to phone and a battery that lasts all day. iPad worked, but was really hard to see in daylight.
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ickkii said:
Why did you buy a tablet without 3g that has a large emphasis on gaming and runs on android?
In order to properly use this in the feild or at a job, you'd probably need a 4g hotspot anyway, and as far as I understand aGPS works fine on the tf prime.
I am trying to envision a situation where an important business man on xda-developers needs his gps always but not internet access. Surely he wouldn't need it for driving to the office every morning.
The only job I can think of is a pizza delivery driver. And even then a delivery driver should know how to navigate in his area, perhaps not street numbers, but not usually a huge deal that you need to whip out the gps for.
So is xda full of angry dominos employees? The best plan in my opinion is to buy a clearwire 4g hotspot or something similar if you have a job that demands it. It's cheaper than a data plan would be on at&t or verizon, you get better battery, you get higher speeds, and its makes your tablet more useful. Even with the 3g/LTE transformer coming this year, 3g is very slow, and LTE is usually very expensive and battery demanding. A 4g hotspot would still be the best option, not just for your transformer - but ALL your devices.
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Let me know when you find someone who has very well working aGPS Prime. Because, as far as I know.. those who are tethering smartphone to PRIME is using Bluetooth GPS... which means, they are using the GPS from their smartphone.. not the PRIME.
Don't even feel like describing GPS, aGPS, & GEO-Location.....
And you probably want to delete/edit out the rest of your statement...
Just do the beer can gps fix! I'm sure they all drink on their business trips
I'm on my third Prime. GPS on this one works untethered. And here's another:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1524089
@OP: Haters gonna hate. Thats the way it is People always find something to nag about. Thats human nature so to speak
Even I'm getting tired of the "debate"... And GPS was a deciding factor for me originally.
This is all I have to say to those who say GPS functions at all in the Prime like it should (I realize some are exceptions... but I don't think the majority of people are doing so well)...
Please take notice the Prime has WiFi on, and the phone is in freaking Airplane mode!
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So unless I want my geo-tagging to be 36 - 138 feet off, it does not even work for location!
And I've had my Prime apart, with an external antenna I get 16-18 birds in view with 15 in use.
I'll mod, but damn do I empathize with all those who just want to buy a device and the damn thing work like it was advertised to.
The reason I want fully functioning GPS is because, when I purchased mine, it said "GPS" ! Nowhere did it mention "So-So GPS" , "Limited GPS" or "Craptacular GPS" but, "GPS" !
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Even I'm getting tired of the "debate"... And GPS was a deciding factor for me originally.
This is all I have to say to those who say GPS functions at all in the Prime like it should (I realize some are exceptions... but I don't think the majority of people are doing so well)...
Please take notice the Prime has WiFi on, and the phone is in freaking Airplane mode!
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Lol
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buxtahuda said:
Even I'm getting tired of the "debate"... And GPS was a deciding factor for me originally.
This is all I have to say to those who say GPS functions at all in the Prime like it should (I realize some are exceptions... but I don't think the majority of people are doing so well)...
Please take notice the Prime has WiFi on, and the phone is in freaking Airplane mode!
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So what did you prove, besides the fact that you have no idea how GPS works ?
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So what did you prove, besides the fact that you have no idea how GPS works ?
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Do enlighten me, oh great wizard :bow:
I know that with data on, the Prime's aGPS should fly fine. And doesn't.
And I know that with it off (I don't think my phone is aGPS, is it? -*EDIT: it is, but has standalone capabilities) on my phone, it still flies...
But really, sarcasm aside, please beat the understanding into my hard ass skull!
Since when did this become a businessmen thing? Pretty sure the Prime's target audience were not businessmen.
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Do enlighten me, oh great wizard :bow:
I know that with data on, the Prime's aGPS should fly fine. And doesn't.
And I know that with it off (I don't think my phone is aGPS, is it? -*EDIT: it is, but has standalone capabilities) on my phone, it still flies...
But really, sarcasm aside, please beat the understanding into my hard ass skull!
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I took your post to read that the ATP GPS reception signal strength would be affected by having your WiFi turned on. The 'WiFi' portion of
(a)ssisted GPS simply tells the GPS processor which satellites should be overhead in the 'general' area location determined by WiFi location. After that point the GPS is completely on it's own to determine which satellites it should be paying attention too (via info in the GPS signal stream). If there is no WiFi to (a)ssist the GPS processor, it finds out which satellites are overhead and keeps track of the ever-changing 12 satellites that it could possibly 'see'... all by itself-as does every other GPS does without the benefit of WiFi assistance. The 'WiFi' part of the equation simply speeds the initial acquisition of satellite signal. You can repeat your test on your ATP with WiFi turned off (test from ATP being completely powered off)...other than the ATP taking longer to acquire satellite signals, you'll find no difference in signal strength--your test may have different signal strengths due to different weather, different satellites, and different satellite locations--all of which are BIG variables in the level of signal reception.
Why Asus decided that a 'fix' to the ATP's GPS issues was to tie WiFi engagement to the GPS being activated was not a 'fix' in the least.
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Wifi 'assist' gives the GPS 'coarse' location info at beginning of signal acquisition.
Never set the sarcasm aside; we all need more!
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I took your post to read that the ATP GPS reception signal strength would be affected by having your WiFi turned on. The 'WiFi' portion of
(a)ssisted GPS simply tells the GPS processor which satellites should be overhead in the 'general' area location determined by WiFi location. After that point the GPS is completely on it's own to determine which satellites it should be paying attention too (via info in the GPS signal stream). If there is no WiFi to (a)ssist the GPS processor, it finds out which satellites are overhead and keeps track of the ever-changing 12 satellites that it could possibly 'see'... all by itself-as does every other GPS does without the benefit of WiFi assistance. The 'WiFi' part of the equation simply speeds the initial acquisition of satellite signal. You can repeat your test on your ATP with WiFi turned off (test from ATP being completely powered off)...other than the ATP taking longer to acquire satellite signals, you'll find no difference in signal strength--your test may have different signal strengths due to different weather, different satellites, and different satellite locations--all of which are BIG variables in the level of signal reception.
Why Asus decided that a 'fix' to the ATP's GPS issues was to tie WiFi engagement to the GPS being activated was not a 'fix' in the least.
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Wifi 'assist' gives the GPS 'coarse' location info at beginning of signal acquisition.
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Huh? In the end.. all you did was... "yes buxtahuda, Prime's GPS sucks... "
And basically went over.. you can't have aGPS without GPS to begin with...
Yeah, lol.
I guess let me expand.
The phone locked on in airplane mode in two seconds. I could see 2 satellites under a metal roof.
Same day as the phone, just a bit after. This took three minutes... This does not change too much with WiFi on, cuts it down a bit above half.
On a side note, not only did .15 introduce my first random reboot. It is now giving me my very first graphical glitches on the OS level.. How lovely
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Huh? In the end.. all you did was... "yes buxtahuda, Prime's GPS sucks... "
And basically went over.. you can't have aGPS without GPS to begin with...
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Actually ATP has one of the newest GPS reception chips out there, has both US and Russian GPS satellite reception, and reading through Erusmans (sp?) modifications, proves that with a decent antenna design the thing does VERY well. And my point was valid that WiFi on or off GPS signal strength is the same--Buxtahuda said that his ATP prime with WiFi on was weaker in comparison to his phone with WiFi off (airplane mode)--my point was there was no meaning in the WiFi component. There are different forms of what is referred to as aGPS... more marketing malarky, but yes, in marketing terms, you can have aGPS without GPS--as Asus proved, if it isn't marketed as a device with GPS, there is no problem with that functionality being completely neutered by having a beautiful back cover plate.
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The reason I want fully functioning GPS is because, when I purchased mine, it said "GPS" ! Nowhere did it mention "So-So GPS" , "Limited GPS" or "Craptacular GPS" but, "GPS" !
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I simply don't understand that argument.
It almost sounds like (and I am probably wrong here) but you really have an issue with the poor GPS even though its something you'd never use on your Prime.
I have poor GPS. I couldn't care less if the box it came in had "world's best GPS device" in huge letters. I neither want, need or care for GPS on a tablet.
But perhaps you do need GPS for some reason - business navigation maybe? Do you not have GPS and navigation on your phone or tomtom?
Oh and technically nowhere did it ever say "fully functioning GPS". It states GPS, and that's what its got. But I'm just being picky.
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I simply don't understand that argument.
It almost sounds like (and I am probably wrong here) but you really have an issue with the poor GPS even though its something you'd never use on your Prime.
I have poor GPS. I couldn't care less if the box it came in had "world's best GPS device" in huge letters. I neither want, need or care for GPS on a tablet.
But perhaps you do need GPS for some reason - business navigation maybe? Do you not have GPS and navigation on your phone or tomtom?
Oh and technically nowhere did it ever say "fully functioning GPS". It states GPS, and that's what its got. But I'm just being picky.
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No, IMO you're being kind of a callous douche (pardon me).
That doesn't make everything OK, just because you're OK and can rationalize away full functionality.
I've stated it before, there's kind of an expected function for all these. That is, even though mileage will most definitely vary, any Android device I pick up should act relatively the same. If one says GPS and can locate and navigate, and then many others also do it and list the spec similarly, then why should this one be allowed to perform so far below par. I mean, on the best day location still thinks I'm somewhere I'm not, and I don't even bother with navigation because the few locks will quickly vanish.
Don't say you have a new TV and then show me a 50" CRT that takes up a cubic meter.
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Hey.
I just got myself a 201 yesterday and I already experienced some problems with my wifi.
I have a 3700 from NEtgear, so dual band wifi 2.4 and 5Ghz.
From the prime I can only see the 2.4 network... And even so, the wifi connectivity seems unstable. I often have to refresh stuff in browser or applications cause the connection dropped.
This is quite annoying. I'm fairly confident my network is working correctly cause I am using other device with it , among them, a galaxy tab and with those devices, I do not encounter such problems.
FYI I have the .21 firm already.
Prime only does 2.4ghz and there's been a big known issue with wifi. Don't be surprise when of your gps is also crap. Also try going through this section ( general) for all known issues a possibe fixes.
Honnetly i tried to browse the forum but there are so many information , and those even differ depending on the firm, it's not easy to get a clear pic.
What is the main pb with Wifi ?
Oh and I didn't know the wifi on the prime was limited to 2.4 band... That's odd.
Well i need to learn how to read the specifics
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Honnetly i tried to browse the forum but there are so many information , and those even differ depending on the firm, it's not easy to get a clear pic.
What is the main pb with Wifi ?
Oh and I didn't know the wifi on the prime was limited to 2.4 band... That's odd.
Well i need to learn how to read the specifics
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Honestly the 2.4 has better range than 5 anyway. Unless you are doing wifi file transfers it won't matter, but even at that it won't matter because with a cord it still takes a while for the memory to write. Basically you would gain NOTHING by using wifi because the memory writes slow. That being said the problem with the wifi dropping seems to have been mostly fixed with fw updates. Weak signal is thought to be due to the metallic back plate blocking the antenna from receiving a strong signal (same with gps). Other issue that could be affecting wifi is if you are streaming to bluetooth (ie headphones or file transfer) at the same time as using wifi which is a known issue as well.
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Honnetly i tried to browse the forum but there are so many information , and those even differ depending on the firm, it's not easy to get a clear pic.
What is the main pb with Wifi ?
Oh and I didn't know the wifi on the prime was limited to 2.4 band... That's odd.
Well i need to learn how to read the specifics
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Not really odd, its the norm and most tablets have only 2.4Ghz. As stated the 2.4Ghz has more range than the 5Ghz and will more readily transmit through walls. Yes 5Ghz has a higher data transfer rate but for the most part the 2.4Ghz transfer rates far exceed any current internet connection available. The only time it would be benificial is doing file transfers over wifi but then again the connection would be faster than the read write speeds. I find I get a better transfer rate over 2.4Ghz wifi than I do over USB but still dont use that often. Most of my mdeia resides on either the MicroSd or Sd card in the dock and I load data on those cards via my laptop with a USB3.0 reader which blows any other method out of the water by a long shot!
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Prime only does 2.4ghz and there's been a big known issue with wifi. Don't be surprise when of your gps is also crap. Also try going through this section ( general) for all known issues a possibe fixes.
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True, my ATP has serious wifi throughput/range issues on the latest firmware.
Hey guys,
tried to search if any other problems like this exist...
My WiFi seems to be disconnecting often... Meaning it still shows as connected, but it wont load internet pages or download anything / stop at some time downloading.
Now i tried to look at my WiFi with WiFi analyzer... at it seems that I am on the best channel for my area... but still... I also tried 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz same results it seems...
I am not happy with it... it seems so unstable, that even at home often i use 3G just because it doesn't crash that much... if the WiFi works i get great speeds though... but it seems like a hit and miss....
any idea?
You may ha e.faulty connectors as that is the problem w some of the one xs also go to WiFi settings switch it from auto to 2.5 GHz idk if 5ghz works well or not
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Did.... And it didn't change.... Any other thoughts??
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Suspect an issue on the router's end...
I have the same frikken problem. Drives me crazy. Ill be rolling thru XDA or whatever, and suddenly my phone disconnects wifi and switches back to 3G. Then maybe a second later reconnect to wifi. I have no explanation for it. I have an HTC rep calling me today. Ill let you know what he says, but I wouldn't hold your breath LOL. I know man it sucks.
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Make sure your routers firmware is up to date
I have theexact same problem. Let me know if you find a fix, I'm on the verge of returning it.
Actually it didn't seem to be so persistent, anymore.... And I did update the firmware of the router.... If that really helped.... I do t know....?
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I just updated the firmware on my router as well. Well check back after a couple days but so far so good
Wi-Fi not the greatest for me either. Running a WRT54GL which is one of the most rock solid routers ever with Tomato never have issues with it on my 3D or any other devices. Having similar issues you are having. Sometimes just not staying connected even though it shows connected. Other times no wi-fi on when I wake the phone. I'm guessing it's bugs other people have reported similar problems. Going to see how it performs after the next OTA update I'm hoping they fix some stuff. Also I hope they fix the very annoying set time zone message. Not sure what caues that but you are certainly not alone with the wi-fi issues.
I currently have mine set to 2.4Ghz only not auto since I don't use N for my phone there is no need for it and it sucks more battery at least it did on my 3D.
I would just hang tight and see what the next OTA brings.
This is disturbing. There seems to be a great deal of variation in build quality (i.e. Wifi issues, screen light bleed, data issues, etc.). I have had none of these issues with my phone. However, multitasking is a joke, and google wallet is broken after working previously. My phone is none stock at this point.
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answer is here, either last post on page one or two,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671744
Regarding to multitasking.. It is ridiculous.... Yesterday I used navigation and every time I check something in another windows and come back my navigation is GONE! that's bad!!
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I added a post to another thread - in my case, I found a definite correlation between wifi drop and phone temperature.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29220238&postcount=28
Posting it here as well in case someone remembers how hot their phone was when their wifi drops..
Just throwing in my experience for the record...
I'm a network administrator for a living so I know a few things about making wifi work. In a nutshell my Evo LTE will not maintain a stable conneciton to *any* wifi N network under any settings. I've tried mutiple routers and multiple ROMs for my phone and none would work properly. I'll spare you the details but channels, encryption, spectrum, root, preamble... nothing would work on N.
WiFi G = rock solid
WiFi N = sucks more than Paris Hilton
Since I concluded that G works perfectly I've just made sure to stick with G networks. Not worth fighting Sprint for a new phone that may very well do the same thing for me. :victory:
Not sure if you guys are having the same issue I've been experiencing, but my wifi issues have went away since using Mozilla firefox. I messed with my router settings, used 2.4 ghz, 5ghz, wifi n, wifi g, different security configurations, a bunch of different wifi apps, just about every browser on the market and as odd as it sounds, only Mozilla has solved my problem. If I use any other browser, I get hang-ups and phone gives me the impression that wifi isn't working. I don't know why or how mozilla works great while all other browsers' performance is inconsistent and frustrating but its a fact. I strongly recommend anyone with "wifi problems" give mozilla a try.
has anyone found a solution to this wifi issue?
i can connect to my home router with no problem, very stable. but outdoors, on cablewifi, or optimumwifi the connection is terrible. the signal shows connected, but there is no data being uploaded or downloaded. i think it might have something to do with channel congestion, but my friends iphone has no issues whatsoever.
so whats the deal with the evo's wifi radio???