So there's the reatilmenote $100 off but it only works on new accounts or adding a line to existing accounts. On my current account I have two lines both off contract. Could I create a new line and carry over my existing number and then cancel the existing off-contract one?
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So there's the reatilmenote $100 off but it only works on new accounts or adding a line to existing accounts. On my current account I have two lines both off contract. Could I create a new line and carry over my existing number and then cancel the existing off-contract one?
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no, you would have to cancel your old number and keep the new number... also that discount doesn't usually work if you have what is called a FAN on your account, giving you a monthly company discount.
Is this only applicable if you order directly from ATT? I pre-ordered (did the add a line) from Best Buy for the $50 rebate plus the free case. I'm assuming I cannot get this discount?
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Is this only applicable if you order directly from ATT? I pre-ordered (did the add a line) from Best Buy for the $50 rebate plus the free case. I'm assuming I cannot get this discount?
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correct... http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/deals/100savings.jsp
could you not "port" the old number to the new line/ thus cancelling the old line in the process?
OK thanks.
Since you are form ATT, can you confirm a few things that support told me?
1. I have the unlimited grandfathered data plan. Will I be able to transfer this to my Note? I was told yes.
2. This is a bit more convoluted but I'll try to explain. Currently I have 2 phones (an HTC Inspire which is what I am replacing plus an iPhone 4s) on a family plan, none of which are eligible for an upgrade. They're both smartphones with data plans. This is what the ATT rep. told me to do to get the best deal since I can't upgrade:
a. Add a line and buy the Galaxy Note, which requires me to choose a data plan for it.
b. When I activate the Note, have the phone number and unlimited data plan from my HTC Inspire transferred to the Galaxy Note.
c. Take the new line I added, and apply it to an old "dumbphone" that I own, which allows me to drop the new data plan I added.
This leaves me with 3 phone numbers but only 2 data plans. I was told that data plans are not part of the 2 year contract, it's just a requirement of having a smartphone. So if this works, my total additional monthly expenditure is the $9.99 for the new line - again no data cost since it's associated with a dumbphone.
I hope that makes sense. This idea was from someone at ATT customer service, so I assume it's legit. My only concern is that since I have to activate it at Best Buy, they will screw it up and won't be able to drop the data plan or screw up transferring my unlimited data plan to the Note.
Thanks for your help.
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could you not "port" the old number to the new line/ thus cancelling the old line in the process?
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if he was switching carriers yes, but he already has at&t. you can't port a number to the same carrier.
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OK thanks.
Since you are form ATT, can you confirm a few things that support told me?
1. I have the unlimited grandfathered data plan. Will I be able to transfer this to my Note? I was told yes. Yes, this is correct.
2. This is a bit more convoluted but I'll try to explain. Currently I have 2 phones (an HTC Inspire which is what I am replacing plus an iPhone 4s) on a family plan, none of which are eligible for an upgrade. They're both smartphones with data plans. This is what the ATT rep. told me to do to get the best deal since I can't upgrade:
a. Add a line and buy the Galaxy Note, which requires me to choose a data plan for it.
b. When I activate the Note, have the phone number and unlimited data plan from my HTC Inspire transferred to the Galaxy Note.
c. Take the new line I added, and apply it to an old "dumbphone" that I own, which allows me to drop the new data plan I added. Yes, this is true, yes this will work, but many reps at least in a corporate store will not do this. You will have to get customer care to do it for you. You are signing a 2 year contract for a phone knowing it requires a 2 year data plan. While it is true if you switch to a phone that does not support data that it can be removed but not many reps will do it, especially if it is right away after getting the new phone which required it. However, since you are getting it at best buy, they prob won't care and will just do it for you.
This leaves me with 3 phone numbers but only 2 data plans. I was told that data plans are not part of the 2 year contract, it's just a requirement of having a smartphone. So if this works, my total additional monthly expenditure is the $9.99 for the new line - again no data cost since it's associated with a dumbphone. Yes, if you get the data plan removed, you will need an IMEI number off your basic phone to do so.
I hope that makes sense. This idea was from someone at ATT customer service, so I assume it's legit. My only concern is that since I have to activate it at Best Buy, they will screw it up and won't be able to drop the data plan or screw up transferring my unlimited data plan to the Note. Best buy will activate it on the new number, leave it there then go to at&t store and have them swap it, or call at&t customer care to swap it because then you don't have to worry about a mistake. Also your current phone number you are planning to use the note on will need a new LTE sim card, if you haven't gotten a new SIM in the last year or so then it prob isn't an LTE SIM. Your note cannot even be switched to your old number until the SIM is updated, the system will not allow it. It will just flag errors on your account and put a data block on your line until you do.
Thanks for your help.
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Thank you for the thorough reply AEDan!
With regards to your comments about the SIM, I assume the Note will come with one right? were you just saying that so that I wouldn't take the SIM out of my Inspire and put it in the Note and then wonder why it didn't work? I got my current SIM 1 year ago so I'll just use whatever comes with the Note.
I will do what you say and call customer care and have them move all the numbers around. that way I don't have to mess with Best Buy making a mistake and potentially losing my unlimited data plan or something.
Thanks again!
Got it, thank you! Guess I'll either have to go Best Buy or keep crossing my fingers on Amazon Wireless if I want to save any money . . . kind of peeved they've not mentioned it all! I've called a few times and they just keep telling me that if it's not on the website then they don't know anything
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Thank you for the thorough reply AEDan!
With regards to your comments about the SIM, I assume the Note will come with one right? were you just saying that so that I wouldn't take the SIM out of my Inspire and put it in the Note and then wonder why it didn't work? I got my current SIM 1 year ago so I'll just use whatever comes with the Note.
Yes, but you will most likely still need another SIM, because the SIM that comes with the note will be assigned to whatever number is added to your account by adding a line like you are doing. You can not reassign a sim to another number. Basically that new sim that comes with the note will go in your "dumbphone" on the second line, you will need another new LTE sim for your current number you are putting the note on unless you already have a LTE sim.
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These pictures are what the LTE sims look like, with the halved colors on the bottom. Some of them are completely halved colored without the white bar on the top, depends on which of the sim card brands you have as they used a few different suppliers. Easiest way to spot them as well as they don't say at&t on them, they just show the globe. LTE SIMs are backwards compatible will all other phones.
I will do what you say and call customer care and have them move all the numbers around. that way I don't have to mess with Best Buy making a mistake and potentially losing my unlimited data plan or something.
Thanks again!
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AEDan,
The SIM in my HTC Inspire is like the one in your second picture marked as LTE SIM. So more than likely I will be able to take the SIM from the Inspire and put it in the Note?
Is not being able to reassign a SIM to another number a new thing? When I moved my wife from an iPhone 3G to the 3GS, I called ATT and they just swapped the numbers associated with each SIM. they told me that was the "correct" way to do it and I should not manually switch the SIMs. these were of course the old style non-LTE SIMs.
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AEDan,
The SIM in my HTC Inspire is like the one in your second picture marked as LTE SIM. So more than likely I will be able to take the SIM from the Inspire and put it in the Note?
Is not being able to reassign a SIM to another number a new thing? When I moved my wife from an iPhone 3G to the 3GS, I called ATT and they just swapped the numbers associated with each SIM. they told me that was the "correct" way to do it and I should not manually switch the SIMs. these were of course the old style non-LTE SIMs.
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Yes, you can use your same sim...
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Yes, you can use your same sim...
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Excellent, thanks again for all of your help.
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I have a 5-6 year old media net unlimited plan $20 from AT&T which I got when I was using a Motorola MPX220. After that phone I used unlocked smartphones (tilt - UK version and tilt2 - Australian version).
Is there any way to keep this plan after buying this phone? Can I be grandfathered in or is that only possible with the $30 data plans?
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you WILL get switched to a $25 plan
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I have a 5-6 year old media net unlimited plan $20 from AT&T which I got when I was using a Motorola MPX220. After that phone I used unlocked smartphones (tilt - UK version and tilt2 - Australian version).
Is there any way to keep this plan after buying this phone? Can I be grandfathered in or is that only possible with the $30 data plans?
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no more media net
you WILL get switched to a $25 plan
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What plan is the $25 plan?
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Buy the phone with no commitment and you can use it.
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That is what I did. I have the same plan, if I get a contract I lose my unlimited plan.
No its possible. ATT will recognize your imei number and bump you to a data plan. You have to buy a phone that is not in ATT system such as bell version of atrix. Other wise no chance.
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okay so between James62370 and sl8125, one of you is spreading FUD.
it seems like for one person it works but according to another, it wouldnt. whats up with that?
i have a $10 unlimited data plan for messaging phones that i am currently using with a no commitment TILT2 and the phone prior to that was an iphone 2g.
so James62370, it works? if you buy the phone no commitment?
You wil get switched to a smartphone data plan if you use a smartphone they recognise the imei number of.
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You wil get switched to a smartphone data plan if you use a smartphone they recognise the imei number of.
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That's what I said. Anyways even some n1 user have been switched over. I am just one of those lucky one.
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Ok ... here is how you can see if you can keep your old plan:
Check the features you have on your line ... If you have a feature called "Smartphone Exclusion" then no matter what ... AT&T wont be able to put the required data plans on you line automatically (the $15 or $25 / month)
If you have unlimited texting for the family as well ... then by providing a non-smartphone IMEI for your line you can get unlimited internet for $10/month.
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Ok ... here is how you can see if you can keep your old plan:
Check the features you have on your line ... If you have a feature called "Smartphone Exclusion" then no matter what ... AT&T wont be able to put the required data plans on you line automatically (the $15 or $25 / month)
If you have unlimited texting for the family as well ... then by providing a non-smartphone IMEI for your line you can get unlimited internet for $10/month.
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I can confirm this as well. I spoke to an AT&T rep last night and he explained to me that all of my phones have "Data Exclusion", and that even if I bought the Atrix at the 2-year contract price from AT&T's website, it would not be able to apply a smartphone data plan to my account. I have the Media Net plan on one number with the Tilt 2, and no data on line 2, and I bought the Aria for line 2 and they did not apply any data to it.
He did warn me that if I made any changes to the data features on any phone I MIGHT lose the data exclusion, and that if I bought a phone from an AT&T store the rep might screw up and add the data, since Data Exclusion is such a rare feature, but that if I bought online the system would just leave me alone.
Now I just need to know if "4G" data works on the old Media Net plans.
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Now I just need to know if "4G" data works on the old Media Net plans.
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just use the standard APN that was posted here for "unlimited tethering"
Since I have been on the phone with ATT for the last 3 days it has been one thing after another..first data issues coming from the iPhone they switched me over to a 2GB cap called them up they "fixed it" (basically added the smartphone pack. Yesterday got a few calls at work I let them go to VM...so i thought. Somehow my VM got messed up had to call about that. This morning I didn't get one text from anyone found a bit odd since me and the wife text a lot during work when we can. Checked online I had no text plan??? WTF!?? Called them up and guess what I had an older 1500 text plan they don't offer that so i cant get it...really?? come on ATT I just bought a phone no contract nothing should have changed.
So as of now everything seems ok, still working have a case open for my text plan and have gotten some credit back for the data stuff. But really i should have never gone through this whole mess when all I did was buy a phone out right and put my old sim in it.
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No its possible. ATT will recognize your imei number and bump you to a data plan. You have to buy a phone that is not in ATT system such as bell version of atrix. Other wise no chance.
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AT&T recognizes the IMEI on all of their iphones. When I put my sim into my friends iphone, it asked me to update my data plan. Obviously, I did not...
It works on the Atrix, though I don't doubt if AT&T knew which phone I had, they would probably want me to upgrade. I asked a rep many years ago, they said I have some sort of legacy feature grandfathered in, but if I make any type of changes to my plan, I would lose it. I cannot remember what they call it. Thus I cannot purchase a phone with an AT&T contract. Pretty lame, but that has been my experience and what I have been told. Not all reps know what they are talking about.
I'm not here to argue with anyone. I know which plan I have, and I know I have an Atrix. All I did was take my sim from my old phone out and put it into my new Atrix and it works without complaining for me to upgrade my data plan.
However, I am not impress with the HSUPA speeds, and it seems everyone has the same issue whether they are on a $30 unlimited plan, or $20 medianet bundle.
I hope this helps, good luck guys!
Well, I don't see anything called "Smartphone Exclusion" in either of my lines (this is a 2 line family plan, only my phone has the medianet unlimited).
I guess I'll need to wait and buy a Bell Canada version of the phone?
If you are checking it online, it doesn't show as a regular feature. There is a link that shows "other features" ... or just call them up and ask if you have it.
I did upgrade one of my lines, they added $15 in the store. I just called them and got that off of the line, luckily the smart phone exclusion did not go away!
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The smartphone exclusion feature only covers you for your current device. If you put your SIM into a phone that Att recognizes as a valid smartphone that is different than the one you currently have on file, your grandfather status is gone and you get a smartphone data plan. Happened to a few people I know. No commitment pricing has nothing to do with it, since its in the Att terms of service, I think. If you are getting grandfather status back, the sales people are likely making exceptions.
i dont know but Mine too is media net plan since touch pro 2, nexus one, captivate and atrix.
My co-worker complained to AT&T and they grandfathered him into the unlimed data plan.
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My co-worker complained to AT&T and they grandfathered him into the unlimed data plan.
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Hi guys so just like most of you in here, I'm waiting on the galaxy s4 for Verizon. I am currently eligible for an upgrade, but I have a question regarding a a possible loophole for keeping my unlimited data. I share the account with my father along with 3 other lines. If I were to transfer the upgrade to another one of the lines and "upgrade" that line and then deactivate/reactivate on my line, would I be able to keep my unlimited data? And how would I go about doing this online with the preorder? Thanks for your time!
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There is a thread on here about keeping unlimited data. Do a search and you should find it.
You will lose the unlimited data on the line that's ready to upgrade, if you don't transfer it. If you decide to transfer the upgrade from the line that has the unlimited data, you'll be safe & won't lose it. I hope this helps.
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You will lose the unlimited data on the line that's ready to upgrade, if you don't transfer it. If you decide to transfer the upgrade from the line that has the unlimited data, you'll be safe & won't lose it. I hope this helps.
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Do what I did. I just bit the bullet and went to shared data but sold my unlimited data plans first.
I sold my wifes and mine for $750 combined. It will take years for me to make up that difference as I WFH three days a week so I am around wifi pretty much 5 out of 7 days.
Thanks for the feedback guys. I am going to try to just upgrade one of the other lines that's on a basic connection and then just activate the phone on my line when I get it. When I go to preorder online, it asks if I will be purchasing a SIM card and if not it asks for the SIM ID that I will be using. Should I purchase another SIM card or just give them mine? Im not sure of the process so I'm iffy about giving them my SIM ID because I'm not sure what that will do. any help is much appreciated.
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I am going to try to just upgrade one of the other lines that's on a basic connection and then just activate the phone on my line when I get it. When I go to preorder online, it asks if I will be purchasing a SIM card and if not it asks for the SIM ID that I will be using. Should I purchase another SIM card or just give them mine? Im not sure of the process so I'm iffy about giving them my SIM ID because I'm not sure what that will do. any help is much appreciated.
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Well, if the S4 is unlocked & your old SIM card is a micro SIM, you'll be fine using that. You might have some issues using your old SIM if the Verizon S4 isn't the unlocked version...
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Well, if the S4 is unlocked & your old SIM card is a micro SIM, you'll be fine using that. You might have some issues using your old SIM if the Verizon S4 isn't the unlocked version...
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Do what I did. I just bit the bullet and went to shared data but sold my unlimited data plans first.
I sold my wifes and mine for $750 combined. It will take years for me to make up that difference as I WFH three days a week so I am around wifi pretty much 5 out of 7 days.
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How do you "sell" these plans? I have two unlimited lines and one 4GB/$30 line that I would like to sell off, as we will likely not buy the phones at full price.
If you have an upgrade available on another line you can use that, but you need to first activate it onthe line you bought it for, then transfer it to the unlimited line.
Another prospective option ive considered and decided against is starting a new line, paying $199.99 plus $30 activation, and then immediately terminating for $350. You get it for $70 plus tax cheaper than paying full retail.
That $199 ends up being just over $300 when you finally click submit. $50 MIR makes it $249.99 to start.
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I've had success in transfering the upgrade to the basic line on my account that did not have data. Once you get the phone, reactivate the basic phone on the basic line. Then activate the new phone on your original upgrade line with unlimited data.
OT: I ended up ditching unlimited. The extra $$/mon savings was worth more than keeping it. I'm on wifi for about 90% of my data anyway. My employer-provided (yes, I keep separation btwn work/personal) phone still has unlimited and I can tether to it if I need to.
Hey guys; new here, awaiting the Verizon GS4
I had luck when the iPhone 5 came out keeping my unlimited Data. We have 5 lines with two still on unlimited, 3 on the 2gb. With 5 we almost always have at least one available for an upgrade. I was on a Galaxy Nexus with unlimited and I upgraded another line that had a 2gb plan. When the phone arrived I simply did the switch online with the new imei and the nano sim on my unlimited line replacing my Nexus. Everything went smooth.
Since then I purchased a nano sim adapter and have often switched back and forth between the iPhone and the Nexus; I'm Nerdy that way. No problem switching the sim between phones. I run whichever phone I want depending on my mood. My nexus is fully rooted and running the Sourcery Custome ROM and the latest Franco Kernal.
What I did was this: My wifes ona share everything plan while I still have unlimited. We added a line to HER share everything plan, got the S4 @200$... And I will just swap devices on VZW website from the bionic I use now. My mother in law works for VZW said I should be able to just put my unlimited SIM in the S4, and it will work right away...However, may need to activate it on the line line, deactivate it, put on mine.... (We have tablets for our kids just incase they require a device on that new line, we will simply give one of those access)
Good luck...
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I've had success in transfering the upgrade to the basic line on my account that did not have data. Once you get the phone, reactivate the basic phone on the basic line. Then activate the new phone on your original upgrade line with unlimited data.
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what happens to the basic line after deactivating it ( since u have to put it on a data plan for it to have smartphone...) do u have to call and cancle the data or will that happen automatically after deactivating smartphone and putting old "dumb" phone back on it? will this result in a fee?
Thanks in advanced to anyone who can help...
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what happens to the basic line after deactivating it ( since u have to put it on a data plan for it to have smartphone...) do u have to call and cancle the data or will that happen automatically after deactivating smartphone and putting old "dumb" phone back on it? will this result in a fee?
Thanks in advanced to anyone who can help...
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Automatically removes the data package
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Hello all, this might not be the right place to post this but I was looking for some help/advice.
I currently have unlimited data and an upgrade available. My wife's line is already on a 2GB plan.
I transferred my upgrade to her line and bought the S4 with her line, should be here tomorrow.
My question is, do I have to activate it on her phone first? Or can I simply just activate it on my line? I have been looking around the interwebs but have not been able to find a clear answer.
Some people say it takes 24hrs before I can transfer it to my line. Can I just activate it on her line and then go into a Verizon store to get a new SIM and swap it to my line? Or can I do it online? Sorry for the redundant questions and I appreciate any help!
Yes, if the contract on your line is extended. You will lose the unlimited data regardless of who you activate on first. The way it works is to use her upgrade and do an ESN change after.
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I did this exact thing. Upgraded my mom's line which has a dumb phone. Activated it on her line, waited 5 minutes, turned it off and then went on the website and switched it over to me. Had to call Verizon to turn her original phone back on because it was still showing order pending on her line but the woman just entered the MEID and I foamedialed *228 and everything was good. So far nothing has changed, I still have unlimited but my mom's line is now extended for 2 years
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I did this exact thing. Upgraded my mom's line which has a dumb phone. Activated it on her line, waited 5 minutes, turned it off and then went on the website and switched it over to me. Had to call Verizon to turn her original phone back on because it was still showing order pending on her line but the woman just entered the MEID and I foamedialed *228 and everything was good. So far nothing has changed, I still have unlimited but my mom's line is now extended for 2 years
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I didn't even realize I had unlimited data on my 2.5 year old Droid X until I went to order the S4 a couple of days ago! I went ahead and upgraded my line, thinking my data usage is so limited anyway (because I thought I was limited) and I would be able to manage with the 2 GB they give us. Thinking it over and trying to find a loophole, I can across the method you just described.
I quickly cancelled my upgrade and upgraded my moms dumb phone to a S4 and am waiting for it to do exactly what you did. I was expecting to have to go into the store, but you were able to do everything from your home? And will it matter that I am moving over from a 3G device to 4G? Thanks!
Just to update:
I transfered the elegible upgrade from the Unlimited line to the line with 2GB plan and ordered the phone.
Once it arrieved, I activated it on the 2GB line as per the upgrade. I then replaced the S4 with the S3 that was previously on the line and transfered the S4 to my line, the one with unlimited data.
I am now on the S4 with Unlimited Data! My contract was extended for two years too. So, this does still work.
Thank you
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I transfered the elegible upgrade from the Unlimited line to the line with 2GB plan
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What, exactly does this mean? The line with the 2GB plan was not eligible for an upgrade, because that line was already under contract, but you were able to upgrade the phone on that line by extending the contract on your Unlimited line, without losing Unlimited?
If so, then what would stop me from buying a dumbphone and activating it on a new 2nd line, so I have no contract on that line. Then, use the upgrade from my Unlimited line to get an S4 for the second line - thus, extending the contract on my Unlimited line, keeping Unlimited, and having an S4 on the second line with no contract. Then, swap the S4 to my Unlimited line and then cancel the second line with no ETF or other penalty?
I'm thinking about doing this with my brother's 2GB upgrade. So just to reiterate. I order the phone on his line. He activates it with his new SIM card, has my old Rezound right now. After he activates the new , can I just swap my SIM from my old s3 into the new s4 or do I have to go through the switch device on my Verizon?
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I'm thinking about doing this with my brother's 2GB upgrade. So just to reiterate. I order the phone on his line. He activates it with his new SIM card, has my old Rezound right now. After he activates the new , can I just swap my SIM from my old s3 into the new s4 or do I have to go through the switch device on my Verizon?
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You're not talking about the same thing. You're talking about using his upgrade (a 2GB line that is eligible) to upgrade his line. Then do an ESN swap (can't just swap SIMs, I don't think) online to switch him back to his Rezound. Then do another ESN swap to change your line from whatever phone you're using to the S4. That is no problem.
This thread is about transferring an upgrade from an Unlimited line to a 2GB line and using it without losing the Unlimited.
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What, exactly does this mean? The line with the 2GB plan was not eligible for an upgrade, because that line was already under contract, but you were able to upgrade the phone on that line by extending the contract on your Unlimited line, without losing Unlimited?
If so, then what would stop me from buying a dumbphone and activating it on a new 2nd line, so I have no contract on that line. Then, use the upgrade from my Unlimited line to get an S4 for the second line - thus, extending the contract on my Unlimited line, keeping Unlimited, and having an S4 on the second line with no contract. Then, swap the S4 to my Unlimited line and then cancel the second line with no ETF or other penalty?
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Yes, I transfered the upgrade from My unlimited line, Upgrade was 5-11-13, to the 2GB line which was doesnt have an upgrade until 9-10-14. My unlimited line is now under contract till 5-20-15 with the S4 and unlimited data. The 2GB line still has upgrade on 9-10-14.
I have no idea about your question. I am sure they would not allow that. But, I dont know what the difference is.
Hopefully this helps. If not I am sorry. Maybe I just got lucky?
Thanks for posting the additional info, Churchryn. I would say you have definitely discovered a loophole in the system. And now I'm going to attempt to exploit it myself!
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Thanks for posting the additional info, Churchryn. I would say you have definitely discovered a loophole in the system. And now I'm going to attempt to exploit it myself!
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I plan on doing the same, let us know how it goes
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You're not talking about the same thing. You're talking about using his upgrade (a 2GB line that is eligible) to upgrade his line. Then do an ESN swap (can't just swap SIMs, I don't think) online to switch him back to his Rezound. Then do another ESN swap to change your line from whatever phone you're using to the S4. That is no problem.
This thread is about transferring an upgrade from an Unlimited line to a 2GB line and using it without losing the Unlimited.
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You will have to go into a Verizon Wireless store to reactivate the Rezound because once you deactivate a SIM card, it is deactivated forever! At least this was the case for me with phone swapping a Rezound and Galaxy S4.
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If so, then what would stop me from buying a dumbphone and activating it on a new 2nd line, so I have no contract on that line. Then, use the upgrade from my Unlimited line to get an S4 for the second line - thus, extending the contract on my Unlimited line, keeping Unlimited, and having an S4 on the second line with no contract. Then, swap the S4 to my Unlimited line and then cancel the second line with no ETF or other penalty?
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This works, up to the point of cancelling the second line. You can add a second line with a dumbphone, upgrade it, switch it to your line and then remove data from the second line. But you have to keep that second line open for the contract at the $10 a month or whatever it is.
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You will have to go into a Verizon Wireless store to reactivate the Rezound because once you deactivate a SIM card, it is deactivated forever! At least this was the case for me with phone swapping a Rezound and Galaxy S4.
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You can use the new SIM that came with the S4 to run the rezound. However, Rezound uses full size SIM and S3/4 use microSIM. So you would need to purchase a cheap adapter to use the new microSIM in the full size SIM slot. Then you use your S3 SIM in the new S4. ESN swap is only needed for non-4G phones.
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Yes, I transfered the upgrade from My unlimited line, Upgrade was 5-11-13, to the 2GB line which was doesnt have an upgrade until 9-10-14. My unlimited line is now under contract till 5-20-15 with the S4 and unlimited data. The 2GB line still has upgrade on 9-10-14.
I have no idea about your question. I am sure they would not allow that. But, I dont know what the difference is.
Hopefully this helps. If not I am sorry. Maybe I just got lucky?
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I'm fairly certain you gamed the system. I've been told and have gone through numerous upgrade transfers where if the upgrade was originating from the unlimited data line, no matter where it goes or what happens, the unlimited data line will lose unlimited data. Either upgrading it or transferring the upgrade, it will go away. If this didn't happen to you, I suspect someone either helped you out in a certain way, or just simply made a mistake.
My point would be, I wouldn't rely on this system to be 100% correct all the time. Upgrading and trying to get around loopholes is very hit and miss depending on who you talk to and which store you go to.
It is entirely possible that my occurance was a happy accident. But, I am still glad that this happened. I have been checking regularly to ensure that my account is still unlimited. I did do it all online with no interaction from the store, maybe the automated process makes it a little easier?
Anyway, I am really liking the S4. Rooted with TWRP waiting for ROMs.
I hope this helps anyone looking to to the same thing.
I too upgraded my sister in laws dumbphone to a s4. Activated it under her, immediately swapped sim cards to mine. Called to have her simless phone be put back in service and cancel data. It took about 10 minutes to rob her upgrade
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It appears that I am screwed. I'm on an Individual plan and I don't seem to be able to even add a second line at all without converting my existing line to a Family Share plan and losing my Unlimited.
Just did this on the 23rd:
Wife and I had 1400 minute shared family plan with unlimited data each, and a wifi hotspot device on its own little plan. Went to the verizon store and told them I wanted to upgrade my wifes Iphone. She doesn't use hardly any data. Upgraded her phone to the S4. They put her on a shared plan with the wifi hotspot and told me I could leave my minutes alone or bump them down to the 450 plan. Either way my data would stay intact. I left it be for now just to keep from changing to much. Since my wife wasn't with me, I told the guy to reactive her iphone so she wouldn't be without service, and she would come up later to reactivate. I went to another store and told them my wife didn't like the S4 but since I already paid for it, I wanted to try it. He popped a new sim card in and activated it. Plan the same, all is good. Once you pay for it, its yours. You can use it as you please. Now, when she wants to upgrade, I got to make a decision........pay full price, or lose my plan. But, that will be some time down the road.
You only need to activate it on her line (otherwise her phone number will be stuck with a pending upgrade) and then you can immediately activate it on your line. While I don't sell cell phones I'm in a Verizon wireless store all the time and I've seen it done
So nowadays with the release of the s5, M8 and the pending LG G3, everybody wants to upgrade their phone, but nobody wants to lose unlimited data. very understandable and there is a method that works perfectly!
Yes we all know that you can buy a phone at full retail price, but who the hell wants to do that? the following instuctions is legal and should work without question.
First and foremost, if you are on the share everything plan you can exit this post because you are already screwed. furthermore if at any point in time you change your plan to the share everything plan all of your unlimited data lines will be gone forever. So don't do it.
Before we start there are a couple prerequisites you need to know.
1) You must still have an unlimited data line that you want to keep.
2) You MUST have a tiered data line on the same account. It does not matter if its a 3g phone or 4g phone. As long as it does not have unlimited data. Yes, you can add an additional line to your account to make this work if all lines are unlimited. However, you will have to pay the activation cost and $30 a month for the next two years or as long as you want to keep the additional line for this purpose. This trick obviously works better if you have a tiered data line cause then your bill will not increase and you will get the same results.
So, without further ado, here it is:
The only time you lose unlimited data is when you either A, switch to the share everything plan or b, upgrade the LINE that has unlimited data. It does not matter where the upgrade comes from, only what line is upgraded. I will provide an example at the end of the post.
1) go to the Verizon store and upgrade you're non unlimited data line to the phone you wish to purchase. Even if that particular line does not have an upgrade you can use an upgrade from any other line even if they have unlimited data. Just make sure that the phone that is upgrade is not the unlimited data line. so now you have used an upgrade from any line on your account to purchase your discounted phone. The phone that you have just bought should be on the line that does not have unlimited data.
2) after you have done that and paid for the phone you simply ask the representative to do a device only change. you put the just purchased phone on whatever number you want it to be on and put the original phone from the non unlimited data line back on the original line. Depending on the store you may have to buy an additional SIM card but you now have a brand new upgraded and discounted phone on your unlimited line and your non unlimited line is exactly as it was when you walked in the store. And that is well worth the price of a SIM card. So essentially, you have just upgraded your unlimited data line to a new phone without losing your data plan or costing you any extra money(minus if u had to buy a sim card).
If you are not familiar with Verizon plans for how this works it may seem complicated. I have provided an example below to make things easier. Feel free to PM me if you need any extra help.
I have spent a decent amount of time writting this guide and A LOT more time responding to posts and PM's. As of 11/19/2013 this thread has been viewed over 21,000 times and only 11 people have taken the time to press the "Thanks" button. Going forward, if you can't take 3 seconds out of your day to kindly rate the thread and/or hit the thanks button , then please don't expect me to answer a 3 paragraph question about your upgrade. This is a reasonable request in my opion. Thanks.
Example
Plan: 2phones 1 w/unlimited (we will call it the gs3)
1 w/2gb data plan( we will call it the Note2)
Availible upgrades: gs3 has an upgrade, note2 does not
1) do an alternate upgrade which means you're using your gs3 lines upgrade to upgrade the note 2 line to whatever phone you want, we will say the GS4.
2) after you do your alternate upgrade you should now have A GS 3 with unlimited data and a GS 4 with a 2 gig data plan.
3) ask the representative 2 then do a device only change and move the GS 4 to the line with the gs3 and unlimited data. put the gs3 sim card in the GS 4 and that line is good to go.
4) now, ask the representative to put the note 2 back on its original line, the one with the two gig data plan. put the original sim card from the note 2 back in the note 2. your SIM card that came with the GS 4 upgrade is now extra. you won't be able to use it for a day or so but you can hang on to it for future use.
5) you should now have a GS 4 with unlimited data and a note 2 with 2 gig data.
This is a very simple procedure unless you get a complete idiot at the store you should have no problem doing so. to the best of my knowledge you can upgrade as many phones using this method on the same account as you want. AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT UPGRADE AN UNLIMITED LINE DIRECTLY YOU WILL BE FINE. My only suggestion is, don't abuse it. don't try to upgrade 3 phones the same day using this method. As I said before, it's not illegal but I'm pretty sure verizon would not be happy with people abusing this loophole so space your upgrades apart a little bit.
I have upgraded to phones on my plan in the last 9 months doing this very message and have had no problems at all. I hope this post helps some people out! The only thing that sucks worse than not upgrading your phone is losing your data or paying $690 for a retail price device. HAPPY UPGRADING!!
Please note, as of August 24, 2014, Verizon changed their policy. Any line upgraded to a smart phone must keep the data package for the 2 year length of the contract. There for, performing the switch with a basic line means it becomes a data line for 2 years.
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I would highly advise doing the device only change with another rep or even at another store. If a device is switched to a different line within 6 months of purchase, it can result in a chargeback for the rep (lose the commission they made off your purchase). I don't know if it differs between corporate and retailers, but I wouldn't do it if somebody asked.
tl;dr = upgrade at one store, device only change at another
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I would highly advise doing the device only change with another rep or even at another store. If a device is switched to a different line within 6 months of purchase, it can result in a chargeback for the rep (lose the commission they made off your purchase). I don't know if it differs between corporate and retailers, but I wouldn't do it if somebody asked.
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Anyone get commission when you order online? I don't want to screw the rep in the store, they're just trying to make a living like the rest of us, they don't set VZW's BS policies. I was thinking order it online, activate the new phone over the phone. Then call back and put the old phone back on the data capped line. Someday, when I get a chance I'll pop into a corporate store and get a new sim on my unlimited line and activate the S4 on that one.
I never deal with corprate stores due to the fact rhat they could not care less about an individual. They have so much traffic they are not imterested in goimg the extra mile. I used to work for a retailer and have done this method at least 10 times, 12 if you include my stuff and also watched countless other reps do rhe same. Nobody ever incured a charge back. I guess you could go to a different store just to be safe but shouldn't be necessary. But I would never choose a corprate store. Tons of bad experiences.
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Anyone get commission when you order online? I don't want to screw the rep in the store, they're just trying to make a living like the rest of us, they don't set VZW's BS policies. I was thinking order it online, activate the new phone over the phone. Then call back and put the old phone back on the data capped line. Someday, when I get a chance I'll pop into a corporate store and get a new sim on my unlimited line and activate the S4 on that one.
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From Verizon's website, I don't believe so. Some retailers allow you to ship a phone to one of their stores, and then whichever rep finishes the process for you gets the commission.
So yeah, it's neutral to buy online. No reps will gain anything or lose anything.
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I would highly advise doing the device only change with another rep or even at another store. If a device is switched to a different line within 6 months of purchase, it can result in a chargeback for the rep (lose the commission they made off your purchase). I don't know if it differs between corporate and retailers, but I wouldn't do it if somebody asked.
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Are you corprate or retailer? Cause I dont know where your getting this chargeback thing. Once the phone is sold its sold. How are they going to hold the representative accountable for a phone that switch lines. even if that's true all you have to do is take the SIM card from your old phone and put it in the new phone and it will work. it doesn't even technically need to be switched in system. especially if both phones are 4G once you switch SIM cards they will be updated automatically in system. I highly doubt that anybody will get charged back for something the customer did. Not to mention, if you are correct, how would going to a different store or a different reps make any difference? according to you there still going to chargeback the person you sold the phone right? I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying I'm 99.5 percent sure I'm right. Besides the fact, I'd rather screw a rep out of 5 dollars worth of commission then lose my unlimited data or not upgrade my phone.
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Ask jayochs.. I think he works for a retailer or used to.
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I did this at a Verizon store at a bjs wholesale no problems he knew what he was doing and thanked me for the commission. I specifically travelled to him knowing he was aware how to do it.
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No commission is lost when you do this. I have a couple friends who work at Verizon retail stores and that's how they do it for people that ask to keep their unlimited data.
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This is exactly what I did. Except the Verizon retailer knew about so I didnt have to BS or anything. They got the commission and I got my new GS4.
I went to a Best Buy store, they do everything for you, they don't even charge for the SIM Card, they swap phone and all for you in the spot, I also did the adding a line to my plan so I can get the Galaxy Nexus when it came out, but it's like $17ish a month because of taxes and some fees, At the end of the 2 years you save around $100 bucks, compered to buying the phone full price, but then you'll have another line that you can use the upgrade if you need to.
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I went to a Best Buy store, they do everything for you, they don't even charge for the SIM Card,
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i was told that all verizon stores are supposed to give out sim cards for free, even replacements. the csr told me that if anyone charges for them that i'm supposed to report them.
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i was told that all verizon stores are supposed to give out sim cards for free, even replacements. the csr told me that if anyone charges for them that i'm supposed to report them.
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That is true for corporate stores. Retailers are different because Verizon charges them for the SIM cards that they have.
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I never deal with corprate stores due to the fact rhat they could not care less about an individual. They have so much traffic they are not imterested in goimg the extra mile. I used to work for a retailer and have done this method at least 10 times, 12 if you include my stuff and also watched countless other reps do rhe same. Nobody ever incured a charge back. I guess you could go to a different store just to be safe but shouldn't be necessary. But I would never choose a corprate store. Tons of bad experiences.
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Yeah the person at a cooperate store wouldn't do that method for me so I said F U I'm going to Sprint then and never looked back especially because there lte isn't as saturated here in LA.
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costco
I thought i was doomed as well.
fortunately i bought mine through costco, they will also switch around the accounts for you to activate at $199 for galaxy s4 instead of the full retail price of $699 or whatever it is these days.
My advice, go to costco
An easier way is to do it online cause they give u the option to move the upgrade to any line u want. I have 4 lines. 2 of them have the note 2 on them with the unlimited data plan. The other 2 lines have 2 lg chocolates on them to avoid having to get a data plan on them lines. So if I have an upgrade on one of the lines that have unlimited data on them I just log in and put the upgrade on one of the other 2 lines that dont have unlimited and order and wait for it to come.
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An easier way is to do it online cause they give u the option to move the upgrade to any line u want. I have 4 lines. 2 of them have the note 2 on them with the unlimited data plan. The other 2 lines have 2 lg chocolates on them to avoid having to get a data plan on them lines. So if I have an upgrade on one of the lines that have unlimited data on them I just log in and put the upgrade on one of the other 2 lines that dont have unlimited and order and wait for it to come.
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That's how I got my S4.
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Just upgraded to an s4 with a dumb phone line. Going to get it and switch it to my unlimited data line, then remove the data and put the dumb phone back on the other line. Can't wait to get it on Wednesday!
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An easier way is to do it online cause they give u the option to move the upgrade to any line u want. I have 4 lines. 2 of them have the note 2 on them with the unlimited data plan. The other 2 lines have 2 lg chocolates on them to avoid having to get a data plan on them lines. So if I have an upgrade on one of the lines that have unlimited data on them I just log in and put the upgrade on one of the other 2 lines that dont have unlimited and order and wait for it to come.
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They do that in the store as well. Its call an alternate upgrade. The purpose of my post is to explain in easy to understand teminology , how to use the alternate upgrade switch to your advantage. Whether you do it online, at a store or with Santa Claus makes no difference to me. I just don't want people to give up their plan if there is another way.
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I have an unlimited plan on a 3g phone with an upgrade available, and a dumb phone not eligible for upgrade. I tried this alternate upgrade. method at the vzw store and got to the checkout point, and was told that using the upgrade from the unlimited data line on *any* line will lose unlimited data. I went to a different store and asked there as well, and they said the same thing. I guess I have to wait until the dumb phone is eligible for an upgrade...
Newbie to smartphones needs some help.
I have an old Motorola flip phone that is using Verizon unlimited phone and text (about $34/mo total) and it is ready to die. It doesn’t have a sim card slot. I purchased the Moto E XT 1528PP from Best Buy (has not been turned on yet) and need some help to transfer my existing plan to the new phone without having to sign up for the pre-paid 6 month plan. I just want to have the ability to talk and text and be able to use the wireless capabilities WITHOUT a data plan, i.e., connect wirelessly to a hotspot or wireless modem. Can someone offer advice on the best way to do this? Do I need to buy some sort of postpaid micro sim card or do I need to do something else?
Thank you in advance for your help.
I guess your old phone is a CDMA one, that's why it doesn't have a SIM Card. I don't think there's a way to transfer the plan so I would contact Version and ask them what should you do.
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I guess your old phone is a CDMA one, that's why it doesn't have a SIM Card. I don't think there's a way to transfer the plan so I would contact Version and ask them what should you do.
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VZ has a clear policy that states the phone needs to be on prepaid for 6 months before it can be moved to postpaid. If this were another carrier, say T-Mobile, you could switch phones every hour with none of this trouble.
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Well, OP said it's a flip phone, so he must've had it for years right now. They would let him change to prepaid.
puertagustavo99 said:
Well, OP said it's a flip phone, so he must've had it for years right now. They would let him change to prepaid.
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Maybe the loyalty department would, but regular service reps tend to be strict about policies. Also his plan is very old and may automatically change when he activates the phone for his line.
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Maybe the loyalty department would, but regular service reps tend to be strict about policies. Also his plan is very old and may automatically change when he activates the phone for his line.
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I finally wound up calling Verizon and to my surprise they changed the Moto E from prepaid to postpaid and transferred my existing phone number and existing plan (unlimited talk/text) to it with no changes to my billing. I will use the wifi features so as to avoid data charges. This seems to have worked for me. Let me know your thoughts and if you think this was a good outcome.
Yeah, it was a good outcome.