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Is it wrong that I feel slightly compelled to return my EvoLTE (got a few days left in my 14) and get the SGS3? With a global launch of nearly identical phones (save for CDMA, frequencies, etc, S4 in the US), it is gonna be a hit phone. I really have very few issues with the EvoLTE besides the goofy multitasking button (for which I installed the mod).
I know the screen is technically inferior, but most who have used SGS3 seem to agree our eyes can't tell.
2GB RAM is REALLY compelling, and I think its going to have a kicking dev community, and no locked bootloader.
Please don't write me off as a troll. I'm not a hater, I like the EvoLTE. I'm just going to be stuck with a phone for 2 years, and feel under pressure to make the right choice.
ill keep my htc. i prefer sense over crappy touchwiz or whatever its called
but if you want it so bad you should get it ^_^
I just read the news on phonearena...and I knew without a doubt I would find a post like this here.
First off...the international version of the SIII will have a great dev community, the sprint version....not as much. Will it be good/great? Maybe....but it won't top the evo. From what I can tell...most of the great dev community from the Evo 4g is/has moved here. I mean, cm9 is already out....what does that tell you?
The screen is inferior...and 2gb of ram sounds great. I just don't see how it is really can be considered better.
This is how I see it, and I have owned several brands of phone, no fanboyism here. (Evo-Evo3d-epic 4g touch-iphone 4s-Galaxy nexus).
The evo has better build quality, feel, screen, UI overlay, and support from HTC...yes support, look at both versions of the epic. Both suffer from slow updates and bugs...
GSIII- possibly more ram, few innovative features (or gimmicky depending on who you are). The GSIII has worse build quality, worse screen, touch wize makes the phone look gingerbreadish, and the support from samsung on sprint has not been the best in the past.
That beings said, I believe the phones will have similar performance levels. If the GSIII has two gigabits of ram, that will be cool, but I doubt the everyday user will see a huge difference, if any.
Yes the evo 4g lte has weird multitasking...but the aggressive memory managing can be turned off in a custom rom. Plus sense is great, and so is AOSP. You can do either with this phone...but you have the options of touchwize (which may be great if you like it) and AOSP on the GSIII.
Is really debatable which is better. Engadget thinks the one X series is better...while phone arena thought the GSIII series is better.
There are great devs here too. For me I'm keeping the Evo.
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Crap radios,weird looking (my opinion),poor build quality,touchwiz,GPS issues ,screenes not as good.I never have a problem with a gig of ram. I just think it isn't necessary... yet anyway.it's gonna be a beast for sure, just don't like Samsung...definitely a matter of opinion .I don't think there will be that much of a difference in performance.
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Horrible radios! i was getting half the speeds of what i do now, voice and data. Never going back to Samsuck
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Why is the SGSIII screen worse than the EVO 4g LTE?
As others have said radios are not good however I guess this will be the true test as far as radios seeing how they are using Qualcomm chip with radio built in... And then we will know if its just their crappy programming or something. Lol also the screen is up to you I have a gn basically same screen as sgsiii and its ok however the sgsiii is slightly better I guess cause of spacing?
Touchwiz isn't good imo and its the same look as it has been HTC at least reinvented the wheel this time around to.make it better in some ways. The extra 100 in batt will help some probably due to the screen. However I have seen many people say and or show up over on the LTE side from the og and other places.
2gigs of ram gimmick IMO I know some people say they have reloading issues when they hit home I haveny had that or anything... Not to mention the iPhone beat the sgsiii in a drop test I want to see EVO LTE in a drop test with it lol. So its all up to you keep man. And what you like better and if you want to bite down on a 35$ restock fee or 70$ restock fee if you.get the gsiii and decide you want EVO back lol.
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I'll be sticking with my LTEvo based on looks alone. The SG3 may beat out the LTE by a hair, but not by much if any. Ive been told the US version SG3 will have the same dual-core S4 Snapdragon processor as the LTE and the only thing it has on the LTE is the 2GB ram. Its a nice phone no doubt but the build quality on the LTE is simply amazing. Im happy with my LTE but im sure the SG3 will just as nice! Its great to have two awesome phones to choose from!
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I just read the news on phonearena...and I knew without a doubt I would find a post like this here.
First off...the international version of the SIII will have a great dev community, the sprint version....not as much. Will it be good/great? Maybe....but it won't top the evo. From what I can tell...most of the great dev community from the Evo 4g is/has moved here. I mean, cm9 is already out....what does that tell you?
The screen is inferior...and 2gb of ram sounds great. I just don't see how it is really can be considered better.
This is how I see it, and I have owned several brands of phone, no fanboyism here. (Evo-Evo3d-epic 4g touch-iphone 4s-Galaxy nexus).
The evo has better build quality, feel, screen, UI overlay, and support from HTC...yes support, look at both versions of the epic. Both suffer from slow updates and bugs...
GSIII- possibly more ram, few innovative features (or gimmicky depending on who you are). The GSIII has worse build quality, worse screen, touch wize makes the phone look gingerbreadish, and the support from samsung on sprint has not been the best in the past.
That beings said, I believe the phones will have similar performance levels. If the GSIII has two gigabits of ram, that will be cool, but I doubt the everyday user will see a huge difference, if any.
Yes the evo 4g lte has weird multitasking...but the aggressive memory managing can be turned off in a custom rom. Plus sense is great, and so is AOSP. You can do either with this phone...but you have the options of touchwize (which may be great if you like it) and AOSP on the GSIII.
Is really debatable which is better. Engadget thinks the one X series is better...while phone arena thought the GSIII series is better.
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Really!? Have you even seen the ET4G forum!? it is probably the most dev'd device around and will only move on to the SGS3 the EVOLTE is a great phone but as of rt now Samsung is making much better and stable product then HTC, aside from the camera options the Evo is just barely catching up to the Touch(imho)
Think about it the Hero came out and was the best phone ever made then just before the EVO( the reason we have anything like we have now) and all the heros started crapping out then now come the EVOLTE and all the Evo4G are crapping out now Im not big on conspiracy but look at the pattern.
Again these are only my opinions and observations
After owning an EVO Shift then a Nexus S 4G I am sticking with the EVO. The feel of the phone is better and I believe HTC uses better internal parts. I never had reboots at all on my EVO Shift. I had reboots and screen of death frequently on my Nexus.
I also will never own another phone with a pentile screen, no matter what people say I can't see.
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First off...the international version of the SIII will have a great dev community, the sprint version....not as much. Will it be good/great? Maybe....but it won't top the evo. From what I can tell...most of the great dev community from the Evo 4g is/has moved here. I mean, cm9 is already out....what does that tell you?
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this.
I had the Epic 4G Touch since launch and even though I had no problems with the development, it was SLOW to start. it got root fast (that's to zedomax) but everything else came slowly, AOSP came 3-4 months or so after release, everything else was pretty much dominated by one or two devs/teams. Why? Because CDMA came later and is less popular than GSM, and which is global - the International version is GSM and the conversion of roms from GSM to CDMA is more difficult and time consuming than you would think. Rest assured there will be some devs as there always is with galaxy phones but you can't compare it to the amount there are with the International/GSM galaxy phones.
This phone, and however, blew me away with what we have thus far. Why? Because there isn't a "GSM" version to suck most of the great devs away from our development. it's got the best starting development out of all the Sprint devices I've seen(next to the OG EVO, and of course)
Several of the gimmicky features of the S3 are apks that have been leaked already (posted s voice and floating video player in themes&apps section). that said, I there isn't really anything that makes the S3 unique except the 2 gb ram and the HD pentile screen (debatable)
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First off...the international version of the SIII will have a great dev community, the sprint version....not as much.
The evo has better build quality, feel, screen, UI overlay, and support from HTC...yes support, look at both versions of the epic. Both suffer from slow updates and bugs...
That beings said, I believe the phones will have similar performance levels. If the GSIII has two gigabits of ram, that will be cool, but I doubt the everyday user will see a huge difference, if any.
but you have the options of touchwize (which may be great if you like it) and AOSP on the GSIII.
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Actually, Epic Touch had very good developer support.
The samoled hd screen is indeed inferior.
Samsung phones definitely have better build quality, but they are made of plastic, so it's a wash.
Epic Touch had good support from Samsung.
Touchwiz is actually a much better skin than Sense. Especially sense 4, which is a bloatware and a resource hog. One thing you can expect from GS3 for Sprint is that it's going to have stellar software, where everything is hardware accelerated to the max and buttery smooth and fast.
I'm probably gonna keep the evo cause I hate the look of the gs3, but I'm also hoping that we can steal some of their software.
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Really!? Have you even seen the ET4G forum!? it is probably the most dev'd device around and will only move on to the SGS3 the EVOLTE is a great phone but as of rt now Samsung is making much better and stable product then HTC, aside from the camera options the Evo is just barely catching up to the Touch(imho)
Think about it the Hero came out and was the best phone ever made then just before the EVO( the reason we have anything like we have now) and all the heros started crapping out then now come the EVOLTE and all the Evo4G are crapping out now Im not big on conspiracy but look at the pattern.
Again these are only my opinions and observations
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I doubt people are going to move from the ET4G, which is less than a year old, to the GS3. I am sure some of themore hard core crowd will but most people are under a contract or are quite happy with their phone. The reason a lot of people are moving to the new EVO is because they were on contract with the OG EVO or are using their last yearly upgrade from the 3D.
The Dev's alone will keep me from keeping my EVO. They made me like my 3D even when I had buyers remorse over the S2. They almost made me not have to buy this phone, thanks to the ONE s Rom. I'm also liking what I'm seeing so far, even though the phone has only been out for a week.
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I just want to get this straight when we say build quality is good on Sammy we are referring to the phone withstanding a drop decently yes? Cause internal build quality radios n what not are less then amazing.
and the sgsiii is not as sturdy as the sgsii if anyone saw the vids of the two dropping compared to ip4s
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Screen : research pentile , you'll see people viewing it under a microscope with some criticisms. Shrug.
Development community.. With sprints phone being more or less identical to verizons, I think it'll be at least as good. But for me, I just want a stable cm9, which really only takes a couple good devs. And both phones will have that, so I'll concede a wash.
Gps and radios, good points. Certainly one of the reasons I chose htc after my og epic. But maybe just maybe they got it figured out?
When picking a phone for 2 years, specs are key for me. Think about your computer: twice the ram is significant. Particularly considering the multitasking issues I too have experienced on this phone. Almost no apps truly save their state when you go away from them for a few min. And we'll be hoping both android 5 and 6 go on these generation phones (via Cyanogen probably) so more ram may be significant at that time.
Didn't have any issues with my epic build quality, came to appreciate the plastic even.
Also- isn't the gpu better, or will it be the same as evo in the us models?
Argh
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I just want to get this straight when we say build quality is good on Sammy we are referring to the phone withstanding a drop decently yes? Cause internal build quality radios n what not are less then amazing.
and the sgsiii is not as sturdy as the sgsii if anyone saw the vids of the two dropping compared to ip4s
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Yes, that epic touch was built like a tank.
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One more thing. Will Samsung ever make a phone that has a working GPS? I'm still waiting for my girlfriend's GS2 find a "GPS signal"
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I haven't really been keeping up with the new phones and the ones coming out, I had no intention of selling my amaze anytime soon.. but I found this page(http://www.digitaltrends.com/highlight/t-mobile/) and saw they are still listing our amaze - I thought for sure websites would have stopped pushing it.. then I saw that tmobile is now selling the amaze for free! Damn you tmo!
But I was wondering what people thought about other phones that are coming out? I did some light researching and the galaxy s3 euro version looks pretty nice, with the quad core - why the US versions they keep pulling that out, I have no idea.. but 2100mah battery (that can be accessed!) and external sd, the camera pics and video look good(but still not as good as ours) - overall it seems a good competitor.
But rather than do tons more research, I'm sure some people here have some phones they are salivating about, or perhaps pissed off(dual core S2 for the US, wtf?!) about.. and I figured I'd say hi here rather than just stalk the development forums like usual!
So what's good?
I'm keeping it simple, first quad core HTC phone T-Mobile gets will be mine! Keeping my amaze until then
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For all phone goodies I check gsmarena.com
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Im going to wait for the Samsung note 2 with hopes that it will be sold in T-Mobile and quad-core.
fuego77 said:
I'm keeping it simple, first quad core HTC phone T-Mobile gets will be mine! Keeping my amaze until then
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that is about how I feel, but I'm not a true htc cannot yet.. so I won't discriminate yet. My old vibrant was okay, but I felt the quality was low enough I'd be hesitant to go with Samsung again..
Everyone else is fair game, if another manufacturer makes a quality quad core, that is when I'd consider a jump from the amaze.. but I haven't been doing a lot of research into what is coming out till now.
And can ANYONE explain why these manufacturers thing quad core is good over seas, but dual core is what WE want? Or do they think we'll just buy it if they just sell it!?
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And can ANYONE explain why these manufacturers thing quad core is good over seas, but dual core is what WE want? Or do they think we'll just buy it if they just sell it!?
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That's because we US folks complain about battery life all the f**** time. Many will even sacrifice performance for battery life like underclocking the Amaze from 1.5 to 1.2Ghz. Sarcastically speaking... these folks will buy a quad-core only to find themselves again complain about battery life. What do they do? They will downgrade to dual-core to have a couple of more hours of battery. Companies are hearing these folks.
Flame on folks. Lol
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That's because we US folks complain about battery life all the f**** time. Many will even sacrifice performance for battery life like underclocking the Amaze from 1.5 to 1.2Ghz. Sarcastically speaking... these folks will buy a quad-core only to find themselves again complain about battery life. What do they do? They will downgrade to dual-core to have a couple of more hours of battery. Companies are hearing these folks.
Flame on folks. Lol
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that is true. But with the Galaxy s3 coming out with dual core here in the U.S, main reason is quad core exynos doesn't support LTE just yet.
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wait for one of the AOSP devices coming to Tmobile. Show these manufacturers that they need to stop focusing on coding unnecessary skins and leave the Android system vanilla, and instead focus on making better hardware that utilizes the power of the processing chips more efficiently in the way that WP phones do out of the box. and better cameras, better quality materials and most importantly, maximizing battery life.
i know i'll be going for whatever Jelly Bean device i'm assuming Tmobile will get. if not i'll just purchase whatever GSM unlocked one Google Play decides to sell.
Actually the reason why they us in the US are getting dual cores and not quads is due to a chipset issue, apparently only qualcom has the rights/patents to make modems for US bands, mainly the HSPA+ and LTE band we use, so in order to use those bands on the original chipset that they use for the international version, they'll have to add an extra chipset, the qualcom chipset modem, which will give you the US radio, but will increase battery use, which basically no company wants, apple does this but it's kicking their ass as well with multiple chipsets in a device. So you gotta thank US patents/copyrights along with qualcom for us being stuck with a dual core and at the rate things are going, we'll be pretty much stuck with what qualcom puts out yearly in our devices for quite a few years to come. Though if T-Mobile refarms that 1900 band we should be able to start picking up a few international versions and using them on T-Mobile, though I doubt T-Mobile as a carrier is gonna offer them if they're not packing 42mbps, until they throw out LTE.
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Actually the reason why they us in the US are getting dual cores and not quads is due to a chipset issue, apparently only qualcom has the rights/patents to make modems for US bands, mainly the HSPA+ and LTE band we use, so in order to use those bands on the original chipset that they use for the international version, they'll have to add an extra chipset, the qualcom chipset modem, which will give you the US radio, but will increase battery use, which basically no company wants, apple does this but it's kicking their ass as well with multiple chipsets in a device. So you gotta thank US patents/copyrights along with qualcom for us being stuck with a dual core and at the rate things are going, we'll be pretty much stuck with what qualcom puts out yearly in our devices for quite a few years to come. Though if T-Mobile refarms that 1900 band we should be able to start picking up a few international versions and using them on T-Mobile, though I doubt T-Mobile as a carrier is gonna offer them if they're not packing 42mbps, until they throw out LTE.
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Right on! All issues can be overcome if they really want it badly. It's a matter of time. Business wise, time is what many companies cannot afford due to competition. Supply and demand in an overly competitive industry is at stake.
I haven't seen anything I'd like to upgrade to. The amaze is more then capable for what I need out of a phone, and will be plenty fast for the next year. Phones just aren't progressing as fast as they did even a couple years back. When I first got my hero there was a newer faster phone out almost monthly. Even with quad core, yes it may be faster on paper, 'woohoo quadrant drag racing my phone beat your phone', but when it comes to day to day use how much faster can you really go? My hero, when I first played with it I could see room for improvement, with the amaze, not so much.
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I haven't seen anything I'd like to upgrade to. The amaze is more then capable for what I need out of a phone, and will be plenty fast for the next year. Phones just aren't progressing as fast as they did even a couple years back. When I first got my hero there was a newer faster phone out almost monthly. Even with quad core, yes it may be faster on paper, 'woohoo quadrant drag racing my phone beat your phone', but when it comes to day to day use how much faster can you really go? My hero, when I first played with it I could see room for improvement, with the amaze, not so much.
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Actually, you made some really valid points - I was talking to someone yesterday about how technology hasn't really improved THAT much in the last 20+ years besides a few things, pretty much everything is the same and it is just getting smaller and faster.. and that is more so true at this point. Phones, computers, until they do something different or better, the increases in speed is becoming meaningless.
For me the selling point on the quad core is the 5th core with the lower clock speed that handles the non-heavy lifting and is supposed to increase battery. I would probably just shut off 2 of the cores and keep that benefit.. If you actually understand how multi-core cpus work then you know that they each handle a different thread(or task) - it has no benefit having more than 2 cores unless there are more than 2 things that need to be done at once(like processing video and audio at the same time).
The BIGGEST change I would like to see with all of these advances in technology - make a better battery. The military has several battery technologies that are far more efficient than what we have access to.. as soon as those things go public, THEN we might have some true awesomeness.. until then we can only make things faster and/or more efficient.
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I haven't seen anything I'd like to upgrade to. The amaze is more then capable for what I need out of a phone, and will be plenty fast for the next year. Phones just aren't progressing as fast as they did even a couple years back. When I first got my hero there was a newer faster phone out almost monthly. Even with quad core, yes it may be faster on paper, 'woohoo quadrant drag racing my phone beat your phone', but when it comes to day to day use how much faster can you really go? My hero, when I first played with it I could see room for improvement, with the amaze, not so much.
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I couldn't agree more !
So much, I will more than likely keep this phone till next contract, which is a year plus away. Does everything I need.
I probably stand a lone ground on this, but with what I said up top.....I would consider a BB10 phone as long as it is QWERTY. Really miss my physical keyboard. If they can bring some better apps to the table with a decent screen and still decent battery, I may switch. I don't care about market share ....I get what I want, not what is in....
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As soon as they finish setting up the 1900 service, I will be buying an iPhone. Hopefully the iPhone 5 came out by then.
I am still within the window of returning my G Note (which i love except for a few things) and possibly getting a SGS3.
I really like the GNote and the massive screen, the extra real state is really nice! I am on AT&T and really like the idea of the HSPA network backup to the not yet present LTE here in South Florida. I am getting avg between 4-6 mbps DL.
NOTE (AT&T):
Likes:
* HSPA Network on AT&T
* Screen Size
* S-Pen (I actually use the thing)
Dislikes:
* LAG!!! It's minimized using TW, but any other launcher seems to slow it down. Over all it sometimes does not feel as responsive as expected from the specs.
* No OC on ICS (might be wrong here)
* Potential for less Dev support once SGS3 comes out.
SGS3 (VZW):
Likes:
* Camera...I have toddler at home and a quick camera would be great (this is my biggest factor for considering this phone)
* Power...this things seems like a beast!!!
* form factor
* ICS, although I am not as concerned about software bcs it's a matter of porting by one these great devs in XDA.
Dislike:
* Smaller Screen
* Slow 3G speeds when not on LTE area about 50% of time!
Any thoughts that might help me rationalize this decision is greatly appreciate it!
Thank you!
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Dislikes:
* LAG!!! It's minimized using TW, but any other launcher seems to slow it down. Over all it sometimes does not feel as responsive as expected from the specs.
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Is lag only in the launchers? If so, try Launcher Pro. No perceptible lag for me.
Good luck figuring this out, it's a tight race between these 2 devices.
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Is lag only in the launchers? If so, try Launcher Pro. No perceptible lag for me.
Good luck figuring this out, it's a tight race between these 2 devices.
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No, it's not limited to Launchers, but they do affect normal navigation. I had ran GO, ADW EX, and Holo....and Holo being the "fastest". I just installed Go Ex and it's really fast. I think it more to do with one the widgets that I was running.
But lag can be seen while unlocking, but I hear that the SGS3 is the same...something to do with deep sleep that Samsung uses. It can also be seen while playing some games like Angry Birds. It ran kind of choppy on my old htc Vision(G2) Oc'd @ 1.2 Ghz, but the Note sometimes shows that choppiness too.
One thing that also concerns me is that the RAM is ually running at 65%-75% capacity anyone else?
I can't decide either. My problem is that I have would have to return my note before ever seeing the gs3. I sold my international note for the one x and didn't like that phone so I would probably regret trading for the gs3 as well. Once you get used to the screen on the note its hard to downgrade. Believe me when I say that the note's screen looks way better than the one x, even the guy at Walmart's at&t store agreed with me. Hopefully when we get a kernel source it will speed up our notes, although my note isn't that bad now.
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First and foremost determine what you need in a phone, do you need the Horsepower of a quad core? Most apps aren't designed to work with the quad cores and I would believe that the support of them in ICS is kind of like windows, yes they will use them, but will it use them effectively? Do you want the screen or the camera more? I know for my needs I prefer the screen and the camera is plenty quick enough for what I do, but I don't have kids. As for lag, if it's really that bad, I'd exchange it for another. I only saw lag on my phone after I had launched 20 or 25 apps, running tons of widgets and hadn't shut my phone down in 3 weeks.
So in the end, the trade off is what will you utilize more and what would be best for you. I for one wouldn't trade my note for anything, but again I came from a streak and make full use of my very large screen and not the camera so much. Not to mention, you could wait to get the S3, get it, and in a year they'll probably release a phone that has 3.2GHz quad cores with brand new LTE system that's 10x faster than what we have now.
Technology has always grown faster than we can keep up with, the real question is, how long will you wait to get the latest and greatest? That's the reason why I haven't upgraded my home PC. There's always a new CPU coming out with a new form factor, or the next best graphics card is going to be released in a month or two. My current logic with it now is, hey it works, it works well, I'll keep it until it doesn't suit my needs anymore.
Just my thoughts on it.
Apex launcher is the best launcher for the note no lag on my end. I couldn't see myself going to a smaller screen. My hands fit the phone perfect.
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I will share my views with my days with the ATT Note. If you are running stock ROM..it was a HORRIBLE experience. I had my Captivate at the time and it was super smooth compared to the ATT Note stock.
If you are cool changing ROMS, which I think you are since you are here, I would expect it to be a lot better.
As for the dev on the ATT one dying after the GS3 comes out...well , unless you are buying an international GS3, I wont expect the dev for it to be that huge either compared to the international version but this is just a guess.
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lyall29 said:
I can't decide either. My problem is that I have would have to return my note before ever seeing the gs3....
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This is exactly my concern.....Yes it might be all that, as the hox was when it came out, but after I played with it for a bit I was not convinced and actually opted for the GNote instead despite the additional $70 that it cost me.
I guess I like to be a s bleeding edge as possible, being that at the speed of industry... in two years, by the time my contract is over, there will be 6.8Ghz eight core, 0.5 TB solid state drive phones with 21MP cameras that wipe my butt too.... But reality is that it might be overkill.
The other thing that attracts me to the SGS# is that finally an Android phone will have as many accessories as an iPhone given the number of pre-sales, and the fact that it will be the flag-ship device for the 5 major carriers in the US/Canada. I am tired of walking into a best buy and see 90 different cases for the iPhone and, if I'm lucky, finding the $hitty Speck case for my Note lol.
Lastly, my other concer is that in order to get the SGS3 I would have to go from AT&T to VZW, and I am not convinced at all of going from lightning fast VZW LTE to crawling speed 3g EV-DO signal. It is reliable in the area, but LTE does not reach 50% of my territory.
I guess I'm going to keep the GNote, root it and wait for a kernel to break 2.0 Ghz blazing fast phone. I have read a few reviews that measure web processing throughput and the Note beats the SGS3 in the benchmark. Also some of the ROMs available have been tweaked to improve DL perfromance quite drastically.
The camera is pretty snappy too....It seems to take long, but when the picture is revealed it look amazing!
Alrighty, a couple of things to keep in mind.
1. While most apps arent designed to utilize quad cores, this isnt likely to stay that way for long. Since quadcores are fairly new and Android app developers can actually update their apps without some sort of approval process, expect support to happen fairly quickly.
2. The SG3 has a stylus too.
3. ICS will be available for the Note probably in the next month or so. The latest rumour is July 13th. It was delayed 2 weeks because Samsung was fixing a kernel bug that caused the international Note to hard brick when flashing ICS roms.
4. The stock apps are interchangeable. The apps on the Note are available for the SG3 and the SG3 apps are available to put on the Note (this will become easier once ICS is official on the Note).
5. While yes, the Note is bigger, it isnt by much.
Now that Ive addressed those points, I want to talk about ram usage and lag.
The very first thing I am going to recommend is a simple factory reset. Strange as it may be, my Note had nothing but problems first day I had it. I should interject here, my Note was brand new, NOT a refurb. I had only installed a few of my own apps (Audible, BeyondPod, Go Launcher, Beautiful Widgets, and Widget Locker) and had NOT (and still havent in fact) rooted it. I also updated as many of the stock apps manually from the market as I could find since I noticed the stock apps were not linked to the market. And apps began force closing left and right, battery was dead within 6 hours of just streaming audio over bluetooth (hardly any screen time), poor performance, etc. Before I returned it, I did a factory reset and it has been running great since (on probably month 3 now of having it, I bought it very shortly after it came out in the states).
Strangely enough, my brothers Samsung GNexus had poor network performance out of the box, we did a factory reset WHILE driving home with his brand new phone (we drove 2.5 hours to pick up his phone so we had the time) and since then, it has been working fine since.
Ram usage is normal for it to be in the 75% range. Android works a bit differently than Windows and their is no negative to high ram usage TO A POINT. Ram usage exceeding at or exceeding 90% however would be troubling and actually cause poor, laggy performance but under 90% is fine. I dont want to go into the details here but a quick Google search, difference between windows and linux ram usage, might be beneficial.
Finally, my raw opinion, the SG3 is the better phone. The screen is better (albeit smaller), slightly faster, etc. Software differences are a moot point since all of that will be changed in a month when ICS is official for the Note and you can just install software from the phone you DONT have on the phone you DO have. Source code has been released for the Note and the SG3 so we may actually begin seeing some decent rom development begin to happen here in the coming weeks for both phones. What I would say is this, if you want a better quality screen and a slightly faster phone spec wise, go with the SG3. If you want the bigger screen, stick with the Note. Personally, I prefer the screen size and since I spent money on an extended battery for the Note (the Mugen 5400 mah), I wont be switching phones any time soon.
I guess the only thing that bugs me with the at&t note is opening apps. When I had the international note it was twice as fast at opening apps and the international gs2 was even faster. The app I use the most is cash flow for my check register. It takes almost 5 seconds to open with the at&t note and like 1.5 seconds with the gs2. I know I'm being picky but I like things to be fast. The HTC one x to me, was even slower than my gs2. Maybe because of the sense UI, but that's what scares me about the gs3 seeing how it has the same processor as the one x. Maybe I need to be content with what I have and quit wanting all the latest and greatest. After all this worrying I'll probably still get the gs3.
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Alrighty, a couple of things to keep in mind.
1. While most apps arent designed to utilize quad cores, this isnt likely to stay that way for long. Since quadcores are fairly new and Android app developers can actually update their apps without some sort of approval process, expect support to happen fairly quickly.
2. The SG3 has a stylus too.
3. ICS will be available for the Note probably in the next month or so. The latest rumour is July 13th. It was delayed 2 weeks because Samsung was fixing a kernel bug that caused the international Note to hard brick when flashing ICS roms.
4. The stock apps are interchangeable. The apps on the Note are available for the SG3 and the SG3 apps are available to put on the Note (this will become easier once ICS is official on the Note).
5. While yes, the Note is bigger, it isnt by much.
Now that Ive addressed those points, I want to talk about ram usage and lag.
The very first thing I am going to recommend is a simple factory reset. Strange as it may be, my Note had nothing but problems first day I had it. I should interject here, my Note was brand new, NOT a refurb. I had only installed a few of my own apps (Audible, BeyondPod, Go Launcher, Beautiful Widgets, and Widget Locker) and had NOT (and still havent in fact) rooted it. I also updated as many of the stock apps manually from the market as I could find since I noticed the stock apps were not linked to the market. And apps began force closing left and right, battery was dead within 6 hours of just streaming audio over bluetooth (hardly any screen time), poor performance, etc. Before I returned it, I did a factory reset and it has been running great since (on probably month 3 now of having it, I bought it very shortly after it came out in the states).
Strangely enough, my brothers Samsung GNexus had poor network performance out of the box, we did a factory reset WHILE driving home with his brand new phone (we drove 2.5 hours to pick up his phone so we had the time) and since then, it has been working fine since.
Ram usage is normal for it to be in the 75% range. Android works a bit differently than Windows and their is no negative to high ram usage TO A POINT. Ram usage exceeding at or exceeding 90% however would be troubling and actually cause poor, laggy performance but under 90% is fine. I dont want to go into the details here but a quick Google search, difference between windows and linux ram usage, might be beneficial.
Finally, my raw opinion, the SG3 is the better phone. The screen is better (albeit smaller), slightly faster, etc. Software differences are a moot point since all of that will be changed in a month when ICS is official for the Note and you can just install software from the phone you DONT have on the phone you DO have. Source code has been released for the Note and the SG3 so we may actually begin seeing some decent rom development begin to happen here in the coming weeks for both phones. What I would say is this, if you want a better quality screen and a slightly faster phone spec wise, go with the SG3. If you want the bigger screen, stick with the Note. Personally, I prefer the screen size and since I spent money on an extended battery for the Note (the Mugen 5400 mah), I wont be switching phones any time soon.
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Littleweirdo ...thanks for the explanation and opinion. I share much of what you are saying regarding the SGS3, and I think dollar for dollar the SGS3 is far more powerful than the Note. I looked at our bill, and with the new plans that VZW is pushing out on June 28th, we would actually save about $32 a month from our phone bill (which allone is an enticing reason to change). My concern is the LTE to 3G connectivity of the VZW network...not sure if that is a strong enough argument not to change to VZW. Something can be said about the quality of the VZW network that does, in a way, outweigh sheer DL speeds.
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I guess the only thing that bugs me with the at&t note is opening apps. When I had the international note it was twice as fast at opening apps and the international gs2 was even faster. The app I use the most is cash flow for my check register. It takes almost 5 seconds to open with the at&t note and like 1.5 seconds with the gs2. I know I'm being picky but I like things to be fast. The HTC one x to me, was even slower than my gs2. Maybe because of the sense UI, but that's what scares me about the gs3 seeing how it has the same processor as the one x. Maybe I need to be content with what I have and quit wanting all the latest and greatest. After all this worrying I'll probably still get the gs3.
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My concern with dropping my Note for the SGS3 sight-unseen is that the SGS3 will not meet my expectations based on the hype.
This is the most annoying cellular phone decision (purchase) I have ever done!! LOL!
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Thanks lufc, hadn't realized that I wasn't in Q&A. :
Well I bit the bullet..... I switched to VZW. Specs wise the sgs3 seems to be superior, but push come to shove, a $35 a month savings with unlimited voice and text and 4gb gigs once the new pricing plans kick in at the end of the month.
I will miss the huge screen and te s- pen. And I might regret it, but I had to do it from a logical perspective.
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Littleweirdo ...thanks for the explanation and opinion. I share much of what you are saying regarding the SGS3, and I think dollar for dollar the SGS3 is far more powerful than the Note. I looked at our bill, and with the new plans that VZW is pushing out on June 28th, we would actually save about $32 a month from our phone bill (which allone is an enticing reason to change). My concern is the LTE to 3G connectivity of the VZW network...not sure if that is a strong enough argument not to change to VZW. Something can be said about the quality of the VZW network that does, in a way, outweigh sheer DL speeds.
My concern with dropping my Note for the SGS3 sight-unseen is that the SGS3 will not meet my expectations based on the hype.
This is the most annoying cellular phone decision (purchase) I have ever done!! LOL!
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Ok, Im not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. BUT, Samsung hasnt created a crappy phone since prior to the Galaxy S line of phones - I cant speak to anything prior to that because I never owned a Samsung phone prior to the Captivate. They have proven that they are ready to play with the big boys, they are even taking on a certain fruit company in court.
Why WOULDNT the Galaxy S3 not live up to all the hype? All the tech enthusiasts love it, ask anyone who has it outside of the US, they all love it as well. I think its a fantastic device and other than a smaller screen, its an upgrade from the Note in EVERY aspect, including a much higher quality screen.
If I wasnt invested in the Note already (ie a contract & a $100 extended battery), Id be looking very seriously at the S3 because the Note is older tech. Honestly, Id be laughing at the Note's screen size (I did originally before I decided to just see if I could live with it) because hell, its big.
If Im GOING to buy a phone, Im going to get the latest tech because I know that living with a phone for two years is going to be painful during the last 6 months of the contract.
Although I dont see myself wanting to upgrade my phone after two years due to the limited things I actually USE my phone for (podcasts, audiobooks from Audible, driving directions and checking for app updates for the 15 or so apps I have installed), my Note is plenty adequate. Hell, I would still be using the Captivate if it hadnt died on me. It did everything the Note does for me (that I use it for that is) and it even had a MUCH better sound processor (the Note's sound processing is TERRIBLE).
I'm still curious why people talk about the sgs3 like it's a pentium 4 to the notes pentium 2. The us note is a 1.5ghz dual core, the us sgs3 is a 1.5ghz dual core. The sgs3 has more ram, which means very little when appropriate customizations can create a silky smooth experience on either device. And to top it all off, with the right optimizations in the rom and kernel, a 1ghz tegra 2 is just as smooth as these 1.5 ghz chips. My atrix was buttery smooth on cm9, my note is buttery smooth on cm9, and I'm sure the sgs3 will be buttery smooth on cm9. In my opinion, it comes down to aesthetics and screen, because everything else is a variable if you plan to flash.
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Ok, Im not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. BUT, Samsung hasnt created a crappy phone since prior to the Galaxy S line of phones - I cant speak to anything prior to that because I never owned a Samsung phone prior to the Captivate. They have proven that they are ready to play with the big boys, they are even taking on a certain fruit company in court.
Why WOULDNT the Galaxy S3 not live up to all the hype? All the tech enthusiasts love it, ask anyone who has it outside of the US, they all love it as well. I think its a fantastic device and other than a smaller screen, its an upgrade from the Note in EVERY aspect, including a much higher quality screen.
If I wasnt invested in the Note already (ie a contract & a $100 extended battery), Id be looking very seriously at the S3 because the Note is older tech. Honestly, Id be laughing at the Note's screen size (I did originally before I decided to just see if I could live with it) because hell, its big.
If Im GOING to buy a phone, Im going to get the latest tech because I know that living with a phone for two years is going to be painful during the last 6 months of the contract.
Although I dont see myself wanting to upgrade my phone after two years due to the limited things I actually USE my phone for (podcasts, audiobooks from Audible, driving directions and checking for app updates for the 15 or so apps I have installed), my Note is plenty adequate. Hell, I would still be using the Captivate if it hadnt died on me. It did everything the Note does for me (that I use it for that is) and it even had a MUCH better sound processor (the Note's sound processing is TERRIBLE).
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Yeah I hear ya.....I have seen multiple videos on the the SGS3 and it seems like an incredibly fluid device. I have to say the screen real state i will miss, but since I am returning my Note today, and will get the SGS3 in early July I am back on an Blackberry Pearl 8130...the screen size is about 1/4 of the Note's....maybe less LOL. So I think by the time i get the G3 it will seem like a huge screen!
I will miss the S-Pen....I did use it quite a bit. I stopped taking my notebook to meetings bcs all I needed was my note.
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I'm still curious why people talk about the sgs3 like it's a pentium 4 to the notes pentium 2. The us note is a 1.5ghz dual core, the us sgs3 is a 1.5ghz dual core. The sgs3 has more ram, which means very little when appropriate customizations can create a silky smooth experience on either device. And to top it all off, with the right optimizations in the rom and kernel, a 1ghz tegra 2 is just as smooth as these 1.5 ghz chips. My atrix was buttery smooth on cm9, my note is buttery smooth on cm9, and I'm sure the sgs3 will be buttery smooth on cm9. In my opinion, it comes down to aesthetics and screen, because everything else is a variable if you plan to flash.
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You are right in the sence that many phones just need to be optimized in order to get them smooth. I did that with my htc Vision/G2 once I rooted, swaped kernels, flashed a "few" ROM's including ICS and had it OC'd to nearly 2x it's rated processor speed. BUT, and you know a but was coming....
There is something to be said of the posibilities of a device being launched nearly simultaneously on all 5 major carriers in the US...no other device has ever done that (at least under the same name, and never in so close proximity of one from the other).
The other thing impressive about the G3 is the hardware, it's got 2GB of ram, and incredible camera, a very good processor (though not the latest), and note like beautiful screen. For me the camera alone draws my attention, and the fact that the spec are as close to bleeding edge as we can get in a production device, makes me pretty happy to know that I can pull of 2 years of no upgrades.
In fact, when I purchased the htc G2 on T-Mobile nearly 2 yrs ago, it was the only phone on 4G network, and it was the best phone out there for a while, and I found no reason to envy any other devices. I switched from it bcs I got tired of the poor data strength of T-mobile in my area, and the fact that sitting at my office, getting signal was a hit/miss situation, but the device itself it's still kicking....it's my toddler's mini tablet at the moment.
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my raw opinion, the SG3 is the better phone.
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Amazes me that people make statements like this without ever seeing, touching, or using a phone..
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Amazes me that people make statements like this without ever seeing, touching, or using a phone..
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Ive seen it first hand (the international version). The screen is probably the biggest thing about the SG3, its a better quality screen than the Note.
Samsung has NAILED every phone. Would people be buying it otherwise? Look at the world wide sales, look at the tech reviews, there is hardly anything negative to say about it.
In fact, the only negative is that it doesnt have the latest processor, big whoop in my opinion. Oh, and maybe touchwiz, but touchwiz is decent now, nothing like the pile of poo it was on the Captivate.
I live in Australia and we have UMTS 850 and 2100 so I can use the DNA, J Butterfly or International Butterfly, however I notice all of the developer support going out to the DNA and not the Butterfly. Will the same development work on both, for example kernel and ROM? The support already looks slow enough as it is, let alone none at all if I choose the wrong model! I wonder why there is no Butterfly sub section?
Is development always this slow for this phone or is it because it is a new device?
Depends on a lot of things.
Butterfly is not getting wide spread international release like most HTC phones do just yet. There is big question mark if it ever will. With their financial troubles and pulling out of many markets, they might skip widespread Butterfly launch and just go with M7 global launch.
Either way, DNA makes more sense at this point. Even if Butterfly releases widely internationally, the phone shares almost everything except modem with DNA. So any ROM that is released for Butterfly can and will be easily ported to DNA. If not the one that works for Verizon, then the one like Virtuous DNA+ which is dedicated ROM for 3G HSPA users like you and me.
So getting DNA makes more sense as it is global phone. So you have 2 development channels open. Easy ports of Butterfly ROMs and dedicated DNA development. I am sure most developers who will work on Butterfly in future will release simple port for DNA as it will increase their popularity and they will get more donations with minimal efforts.
And at the moment DNA is getting more development as you said as it released in the US as the only 1080P phone early.
Win win for DNA owners.
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Depends on a lot of things.
Butterfly is not getting wide spread international release like most HTC phones do just yet. There is big question mark if it ever will. With their financial troubles and pulling out of many markets, they might skip widespread Butterfly launch and just go with M7 global launch.
Either way, DNA makes more sense at this point. Even if Butterfly releases widely internationally, the phone shares almost everything except modem with DNA. So any ROM that is released for Butterfly can and will be easily ported to DNA. If not the one that works for Verizon, then the one like Virtuous DNA+ which is dedicated ROM for 3G HSPA users like you and me.
So getting DNA makes more sense as it is global phone. So you have 2 development channels open. Easy ports of Butterfly ROMs and dedicated DNA development. I am sure most developers who will work on Butterfly in future will release simple port for DNA as it will increase their popularity and they will get more donations with minimal efforts.
And at the moment DNA is getting more development as you said as it released in the US as the only 1080P phone early.
Win win for DNA owners.
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Thanks for that. I was at my local shops today about to purchase the Note 2, however it is too much like my last 3 phones SGS 1,2,3 and it was very uncomfortable to handle due to the nature of it's size. I was then looking at the Nexus 4 online and now the Droid DNA. I am having a hard time deciding on 1. I am blown away by all of the development for Nexus 4 and the front bezel looks sexy!. It is really sad to see little developers for DNA! - I am not used to little support, coming from a Samsung. I know for certain if the DNA threads were busier I would not hesitate to choose it over the Nexus 4.
the DNA is as wide as the S3 and taller, if you haven't compared the two yet
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the DNA is as wide as the S3 and taller, if you haven't compared the two yet
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I don't mind the size of my S3, however I wanted to try something away from Samsung now. I have been using them since Eclair. Like I said above, the only reason I am hesitant with this device now is it doesn't look to be flourishing in the development community!
I think HTC has become a little bit suspect over the last couple of years and that also worries me. I have owned a HTC Touch Diamond and a H2 (which I converted from windows to Android) and both of these phones overall weren't impressive to me at all. I just really hope if I buy a DNA/Butterfly, I won't regret it or be disappointed. Was anybody else on the fence with this device? if so what do you think now?
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I don't mind the size of my S3, however I wanted to try something away from Samsung now. I have been using them since Eclair. Like I said above, the only reason I am hesitant with this device now is it doesn't look to be flourishing in the development community!
I think HTC has become a little bit suspect over the last couple of years and that also worries me. I have owned a HTC Touch Diamond and a H2 (which I converted from windows to Android) and both of these phones overall weren't impressive to me at all. I just really hope if I buy a DNA/Butterfly, I won't regret it or be disappointed. Was anybody else on the fence with this device? if so what do you think now?
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Well that is tricky one to be honest.
I have give more than fair chance to HTC over last few years. I had Hero, Desire, HD2, Sensation, Sensation XL and One X before DNA.
The One X I ditched purely out of frustration. It received fair share of development, but even lot of developers themselves were frustrated with S-ON and Tegra 3.
The S-ON blasphemy still lives on till today and that is the biggest caveat I have against HTC and same is the case with lot of developers. They just loathe the fact that you have to go through HTC DEV to unlock bootloader and S-ON putting extra restriction on them and one more step for end users to remember and make sure they dont mess up while flashing custom kernels and rolling back to stock.
The only reason I am even giving chance to DNA is purely because of Hardware. I am not a big fan of Sense either. But it can be refreshing for a while. I went to One X after using 2 back to back Samsung TWUI phones, and for a while it was great to use something else. In long run though that beautiful piece of hardware was nothing but disappointment. But I hope DNA is different. Even if it does not get as much development as Samsung, couple of key devs can make a lot of difference.
I just wish they do come here. We already have few good ones. But their interest needs to last.
In the end you can always ebay the phone if you take care of it properly (cosmetically) and recover large portion of your investment. Specially high end little exclusive device like DNA which is not easily accessible outside US is in great demand outside US.
DNA will never get as much developer support as Nexus 4. Its not happening, neither will it match Note 2 or SGS3 or upcoming SGS 4 for that matter. What we need is just enough developer involvement to address some critical issues or add some really beneficial features to a phone with stunning hardware. This time the hardware is all there. We just need little bit of development. I for one was willing to take that risk when I jumped in. If it works out, well and good. Or it hits ebay in month or two.
Usually it will take couple of months after device launch for developer section to start buzzing on the exclusive devices like DNA.
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Well that is tricky one to be honest.
I have give more than fair chance to HTC over last few years. I had Hero, Desire, HD2, Sensation, Sensation XL and One X before DNA.
The One X I ditched purely out of frustration. It received fair share of development, but even lot of developers themselves were frustrated with S-ON and Tegra 3.
The S-ON blasphemy still lives on till today and that is the biggest caveat I have against HTC and same is the case with lot of developers. They just loathe the fact that you have to go through HTC DEV to unlock bootloader and S-ON putting extra restriction on them and one more step for end users to remember and make sure they dont mess up while flashing custom kernels and rolling back to stock.
The only reason I am even giving chance to DNA is purely because of Hardware. I am not a big fan of Sense either. But it can be refreshing for a while. I went to One X after using 2 back to back Samsung TWUI phones, and for a while it was great to use something else. In long run though that beautiful piece of hardware was nothing but disappointment. But I hope DNA is different. Even if it does not get as much development as Samsung, couple of key devs can make a lot of difference.
I just wish they do come here. We already have few good ones. But their interest needs to last.
In the end you can always ebay the phone if you take care of it properly (cosmetically) and recover large portion of your investment. Specially high end little exclusive device like DNA which is not easily accessible outside US is in great demand outside US.
DNA will never get as much developer support as Nexus 4. Its not happening, neither will it match Note 2 or SGS3 or upcoming SGS 4 for that matter. What we need is just enough developer involvement to address some critical issues or add some really beneficial features to a phone with stunning hardware. This time the hardware is all there. We just need little bit of development. I for one was willing to take that risk when I jumped in. If it works out, well and good. Or it hits ebay in month or two.
Usually it will take couple of months after device launch for developer section to start buzzing on the exclusive devices like DNA.
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You raise some very good points. If the Nexus 4 had the same screen, I would not be typing this message. Thanks for your advice! Have you received the phone yet, if so how do you like it? - I understand that Samsung will win with development at this stage and it will take some time for HTC to gain back their audience. I just really hope for the same things you do with development!
I use a DNA on Telstra, am really enjoying it. Once you strip it down and cull the bloat, it goes well. Data on NextG works fine. I got MMS going with a few tricks, too. Happy to help if you decide to take the plunge!
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You raise some very good points. If the Nexus 4 had the same screen, I would not be typing this message. Thanks for your advice! Have you received the phone yet, if so how do you like it? - I understand that Samsung will win with development at this stage and it will take some time for HTC to gain back their audience. I just really hope for the same things you do with development!
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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I use a DNA on Telstra, am really enjoying it. Once you strip it down and cull the bloat, it goes well. Data on NextG works fine. I got MMS going with a few tricks, too. Happy to help if you decide to take the plunge!
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Thanks for the response mate. I appreciate the help. Why do you need to do anything to get working MMS?
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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Oh cool you have both phones then? The Note 2 is just a little bit too big for me. How do the screens compare to you? Anything else you might add you like or dislike about the 2 devices mate?
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Yes, I got phone few days ago. Been using it for a week or so now. Havent yet completely switched to it due to busy schedule so I can transfer all my data and files to this phone yet but using it daily as secondary phone for now.
I like the phone, the screen, the overall feel. Wish sense animation was little bit faster. Phone flies in apps which is to be expected thanks to the hardware, but sense feels slower than TWUI or AOSP UI. HTC has opted for that smooth transition effect which actually feels slower on such fast device. I am so used to Note 2 flying through home pages and app drawer that this will take some time getting used to. But there is very little wrong with the phone for day to day use.
I actually wish we get good stable and fast AOSP /AOKP release for this phone so I can switch to it. Simply switching launcher does not seem to give the desired effect on this phone.
But it is far from total disappointment. In fact it is good experience so far. Just want it to get little better :good:
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If you go into the advanced development settings menu, you can raise the animation speed from 1 to .5 and it makes it more like TW animation speed. :good:
MMS doesn't work outside VZV unless you edit a few things in the build.prop (they blacklisted the 'mms' APN). To do this, you need a kernel with /system write available, so your changes stick after a reboot. You also need to use a third-party messaging app like Go SMS Pro or something.
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MMS doesn't work outside VZV unless you edit a few things in the build.prop (they blacklisted the 'mms' APN). To do this, you need a kernel with /system write available, so your changes stick after a reboot. You also need to use a third-party messaging app like Go SMS Pro or something.
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Ahh cool. I might ask you when I receive my phone. Just ordered it now. Costing me $598 delivered to Australia. It's fully unlocked and comes with an Otterbox Defender case. There weren't many deals going on and it took me a few days to even find this deal! I just sold a Nexus 4 for $550, so this is only costing me an extra $50 and it includes the case, so I'm happy. The phone has HTC USA 1 Yr Warranty. (Luckily for me my mother in-law lives in the US!
How much is the going price on the device outside of eBay? In the states for example.
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Ahh cool. I might ask you when I receive my phone. Just ordered it now. Costing me $598 delivered to Australia. It's fully unlocked and comes with an Otterbox Defender case. There weren't many deals going on and it took me a few days to even find this deal! I just sold a Nexus 4 for $550, so this is only costing me an extra $50 and it includes the case, so I'm happy. The phone has HTC USA 1 Yr Warranty. (Luckily for me my mother in-law lives in the US!
How much is the going price on the device outside of eBay? In the states for example.
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Outside ebay its $599 + tax + shipping. So a lot more than what you paid. Even I got mine was way less than this from ebay only. Got mine for like 550 delivered. But yes I too had to wait for couple of weeks for right auction and little bit of luck with auction ending late local US time in the middle of night.
Most ebay phones are people who had upgrade option available and got the phone for $199 but decided to make some money by selling the phone on ebay and keep the old phone for another contract cycle.
This is what 99% of ebay deals are for phone like this. So we do save considerable amount by buying from ebay. If you have a look at the seller ratings, you are safe and covered by ebay guarantee which heavily favours buyers. So its pretty safe bet if you take minimal precautions.
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Thanks for the response mate. I appreciate the help. Why do you need to do anything to get working MMS?
Oh cool you have both phones then? The Note 2 is just a little bit too big for me. How do the screens compare to you? Anything else you might add you like or dislike about the 2 devices mate?
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I am little bit of phone fanatic. I end up buying almost all high end phones from HTC, Samsung and sometimes some good chinese phones.
At the moment I have Xiaomi MI2, Note 2 and DNA with me. And just sold Nexus 4 few weeks ago, but you already had that so you know how it was.
Xiamoi is on par with DNA as far as performance is concerned. Its blazing fast and thats understandable as it has same chip. And no throttle issues like Nexus 4 on this phone. It just flies out of box. Mind boggling performance. It does out perform even DNA in benchmarks like Antutu as it has 720P screen and not 1080P. But you can feel the speed with this one. Total bang for buck for something I bought for less than $400 shipped. It does run out of battery quickly if you do anything processor intensive so it is mainly used as house phone.
Note 2 is a beast. Its screen is much better than SGS3. But DNA screen looks totally different. 1080P is heaven if you are viewing right content. Sadly somehow you feel sense is not making use of the real estate available. Specially those who have good vision and can live with smaller font or rather smaller icons / more grid lines as an option would have been nice. But thats fine. Nothing major. Sure someone will make a rom that will implement this down the line.
1080P and games that scale properly look super nice on this phone. But playing games with on screen controls is better experience on Note 2 thanks to bigger display. But I dont game much these days, not heavy gaming for sure. Just some 2d time pass games or sudoku, puzzle or jetpack joyride etc..
But the huge battery, and S-Pen make it much better productivity device. And I do have large hands.
I am totally in love with Note 2. I dont think that will change. It is better, more productive device at this stage of its development. But if you have problems with Note 2 size, DNA is definitely next best thing right now.
For development i say buy nexus.I had HTC desire and since then HTC changed, became a locked garden, Devs are moving away from HTC scene. However if you feel the need of some htc sense candy(i sometimes miss it) ,it is another story but i always flash an aosp rom usually so sense is kinda waste for me.Experience also taught me that software support is far superior as opposed to a slight advantage in hardware.Just my 2c though, it is your money and you decide how to us it at the end of the day
If not that why don't you Terry xperia z atm i don't really know about that line of phones but i only hear good things even from our beloved cody back at the sammy forums.
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Funkym0nkey said:
Outside ebay its $599 + tax + shipping. So a lot more than what you paid. Even I got mine was way less than this from ebay only. Got mine for like 550 delivered. But yes I too had to wait for couple of weeks for right auction and little bit of luck with auction ending late local US time in the middle of night.
Most ebay phones are people who had upgrade option available and got the phone for $199 but decided to make some money by selling the phone on ebay and keep the old phone for another contract cycle.
This is what 99% of ebay deals are for phone like this. So we do save considerable amount by buying from ebay. If you have a look at the seller ratings, you are safe and covered by ebay guarantee which heavily favours buyers. So its pretty safe bet if you take minimal precautions.
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I am little bit of phone fanatic. I end up buying almost all high end phones from HTC, Samsung and sometimes some good chinese phones.
At the moment I have Xiaomi MI2, Note 2 and DNA with me. And just sold Nexus 4 few weeks ago, but you already had that so you know how it was.
Xiamoi is on par with DNA as far as performance is concerned. Its blazing fast and thats understandable as it has same chip. And no throttle issues like Nexus 4 on this phone. It just flies out of box. Mind boggling performance. It does out perform even DNA in benchmarks like Antutu as it has 720P screen and not 1080P. But you can feel the speed with this one. Total bang for buck for something I bought for less than $400 shipped. It does run out of battery quickly if you do anything processor intensive so it is mainly used as house phone.
Note 2 is a beast. Its screen is much better than SGS3. But DNA screen looks totally different. 1080P is heaven if you are viewing right content. Sadly somehow you feel sense is not making use of the real estate available. Specially those who have good vision and can live with smaller font or rather smaller icons / more grid lines as an option would have been nice. But thats fine. Nothing major. Sure someone will make a rom that will implement this down the line.
1080P and games that scale properly look super nice on this phone. But playing games with on screen controls is better experience on Note 2 thanks to bigger display. But I dont game much these days, not heavy gaming for sure. Just some 2d time pass games or sudoku, puzzle or jetpack joyride etc..
But the huge battery, and S-Pen make it much better productivity device. And I do have large hands.
I am totally in love with Note 2. I dont think that will change. It is better, more productive device at this stage of its development. But if you have problems with Note 2 size, DNA is definitely next best thing right now.
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Awesome! I already had the SGS 1 and 2. I then followed suit and bought the SGS 3. The phone was way too similar to the SGS 1 and 2. I got bored of it extremely fast, which was a first for me in a long time. I decided to flash a Samsung based ROM with AOSP apps, which I thought was pretty good for about a day and then flashed Paranoid, CM10.1 and AOKP over the next couple of weeks. I eventually just got sick of the look and feel of the device being too familiar to me.
At this point the nexus was the 1 and only phone for me....... I first thought. After using it for a while it didn't seem like the screen was even any bigger than even my SGS 2 as it loses so much screen real estate because of the OSKeys and it certainly didn't feel like an upgrade from the SGS 3, besides the fact it was extremely polished and fast being vanilla.
However, the thermal throttling and screen size pushed me away (Not to mention I was scared about the resell value if it eventually does come back in stock). So naturally I starting looking at the Note 2 (Which mind you is fantastic, but after using my friends over a weekend, I just found it to be so much like the SGS 1,2,3 in design and feel, with that same familiar Samsung feeling. Also it was very hard for me to handle while doing my day to day tasks. I did have a final play with it at the shops and it really just felt too strange to handle.
I am now taking a gamble on the DNA but oh well, it is selling in Australia for a lot more so I know if I want to resell it I won't lose any money! The screen looks brill and the muscle car chassis is dangerously gorgeous. I have never liked HTC phone after my previous attempts but fk it. At least I can give a complete comparison to others later on
Honestly, all of this fuss just for a phone which I will most likely sell to buy an Xperia Z or another 5"1080p phone by the second half of this year with perhaps the Adreno 330 or perhaps a comeback by Tegra? Who knows what the year will bring. All I know is their is a lot of competition that has yet to arrive from Sony, Oppo, Motorola, Acer, Asus.... and so on!
P.S It was refreshing to actually see some movement in the thread!
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For development i say buy nexus.I had HTC desire and since then HTC changed, became a locked garden, Devs are moving away from HTC scene. However if you feel the need of some htc sense candy(i sometimes miss it) ,it is another story but i always flash an aosp rom usually so sense is kinda waste for me.Experience also thought me that software support is far supurior as opposed to a slight asvantage in hardware.Just my 2c though, it is your money and you decide how to us it at the end of the day
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Hey bart. Been a while mate. I don't think we have spoken since my fantastic post about the history of CheckROM and it's developers.
As for the N4, Been there already man. I loved the Nexus 4 for that pure clean experience. Above is my reasoning as to why I chose to leave it.
Oh god lol how can i forget that checkrom thread i still remember ur posts
Hehe k ,i suggest u look also at xperia z but,about tegra... i think you know how exynos is fked up in terms of supportthe grass at the tegra department is not greener
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Oh god lol how can i forget that checkrom thread i still remember ur posts
Hehe k ,i suggest u look also at xperia z but,about tegra... i think you know how exynos is fked up in terms of supportthe grass at the tegra department is not greener
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Yeah well the grass is never greener If you read my long boring post above from start to finish you would have seen me mention the Xperia Z near the end of the thesis
I am now again looking at buying the Droid DNA due to being screwed around by previous seller! I wanted to ask this: Everywhere seems to state that the Droid DNA is network unlocked. Is this true? If it is then why are people sometimes stating on eBay that only GSM will work and no DATA outside of Verizon and the US! (I live in Australia and this is obviously important)
I am seriously getting so confused because of mixed seller listings. Some people say it is factory unlocked and some people say it is locked to Verizon. What is the deal? Also if the phone has a bad ESN or they fail to make a payment later on down the track and it does become bad, does this mean it will stop working in Australia or is it solely based around US and Verizon in general?
About the seller on eBay, I have now been refunded my money for my recent transaction. The seller did not mention that the device didn't come with it's box, instructions, charger etc. He also has no intention of mentioning it because he has relisted it without even indicating it. He is just trying to get an international buyer to deal with it is my guess. It was just a handset and a case. Very misleading, I am lucky that I confirmed with him just before he was selling it. It was one of those buy it nows that need to be paid upfront.
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I get that it's not a Nexus 4 and it's around $100 more off contract. I also get that the GS3 has more brand awareness, but this is a really awesome phone. I actually think the LG skin is good and adds a lot of functionality over stock Android.
I have a GS3, Note II, iPhone 5, and Lumia 920. This is my favorite phone out of all of them. The screen, feel in the hand, speed, and software touches make it almost a perfect device. Battery life has been good and my only real complaint is that the camera could have been better.
So what's holding it back? Marketing? I know LG has stumbled in the past, but this is not one of those times. I honestly probably wouldn't have even thought to buy the phone if not for the article about Consumer Reports rating it above the iPhone 5 and GS3 in customer satisfaction. I had to see what it was about and fell in love with it right away in the store.
As it stands, I couldn't recommend this phone more highly to people on AT&T who want an Android phone. I would definitely recommend it over the GS3, and that's saying a lot. The lack of activity in these forums, along with the sparse development tells me that it's definitely not getting into enough hands, and that's unfortunate.
LG's has a rather tarnished reputation as far as smartphone is concerned, they've had long lines of disappointing and mediocre mid-tier releases over the years plus poor record of software updates. Even with a phone like OG, it's going to take awhile to reboot their image.
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LG's has a rather tarnished reputation as far as smartphone is concerned, they've had long lines of disappointing and mediocre mid-tier releases over the years plus poor record of software updates. Even with a phone like OG, it's going to take awhile to reboot their image.
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Nuff Said.
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It's got 1M users, so I'd say it's selling well for a phone not made by Apple, Samsung, or HTC.
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It's got 1M users, so I'd say it's selling well for a phone not made by Apple, Samsung, or HTC.
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That's definitely encouraging, but it could be much better and the forums are a ghost town comparatively.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_briefly_makes_it_2nd_top_phone_manufacturer_in_the_us-news-5371.php
I've not been a great fan of LG until this phone. I briefly considered that 3d camera phone from 2011 on AT&T that LG made, but ultimately chose the SII (and I made the right choice; I was one more f-ed up phone from buying an iphone). This phone impressed me in reviews and in stores (the demos blew me away). I chose it against the SIII and the One X and other flagship phones due to it matching what I wanted. I loved most of the SIII, but I hated that it had a physical home button. The one x seemed nice, but I didn't like non expandable storage and an unremovable battery. The only thing I had against the LGOG was the battery being built in; however, everything else about it sold me. I feel that LG has finally made a phone worth it (2 phones counting the Nexus), and have the potential to beat Samsung. However, this is an uphill battle for LG. I personally have known people to pick the SIII just because Samsung is the most widely known. LG will have to fight against that in order to be purchased. Plus, people are more impressed by expensive phones, and sometimes buy the expensive ones because they assume those are the best. I really think that that, oddly enough, is also contributing to the LGOG having slightly lower sales numbers.
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LG has a fight with Samsung due to name recognition, and price drops may have had a negative effect. Many customers don't research phones thoroughly, and buy from a certain brand, or the expensive ones (because you get what you pay for).
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I'm happy for getting the phone for only $49, but I can't grasp the reason behind the price drop. OG is their only qualified flagship in years yet they are on sale at the price point of low-end giveaways. Granted it's probably just weekend promo but still, I find it odd to lower the price to this range in a non-holiday season.
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I'm happy for getting the phone for only $49, but I can't grasp the reason behind the price drop. OG is their only qualified flagship in years yet they are on sale at the price point of low-end giveaways. Granted it's probably just weekend promo but still, I find it odd to lower the price to this range in a non-holiday season.
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I think the reasoning behind the price drop is building for the future, if you get your best phone in as many hands possible, the people who by it recommend the brand to others and are more likely to buy lg in the future when its time to upgrade.
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I think the reasoning behind the price drop is building for the future, if you get your best phone in as many hands possible, the people who by it recommend the brand to others and are more likely to buy lg in the future when its time to upgrade.
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I know if any of my friends are looking into a new phone I will put in a good word for the OG. And that is funny because when it came out I originally looked at it and then went "Nah, I still want the One X."
By the time I was able to upgrade, the One X+ was out, at double the price of the OG and I didn't want an outdated phone. Now I'm not saying the One X isn't good, it had just already been replaced by a refresher phone.
I am soo happy with this phone.
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I know if any of my friends are looking into a new phone I will put in a good word for the OG. And that is funny because when it came out I originally looked at it and then went "Nah, I still want the One X."
By the time I was able to upgrade, the One X+ was out, at double the price of the OG and I didn't want an outdated phone. Now I'm not saying the One X isn't good, it had just already been replaced by a refresher phone.
I am soo happy with this phone.
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The Tegra 3 isn't all that great for speed or battery and I can't stand HTC's broken multitasking.
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The Tegra 3 isn't all that great for speed or battery and I can't stand HTC's broken multitasking.
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Half of the reason I made this decision.
I had a Sony Xperia X10 with an ancient 1Ghz snapdragon and then got an Asus Transformer with a Tegra 2...
So I was impressed more by Nvidia/Tegra at the time than Qualcomm/Snapdragon (I know, completely unfair).
But I had been reading everywhere that the S4 Pro was a beast and much better than Tegra 3s.
I don't like Sense anyways and I would have had a custom ROM, so the multitasking wasn't a big deal.
We have an extra gig of RAM to play with too. :highfive:
could it possibly be that the talk of the optimus g pro is throw the prices so low and being released soon.
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could it possibly be that the talk of the optimus g pro is throw the prices so low and being released soon.
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Doubt it. If the price stays low in states, doesn't bode well with G launch in Europe, unless LG do a dual tier launch of G & G Pro at the same time, but that's a remote possibility given G is set for March release in EU region.
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could it possibly be that the talk of the optimus g pro is throw the prices so low and being released soon.
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There's always something else around the corner. The Pro is likely months from hitting the U. S. on any carrier.
In all honesty, I'd still choose the G. I prefer the size and the 200mhz overclock would hardly be noticeable.
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There's always something else around the corner. The Pro is likely months from hitting the U. S. on any carrier.
In all honesty, I'd still choose the G. I prefer the size and the 200mhz overclock would hardly be noticeable.
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Completely agree. And it won't be long until we are able to overclock our phones too.
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There's always something else around the corner. The Pro is likely months from hitting the U. S. on any carrier.
In all honesty, I'd still choose the G. I prefer the size and the 200mhz overclock would hardly be noticeable.
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As I've heard before, "Don't chase technology 'cause you'll lose."
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Completely agree. And it won't be long until we are able to overclock our phones too.
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Not to mention that 1080p display will require more processing power making the speed difference negligible.
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Speaking critically of the android community for a brief second..
As much as people criticize Apple fans for putting too much value in brand name, a lot of Android fans are really overly zealous Samsung fanboys.
I won't say it's a bad brand or that the phones they make aren't nice.. But, taking a stroll to the Android subreddit you will find a lot of rabid Samsung fanboyism.
We hear less criticism of Samsung these days because they are just that popular.. still I remember as though it were yesterday people wouldn't shut up about how cheap the phones felt, how horrible various aspects of touchwiz were..
And sadly a lot of people won't even consider the LG OG because it's not Samsung.. but, if Samsung were to incorporate some of the LGOG features people would rave over it. I can see it now... slipping the LGOG specs and skin into a Samsung shell and hearing people brag and brag and act as though it Samsung were curing cancer.
Outside of that, honestly at $350 the N4 makes a hell of a deal. Even if you had a contract but, would like to keep your service without signing up for another 2 years would be a nice option.
Besides all of that? Well your average customer is told what to buy really. Speaking as a salesman I can tell you, if you don't know what you are buying, I'll be happy to tell you. (Granted I no longer work in sales but, it was a lesson learned.)
Edit: one final thought. I don't care because I'm honestly just that happy with it..... but, we still don't have an official cm10 port and that hurts us big time.