http://www.phonearena.com/news/Mystery-HTC-Ice-Cream-Sandwich-phone-for-Verizon-surfaces_id26776
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I don't like the rosie but hopefully we can get that ported over even if just to get the 50 gb dropbox
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I don't like the rosie but hopefully we can get that ported over even if just to get the 50 gb dropbox
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Well, I think they'll probably keep the same idea going with the HTC hub that allows you to get the themes and change the Rosie style.
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Oh! HTC... Why? Why? Why? Why are you hell bent on making Sense 4 - so ugly???
I am/was one of the lovers of "Sense" but if the above is true... you should as well call it "NonSense"!!
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Oh! HTC... Why? Why? Why? Why are you hell bent on making Sense 4 - so ugly???
I am/was one of the lovers of "Sense" but if the above is true... you should as well call it "NonSense"!!
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really?? i think it looks pretty slick
cobraboy85 said:
really?? i think it looks pretty slick
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Compared to Stock ICS? No offense, but I don't think so.
I agree Sense was better than Stock Froyo or GB...
Again, I might be jumping too early... maybe I'll have a change of mind once I do some hands-on with actual Sense 4. Till then, my opinion -- Don't like it.
actually, yes compared to stock ICS as seen on the GN, i totally agree... a complete eye-sore...
but it is definitely a great looking sense UI. i mean really what did you expect from HTC who's main platform has been sense? you will never see a nexus looking UI from them. haha
Specs are the same as ours basically. Plus it has capacitive buttons which ics doesnt need. HTC is failing to me. Plus all HTC phones look the same. Where is the variety?
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really dont all devices kind of look the same? i mean really. rly.
look at the sgs2, galaxy nexus, OG nexus...
look at the motorola line... atrix, photon, atrix 2...
iphone... self explanatory.
they all have the same basic design, with small cosmetic features that make them unique. in the end it's going to be a rectangle with a screen on it... not quite sure why it matters
I hope they give an option, either use sense or use stock ics launcher.
Making Sense ugly gives us something to do..
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and I wish it was quad core..
It may be just me but I personally am getting kinda sick of the phones with the bumpouts on them...Id much rather them make the battery bigger and have the back of the phone completely flush...
just my 2cents on that aspect. I honestly dont care for the 4.0 launcher as it looks like they took a step back from the look of 3.5 launcher imho.
When I looked at images I couldn't help but wonder if it (Sense) is a WIP build.
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When I looked at images I couldn't help but wonder if it (Sense) is a WIP build.
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The fact that it has 4 buttons should question the date of this build alone. HTC said they were going with 3 buttons in the future.
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I hope they give an option, either use sense or use stock ics launcher.
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Yes... that would be the best of both worlds but I don't think the current config would allow that (or at least it might make the phone damn slow).
Alright, enough now -- lets start discussing once HTC comes out with Sense 4.
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Yes... that would be the best of both worlds but I don't think the current config would allow that (or at least it might make the phone damn slow).
Alright, enough now -- lets start discussing once HTC comes out with Sense 4.
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I don't think it would be slow. On the evo 4G when it had Froyo, HTC included the stock launcher.
Thoroughly unimpressed. I've always loved HTC but I'm really starting to rethink that opinion.
HTC is General Motors of phones. Remember when GM used the same car for each division and only distinguished them by making slight differences between say a pontiac, chevrolet, and buick.....well HTC is doing this for their entire lineup between carriers. This new Verizon phone is nothing more than a 3d with ICS, a slight cosmetic change, and without 3d capabilities..... That business decision didn't work out well for GM and it wont for HTC either.
It really kind of reminds me of the GTX Theme on the Touch Pro 2. Some of you guys are probably too young to remember, LOL
went and dug it out of the closet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592584
and this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=666636
Actually both of those are better looking then what HTC is designing now..
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Thoroughly unimpressed. I've always loved HTC but I'm really starting to rethink that opinion.
HTC is General Motors of phones. Remember when GM used the same car for each division and only distinguished them by making slight differences between say a pontiac, chevrolet, and buick.....well HTC is doing this for their entire lineup between carriers. This new Verizon phone is nothing more than a 3d with ICS, a slight cosmetic change, and without 3d capabilities..... That business decision didn't work out well for GM and it wont for HTC either.
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S4 chip big difference there alone....
troyboytn said:
Thoroughly unimpressed. I've always loved HTC but I'm really starting to rethink that opinion.
HTC is General Motors of phones. Remember when GM used the same car for each division and only distinguished them by making slight differences between say a pontiac, chevrolet, and buick.....well HTC is doing this for their entire lineup between carriers. This new Verizon phone is nothing more than a 3d with ICS, a slight cosmetic change, and without 3d capabilities..... That business decision didn't work out well for GM and it wont for HTC either.
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This is not very close to really use as an analogy. The only reason why it didn't work for GM was because of the recession. They offered the same vehicle under different companies with minor changes, but the same internals. And they catered to multiple budgets.
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I don't get it. Why does HTC make gingerbread available for some phones so quick and others (THUNDERBOLT) have to wait so dang long to get the official release? Are each of their phones that different and that complex that making a stable and bugfree version takes that much effort? It hurts to know HTC, Google, and Verizon can't get their act together faster. I still love all three companies though...yes i actually love google and verizon.
Anybody else have a rant to want to put down concerning the thunderbolt or gingerbread?
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I don't get it. Why does HTC make gingerbread available for some phones so quick and others (THUNDERBOLT) have to wait so dang long to get the official release? Are each of their phones that different and that complex that making a stable and bugfree version takes that much effort? It hurts to know HTC, Google, and Verizon can't get their act together faster. I still love all three companies though...yes i actually love google and verizon.
Anybody else have a rant to want to put down concerning the thunderbolt or gingerbread?
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Yes...Thunderbolt in particular seems to be a beast of a different color.
Although, I'm positive that isn't the entire reason they roll out slowly. OTAs that roll out must be majorly checked from every angle since one minor problem could force them to replace thousands of devices for free (since they are forced) not to mention the damage to their reputation, support, etc. Add on the stipulations carriers have and their customizations and time really adds up.
Well usually verizon takes forever to approved builds to.make sire they don't have bugs, EVO got a high update and they have to release another shortly after and the cost money, the dinc 2 got theirs cause it got an European brother and it had more time to be refine , and the thunderbolt who knows I just one sense 2.1 and no buggy update, as long as we get ice cream update in timely manner I'm good or if we get a nexus phone with LTE I'm swicthcing for sure
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I don't get why people complain when they have a stable build now or have the option to root? Why complain about what the others have?
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I don't get why people complain when they have a stable build now or have the option to root? Why complain about what the others have?
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It's human nature. Watch two monkeys, give one a banana, give the other nothing. Watch the second monkey's reaction.
Well, I for one would like to see a good leak or formal release of GB because the current leak sucks. Yeah, some devs have made some great headway in making it usable, but starting from a base that functions properly would bring a very novel thing to the Tbolt.... stability!
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I don't get it. Why does HTC make gingerbread available for some phones so quick and others (THUNDERBOLT) have to wait so dang long to get the official release? Are each of their phones that different and that complex that making a stable and bugfree version takes that much effort? It hurts to know HTC, Google, and Verizon can't get their act together faster. I still love all three companies though...yes i actually love google and verizon.
Anybody else have a rant to want to put down concerning the thunderbolt or gingerbread?
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Google really has nothing to do with this. They have already put out 2.3. It's now up to HTC to Sense it up and get the build to Verizon, and then up to Verizon to bloat the crap out of it, and then check for bugs.
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It's human nature.
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yep, sure is. BUT!
akanatrix said:
Watch two monkeys, give one a banana, give the other nothing. Watch the second monkey's reaction.
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you used monkeys to make an example of "human nature"
/no flame
/just thought it was funny
/I lol'd
/no evolution argument
obededom said:
yep, sure is. BUT!
you used monkeys to make an example of "human nature"
/no flame
/just thought it was funny
/I lol'd
/no evolution argument
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As you said, no evolution talk. ^_^
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obededom said:
you used monkeys to make an example of "human nature"
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AH, crap, I wasn't the first to notice this!
Loved the irony and malaprop. Plus, everyone is a monkey when they go into the voting booth.
Could the wait for Gingerbread have something to do with the 4G radio?
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Could the wait for Gingerbread have something to do with the 4G radio?
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The complexity of having the 3G and 4G in separate chips might have something to do with it.
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The complexity of having the 3G and 4G in separate chips might have something to do with it.
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I doubt it the EVO 4G got their update already.and got froyo in no time when it came out and it has 2 radios too
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I doubt it the EVO 4G got their update already.and got froyo in no time when it came out and it has 2 radios too
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Can't compare wimax to lte. Wimax is basically just wifi on steroids and uses the same implimentation as normal wifi with a few modifications. LTE however is a whole new protocol that's totally different than anything previously on a verizon phone.
Gingerbread?
Yeah I'm getting pissed that they haven't released 2.3 for the tbolt yet. Also, apparently HTC isn't going to release the new Sense (3.0?) for any of their phones that are already out! wtf?! So i'm considering rooting my phone. ive heard you can get gingerbread and the new sense by doing so, however ive never rooted before. Any chance someone could clue me in if there are solid working versions of 2.3 and the new sense out there? is the rooting worth the risk? should i just wait untill the tbolt officially gets 2.3 to root for the new sense? any insight would be great!
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Yeah I'm getting pissed that they haven't released 2.3 for the tbolt yet. Also, apparently HTC isn't going to release the new Sense (3.0?) for any of their phones that are already out! wtf?! So i'm considering rooting my phone. ive heard you can get gingerbread and the new sense by doing so, however ive never rooted before. Any chance someone could clue me in if there are solid working versions of 2.3 and the new sense out there? is the rooting worth the risk? should i just wait untill the tbolt officially gets 2.3 to root for the new sense? any insight would be great!
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The "risk" is miniscule if you just read and follow directions
use my sticky http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168433 to figure out what you need.
Yeah, been wondering that myself?
I have always been a little confused by some people that by and HTC phone. You see it in every HTC phone forum. People by the latest and greatest HTC phone just to get rid of Sense. You know going into buying an HTC phone it has Sense but you don't like it. Why not just wait for the GNEX? I had an ERIS. I understand trying to get every inch of speed out of your phone. This phone doesn't need that. With the Eris I even ran a Sense based ROM because it just seemed to actually be the smoothest thing to run on it. This phone was built for Sense. It just needs to be optimized and tweaked a little. On my ERIS I flashed pretty much every ROM made for that guy. Always went back to Sense. Just felt right. But if I didn't like Sense, I would have never bought this phone. I am just trying to get some feedback from the rest of you guys/girls to get a better understanding of this trend.
Well in my case I got the sensation because it was dual core. Solid screen size and it was out about 6 months before the gs2. I never had much of a problem with sense other than the fact that it's a ram hog. I would imagine people buy HTC products because of the hardware.
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So that you have less programs taking resources from other programs.
HTC makes good hardware. Up until they started being strict about locking the bootloader, you get the phone for the hardware, design (prefer theirs over Samsung), you could buy the phone and put other roms on there that are faster. Nexus phones are good only because of the software, but hardware wise its usually a little behind. So if you could put the same software on better hardware, its a better option.
Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
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Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
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Gary13579 said:
Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
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What do you find an "abomination"/"****ty"? I just find that most people end up running a CM ROM then re-sense it with second had apps or built in features of the launchers they are using.
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Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
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I have run different launchers. I actually did before I my OP. I personally didn't feel like that phone was super "snappier" or that battery changed much. Battery has been more of a screen/radios issue. I have been averaging 16 hours with normal use on the regular battery.
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I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
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Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
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squidder said:
Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
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That's like buying a new car for the the power train only. There is going to be something comparable to the rezound in no time. If you hate HTC's twist on android why support them by buying there phone? Business see numbers, if they are selling their phones like hot cakes they think you pretty much like the overall phone. They are gonna just keep expanding and refining sense.
HTC isn't suddenly going to stop using Sense because I didn't buy their phones (which, btw, I've already stopped doing, samsung > *), and if we think that sense is total **** (which it is), why shouldn't we remove it? We're not paying for the OS, we're paying for the phone.
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Gary13579 said:
I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
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I understand the whole being able to fully customize to your liking. That's why I am asking, iF you have such a hate for Sense why would you financially support what they are putting out? I also understand your a dev so you love linux and the more pure android experience. Would you buy and iPhone if you like the specs on it? I hate apple products personally, if their specs on somthing was awesome and I could change their OS to my liking I still would not but and apple product!
Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
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I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
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Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
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It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
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LOL, sorry for bringing apple into it! I totally agree for the most part HTC makes solid phones. Thats the main reason I buy them also. I have sammy tv's but I have had nothing but problems with their phones.
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I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
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I see that. I just wanted to know why all the hate for sense. If it is so bad, why is their pretty much and app for everything that sense has?
Also I am laid off right now, so I have nothing better to do than start a thread about this. I knew there was going to be a bunch of hate directed blindly towards me for starting this but I honestly want to know why the hatred for sense.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what did!
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Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
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Did I use troll right? I don't usually use the little kid, tattle tell, words like noob, or troll.
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Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
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If you have never had a sense phone I could understand trying it. Thanks for posting what you don't like about it too. I am not against switching ROM's customizing to your liking. I am totally for it. Like you said if we are here we are tweakers at minimum. I was more questioning the people the first day it was out wanting s-off to get ride of sense. Then recently the desense utility came out. It just sparked my interest. Who knows when ICS comes out if I will still want sense myself.
We've all been wondering what will happen to Sense once we get the ICS update.
The honeycomb upgrade that the HTC Flyer got very recently gives us a clue:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2130153/htc-flyer-android-honeycomb-upgrade
Here's a video of the flyer with gingerbread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70y78sBtDbA
In gingerbread, the whole UI is tweaked and looks only slightly different from the one on phones.
The video of the Flyer with Honeycomb update:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2131567/htc-flyer-running-android-honeycomb-video-review
Notice how the UI is far less modified than the Sense in Gingerbread. The lockscreen is the same, but the rest of the UI nearly stock, except for the widgets, icons, and system apps.
From this I infer that once we get the ICS update, HTC Sense won't be as extensive as it is in Gingerbread, and we will actually have less of the Sense UI and more vanilla Android.
When it comes to their phones it will be sensed out..We can hope they don't mess it all up but they will..HTC isn't very established in the tablet market so they can experiment with what they think people want.Phones have been established so they will continue doing what they have always done...
This is just my opinion though..I wish they would just leave it alone and maybe add a few things
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the video you linked is the gingerbread os running on the flyer, not honeycomb
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the video you linked is the gingerbread os running on the flyer, not honeycomb
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My bad, I put the wrong link, just fixed the post.
It is not like HTC is lacking in sales due to to Sense. People continue to buy their phones so why would they think people do not want it.
I am sure for non-tech people who buy an HTC phone, Sense makes things a lot easier for them and they do not even know what Sense means.
Ask an HTC phone owner who is not into modding their phone what they think of Sense. I am willing to bet they have no clue what you are even talking about.
So they straight up disabled the buttons on the tablet with the honeycomb update. Damn i hope they dont do that for our ICS update. talk about losing screen real estate by adding a row on the screen for the buttons!
so besides the sense widget clock, and the sense lockscreen, what was "Sense" on that tablet?? to me looked like straight Honeycomb for most part.
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So they straight up disabled the buttons on the tablet with the honeycomb update. Damn i hope they dont do that for our ICS update. talk about losing screen real estate by adding a row on the screen for the buttons!
so besides the sense widget clock, and the sense lockscreen, what was "Sense" on that tablet?? to me looked like straight Honeycomb for most part.
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Disable my capacitive buttons? HTC better not do something so stupid.
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Disable my capacitive buttons? HTC better not do something so stupid.
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Yeah the flyers were a lil more hidden than ours r so I hope they don't do that for us.
Plus I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere Google released a notice to help manufacturers for putting ICS on devices that have buttons now.
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It is not like HTC is lacking in sales due to to Sense. People continue to buy their phones so why would they think people do not want it.
I am sure for non-tech people who buy an HTC phone, Sense makes things a lot easier for them and they do not even know what Sense means.
Ask an HTC phone owner who is not into modding their phone what they think of Sense. I am willing to bet they have no clue what you are even talking about.
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That was my dad's reaction when I ask him about it. I started laughing.
I do hope the HTC sticks to the vanilla ICS interface for the EVO 3D, maybe adding a few widgets and all. I prefer that much more than Sense and I don't really mind them disabling the capacitive buttons.
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I dont think that will be OK with majority of users...
I would sell this phone the minute a galaxy nexus variant for sprint would come out if they made the capacitive buttons obsolete so soon
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am i the only person that actually likes sense??
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am i the only person that actually likes sense??
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said it before ill say it again
Sense looks good on the outside, but ugly on the inside. .
Kinda like a stripper
I like the some of the things it can do vs AoSP or TW.. . But the Rosie is useless and ugly. Its a ram hog and leaves/has footprints in almost every part of the OS
I think its a bit of overkill IMO
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am i the only person that actually likes sense??
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na im a fan bud but personally they included a lot of sense features in ICS. The only thing ICS doesn't have is the Sense widgets and such really.
I don't mind sense either but they load it down with way to Much memory eating garbage. No reason for a stock Evo3D with the hardware inside to run the way it does..Load up a senseless ROM and ADW and this thing screams
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So they straight up disabled the buttons on the tablet with the honeycomb update. Damn i hope they dont do that for our ICS update. talk about losing screen real estate by adding a row on the screen for the buttons!
so besides the sense widget clock, and the sense lockscreen, what was "Sense" on that tablet?? to me looked like straight Honeycomb for most part.
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It makes sense for them to do this on a tablet. Honeycomb is designed to be used from any screen orientation, whereas the buttons are only good for one. Secondly, on honeycomb the status bar is also the button bar, no screen real estate is lost by having the buttons on something that is there anyway. Leaving the capacitive buttons enabled enables false presses without much benefit.
For a phone, the primary orientation is landscape and the buttons aren't on the status bar. Thus there is no reason to even use on screen buttons on a device that has capacitive buttons already. The galaxy nexus has to have a 16:9 screen which allows the buttons to be there without cutting down real estate compared to other phones.
I could not be any more certain that the capacitive buttons will not be disabled in ICS. Also, the thing that bugs me the most about Sense besides the fact that it hogs ram and decreases the performance of the device is how deep its roots are in the OS, such as the fact that the drivers for autostereoscopy rely on the Sense framework, so AOSP roms don't have 3D and may not until 3D support becomes stock for Android, at which point the Evo 3D will probably be a legacy device or obsolete.
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That was my dad's reaction when I ask him about it. I started laughing.
I do hope the HTC sticks to the vanilla ICS interface for the EVO 3D, maybe adding a few widgets and all. I prefer that much more than Sense and I don't really mind them disabling the capacitive buttons.
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nate420 said:
I dont think that will be OK with majority of users...
I would sell this phone the minute a galaxy nexus variant for sprint would come out if they made the capacitive buttons obsolete so soon
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Woah, slow the hell down people. HTC isn't that stupid! (surprising right?). There NOT going to disable out capacitive buttons!!! ICS, unlike Honeycomb, can be used with our without capacitive buttons. They wont disable the buttons and put them onscreen if they don't have to, that's retarted.
But anyway, I like the idea of a less intrusive sense. I bet it won't happen however. They never really put much effort into sense for tablets, but on phones its their trademark. Sense widgets on a stockish system sounds really good, but w/e we'll have cm9 by them
I just hope they make it so sense widgets work in other launchers, like make them part of the system instead of the launcher. I really hate the rosie launcher, it just seems so stupid if I get a replacement launcher I can't even use the stock music widget.
The thing I disliked the most about sense is there wasn't really any customization. You HAD to have 5 screens. No more no less. And it's so baked in that if you use a different lockscreen you have to unlock and put in your password if you want to answer a call
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HTC Dialer sucks. It will be highly desirable to replace it with aosp ones. There is currently no one working on it. I am surprise.
crazypotato said:
HTC Dialer sucks. It will be highly desirable to replace it with aosp ones. There is currently no one working on it. I am surprise.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Folks, quit peeing in Binarys cereal... dammit
zPacKRat said:
Folks, quit peeing in Binarys cereal... dammit
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Oatmeal. I don't eat cereal. I eat oatmeal.
Quite a few decent dialers out there. There are even a few on XDA....
This one is free on the market and has a presence on XDA with themes as well. It's rated highly.
https://market.android.com/details?id=kz.mek.DialerOne&hl=en
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Quite a few decent dialers out there. There are even a few on XDA....
This one is free on the market and has a presence on XDA with themes as well. It's rated highly.
https://market.android.com/details?id=kz.mek.DialerOne&hl=en
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I like this one better, I tried dialer one, now I use exDialer, its awesome AND themable.
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tb2Rvb2h1dC5kaWFsZXIiXQ..
currently I have the ICS theme, I'm just loving it
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I like this one better, I tried dialer one, now I use exDialer, its awesome AND themable.
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tb2Rvb2h1dC5kaWFsZXIiXQ..
currently I have the ICS theme, I'm just loving it
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I'm not a critic of the original dialer, nor am I a fan.. but the ics theme looked good enough I am giving it a try, thanks for pointing it out, nice find It IS good that it has a contacts replacement, I DO HATE the htc contacts!
Silentbtdeadly said:
I'm not a critic of the original dialer, nor am I a fan.. but the ics theme looked good enough I am giving it a try, thanks for pointing it out, nice find It IS good that it has a contacts replacement, I DO HATE the htc contacts!
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yea with the stock sense dialer its was hard to get to my faves, but this one makes it much easier combining the goodness of snese ui dialer with the goodness of AOSP dialer, and ICS theme looks great.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Amen to that ! If you want the AOSP look... get a non HTC device and leave us, HTC and HTC Sense lovers, alone! hehe
NRGZ28 said:
Amen to that ! If you want the AOSP look... get a non HTC device and leave us, HTC and HTC Sense lovers, alone! hehe
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theoretically what if I like everything about the amaze besides sense UI?... I love the camera, design, build quality, screen, speed, 42mb hsdpa, etc...there are not other phones on t-mobile or other carriers that come close to this phone, or that i like that come AOSP. the only phones with true AOSP are the google flagship phones, and probably G2x and I can't think of other ones.
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theoretically what if I like everything about the amaze besides sense UI?... I love the camera, design, build quality, screen, speed, 42mb hsdpa, etc...there are not other phones on t-mobile or other carriers that come close to this phone, or that i like that come AOSP. the only phones with true AOSP are the google flagship phones, and probably G2x and I can't think of other ones.
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
No I want the 454 big block blower
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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you're assuming that sense is a 8 cylinder engine and aosp is a 4 cylinder engine. In terms of cars you have the choice of getting a regular mustang which looks the same, can get all the same interior features of the car, but with a different engine...this is not possible with phones...analogy is not the same...I'm not saying I hate or like sense, as I've said before there are parts I like and parts I don't like...but trying to create a compelling argument.
If I wanted an AOSP device on T-mobile, my only choice would be a G2X. I'd rather get the better phone and sacrifice things I don't like about sense than get a older crappy phone like the G2X...all I'm saying is that options are very limited when it comes to AOSP. you cannot make the same analogy for cars.
I myself don't like sense, touchwiz, nor the True AOSP. In my personal opinion, there are a lot of things about sense UI that slow the phone down and also drain the battery, the interface however looks great and has many neat features. Touchwiz is a piece of crap but it is lighter so it doesn't bog down the system as much. I was using CM for the longest time and was very happy. I am not a big fan of True AOSP either, I actually like a modified and more customizable yet light, version of AOSP. In my opinion this is why CM has been so successful. I'm sure xboarder's release will be amazing and make a lot of people happy on this forum. everyone has personal preferences and it's is not fair to say they should have gotten a different phone, since there are no other options...believe me after my nexus one, the nexus s pissed me off, cause it was not a big upgrade...and I waited another year for the next nexus, galaxy nexus, which also didn't impress me. I knew I wanted a good camera on my phone, fast, a better screen, and as you know at first I went with samsung galaxy s II, but hated everything about it. I can happily live with my phone with a 3rd party launcher lockscreen and dialer for the next two years...so I'm not complaining at all.
I understand when people come and complain when the AOSP from xboarder is going to be released, it get's frustrating. But I don't regret this is the decision I made based on the availabe phones on the market and I'm not one bit unhappy about it...doesn't mean I wouldn't be happier with a different rom that is more AOSP like, that is why we have XDA right? so we can have options in terms of roms, kernels, and more control of how we like to customize our phones. That is why we unlocked it and possibly voided warranty.
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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looks is a matter of opinion , besides I usually run 3rd party launchers anyways...with 3rd party lockscreens and 3rd party dialers!!! I just don't like a lot of sense stuff bogging down my system...although this is easily taken care of in Titanium backup, i usually freeze stuff...like i said its not a biggie...everyone has their own preference...I'd rather run 3rd party things on a lighter system, Sense has some great features for me and some that I care not about...again personal preference...I get it you guys are big sense fans , I guess what I'm trying to get at atleast for me I wish I was a developer myself and could make a rom to my own liking lol...things I want from sense and things I don't want...and I'm sure its not as easy as i just described it...People come in to the office and ask to put gold crowns on their perfectly healthy teeth!!! do I agree with it? NO, its retarded and as a doctor i know it can jeopardize the integrity, lifespan and durability of the tooth...Do I still do this for them? yes, its their choice, and I explain everything to them and make them sign papers and make detailed notes about the situation...ultimately everyone has personal opinions about everything...It's not fair to shoot down people's opinions, just respect them...some people love tattooing their body and having lots of piercings, would I do that? NO. would I become friends with someone like that, absolutely...eh enough ranting...to each their own I guess...
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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Ford kinda did that with the SVO in the early 80's
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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In the auto enthusiast world we call that a "sleeper". Usually it just means a highly modified car that you didn't MAKE look like it is highly modified. Not everyone wants to look like the fast and the furious.. but I think we are getting off topic a bit now.
I kind of understand why someone would want some AOSP goodness.. I replaced the launcher, the dialer, the contacts menu, and I'm happy. Sense is still there, I'll bet you it is still taking up processor, bogging things down, when I don't really like the majority of it. I am all about trying to create a custom look/feel, and AOSP for me would just mean there isn't a lot of extra bling/extras in the background I don't even use.
If I could modify the number of tiles on the stock launcher, theme it and dialer/contacts, change the dock(more buttons), change the screen animations.. then I wouldn't mind the sense part so much
Let's try this again:
One of the more interesting announcements from our beloved manufacturer at MWC 2012 was that they admit that Sense had become too cluttered and ask us to expect a much leaner design in 4.0
http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/2/2840336/htc-sense-ui-got-cluttered-redesign
This is promising, because it demonstrates that your voice is heard.
I wonder if they decided this since their sales have been going down, people speak with their wallets, and that's when companies take notice.
There is a whole thread on this already that ended up getting locked.
Dead horse...
krelvinaz said:
There is a whole thread on this already that ended up getting locked.
Dead horse...
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Actually I think there can be decent discussion. The old thread was effectively stating HTC admits sense is crap which wasn't true. This thread is true. Cluttered !=crap.
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Dead horse...
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totally agree.
hopefully we get some rams to spare
qudwis said:
hopefully we get some rams to spare
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RAM to spare is not how Android works. If you have too much spare RAM in Android then your apps aren't loading effectively. OT, I didn't think Sense was cluttered. I just didn't like the way it used screen real estate. The newer Sense 3.6 is more to my liking. But to me if you're going to take out the traditional Sense launcher then why not just go AOSP plus Sense widgets?
yeah the way in which the op of this thread posted this was in a mature, intellectual manner that can spark a true discussion, unlike the other thread.
I love sense, but yeah i agree sense 3.5 seems much more hoggish than 2 did, and of course 1. it'll be cool to see what's up their sleeves for 4.0,even though I love 3.5
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krelvinaz said:
There is a whole thread on this already that ended up getting locked.
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I respectfully disagree. The OP's intentions in the other thread were to deliberately cause turmoil to people that actually enjoyed Sense, which, inevitably, lead to a flame war.
The OP in here realized that and actually said, "Let's try this again." His intentions are to try to have a nice discussion about the subject.
To add to the topic, I'm sure the new Sense will be a lot less resource intensive and I hope it will be as quick as some AOSP ROMS. I like some aspects of Sense on the Rezound, but it really does consume way too many resources.
I really like the Weather and **** Widget and that was one of the things I missed on my Incredible when I moved to AOSP ROMS. Also I liked the Dialer a lot, too. Sense 3.5 does make things "look" a lot nicer compared to AOSP, but I do agree they have "cluttered" it way too much in Sense 3.5
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I really like the Weather and **** Widget and that was one of the things I missed on my Incredible when I moved to AOSP ROMS. Also I liked the Dialer a lot, too. Sense 3.5 does make things "look" a lot nicer compared to AOSP, but I do agree they have "cluttered" it way too much in Sense 3.5
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Haven't found that widget yet..
godsmacked4653 said:
Haven't found that widget yet..
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Lol I wouldn't want a **** widget.
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Does that widget come with a Ron Jeremy skin? I'll never get my phone away from my wife.....
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
Those afflicted with Choice Supportive Bias may be uncomfortable with any criticism of a product they purchased, but xda is perfectly capable of this discussion.
This announcement has me more excited about Sense 4.0 because rather than loading it with more features, like most updates, they might actually be slimming it down! I'm hoping for smoother window and transition animations, as a result.
txkorm said:
Does that widget come with a Ron Jeremy skin? I'll never get my phone away from my wife.....
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LOL, this post made me laugh my a** off (I'm still chuckling)
I met Ron once (they actually had him as a guest speaker at my Son's college)
SamXp said:
Those afflicted with Choice Supportive Bias may be uncomfortable with any criticism of a product they purchased, but xda is perfectly capable of this discussion.
This announcement has me more excited about Sense 4.0 because rather than loading it with more features, like most updates, they might actually be slimming it down! I'm hoping for smoother window and transition animations, as a result.
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once again, its a phone, not a 30k car. If you don't like sense, shouldn't have bought the phone. Expecting an htc phone to not have sense is ignorant at best considering every android htc phone has it.
Have you guys tried out the sense 4 ports? It's absolutely the best thing I've ever used on android, and I promise, I will do anything to the dev that gets it to daily driver first. :beer:
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username235 said:
Have you guys tried out the sense 4 ports? It's absolutely the best thing I've ever used on android, and I promise, I will do anything to the dev that gets it to daily driver first. :beer:
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what does sense 4 add over 3.6 that we have now in the leaks?
Regarding the OP:
Yeah, I am REALLY excited to see them changing their tune on this. It was pretty concerning to see the HTC guy at the CES roundtable so vehemently defending Sense ("It's not a skin, it's an experience").
I also don't hate Sense, but I do think there's a lot they can do to lighten it up and modernize it. Running an ICS ROM right now is pretty jarring as you transition between Sense and stock (Holo) apps and interface elements.
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once again, its a phone, not a 30k car. If you don't like sense, shouldn't have bought the phone. Expecting an htc phone to not have sense is ignorant at best considering every android htc phone has it.
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i don't agree with this really. i always buy htc but i hate sense. we usually always get aosp roms which are usually superior anyways. this phone will fly once we get cm9.
mighty_markus12 said:
i don't agree with this really. i always buy htc but i hate sense. we usually always get aosp roms which are usually superior anyways. this phone will fly once we get cm9.
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the phone already flies, it can't get any faster for me. Button presses are immediately recognized, I can scroll the home screen without lag.
The days of saying that sense is slowing down the phone are gone for me.