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Alright, was thinking of getting the Flyer but I don't know if I would want it without an AOSP build on it. I mean it's cool, but it seems that this tablet would look beautiful with ICS or just vanilla android in general. I like sense but not enough to have a tablet with it.
So, are the devs planning any work on ICS or is it a dead cause?
I can't speak for every developer, but I don't think you will get a lot of takers to put in the vast amount of time an effort to build yet another vanilla tablet ROM when the Sense widgets and Stylus APIs add quite a bit to the Flyer and for some Sense widgets, there are no equal replacement widgets on the market. why bother, if someone doesn't want to use the Sense widgets and launcher, just don't use them, they hurt nothing in the background. And you cannot build a true working AOSP ROM anyway because you are always dependent on the hardware vendors drivers and kernel.
Just run the Flyer with ADW EX launcher or Launcher Pro if you like it better. Works fine that way.
Ill just say that I am NOT a fan of sense in general. I would never want it on a phone and run cyanogen on my evo 4g. BUT it actually works really well on the flyer. I wasn't a big fan of the sense launcher, so I'm running adw, but all of the other sense apps really add functionality to the tablet.
I'm a Rom whore on phones, but I'm still running the stock software (2.3.4) on my flyer because of works so well.
Just get a flyer and enjoy what's in my opinion the best tab available by far.
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Although we do not have the strongest developer base ever. We still do have developers that do work hard for us. I'm not saying that we're going to have developers that will build ICS for us, but what I can say that it would not be a stretch to port ICS from DHD, G2/DZ, MT4G. I can say this because I have seen the GB flyer port to my G2 and it should not be hard to do it the other way around. So really we just need to wait until one of those phones gets ICS or if Cyanogen decides to build for us. We'll get it eventually it will just be a matter of when. The whole I like sense vs. I don't like sense argument does not apply here, because this is android and we will have a choice between the two. We'll most likely also get an HTC sense build of ICS from HTC, but that may take a little time.
while i am enjoying my flyer with homeycomb/sense i have to agree. as much as i love htc devices,i really hate htc sense. id very much like some sort of AOSP rom as well- it really surprised me to not see any cm7 ports,or even official cm support.
i personally dont use any sense widgets or apps. simply running a different launcher doesnt get rid of sense. you still have sense contacts,keyboard,email,etc. sure you can get 3rd party apps for all those things,but that makes the appready huge footprint of the sense rom even bigger.
AOSP seems smoother and faster on my other htc devices,and id prefer it on my flyer as well. id like to learn how to port roms to different devices,so i could have cm7,8,or 9
I would love to see ICS make its way onto the Flyer. But with how long it's taken HTC to give us a HC update, I'm relying more on Cyanogen than anything else.
Being a guy who is seriously considering this sexy tablet myself.
I have been wondering if there would be an ICS port although an official seems unlikely.
I don't "need" a tablet, but a device to read manga on and watch videos every so often would be nice.
This is the smoothest tablet I've ever seen (I like it more than any other tablet I've seen.. including ipad 2, galaxy tab ect ect)
Decided to get nook tablet instead.
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We're not talking about an OG phone here with limited memory. The Flyer has gob of memory. Sense runs great on the flyer. While It might make you "feel" better to think you are running an AoSP ROM, there's nothing that makes it perform better. I would never give up the Pen or email and other widgets that sense has that no one else has for a good feeling. It doesn't make Sense.
ICS seems to be a close relative of Honeycomb.
I am hoping that the delay in releasing HC for Flyer officially is that HC is being cancelled and work is instead shifiting to ICS.
From what I see of ICS, I would take it over HC with Sense.
My guess is that no one is working on an ICS Mod for us.
hm.. gotta agree... there is no point in getting a rom if you actually are losing functionality... kinda the opposite direction of what most people hope for.
Especially sine 2.3.4 is a pretty decent version.
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We're not talking about an OG phone here with limited memory. The Flyer has gob of memory. Sense runs great on the flyer. While It might make you "feel" better to think you are running an AoSP ROM, there's nothing that makes it perform better. I would never give up the Pen or email and other widgets that sense has that no one else has for a good feeling. It doesn't make Sense.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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I think you mean you've bought the wrong tablet.
You have to know HTC == Sense. Just don't buy HTC if you complain about Sense.
With all the ICS Alpha ports popping up these days, even on the HTC HD and such, I would not be surprised to see a repackage bootable of ICS for the Flyer soon. These came around for the Old color Nook in Honeycomb flavor, but never fully worked. The problem is they stay about about 70% working until HTC releases the ICS kernel and drivers. Nice to see how they look but things like camera, Bluetooth, video playback and phone don't work. Who knows? Maybe one of the tapped in developers can even patch together a working kernel from the current HTC source code. Since Google released the main OS source, things could get wild.
digital,you are correct,sdk ports rarely amount to anything useable and worthwhile. source code is needed to really get all the functionality.
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I think you mean you've bought the wrong tablet.
You have to know HTC == Sense. Just don't buy HTC if you complain about Sense.
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i know htc very well. i dont ever buy a device for the software it runs,since everything i own gets rooted and ROMed. i buy htc because i like the hardware,and i like the way they "work". i bought the flyer because i like messing with htc products.
lots of folks dont understand my fondness for htc,but my dislike of sense. as i stated,im enjoying my flyer very much with sensified HC. i dont mind sense in small doses , and and if AOSP roms were available,id prolly flip flop back and forth between them. not complaining,im not wishing i hadnt bought it. all i did was agree with the OP in that i also have a strong preference for AOSP.
again,nothing wrong with liking sense. nothing wrong with not liking it either.
Sense 4.0 for Android ICS in the works for 2012.
All quads from the HTC are going to feature Beats Audio. They are also to have HTC Sense 4.0
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sens...-to-battle-ones-from-Samsung-and-Asus_id23932
Snow_fox said:
Being a guy who is seriously considering this sexy tablet myself.
I have been wondering if there would be an ICS port although an official seems unlikely.
I don't "need" a tablet, but a device to read manga on and watch videos every so often would be nice.
This is the smoothest tablet I've ever seen (I like it more than any other tablet I've seen.. including ipad 2, galaxy tab ect ect)
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I enjoy reading manga on mine. The screen is very nice.
To each his own, but when you have a vast majority who bought this for what it is and not what it can be hacked to, you're pretty much in the minority. So if you want the latest and greatest vanilla that breaks functionality most of us want, then you better bone up on your development skills.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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This article claims that the Flyer will be shown by HTC in February running ICS.
Rumor has it that, in the coming months, HTC will unveil the first tablet underpinned by the new Nvidia Tegra 3 quad-core platform. It seems that the HTC quad-core tablet will be revealed at Mobile World Congress 2012, event that takes place in Barcelona, in late February. Of course, the information is not official, bit it seems that it’s coming from a source close to the situation. Anyway, a lot of things can change in three months. At the Catalonian event, HTC will also reveal the Flyer and Jetstream models with stylus support and running on Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich.
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That makes sense,honeycomb source code is a subset of ICS so most of the hard work is already done. Can't wait for stable HC. IcS Will come in due time.
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Not understanding all the Sense "hate" by people who know that it's HTC's trademark feature. Samsung has the Touchwiz and Motorola has their Motoblur...and HTC has Sense. But people talk about wanting a "pure Android experience"...What? The crappy basic icons that look as though a 5 yr old made them? What is a "pure Android experience" anyway? It's like buying a Mustang GT then *****ing about the GT and complaining to Ford that you want a "pure Mustang experience"...without the 5.0. If you want a "pure Android experience", why not purchase an LG Android device next time because they seem pretty basic instead of an HTC device with Sense. Isn't Sense the reason most of us were attracted to the device? We thought it was stylish and neat. It was the reason for me, anyway. The bottom line is that it just seems a bit ridiculous to purchase a device then complain about the devices main feature after KNOWING the feature is on the device. Hope those who compain about not wanting Sense on their HTC device find that "pure Android experience" they so desperately desire...let us know how it works out for ya. I personally like Sense and look forward to it's development. Cool story, eh?
Well....the borked bluetooth stack kinda sucks for one.
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Ok, not being a smartass, but what does that have to do with Sense? Wouldn't that be a device hardware issue? I really DON'T understand. I thought Sense was basically, in a nutchell, HTC's customization or am I off on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
"Pure Android Experience", meaning to have just the basic features."...People who want this, you guys have fun with your phones. (rolling eyes) May as well just go get an iPhone ;-)
Sense may look pretty, but it's one of the reasons why are stock batteries are awful!! I have 2 roms in the gsm thread, my senseless gingerdex and my gingerdex with sense.
My senseless rom gives me roughly 40-50% more battery life??? With the same kernel and setup on both.
There is about 70mb of sense related bloatware I removed.
I like the sense, however it's sluggish and slows down our phones.
Wait till you try a aosp rom the speed is scary fast, and I like to customize my phone, for me with sense gone, I have no choice but to roam the app market and completely create my own unique look.
Just my opinion
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Ok, not being a smartass, but what does that have to do with Sense? Wouldn't that be a device hardware issue? I really DON'T understand. I thought Sense was basically, in a nutchell, HTC's customization or am I off on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
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It has to do with Sense because it's Sense-specific. HTC uses some weird implementation of Bluetooth so it doesn't always work properly. AOSP roms don't have this issue, generally.
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HTC screwed up Bluetooth. These guys aren't making it up. Throw an AOSP ROM on the 3d and it sounds great. On sense it sounds like garbage.
That's my primary beef with sense. Fix Bluetooth or give us a standard AOSP rom
Ok, I get the battery and bluetooth issue. Thanks for your input guys. I've wanted to root my phone but I have HBOOT 1.5 and it seems to be just a hassle anymore in addition to not wanting to flash a ROM that doesn't have everything working, so screw it.
Im pretty sure the biggest feature of this phone is not sense and most likely is the 3d. wether or not thats the reason you bought it that is this phones mightiest point.
However neither of these are the reasons i bought this phone, i bought it cause it has a good hardware design and the specs are all top notch.
And yes I ABSOLUTELY despise Sense and its lack of customizability.
Sense is good for some people and bad for others. I personally love it, but I still run AOSP just as often as I do Sense. Options are never a bad thing, and Sense is maturing finely. The next generation should improve on battery life with quad cores and sleeker Sense versions.
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Well stated, Sora. I get it now. Thanks
I gotta say I prefer sense I like some of the features it has...
I would be running CM if they were pumpin roms out but due to the 3D part of the camera going away can't say I would be using it for long..
Anyway sense isn't bad has some ups and downs...
Samsung touch wiz sucks lol man I never liked it on the EPIC...
Never tried the Photon.. So I can't say much about it...
Been liking Fresh Rom battery life is great on it since most of the junk bloat was pulled..... No issues...
What bluetooth issue are you guys referring to? I use my jaybird freedoms and everything works great
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Personally I like sense, but it is far from perfect. Bluetooth is finnicky and doesn't work with a six axis controller, sense in general is a very obese implementation of android which generally slows everything down, the screen drivers seem very buggy, etc.
Generally everything works on it, but it's far from perfect. I have a feeling ICS will be a huge upgrade all around though as they've had plenty of time to refine everything for this hardware.
Gotta say this was enlightening. I have heard people show utter disdain for sense and didn't really know why. I like it myself but to each his own.
Sounds like OP is just pissed he's a 1.5'er. And don't ever compare a pure android experience to an iPhone. Shame on you
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My 2 cents
chefdave12118 said:
Sounds like OP is just pissed he's a 1.5'er. And don't ever compare a pure android experience to an iPhone. Shame on you
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You get a thanks just for stating that "don't ever compare" part.
My 2 cents on this, I switch between Sense and custom LAUNCHERS often, tried Nemus Launcher, Go Launcher and ADW in the past. Can't say which is the best. Never had a custom ROM so far so can't compare performance under Sense with performance on custom ROMs, but I'd imagine the customs would run faster without all the Sense bloatware.
At the moment, I'm just waiting for ICS upgrade, after which I'll unlock, root and back up the NAND for Sense 4.0... and then on to get some custom ROM goodness hehe!
I hate Sense. I like HTC devices.
Sense is bloated and totally inefficient. It's also locked down in too many ways.
I prefer ADW Launcher + Android Pro Widgets. I feel it's snappier with more customization options, and it doesn't affect my battery life.
I go from an HTC Sense ROM to a Senseless ROM and my battery life goes through the roof.
Because it sucks?
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I used to downright despise sense, but that's because HTC put a bloated, slow operating system on a really slow phone (I'm talking about the HTC Hero CDMA here, my first android). The only ROMs I ever ran on my Hero were CM6 and CM7 nightlies because those were the only ROMs my phone could handle without lagging way behind me (i.e. on sense, I could type fast enough on my hero that I'd get multiple words ahead of what the screen was displaying).
HOWEVER I've fallen in love with sense now that I have my Evo 3D, because the hardware is so much better in this phone that the phone can actually handle running it's own OS smoothly now.
ICS is pretty awesome from the few ICS ROMs I've tried, but I'm sticking with sense for stability, a working camera, and the battery life (I'm running infectedROM eternity and the battery life is amazing on that ROM)
I love sense WOULDN'T BUY AN HTC MOBILE WITHOUT IT.
Hi,
Just curious about some opinions. I have downloaded and used the ICS for Evo 3D (the version just prior to Joel's last upload), and really liked it. I especially loved the fast web browsing.
But I've been running the Xplode XE 3D by Team Nocturnal and everything on the phone works, beautiful look to it, etc.
The web browsing is not as fast, but the battery life seems better.
My question is, other than:
1. The novelty of something new
2. The desire to use the "latest"
What are some other reasons that might be argued for the superiority of ICS?
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Hi,
Just curious about some opinions. I have downloaded and used the ICS for Evo 3D (the version just prior to Joel's last upload), and really liked it. I especially loved the fast web browsing.
But I've been running the Xplode XE 3D by Team Nocturnal and everything on the phone works, beautiful look to it, etc.
The web browsing is not as fast, but the battery life seems better.
My question is, other than:
1. The novelty of something new
2. The desire to use the "latest"
What are some other reasons that might be argued for the superiority of ICS?
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Use what you like. It's your phone, own it. Don't let us tell you what to run.
But ICS here isn't complete, so that isn't exactly a fair comparison yet. There are many many new features to ICS besides the interface. Things such as face unlock (when camera works), managing your data usage, hardware acceleration - just to name a few. Perhaps you should look up all ICS has to offer, there are tons of sources that share what's new. I can't remember everything and there's just too much to type up here.
Thank you. I wasn't looking for anyone to tell me what to run. But I WAS looking for what you gave me in your post. Just a brief set of a few reasons why one might want to go with ICS. I appreciate it.
Google "ICS vs gingerbread"
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I used a nexus s for a bit with ics. The only thing I miss is the better keyboard and much better voice to text. Everything else was forgettable, and honestly the browser was WORSE because it works like the iPhone in that it zooms but doesn't reformat the text. The way it works with GB is far better.
You're not missing much with GB, I'm in no rush to get it. I just want a good AOSP ROM regardless what release it is
I absolutely adore ICS. I cant bring myself to go back to gingerbread. I think asop gb is ugly now that I've gotten used to ics, its just much prettier! Im also very happy to be rid of Android green. Otherwise I personally feel ICS is a much better OS, especially under the hood, its quick, smooth, and better thought out all around. And once you get used to the keyboard its fantastic, and the text prediction and spell check is the best I've used, i love the keyboard.
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I used a nexus s for a bit with ics. The only thing I miss is the better keyboard and much better voice to text. Everything else was forgettable, and honestly the browser was WORSE because it works like the iPhone in that it zooms but doesn't reformat the text. The way it works with GB is far better.
You're not missing much with GB, I'm in no rush to get it. I just want a good AOSP ROM regardless what release it is
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The text reflow is a sense browser thing
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The text reflowed on my nexus one and nexus s on stock and cyanogenmod roms for 2.3, so it's definitely not just a sense thing
Reflow worked for me in ICS. I had no problems. Did you use the Chrome beta?
This discussion started as a question in one of the CM10 threads asking how users that want an AOSP experience over HTC Sense as a daily driver wound up with the Evo 3D. It then began evolving into a debate about Sense versus AOSP so I thought it would be a good idea to move it out of that thread. Please keep it civil here or I'm sure the mods will close this thread, as I would expect them to do.
I'll start off by saying I really don't mind Sense and like the direction it has taken with the 4.x releases, so I don't consider it a compromise to run Sense ROM's to take advantage of more features of the Evo 3D. OTOH, I like to run AOSP ROM's to see what future versions of Android are bringing to our devices, and the simplicity of the AOSP interface is a pleasant change of pace, not to mention things like ParanoidAndroid that aren't available for Sense ROM's.
Here's another Sense user's experience using AOSP.
I'm not sure yet what my next device will be which is one of the reasons I'm interested in this discussion. If everyone else has heard enough in the CM10 thread already, just ignore this one and it will go away in a day or two.
ramjet73
In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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i think i have to agree with that, sense is just too much trying to be accomplished graphically on a 4inch phone. yeah the animations are nice, but they arent worth slowing down your phone. you have a phone to do the things you need it to do, the rest is just bonus.
then again, im also a person who uses the classic theme on windows 7 despite having a decent computer to run aero and still run tons of programs at once.
last point, google has come a long way and you're finally able to see that when they released gingerbread. sense 3.0 w/ gingerbread was probably the last sense that i liked that was released otr for our phones because gingerbread was just repulsive. sense 4.0 i love because it's cleaner than the previous, and really snappy. but it's still sense and you get tired of it.
htc makes solid phones, but their os is starting to turn me away. but until samsung makes phones that arent plastic. ill forever use my 3vo and flash aosp roms.
It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Let me throw this out for the people that prefer the AOSP look.
Given the changes in the Sense 4.x versions is HTC Sense still salvageable as an enhancement to AOSP or should HTC scrap it and convert it's widgets, which seem to be the most popular part of Sense, to work with Trebuchet and other launchers?
If HTC actually builds a Nexus phone, we may get a chance to vote with our dollars (or whatever currency you use).
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It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Man I am a die hard sense fan in my mind I don't think nothing else compares to it
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I got the evo 3D because I though sense was awesome. After a month I got bored and missed AOSP sooo much
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Reason why I bought the EVO was for sense, always liked it always will
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
I originally got the evo 3d because at the time I thought sense 3.0 was awsome it looked cool as hell. As well as it was one of the best phones sprint carried at the time. But then after a month or so I couldn't stand it and I went on the search for aosp or as close to it as I could get. My next device will definitely be a nexus device. Not only because I dislike sense at this point but because of the hell we went through waiting for ics and source code.
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Sense is "pretty" and ya all the ROMs have working cam but aosp just has so much more freedom. Only time I'm rocking sense is when I'm taking a pic
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As others have said, first off, I like the "tweakability" of AOSP when compared to sense. Much more freedom to do what I want and this expands with CM, AOKP, and other special builds.
Second, the simplicity and streamlining of AOSP is *far* superior to anything that sense has to offer. I'm not a graphic designer, but I am a photographer so I'd say that, at the very least, I have an eye for the aesthetics of things around me. AOSP, in its newer iterations (namely, ICS and AOSP - since the new standards were introduced) has a ridiculous amount of polish and aesthetic appeal when compared to pretty much any other Android offering.
I understand that aesthetics are a completely subjective thing. A lot of people here seem to like very flashy stuff - gold-themed roms, animated 3d spinning boot screens, really bright colors, outrageous text, biohazard signs, etc. That's not my cup-of-tea personally, but if you're into that stuff I can see why you might not like AOSP.
Finally, It was incredibly hard to predict exactly what would happen concerning our phones and AOSP. When I picked up my Evo 3D, I was a huge fan of HTC hardware after owning a Mytouch 3G as my first android phone and having it survive two large water accidents. I assumed that great devs would eventually get AOSP working on it and I was ok living with Sense until that happened.
Nothing against Sense, I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for people to like it, but I've spent over a year with both (I very recently switched back to AOSP on my 3D) and I heavily prefer AOSP.
I like sense its not horrible. and the things I've seen done with it through chubbzs ports of 4.0 and 4.1 But I've had sense for quite awhile and I like the simplicity and tweakage of aosp Aokp cm and CnA. It's just different and I'm looking for something different. I know sense is going to be more stable and more functional but I'm willing to deal with a much less stable Rom just for something different. It makes my phone feel like a new phone and its a little smoother IMO
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I'm definitely not married to Sense anymore. When I first got my Evo 4G I really liked it, but once 4G was implemented into AOSP I flashed it and ran AOSP for months. Only going back to Sense once in a while. My Old EVO 4G is back on a Sense ROM though, Karma 7.7.7 (if I remember it right.)
Sense 4 is much sleeker and faster and I wish it was complete. If things weren't broken, I would be all over a Sense 4 ROM. But, I'd do the same on AOSP if there was a complete build of that. Ultimately, that is what keeps me on 3.6. Not it's style, look, how bloated it is (and it does have some heft.) But the fact that everything works, I can't stand not having everything worked that I paid for, whether I use them daily or not.
i liked sense 3.0 when it first came out. it was new and cool. it's still ok to be honest. but i miss AOSP. the newer versions of sense are nice as well but i just refuse to sacrifice 4G. i dont really mind losing 3D. never really used it. and i know 4G doesnt really work on any AOSP roms either. so i just desensify sense based roms to get as close to AOSP as i can. i was using CM9 on an old Droid X i inherited and i loved it. i wish we had a fully functioning CM build....
I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
felacio said:
That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
johnnyboi1994 said:
this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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There's a rom with touchwiz on the og evo .. I actually liked it when I had my og evo a few months back
johnnyboi1994 said:
this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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Have at it!
Here's a port of the Galaxy S3 version that's been tested with ICS on the Evo 3D and here's an overview of the S3 version.
If you Google around a bit you should be able to find some TouchWiz widgets as well.
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I like sense but it is heavy and uses more battery compared to aosp. I like aosp too and I prefer it! Is more light, smooth and I like the android grapich
Inviato dal mio HTC EVO 3D X515m con Tapatalk 2
Just pre-ordered an HTC One X + from AT&T today. Comes with JB 4.1 I believe. Coming from iPhone (jailbroken of course.) I see there was also a recent announcement, something about 4.2 being released by Google to VOSD. Read some of the improvements in 4.2 and would love to have them. But frankly, I don't want to spend hours futzing with my phone or risk bricking it. On the other hand, I don't want to wait 6 months for HTC to release a 4.2 update.
Without any prior experience can someone throw me a bone. Will there be a 4.2 ROM here I can download that will be stable and how long do you estimate before it is available versus waiting for HTC?
I've heard good things about Sense, but if I consider myself to now be a lifelong Android user, isn't it better to get used to using a vanilla version of the OS instead of using some manufacturer-specific overlay like Sense? So should I install a custom ROM no matter what from that perspective or will I loose to many conveniences/features specific to the phone?
Finally, will I be able to go back to stock HTC ROM (whatever is the most recent version) for warranty/resale purposes if I don't wait for the HTC upgrades?
I believe the JB 4.2 was only released yesterday with the sale opening for the Nexus 4/10. I am not really bothered as there are only "cosmetic" updates anyway like this orb pic shooting cam setting and dop down notification.
I got my HOX+ yesterday, after being very happy with the HOX since it was releases in April. And I have to say, so far unlocking/rooting the HOX + is not really necessary or a thing that needs to be done as soon as the batterry has charged to full the very first time you have it in your hands.
HOX+ with HTCs Sense is running very well, smooth as hell. And while I don't like the Sense launcher as it is restricting too much my daily use, I find alternative launcher much better..they provide amazing eye candy. In particular the Apex launcher is worth to have a look at.
But the integration of Sense is the background is just great, Contacts/phone/social media integration is basically perfect, as is the Google calender and in particular Google Now.
There also is a noticable improvement with the sound quality, and sound is mind blowing with the alternative player PowerAmp.
Development will take off for the HOX+ soon, and devs are already on it. Once CWM is up and running I will also unlock/root, if only for for the adblock
I am not a fan of AOSP as it is too stripped down for me. But that is pure personal taste.
Give the development a few weeks, in my opinion the HOX+ is already coming out of the box an amazing piece of technology, and Sense together with JB 4.1.1 is a very good user experience!
So in a way, it seems you could consider Sense a package of apps/features, that you might otherwise install over the vanilla OS anyway? I suppose when I think about it, I spent hours to jailbreak and install Cydia apps on my iPhone to customize how the lock screen works, notification works, the spring board works, the wallpapers work, etc. So even though iOS interface is consistent from version to version, I always modify it to my liking - essentially building my own "Sense" for iPhone.
One thing I don't like is bloatware - apps installed that I don't need but can't install. And I'm sure the AT&T One X+ comes with plenty of it? (At least in Windows PC's you can uninstall the stuff.) So my gut is telling me I will still probably end up rooting and going with a custom ROM anyway. I'm mainly looking for stability and consistency for years to come, despite what device I own. Not that learning a new interface "flavor" has a steep learning curve, but it would be nice to "standardize" on one "flavor" be it Sense or CM10 + some specific launcher app, etc etc. To be honest I don't have hours and hours to experiment anymore so it may be best to take what HTC gives me and be done with it. But I know I will crave 4.2 when available just to see what's improved (I've read about it - not groundbreaking but better), so I guess I'll probably cave and give at least one custom ROM a try. Makes the phone more unique too, which is kind of a novelty. But ya, this stuff we are talking about is foreign to probably 90% of the smartphone users out there. So the devices wouldn't sell as well as they do if they had issues or were hard to use out of the box!
hardstuffmuc said:
I believe the JB 4.2 was only released yesterday with the sale opening for the Nexus 4/10. I am not really bothered as there are only "cosmetic" updates anyway like this orb pic shooting cam setting and dop down notification.
I got my HOX+ yesterday, after being very happy with the HOX since it was releases in April. And I have to say, so far unlocking/rooting the HOX + is not really necessary or a thing that needs to be done as soon as the batterry has charged to full the very first time you have it in your hands.
HOX+ with HTCs Sense is running very well, smooth as hell. And while I don't like the Sense launcher as it is restricting too much my daily use, I find alternative launcher much better..they provide amazing eye candy. In particular the Apex launcher is worth to have a look at.
But the integration of Sense is the background is just great, Contacts/phone/social media integration is basically perfect, as is the Google calender and in particular Google Now.
There also is a noticable improvement with the sound quality, and sound is mind blowing with the alternative player PowerAmp.
Development will take off for the HOX+ soon, and devs are already on it. Once CWM is up and running I will also unlock/root, if only for for the adblock
I am not a fan of AOSP as it is too stripped down for me. But that is pure personal taste.
Give the development a few weeks, in my opinion the HOX+ is already coming out of the box an amazing piece of technology, and Sense together with JB 4.1.1 is a very good user experience!
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Just to chime in. I'm coming from 4 years of iPhone (still have my 4S and from the day I turned on the X+, I was in wow factor! Device runs SMOOTH as heck, responsiveness is more than I expected, just overall Great experience overall. That being said, I still want to be able to customize it even more. My iPhone had all the tweaks, theming, etc that truly made it my experience. So, i'm new to the whole "rooting" for Android devices as I'm a Mac guy also, but have a PC on standby waiting for instructions.
I'm really excited to actually take the dive in Android and especially with this particular device!
sense UI is the best for me among all the launchers.
i don't mind 4.1.1 vs 4..2 i don't think there's much changes anyways.
I have Jellybean 4.2 on my Nexus 7 and my old GNex. It is really buggy and the UI changes suck. There is battery drain, slow charging, instability and BT is broken. I rather have a stable Jellybean 4.1 and get a stable 4.2 in a few months on my Hox+.
Hellion said:
Just to chime in. I'm coming from 4 years of iPhone (still have my 4S and from the day I turned on the X+, I was in wow factor! Device runs SMOOTH as heck, responsiveness is more than I expected, just overall Great experience overall. That being said, I still want to be able to customize it even more. My iPhone had all the tweaks, theming, etc that truly made it my experience. So, i'm new to the whole "rooting" for Android devices as I'm a Mac guy also, but have a PC on standby waiting for instructions.
I'm really excited to actually take the dive in Android and especially with this particular device!
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I had a 4S for a time. Customising it was a pain in the arse. I'll be glad if I never see cydia again . You can customise a lot of android without needing to root. But some things like taskbar icons, transparency effects for system apps, bootlogo's, system transition effects ect. You need to be rooted for.
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I had a 4S for a time. Customising it was a pain in the arse. I'll be glad if I never see cydia again . You can customise a lot of android without needing to root. But some things like taskbar icons, transparency effects for system apps, bootlogo's, system transition effects ect. You need to be rooted for.
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Is there a verified working root for us ATT users yet? Saw a lot of talk about one which is why I'm asking. If so, any moon steps on how to root? I need it mainly for titanium backup to backup data files too and more tweaks.
Also hope someone can fix the broken Steele headset controls for this dang phone. All u can do is pause and play tracks from your wired or Bluetooth headset. Can't change tracks nor adjust volume from your stereo headset, huge fail for me! At the gym 5 days a week for hours and nothing worse then pulling this link out of my pocket the whole workout to manually change tracks and adjust volume for certain songs.