http://www.slashgear.com/acer-iconia-tab-a510-tipped-to-hit-europe-in-march-14213354/
Interesting if this story holds true... MWC should be interesting with all the tablet announcements.
Iconia Tab a510 for roughly the same price as Prime...
HTC Quattro/Vertigo/whatever it is called now.... rumored to be released in March
& iPad 2S or iPad 3 from Apple...
All due for March... or at least based on speculation/rumor/media report..
As far as the unreleased competition goes, I still think the Prime (when non-defunct) is rather superior to all of the hopeful alternatives. Even if they don't turn out to be, there is no excitement.
In my mind the prime will be superior because of the dock. Until someone creates another tablet that can out perform the TFP and has the same or better dock, the TFP will be better.
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As far as the unreleased competition goes, I still think the Prime (when non-defunct) is rather superior to all of the hopeful alternatives. Even if they don't turn out to be, there is no excitement.
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In my mind the prime will be superior because of the dock. Until someone creates another tablet that can out perform the TFP and has the same or better dock, the TFP will be better.
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I agree. That Acer, although has tegra3, is lower spec in other aspects like cam, etc... The only other tablet that's gonna make some noise or have hype around it ipad2s or ipad3. For some reason I have a feeling new Ipad going to keep same chipset as in ipad2 but have higher Res. Display and maybe 1Gb of Ram. Apple good for only upgrading chipset every other release. All other tablets won't really have no hype around them like the Prime did. Other than new Ipad of course.
Might as well wait though. Tegra4 will be out after summertime or fall. Specs on Tegra4/Wayne chipset is beast.
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I agree. That Acer, although has tegra3, is lower spec in other aspects like cam, etc... The only other tablet that's gonna make some noise or have hype around it ipad2s or ipad3. For some reason I have a feeling new Ipad going to keep same chipset as in ipad2 but have higher Res. Display and maybe 1Gb of Ram. Apple good for only upgrading chipset every other release. All other tablets won't really have no hype around them like the Prime did. Other than new Ipad of course.
Might as well wait though. Tegra4 will be out after summertime or fall. Specs on Tegra4/Wayne chipset is beast.
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It's an alternative to those who do not want to deal with Prime's current issue (not that it's guaranteed that those upcoming tablets won't have any issue either)... Also, with the Iconia Tab.. excluding the "dock" feature & and Camera... everything else seems to be on par with Prime or better (higher display, slot for SIM card.. and etc).
Just a choice, or possible choice to those who are looking elsewhere...
Also, where are you getting this info on Tegra 4/Wayne being released after summer or fall? Based on few of my reading (such as Anandtech).. that 28nm quad-core from Nvidia seems destined for late this yr (at the earliest) or early next yr...
Based on Nvidia's history with Tegra 3 (which was due last summer/fall).. I'm going to guess that it won't be ready til next year...
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It's an alternative to those who do not want to deal with Prime's current issue (not that it's guaranteed that those upcoming tablets won't have any issue either)... Also, with the Iconia Tab.. excluding the "dock" feature & and Camera... everything else seems to be on par with Prime or better (higher display, slot for SIM card.. and etc).
Just a choice, or possible choice to those who are looking elsewhere...
Also, where are you getting this info on Tegra 4/Wayne being released after summer or fall? Based on few of my reading (such as Anandtech).. that 28nm quad-core from Nvidia seems destined for late this yr (at the earliest) or early next yr...
Based on Nvidia's history with Tegra 3 (which was due last summer/fall).. I'm going to guess that it won't be ready til next year...
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Yeah its like Q3/4 at the earliest for tegra4. With tegra3 being out before 2012 , there's a good chance we could see tegra4 device announce in fall and maybe a Christmas time release. I read some article talking about Nvidia getting things ready with it or ready to ramp up production of it. Ill try to find article n link it or post it.
Nothing wrong with alternatives. I'd go with Acer tegra3 over Lenovo one. Lenovo tablets never have any developer support and they are super slow in releasing firmware updates to latest releases. At least with Acer, they have support n have been recently releasing updates more often. I think their new A200 has ICS rolling out for it now. To the same version we have, 4.03. I thought that article you linked said new Acer has 1280x720 display. Primes is 1280x800. So they basically the same.
Did you hear about the latest news of how U.S. approved the acquisition of Motorola by Google? One more step and its a done deal. By this happening, Google will finally be in the hardware manufacturing sector now. Who knows what ingenious tablet they might concoct then. A Nexus tablet created and manufactured by Google themselves, since they will own Motorola, is seeming more n more like reality.
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Yeah its like Q3/4 at the earliest for tegra4. With tegra3 being out before 2012 , there's a good chance we could see tegra4 device announce in fall and maybe a Christmas time release. I read some article talking about Nvidia getting things ready with it or ready to ramp up production of it. Ill try to find article n link it or post it.
Nothing wrong with alternatives. I'd go with Acer tegra3 over Lenovo one. Lenovo tablets never have any developer support and they are super slow in releasing firmware updates to latest releases. At least with Acer, they have support n have been recently releasing updates more often. I think their new A200 has ICS rolling out for it now. To the same version we have, 4.03. I thought that article you linked said new Acer has 1280x720 display. Primes is 1280x800. So they basically the same.
Did you hear about the latest news of how U.S. approved the acquisition of Motorola by Google? One more step and its a done deal. By this happening, Google will finally be in the hardware manufacturing sector now. Who knows what ingenious tablet they might concoct then. A Nexus tablet created and manufactured by Google themselves, since they will own Motorola, is seeming more n more like reality.
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That article doesn't mention anything about resolution.. but from earlier reports & at CES.. it had 1920x1200. It does have 10.1 in display like Prime though.
Google's acquisition of Motorola doesn't interest me much. Not only is Google new & inexperienced in hardware division but you'll see some serious displeasure from other OEM (such as Samsung) if they were to "favor" Motorola... & create Google phone/tablets.
Granted I have my doubts on Win 8 (even as win dev.), if Google were to favor Motorola over other OEM, that'll certainly fuel & help OEMs switch their focus to Win 8 (heck, majority of them are paying MS already anyways for all the android devices they sell... they might as well just make the full switch & support Win 8 over Android instead).
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The only other tablet that's gonna make some noise or have hype around it ipad2s or ipad3. For some reason I have a feeling new Ipad going to keep same chipset as in ipad2 but have higher Res. Display and maybe 1Gb of Ram. Apple good for only upgrading chipset every other release. All other tablets won't really have no hype around them like the Prime did. Other than new Ipad of course.
Might as well wait though. Tegra4 will be out after summertime or fall. Specs on Tegra4/Wayne chipset is beast.
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I thought that the ipad3 was going towards A6 which is equivalent to the quad core? Or was that the iphone5?
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I thought that the ipad3 was going towards A6 which is equivalent to the quad core? Or was that the iphone5?
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We don't know anything about Apple's next tablet. Everything up to this point has been RUMORS and speculation. The only "concrete" rumor that I have seem so far is the leaked picture of iOS being ready for quad-core. Btw, A6 is quad-core that is on 28nm (Tegra 3 is 40nm). Although, according to this link: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/08...e+(MacRumors+iPhone+Blog:+iOS+News+and+Rumors)
it could be dual-core as well. Either way, everything about Apple's next-gen products are nothing but rumors until their press event.
We'll find more about Apple's next-gen tablet in March.
I refuse to buy any Android phone other than a Nexus. I had the Nexus One, Nexus S, and imported the Galaxy Nexus. My experience with the Prime has reaffirmed my decision to go Nexus only. My plan is to stick it out with the Prime for a while until Google hopefully decides to release a Nexus tablet. If that doesn't happen, I'll have a lot of thinking to do re: my next tablet. These companies just can't be trusted - they just seem to churn out as many Android devices as they can and don't care about the quality of their products. At least Google stands behind the Nexus devices.
wow, if you thought asus was bad at making hardware, wait until you get a load of acer. out of the frying pan and into the fire...
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I refuse to buy any Android phone other than a Nexus. I had the Nexus One, Nexus S, and imported the Galaxy Nexus. My experience with the Prime has reaffirmed my decision to go Nexus only. My plan is to stick it out with the Prime for a while until Google hopefully decides to release a Nexus tablet. If that doesn't happen, I'll have a lot of thinking to do re: my next tablet. These companies just can't be trusted - they just seem to churn out as many Android devices as they can and don't care about the quality of their products. At least Google stands behind the Nexus devices.
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nexus had its own hefty shares of issues also. no device is perfect or issue free. The latest nexus had tons of issues itself. no device is perfect. not even apple Ipad or iphone.
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nexus had its own hefty shares of issues also. no device is perfect or issue free. The latest nexus had tons of issues itself. no device is perfect. not even apple Ipad or iphone.
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Must you play the fanboi at every turn? It quickly becomes tiresome.
Five percent (5%) is the industry standard failure rate for consumer electronics. Failure rate, conservatively estimated, is closer to 30%.
No device is perfect, however some are "good enough". And others, as we have seen, are not. Now let it drop lest the constant bickering derail this thread as it has so many others.
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nexus had its own hefty shares of issues also. no device is perfect or issue free. The latest nexus had tons of issues itself. no device is perfect. not even apple Ipad or iphone.
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The few issues on the Galaxy Nexus (actually, I can only think of one that affected users overseas due to certain cell phone frequencies), were quickly and effectively addressed with an update. That's more than can be said for the numerous Prime problems.
hmm, two things.
1. the galaxy nexus is a samsung device, not a google device. samsung designed the hardware, samsung manufactures it. google collaborated with them on the requirements and design trade-offs and then prioritized gnexus hardware for the first round of ICS support. it is unsurprising that the overall quality and occurrence of issues on the gnexus is on par with samsung's other phones, which is to say, very low. but the special thing about nexus devices is not the hardware, it's the software, with google pushing out updates directly.
2. if you are looking for a tf201+dock alternative then i would keep an eye on the upcoming Lenovo IdeaPad S2. it will be released in Q2/Q3, probably around the same time as asus' TF700T. lenovo has a MUCH better track record of manufacturing quality than either asus or acer and hopefully this will continue with the S2. as far as features go, the S2 is essentially a tf201+dock clone with some minor variation in specs. perhaps the biggest concern is that lenovo looks to be modifying their version of android much more than asus has, and this is rarely a good thing. one of the many tech blog articles about the S2 is here:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/8/26...b-s2-a-10-1-inch-dual-core-android-4-0-tablet
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I refuse to buy any Android phone other than a Nexus. I had the Nexus One, Nexus S, and imported the Galaxy Nexus. My experience with the Prime has reaffirmed my decision to go Nexus only. My plan is to stick it out with the Prime for a while until Google hopefully decides to release a Nexus tablet. If that doesn't happen, I'll have a lot of thinking to do re: my next tablet. These companies just can't be trusted - they just seem to churn out as many Android devices as they can and don't care about the quality of their products. At least Google stands behind the Nexus devices.
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I don't think the nexus has any better support. The difference is they are so open that the developer community can fix the software side of things which seems to be the biggest issue with Android for the most part. I am with you and only buy Nexus phones. I would buy a nexus tablet if it was available but hope that with an unlocked bootloader the Prime can be a close second eventually.
Even though we haven't heard a lot about it, the HTC Vertex (formerly Quattro) may be the next quad-core released. March-ish is the rumor. HTC's holding a press conference on the 27th at MWC to announced a bunch of devices. I had a Jetstream for a while and it was incredibly well built. Sense and all of its widgets were pretty cool in tablet form too.
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HTC to focus on quad-core tablet PCs and smartphones in 2012
Daniel Shen, Taipei; Steve Shen, DIGITIMES [Monday 21 November 2011]
HTC will focus on the production of quad-core tablet PCs and smartphones in the first half of 2012 competing with comparable devices to be released by rivals including Asustek Computer, Acer, Samsung Electronics and Lenovo, according to industry sources.
Competition for the quad-core chip segment among Qualcomm, Nvidia and Texas Instruments is heating up competition in the quad-core device sector, the sources noted.
While Asustek will spearhead the production of quad-core tablet PCs in December 2011, HTC will be a strong contender in the segment by releasing its first quad-core tablet, the HTC Quattro, in March 2012 at the earliest, the sources revealed.
The 10.1-inch Quattro will be powered a Nvidia Tegra 3 CPU and supports HTC Scribe, Beats audio, 3.5G/Wi-Fi, and HTC and Dropbox cloud services, according to smartphone blog pocketnow.com.
The pocketnow.com website also noted that the initial Nvidia quad-core lineups will also include the HTC Edge smartphone. The Edge will be also powered by an Nvidia 1.5GHz Tegra 3 CPU and come with a 4.7-inch display, 8-megapixel camera and 32GB memory, and supports HTC Sense 4.0 interface, HTC Watch, HTC Listen, HTC Read and HTC Play, stated a post on the pocketnow.com website.
HTC is also developing another quad-core smartphone, the HTC Zeta, which will be powered by a Qualcomm 2.5GHz CPU and equipped with a 4.5-inch display, 8-megapixel camera as well as Beats, HTC Sense 4.0 and complete cloud content, according to technology site engadget.
Editor's note: This article has been updated to properly attribute the information sources.
jaypm said:
hmm, two things.
1. the galaxy nexus is a samsung device, not a google device. samsung designed the hardware, samsung manufactures it. google collaborated with them on the requirements and design trade-offs and then prioritized gnexus hardware for the first round of ICS support. it is unsurprising that the overall quality and occurrence of issues on the gnexus is on par with samsung's other phones, which is to say, very low. but the special thing about nexus devices is not the hardware, it's the software, with google pushing out updates directly.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/8/26...b-s2-a-10-1-inch-dual-core-android-4-0-tablet
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Samsung does the actual manufacturing, but the phone is designed with input from Google. There's an official video from Google on Youtube that talks about this process.
More importantly -- and you touched on this issue -- the software and updates are done by Google, and they seem to do this very competently, unlike Asus (see their .13 update that screwed up a bunch of Primes, mine included).
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That article doesn't mention anything about resolution.. but from earlier reports & at CES.. it had 1920x1200. It does have 10.1 in display like Prime though.
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Technically the A5xx series has 1280x800 and the A7xx has 1920x1200. I was at CES and played with the A510 and it was a very nice and smooth device. Not as sleek looking as the Prime but it has a plastic back so it has a high chance of having better wifi, gps. Possibly not have any wifi+BT issue either (my acer a100 doesnt seem to have it). Also has micro usb/charger port in 1. So no need for proprietary Asus usb cable. I'm not sure what to call the charging connector though cause it looks like a micro usb but has a slight tab on the center. It's not MHL for sure. I forgot though if it had a full USB on the side. Need to check the rest of my pictures on my phone.
So for anyone not really into using a kb dock then this is a very competitive device against the Prime. As far as rear camera goes I'm not sure everyone uses it or at least I don't care for it as I have my phone camera thats easier to hold for taking pictures. So having one in the 1st place is just a plus. Posted some pics here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451699
Col.Kernel said:
Must you play the fanboi at every turn? It quickly becomes tiresome.
Five percent (5%) is the industry standard failure rate for consumer electronics. Failure rate, conservatively estimated, is closer to 30%.
No device is perfect, however some are "good enough". And others, as we have seen, are not. Now let it drop lest the constant bickering derail this thread as it has so many others.
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its the truth..lol wasn't even comparing it to prime. Justba fact of technology. he made it seem google nexus is flawless, which its not. so I made my point already I didn't even mention prime so stop assuming. makes an ass of u and me. Ass U me lol
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I have owned my G Tablet basically since it first came out. It has been a great little tablet, especially with all the custom roms available for it.
While the G Tab has it's cons like screen viewing angles, the positives definitely out weigh the negatives in my opinion.
I was thinking of getting another tablet. But, every time I compare what's out there now like the Xoom, Playbook, Samsung Galaxy to the G Tablet, I just cannot justify getting a new tablet.
The G Tab has an excellent processor, great battery life and wonderful community support. The only thing I can think of that the G Tab doesn't have is a HD rear cam for video recording. Which, in reality doesn't worry me to much because I have other devices, such as my phone for video.
What's your opinion? Is there any tablet out there you are considering as a replacement for the G Tablet? Or is it a better idea to see what the next generation of tablet brings?
I think I'm going to wait for the quad core Tegra's. The chip is supposed to have 5x the performance of a Tegra2.
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I hadnt even HEARD about the quad cores, whos releasing those?
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WOW
ok answered
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/23/asus-to-introduce-quad-core-tegra-3-transformer-by-october/
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WOW
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http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/23/asus-to-introduce-quad-core-tegra-3-transformer-by-october/
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I see you found your answer. NVidia started shipping tech samples back in Feb with planned release this summer. I'm sure others will jump on the boat after the current crop of tab are out for a while...they do want to recoup some of their investment on the newest tablets, but I'll be waiting.
If you check NVidia, they have a whole line of Tegra processors planned through 2013, utlimately reaching 75x the performance of Tegra2.
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Today I would not buy a gTablet, but I don't think it's the right time to buy another tablet either. It's not just because 'the next generation will be better'. It's also because, 'the next generation lowers prices on the current generation'.
We are seeing more new tablets approach the $300 mark, either due to $100-off coupons or tablets just being priced low (i.e. Acer Iconia A100, 7-inch Tegra 2 Honeycomb tablet will be coming out at a rumored $300 price). Soon the choice may be between a $300 transformer, brand-new $300 Acer, and a $200 (if not totally discontinued) gTablet.
Tablets are rapidly evolving so I understand the upgrade cycle will be faster than, say, TVs or desktop computers. Even so, personally I will not upgrade more often than once a year; I'm not made of money. Late winter/spring 2012 we will have new tablets with 4.0/Ice cream, Tegra 3, and post-Christmas pricing might be more attractive. That's just me.
Tegra roadmap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra
Jaycard, I'm in the same position, for the same reasons.
I don't need a newer operating system right now and my gtab runs any app my phone does.
Also every time I look at the newer tabs, I have to think, gee my Viewsonic can already do that.
For now it has been a good buy and and meets my needs.
So I'm going to wait till next year before I upgrade.
Maybe that Staples coupon was a real temptation.
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First off, I do not want this to be an ultra negative thread. While I have not used the Prime, I'm sure that it's overall the best Android tablet yet.
Basically, going into the holiday season, the Prime became the #1 thing on my Christmas list. I started to get super hyped for it after doing a lot of research, and that lasted a long time. But over the last 2 weeks, my interest went way down. The first big reason was obviously obtaining one in the first place. I won't focus on that, however, since we're all familiar with the issue.
The other major reason for holding off on a tablet purchase was the Prime itself. I consider the Prime to be the first true Android competitor to the iPad, and also to be the first (sorta) 2nd gen Android tab. But, for me, the definition of a new generation is having an increase in almost all specs and a consequent improvement in performance. That's where I'm hesitant. The Prime still has just 1 GB of RAM, a pretty poor GPU, the same resolution as always, and some other things that aren't any different from 1st gen Android tabs. It's more like a 1.8th generation Android tab to me. Definitely on another level than the 1st gen, but not quite fully 2nd gen to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Prime is awesome and extremely tempting. But my desire started to wane when I heard reports that I can be confident that by around March there should be some Android tabs with 2 GB of RAM, much higher resolution, better GPUs, and sometime during 2012 there will be A15 processors out. I know a lot of people will say that this is how mobile tech always is, that there is always something better soon, but for me I feel like it's worth the wait to reach a fully new generation. Anyone else in the same boat as me? Or are most people caving in to how tempting and awesome the Prime is lol?
I'm buying a prime, if something wayyyy better comes out that is support tempting to upgrade, then I will sell the prime on craigslist and buy the new tab.
I used my original transformer (now sold) at school a lot so the kb dock is a must have for me, and most likely other tabs won't have as great kb implementation, so im probably in a different situation as someone who just wants the tab and they may be more easily tempted to switch.
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I got my Prime and so far I love it. I don't think there will be better android tables in the near future since none have been announced. I know Samsung likes to take its sweet time to release new products, but having said that, if they come with a better tablet I will have no problem selling the Prime to get the new one. I do it all the time.
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There's always something new and better coming out every 3 months if I held out I would never have a tablet!
Short answer: Not yet.
But seriously, there are several reasons I feel that the Prime is a serious contender to iPad and something that can be called 2nd generation Android Tablet.
First, granted that a bump in the amount of RAM would be great, but in reality we should look at how well optimized the system should be for a given amount of memory. Slapping memory in when it only increases costs while doing very little good to the system performance is a step back in my opinion and 1GB should be plenty for a tablet with optimized OS. I also feel that Honeycomb is to blame right now as to how it utilizes its system resources.
On the CPU front, a quad core at lower clocks, made on a mature A9 process rather than a new A15 one makes more sense to me. The 4 cores+companion core and its implications on the battery along with the long term implications on the multi threaded applications far outweigh the initial performance improvements due to the bumped up frequency on a dual core.
The higher resolution would be interesting, but the question is if we really need 2k+ resolutions on a tablet screen. Does it really make sense to stress the GPU out for such little difference in the visual output from a tablet? Granted I could think of this improvement in the third generation devices, when the GPU is actually able to handle this with 3D gaming smoothly without heating up, but I still think it is wasteful beyond a certain level of ppi. I would much rather throw all that GPU horsepower behind better 3D rendering.
I agree on the GPU front that tegra 3 is lagging, but when we look at tablets we must remember that the experience is a sum total from CPU and GPU working in tandem. It is very difficult to bump up both the CPU and GPU specs to insane levels while keeping the price point that Asus is keeping (unlike Motorola with their horribly spec'd and priced Xyboard). I had hoped though that Nvidia would finally get their GPU to Unified architecture on tablet front like their Desktop GPUs- That would have been absoultely great with the 12 GPU processing cores in the Kal-el. But it is true that GPU is lacking right now.
Ultimately though what will make or break this tablet will be ICS. Everyone is more interested with the kind of experience that one gets on a tablet, not the hardware behind it. I feel and hope that the final melding of the mobile and tablet paths of android will give us improvements on that end. I also think that the way Asus, Nvidia and Google have been working on ICS we should see some interesting improvements on Tegra 3 with ICS. For me, Prime seems to be the best choice going ahead even with the upcoming CES.
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I I don't think there will be better android tables in the near future since none have been announced.
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Pegatron lands orders for Lenovo quad-core tablet PC
Aaron Lee, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Monday 19 December 2011]
Pegatron Technology reportedly has landed orders from Lenovo for its quad-core LePad tablet PC, which is set to enter mass production after the Lunar New Year in January, according to sources from the upstream supply chain.
Specifications include the all new NVIDIA’s Tegra 3 processor which will be clocked at 1.6 GHz, 2 GB of DDR3 RAM, and a high resolution display (1900x1200). It is also reported to have a full sized USB port, two cameras and a “Special Fusion Skin Body”.
In response to the report, Pegatron said it would not comment on matters concerning individual clients.
Currently, Lenovo's LePad sales are only behind those of Apple's iPad in China with the volume already reaching 160,000 units in the second quarter and a market share of 8.4%, the sources said.
Pegatron was originally the upstream partner of Germany-based Medion, but as Medion was acquired by Lenovo earlier in 2011, Pegatron was able to enter into Lenovo's supply chain and may even have chances to land notebook orders from Lenovo in the future after succeding in receiving tablet PC orders, the sources said.
In addition to Lenovo, Pegatron reportedly also has received orders from Acer and Toshiba for 2012, but the company has again declined to comment on client-related matters.
For the fourth quarter, Pegatron's quarterly profit will have a chance of reaching NT$1 billion (US$32.93 million), or an EPS of NT$0.4. Its EPS for the first three quarters of the year was negative NT$0.38.
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T2's memory bandwidth and GPU was bottleneck for Honeycomb. The improvement on T3 might be just enough for 1280*800, but not good enough 1920*1200.
Anyway, that's just pure speculation. It would be interesting to see the actual products coming with T3 on 1920*1200
No, I don't have a first-generation tablet for it to be an upgrade from, and I'm interested in it first and foremost for the keyboard dock.
I admit I'd prefer to have more RAM, though 1GB is probably sufficient. But the resolution doesn't bother me much: I'd rather have the dock than a higher-resolution screen.
i'm more than happy with the prime thus far, to wait for potential new devices (none of which are around the corner) is to never buy anything because there's always rumors of devices "coming soon". being that the prime has had so many issues getting out of the gate, one could reasonably assume OEM's trying to push all these new panels (1200p, 1080p, 2000p) are going to have some major supply issues and are going to cost more than the prime does with dock.
in the gen1 round, asus was really the only oem who figured out people won't buy your tablet if you price it the same as an ipad and don't offer anything over the excellent ecosystem apple has created for their device, plus the apple logo > all in the mainstreams mind.
as for 2gb of ddr3 over 1gb of ddr2, if ICS can optimize the OS as much as google seems to be promising, then i'm just fine with 1GB.
the real kicker for the prime vs any other tablet is the dock, if it's something you want to use in that fashion, there is no other tablet out there that can compete in that area aside from the tf101.
the tegra3 soc as a whole seems to be running things just fine, until we really see some really AAA games for android, i don't see any problems with it's GPU. and by the time that happens, we'll all have moved on to (or at least i will have) gen3 tablets anyways and be running android 6.0
personally, the dock + having it now + asus' design and general build quality (this thing is THIN and solid) make me not really care about anything lenovo or samsung are going to put out in the next 4 months. (if they put out anything in that time frame at all)
but i already own a prime, so maybe i have some bias in my view
I realy want to get the prime, but i'm afraid to order and get a wifi/gps/screen leeck one. Im gonna wait abit untill the others comeout[lenovo,acer] maybe the price will drop and the units will finnaly have everything working.
If you're waiting for the price to drop. You'll be waiting a year at least.
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This screw up on Asus' part is unacceptable in my opinion Johnny Shih announced this thing over two months ago at AsiaD and from that point on they should have been manufacturing these things 24/7 since then to meet the demand. But they obviously didn't because they couldn't even fulfill the initial preorders. If they can't fulfill the initial pre-orders how are they supposed to meet the ACTUAL demand of the entire market. I'm not giving up on this thing because I can't phyisically get it. I'm giving up because by the time they actually do meet demand, Tegra 4 processors will be PRIMED for release.
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I guess everyone gets caught up in the specs wars but as far as the ram goes I think one gig of ram is plenty for the prime.Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the the original ipad only have half a gig of ram & it runs as smooth as silk?? If the Ipad ran sluggish people would say it needed more ram.But the software is just optimized for that amount of ram & that's why people compare every tablet to the ipad. I've seen videos of ICS running on the nexus & it's very fluid.ICS is the software that's been so badly needed that's why Asus wanted the Prime to ship with it.
i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
vitalero said:
I realy want to get the prime, but i'm afraid to order and get a wifi/gps/screen leeck one. Im gonna wait abit untill the others comeout[lenovo,acer] maybe the price will drop and the units will finnaly have everything working.
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I understand feeling this way. My Prime will be delivered on Wednesday and based on the various threads I have been concerned that there could be problems. This will be my first tablet and just like buying a laptop or anything electronic if there is a problem I will simply exchange it or have it repaired. I am not going to let the concern about a problem that may not exist on my tablet to keep me from getting one. FWIW.
jzen said:
i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
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Can you please stop posting that the whole time in every topic? Your HP Touchpad isn't running Honeycomb, so that isn't making sense at all. Thanks.
You ask if we are still getting the Prime after hearing that it isnt perfect?
I ask back: Why did you want to get it in the first place? I guess only you can answer that and see if it justifies the cost.
For me its pretty simple. I never had a Tablet before because the iPad doesnt offer the features i'm looking for. And i have a general rule not to buy first gen stuff. For obvious reasons i think (mainly because the companies are experimenting with stuff in 1st gen).
Along came the prime, offering everything i was looking for while not being a 1st gen device. Sure there will be better tablets in the future, with different features like screen resolution, but its the 2nd gen tablet from asus. End of story Again what features are required to make it 2nd gen? Resolution? Cpu clock? Amount of Ram?
For me being light and thin is one of the most important things on a Tablet. There is no other tablet as thin and light as the Prime, while still having all the features.
My post is getting long :/ But my last point is: Dont judge the software in its current state. It was planned as a ICS tablet but HC was needed to meet the release date. I would have been surprised if it was without bugs... I even expect some problems when ICS comes out simply because its still very new. If you want a system that is fully matured you have to go with iPad. Apple has a year more of experience with tablets than Android and the software is extremly minimalistic (->fewer bugs).
I intend to keep my Prime for quite some time. And i know that one year from now it will have none of the software problems it might has now.
But it will still have that keyboard dock with USB/SDcard, good if not better battery life than now (software optimizations!), many awesome Tegra3 games, good camera, light and thin etcetcetc.
I've used the original Transformer since launch day (I was fortunate to get it when within 3 minutes of when it came available on Amazon, and so skipped these shenanigans; I had no idea how frustrating it was). My opinion is that a typical 10" tablet (and I'm including the iPad 2 here) is of marginal value TO ME (only speaking for myself here) without the kind of integrated keyboard dock that's available for the Transformer/Prime.
I say this because other than writing notes and rough drafts (I don't consider ANY tablet ready for complex document creation of any kind), I don't find a 10" tablet of much use. I'd much rather have a 7" tablet for everything else I use the tablet form factor for, such as ebook reading, RSS reading, casual browsing, and casual gaming. And if I were to get a 7" tablet, I'd see no reason to spend more than the $199 or $249 for the Kinde Fire or Nook Tablet.
That said, the keyboard dock really does change the equation for me. It gives me something I can take to all-day meetings and use for taking notes, without the slightest concern about battery life. It also lets me pop the tablet into the dock when I'm researching at night in bed and want to write something quickly--and I can do it without needing to grab a notebook tray because the dock/tablet combo generates no heat and has no vents to cover.
So for me, the Prime seems like the perfect device. Faster than my Transformer and with a brighter screen so I can read it outdoors on my back porch (very important to me since I live in SoCal and we get lots of sun), and thinner/lighter so it's more comfortable for ebook reading. It's fine for casual gaming and video, and then for all the other things I use a tablet for.
I don't care about specs like 2GB RAM vs. 1GB RAM, because I've found my Transformer to perform well enough as it is. I also don't care about higher resolution screens, because I'd much rather have the additional brightness and battery savings. And, I like the $499 price for 32GB (vs. $599 for the iPad 2 and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 when it first came out). I don't want to spend more than that for a tablet, and I guarantee these higher-spec'd devices WILL cost more unless they have an Apple icon on them.
Finally, although we can knock ASUS for their questionable tablet product launches, we can't knock them for how they've supported the Transformer after the fact. The Transformer was always a very close second to the Xoom in getting the latest versions of Honeycomb, and ASUS was quick to fix any issues introduced by new firmware versions. They've provided a great mix of features without heavy skinning of Honeycomb. They'll also be the first, I'm sure, to release ICS, and they'll do it for both the Prime and the original Transformer.
That kind of support is worth quite a bit to me. My wife JUST got Honeycomb 3.2 on her Galaxy Tab 10.1, and I'm guessing it'll be Q2 before she sees ICS. We're pretty much guaranteed to get ICS on the Prime in January. Does anyone really see Lenovo or anyone else providing that level of support? I don't...
Arun01 said:
I guess everyone gets caught up in the specs wars but as far as the ram goes I think one gig of ram is plenty for the prime.Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the the original load only have half a gig of ram & it runs as smooth as silk??
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My concern about RAM comes from my SGS, which has 512MB. That's enough for any particular task, but I find that it's poor at multitasking, especially where the browser is concerned. The RAM isn't sufficient for browser + much anything else, so starting the browser kicks other applications out of memory, and leaving it means returning to the browser requires reloading any open pages.
I do think that 1GB will probably be enough though. How much RAM does the Prime have free for applications?
jzen said:
i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
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If you supposedly sold your prime (that as far as I am concerned you may or may not have ever owned) then why are you still trolling these threads. Go back to the TP threads. For the record I'm no Asus fanboy; I'm just tired of reading your trollish posts...Load CM7 on this supposed Prime that you have sold or are selling and then do the comparison of your discontinued tab vs the Prime.
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Looks like I might not purchase the Prime after all. I was waiting on it but reading all of these nightmares makes me want to wait and see what this bad ass toy has to offer at CES next week.
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Looks cool, but without the dock I'm personally not interested.
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For me it is the dock that makes Transformer Prime really worth it. I don't understand anyone who buys Prime without the dock, since it is not better than other high-end tablets in the market and has quality issues that the other high-end tablets do not have. I would buy something like Prime without the dock only if it was actually much better than the competition (higher clocked dual-core processor (quad-core is only really useful for games), 2GB of RAM, working GPS with better WiFi). Right now the Prime's non-existent GPS and weak WiFi alone are reasons enough to consider Galaxy Tab or iPad instead of Prime, especially since the only means of internet connection on Prime is through WiFi as opposed to 3G on its competitors.
So yeah, the only reason Asus has me as a customer is because they give me something others do not. Asus UK seems to understand this rather well too, since they are only offering the device with the dock. It's as if they know it would not sell well otherwise.
are either of the two games shown in the teaser even on android?
also: enjoy waiting until at LEAST march, but probably june for anything that is announced at CES to be available to purchase.
How is a device that we don't know what it looks like, what feature set it has, how many cores it's get, what the additional peripherals are, supposed to be an TP killer?
For goodness sake, the article doesn't even know whether it's going to be on android.
Sorry, you got some wrong sources, this is not about a tablet at all, this ad is for the Razer Switchblade, which is a kind of gaming netbook - you could also deduce this from the link at the end of the video - PCgamingisnotdead . com
It has nothing to do with Android, tablets and the Transformer Prime
It's one quite expensive gaming netbook for 2800$
More info about the device, which is definitely not a Prime killer - search for Razer Blade or Razer Switchblade (I was going to link it, but I'm a new member and apparently I cant )
If it's from Razer, you can bet it's overpriced. Just look at the Blade.
Razer usually makes crap so you can expect some really big stupid bugs in it like most of their stuff. Maybe like a handsfree GPS deathgrip, oh wait!
I'm hoping CES has something about the Google Tablet... I am hoping for something to be announced before the return window for the Prime closes because while I could live without GPS, I can't live without bluetooth which I essentially don't have in my Prime right now.
I bought their Mamba mouse, a decision I regret daily. Runs out of battery in 1 day, takes about 3 hours to get any computer to recognize it in wireless mode. And I paid way too much for it. I am sure the tablet will be a pain in the ass somehow too.
I don't like Razer either, their products usually have a very strange nerdy look, I mean look at their laptops:
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For me it is the dock that makes Transformer Prime really worth it. I don't understand anyone who buys Prime without the dock, since it is not better than other high-end tablets in the market and has quality issues that the other high-end tablets do not have. I would buy something like Prime without the dock only if it was actually much better than the competition (higher clocked dual-core processor (quad-core is only really useful for games), 2GB of RAM, working GPS with better WiFi). Right now the Prime's non-existent GPS and weak WiFi alone are reasons enough to consider Galaxy Tab or iPad instead of Prime, especially since the only means of internet connection on Prime is through WiFi as opposed to 3G on its competitors.
So yeah, the only reason Asus has me as a customer is because they give me something others do not. Asus UK seems to understand this rather well too, since they are only offering the device with the dock. It's as if they know it would not sell well otherwise.
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That sir, is pure bull****.
It is a great tablet with high end specs. Its even cheaper then the Galaxy Tab 10.1
Galaxy Tab 10.1N 32GB: €535
Asus Transformer Prime 32GB + dock (worth about €150): €599 - €150 = €449
Not to note the better things the Prime has to offer vs. the Galaxy Tab 10.1 (and others) (fast RAM, Tegra 3, awesome display, keyboard).
Also, Asus is very fast with updates (are you aware that Samsung did release Android 3.2 for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 a week ago or so? Asus did that a couple of months back.).
It is just the best tablet today, with or without dock.
That tab OP linked to SUX . lol
it didn't list anything prime can't already do. those games are nothing as prime can handle the same thing since Tegra3. developers been said it'll be easy to port PC games and such to Prime/tegra3 without any loss in quality. they said for the first time they can developement in parallel since no dumbing down has to be done.
Prime would eat that Razr tab alive
JoeyLe said:
It is just the best tablet today, with or without dock.
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Maybe for you. For me it is not the best tablet, I'll be buying it just because it has a dock.
In RAM and processing power it is weaker than iPad 2. It can defeat iPad in some tests, but loses out on others. Everybody says that ICS will change things, but we just do not know if it does. Not yet.
Not having GPS is a drawback in comparison to iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab. Not having 3G is a drawback. Having weak WiFi is a major drawback since it does not have 3G.
If you only use it to play games and watch videos then I agree, it is the best tablet out there. But as a mobile internet device it just does not compete with iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab.
kristovaher said:
Maybe for you. For me it is not the best tablet, I'll be buying it just because it has a dock.
In RAM and processing power it is weaker than iPad 2. It can defeat iPad in some tests, but loses out on others. Everybody says that ICS will change things, but we just do not know if it does. Not yet.
Not having GPS is a drawback in comparison to iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab. Not having 3G is a drawback. Having weak WiFi is a major drawback since it does not have 3G.
If you only use it to play games and watch videos then I agree, it is the best tablet out there. But as a mobile internet device it just does not compete with iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab.
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Yeah sure, 1 GB & Quad core 1,3GHz (5 cores) (Prime) vs 512MB & Dual core 1GHz (2 cores) (iPad 2). You know the WiFi iPad 2 doesn't have a GPS either huh? Only 3G versions have a GPS.
WiFi is in line with the iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab 10.1 btw.
Check your facts mate.
kristovaher said:
Maybe for you. For me it is not the best tablet, I'll be buying it just because it has a dock.
In RAM and processing power it is weaker than iPad 2. It can defeat iPad in some tests, but loses out on others. Everybody says that ICS will change things, but we just do not know if it does. Not yet.
Not having GPS is a drawback in comparison to iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab. Not having 3G is a drawback. Having weak WiFi is a major drawback since it does not have 3G.
If you only use it to play games and watch videos then I agree, it is the best tablet out there. But as a mobile internet device it just does not compete with iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab.
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The dock is great, but it really sounds like you are not terribly satisfied with the prime. Why don't you get an iPad 2 or Galaxy with a Bluetooth keyboard, and a case which allows them to be a single unit?
... and you do realize that the wi-fi only iPad 2 does not have GPS?
jrwingate6 said:
Looks like I might not purchase the Prime after all. I was waiting on it but reading all of these nightmares makes me want to wait and see what this bad ass toy has to offer at CES next week.
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What's a prime killer? GPS
Like others have said, its not just the tablet itself but the tablet/dock combination that makes Transformer unique and more desirable than other tablets. If Samsung or other manufacturers offer the same then we might have some competition but as it stands right now, TP is in a league of its own and that is why despite its shortcoming has a great demand for.
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Maybe for you. For me it is not the best tablet, I'll be buying it just because it has a dock.
In RAM and processing power it is weaker than iPad 2. It can defeat iPad in some tests, but loses out on others. Everybody says that ICS will change things, but we just do not know if it does. Not yet.
Not having GPS is a drawback in comparison to iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab. Not having 3G is a drawback. Having weak WiFi is a major drawback since it does not have 3G.
If you only use it to play games and watch videos then I agree, it is the best tablet out there. But as a mobile internet device it just does not compete with iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab.
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Prime has far more processing power than ipad2 as far as CPU goes. now if you meant how ipad2 gpu a lil more Power then OK. BUT even that claim has been debunked by developers n reviewers. they said yeah the ipad2 gpu may score better in synthetic benchmark tests BUT real world results will have Tegra3 providing a better looking version of anything ipad2 would have. so your claims there are false also. if you felt so disappointed by Prime, f#&! the dock. go get u ipad2 with their crappy wireless keyboard and only 512mb of ram. with a piss poor front and rear cam. come on now..lol. the prime ain't selling out like crazy for nothing. Prime is here to stay and will continue to hold Crown of Best and Most powerful Android tablet ever created. plus will hold this title for several months as nothing is expected to release anytime soon.
The hype isnr about ipad2 or galxyvtab. the hype is about the Prime. Get used to it. The Prime is the best deal out there for what it offers. plus look at the updated Anadtech article addressing the GPS issue. He said the GPS issue isn't important enough to change his view on his reccomendation of tablet. they still hold it as the best ever and best deal for what it offers.
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tbns said:
The dock is great, but it really sounds like you are not terribly satisfied with the prime. Why don't you get an iPad 2 or Galaxy with a Bluetooth keyboard, and a case which allows them to be a single unit?
... and you do realize that the wi-fi only iPad 2 does not have GPS?
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that's what I'm thinking. instead of griping about it, just get something else. one of those outdated tabs he mentioned. because constantly downing the tablet then saying you still going to get one is a living contridiction. if I was so unsatisfied I wouldn't get one. regardless of keyboard dock. doesn't make sense.
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Prime has far more processing power than ipad2 as far as CPU goes. now if you meant how ipad2 gpu a lil more Power then OK. BUT even that claim has been debunked by developers n reviewers. they said yeah the ipad2 gpu may score better in synthetic benchmark tests BUT real world results will have Tegra3 providing a better looking version of anything ipad2 would have. so your claims there are false also. if you felt so disappointed by Prime, f#&! the dock. go get u ipad2 with their crappy wireless keyboard and only 512mb of ram. with a piss poor front and rear cam. come on now..lol. the prime ain't selling out like crazy for nothing. Prime is here to stay and will continue to hold Crown of Best and Most powerful Android tablet ever created. plus will hold this title for several months as nothing is expected to release anytime soon.
The hype isnr about ipad2 or galxyvtab. the hype is about the Prime. Get used to it. The Prime is the best deal out there for what it offers. plus look at the updated Anadtech article addressing the GPS issue. He said the GPS issue isn't important enough to change his view on his reccomendation of tablet. they still hold it as the best ever and best deal for what it offers.
The prime + dock is an amazing combination but I completely agree that the tablet on it's own gives nothing that's that special. the galaxy has CM9 now, which everyone who has used it says makes it fly, so I'm sure you won't notice such a huge difference between them, not to mention the difference in speed you are likely to see vs a prime with bad wifi. there are primes with good wifi but many people are having to fight through exchanges to get them. and comparing any android tablet on specs to the iPad is ridiculous since they have different OSs, and so use their specs differently.
I am still waiting for my prime purely because of the dock, and a hope that mine will have no wifi/bluetooth issues.
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Razer likes to over-reach at the conceptual stage. Last year they had everybody in ooohs and aaahs at their switchblade concept.
It started as this...
and finally ended as this...
Which was initially supposed to hit the markets pre-christmas at a whopping $2800. Still not out, however, due to hardware delays (specifically the SSD).
I'm not bashing the end result - it's still an incredible looking machine. But it's easy to recognize the gap between their concept piece and end-result. I wouldn't bank your desire for a tablet purchase in the near-future on them. Switchblade went from concept at CES '11 to deviated end-result that still isn't out by the following CES '12.
They are ambitious, and make some nifty peripherals (although not without their share of negative feedback). Largely, they are good at marketing, possibly a little too good at it as the end-results tend to fall a little shy of their blog-hyped press-releases and snazzy concept photography.
Now CES is mere days away, and i might be caught eating my words by mid-July when they magically drop a shiny new tablet on the market . All I'm suggesting is don't take Razer marketing as gospel - it's very much crafted to generate hype - sometimes more than is warranted when the end-result shows up.
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The prime + dock is an amazing combination but I completely agree that the tablet on it's own gives nothing that's that special.
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Nothing special.. lets keep that remark until the real tegra 3 games start sprouting up?
Gal tab will excrete blocks of hardened clay when the T3's gloves come off.
For all things Tegra4.
Early reports from MWC confirmed first Tegra4 chips-Multicore 28nm A15 Cortex chips(I think it may have 8 cores) have been stamped in December and already in hands of OEM for testing and use. With all the hot competition going on now, Nvidia is speeding up the process to bring these to market ASAP. with chips like Qualcomm S4, apple new chip, and Samsung Exynos, Nvidia is coming with all guns blazing to stay ahead of everyone. A version of Tegra4 codename Grey will eventually be released with built in LTE radio. this came from the assimilation of Icera. ill even admit, with tegra3 not currently having an LTE or built in radio, it might be overlooked by some companies if they want to make a data connection model. not all companies make those tablets so Tegra3 will still have a very large footprint of tablet devices as already seen from what's been announced at MWC and before. at least 11 devices so far will use the tegra3 chip.
with the competition getting fierce Nvidia is looking to stand strong behind the Tegra brand. So be on the look out in this thread for latest Tegra4/Wayne/Grey info and specs.
www.extremetech.com/computing/120201-why-nvidia-will-rush-to-tegra-4-as-fast-as-it-can
I will update this OP with Tegra4 news and specs. can't wait to see how much more powerful this puppy is than what's currently out or coming out.
until OP is updated with more Tegra4 news, here is a very good read for all you tech heads. Huge breakthroughs are about to be reached in CPU scaling and mobile computing.
FUTURE OF CPU SCALING: EXPLORING OPTIONS ON THE CUTTING EDGE
www.extremetech.com/extreme/120353-the-future-of-cpu-scaling-exploring-options-on-the-cutting-edge
More info: around October 2012 release @ earliest for Wayne/second most powerful version
1)Confirmation first version of Tegra4 will be 28nm Quad core A15 Cortex CPU @ 1.5Ghz and will have a 24 Core high powered GPU
2)SECOND version of tegra4 will be alot more powerful than the first. It will have no less than a 8 core CPU and have between a 32-64 Core GPU which will be DirectX compliant and more high standards. Look at screenshots for details
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UPDATE 3/30/2012: Tegra4 will more than likely be Keplar based. All indications point to it.
Some details and facts on the matter:
-" Nvidia’s Tegra 4, codenamed Wayne, included assertions that Nvidia’s next-gen SoC will use a Kepler-derived graphics core. That’s probably true, but the implications are considerably wider than a simple boost to the chip’s graphics performance. Tegra 4, also known as T40, could very well be a fundamental game-changer for Nvidia and the most important Tegra product to date"
-Improved Game Performance:
" The GPU that powers Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 has a fixed number of pixel and vertex shaders and is much more closely related to GeForce 7-era products than the Unified Shader Architecture Nvidia debuted with the G80 (GeForce 8). When Nvidia describes T2 & 3 as “fully programmable,” it’s true — but it’s not at all the same as being DirectCompute/CUDA/OpenCL-compatible. Current Tegra products are capable of running complex shader programs, but not the general-purpose code that makes things like PhysX or GPGPU calculations possible"
Unifying of Shader Architecture
-" GPUs with a Unified Shader Architecture (all Nvidia products from G80 onwards) have two advantages over their fixed-function cousins. First, they’re more efficient. A fixed-function GPU’s performance can vary considerably from game to game depending on whether a title emphasizes pixel shading or model geometry; this is quite visible when comparing performance between Tegra 2/3 and the SGX 544. A Kepler-based GPU would be much more flexible, able to allocate its execution resources to process either workload. This can indirectly lead to decreased power usage — a wide array of more efficient stream processors doesn’t necessarily need to run at nearly as high a clockspeed as a fixed-function chip.
Second, and arguably more important, is their ability to handle functions that would normally be processed on the CPU. This is where we expect T40 to come into its own."
-" As a software SDK for physics calculation, Nvidia’s PhysX solution has been quite successful; it’s used in nearly 400 games across consoles and PCs"
Tegra4 Goes Beyond Gaming
-" Tegra 4 also gives Nvidia a fresh platform with which to bundle its Icera modem and DirectTouch products. Its Icera product family is a set of softmodems for LTE and WiFi, while DirectTouch is technology that “improves touch responsiveness by offloading some of the touch processing that is typically performed by touch controllers and touch modules onto the Nvidia Tegra 3 application processor [Companion Core]. The architecture also simplifies the implementation of touch based hardware and user interfaces, requiring less power while delivering more scalable performance.”
Speaking of the Companion Core, Tegra 4 will almost certainly include an enhanced version of the architecture. With Tegra 3, Nvidia chose to build an array of five Cortex-A9 cores — in Tegra 4, the company could opt to adopt the sort of hybrid strategy ARM introduced with big.LITTLE (Cortex-A15 cores for heavy lifting with a Cortex-A7 chip for low power) or use a hybrid A9/A15 arrangement"
-" A Kepler-based GPU will also likely improve Tegra 4′s video encode/decode capabilities as compared to Tegra 3. This is one area where the T2/T3 family is significantly more advanced than the GeForce 7-era hardware they resemble in other respects, but a GK104-derived chip could improve the situation further by either increasing power efficiency, supporting a wider variety of formats and standards, or providing an increased number of post-processing options"
-" Nvidia has always marketed CUDA as a capability that could exponentially increase performance, but the company’s efforts in this area have mostly been confined to scientific computing or high-end industrial applications" Opportunity for CUDA is in Tegra4
VERY IMPORTANT RIGHT HERE!
-" Nvidia can’t count on the Cortex-A15 as a differentiator, given that the likes of Samsung and Texas Instruments will have their own A15-based products out by the end of the year as well. Graphics are the logical area for Nvidia to emphasize; a mobile GPU based on Kepler would be far more advanced than anything currently offered by Imagination Technologies’ PowerVR, ARM’s Mali, or the aging Adreno core."
-" We expect the company will attempt to position Tegra 4 as a chip that can leverage its GPU in ways that are beyond its competition. If the hardware delivers and the software support is in place, it could give Nvidia a potent weapon against OMAP5, Exynos, and future Medfield products from Intel."
Source: Extreme Tech www.extremetech.com/computing/12433...could-revolutionize-smartphone-capabilities/2
updated OP with a great read on future of CPU technology, Scaling, etc.. for the tech heads who love this type of stuff.
2012 and the first half of 2013 are going to be interesting for Nvidia because their going to be battling some formidable competitors with Teg3. From the article the story was sourced from...
The silicon took some time to get back and the company is now starting to sample its OEM partners with the next generation parts which will be launched at the next years' CES and MWC. You can probably expect a repeat of the Tegra 3 launch - limited run of units through a single vendor (in case of Tegra 3, it was ASUS and Transformer Prime tablet), and mass availability in the second quarter of 2013.
MWC 2013 will also see the debut of Grey, a 28nm single-chip package which combines Cortex-A15 cores, the new GPU and the Icera 4G LTE baseband. Grey is a successor of T28, which is a dual-core Tegra 2 combined with an Icera 450 baseband chip. The Tegra+Icera debuted at the show in the form of ZTE Mimosa X smartphone.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/mwc-201...ra-4-to-oem-partners/15014.html#ixzz1njqVFXy0
demandarin said:
For all things Tegra4.
Early reports from MWC confirmed first Tegra4 chips-Multicore 28nm A15 Cortex chips(I think it may have 8 cores) have been stamped in December and already in hands of OEM for testing and use. With all the hot competition going on now, Nvidia is speeding up the process to bring these to market ASAP. with chips like Qualcomm S4, apple new chip, and Samsung Exynos, Nvidia is coming with all guns blazing to stay ahead of everyone. A version of Tegra4 codename Grey will eventually be released with built in LTE radio. this came from the assimilation of Icera. ill even admit, with tegra3 not currently having an LTE or built in radio, it might be overlooked by some companies if they want to make a data connection model. not all companies make those tablets so Tegra3 will still have a very large footprint of tablet devices as already seen from what's been announced at MWC and before. at least 11 devices so far will use the tegra3 chip.
with the competition getting fierce Nvidia is looking to stand strong behind the Tegra brand. So be on the look out in this thread for latest Tegra4/Wayne/Grey info and specs.
www.extremetech.com/computing/120201-why-nvidia-will-rush-to-tegra-4-as-fast-as-it-can
I will update this OP with Tegra4 news and specs. can't wait to see how much more powerful this puppy is than what's currently out or coming out.
until OP is updated with more Tegra4 news, here is a very good read for all you tech heads. Huge breakthroughs are about to be reached in CPU scaling and mobile computing.
FUTURE OF CPU SCALING: EXPLORING OPTIONS ON THE CUTTING EDGE
www.extremetech.com/extreme/120353-the-future-of-cpu-scaling-exploring-options-on-the-cutting-edge
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I'm actually surprised by the link. The author from Extremetech & VR-Zone both have.. or at least have pessimistic view toward Tegra...
For example, Extremetech is already pessimistic towards Tegra 3..
"Krait is a processing core that is unique to Qualcomm, and is designed to compete with Cortex-A15, not the older A9 used in Tegra 3. If this is indicative of what manufacturers can do with A15, OMAP5 and the revamped Exynos could also prove problematic for Nvidia’s Tegra 3"
Another quote from VR-Zone:
"unlike the roadmap which we have here, we've been told that there might be some delays for the T40 since NVIDIA has to attack Qualcomm Snapdragon, and if the company won't offer Tegra 4+Baseband - Qualcomm will get (most) of the design wins.
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Wordlywisewiz said:
Yes it was but he posts a thread every hour about how cool and awesome nvidia/asus/prime/tegra3/Tegra4 and links to news sources I mean find something better to do man
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Funny you would say that he should find something better to do
He's one of the only guys not whining and complaining like most people do in this forum... +1 from me and thx 4 the news.
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With all the hot competition going on now, Nvidia is speeding up the process to bring these to market ASAP.
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I find the stuff you post to be interesting and don't mind it at all. And posting about Nvidia in general in the forum of a device powered by their chip is cool too. What drives me crazy is your one-sided and selective characterizations of what you post. Based on the title of your thread and quote above, two months ago I could have posted "Exynos 5250 is here!" because it was in sampling even though mass production isn't until Q2. You'd have been all over me for misrepresenting the data and rightfully so. Based on what you posted, Nvidia's going to be going up against some impressive SoCs from Samsung, TI, Qualcomm, Intel, and Huawei for the entire year and part of next year with nothing but Teg3. That to me was the most interesting part of what you posted even though I had to dig it out myself. And don't forget they were months late with Teg3 so "speeding up the process" is relative.
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I find the stuff you post to be interesting and don't mind it at all. And posting about Nvidia in general in the forum of a device powered by their chip is cool too. What drives me crazy is your one-sided and selective characterizations of what you post. Based on the title of your thread and quote above, two months ago I could have posted "Exynos 5250 is here!" because it was in sampling even though mass production isn't until Q2. You'd have been all over me for misrepresenting the data and rightfully so. Based on what you posted, Nvidia's going to be going up against some impressive SoCs from Samsung, TI, Qualcomm, Intel, and Huawei for the entire year and part of next year with nothing but Teg3. That to me was the most interesting part of what you posted even though I had to dig it out myself. And don't forget they were months late with Teg3 so "speeding up the process" is relative.
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Very well worded that's what I was getting at his threads tend to be very fan boyish and always lean towards the prime being the best... Usually fan boyness happens in other fourms like you should post stuff like this in ipad fourms
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I partially agree but with all the other b.s. threads that has nothing to do with Prime, this will fit right in. plus there's a good chance Asus will use this chip since Asus claims to want to be first at things now. plus its related to Nvidia/tegra3. so its relevant
I'd suggest telling same thing to all the other non prime threads.
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Great... they couldn't get it right with the Prime so now they can blunder through & fiddle with a Tegra 4. "First at things"for Asus is proving to be half baked.
BarryH_GEG said:
I find the stuff you post to be interesting and don't mind it at all. And posting about Nvidia in general in the forum of a device powered by their chip is cool too. What drives me crazy is your one-sided and selective characterizations of what you post. Based on the title of your thread and quote above, two months ago I could have posted "Exynos 5250 is here!" because it was in sampling even though mass production isn't until Q2. You'd have been all over me for misrepresenting the data and rightfully so. Based on what you posted, Nvidia's going to be going up against some impressive SoCs from Samsung, TI, Qualcomm, Intel, and Huawei for the entire year and part of next year with nothing but Teg3. That to me was the most interesting part of what you posted even though I had to dig it out myself. And don't forget they were months late with Teg3 so "speeding up the process" is relative.
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Agreed. Mostly about the blind, unsubstantiated support of teg3/prime and never considering anything could be better or outperform it. I like the guy but the level of fanboi is the highest I have ever seen. We all like to support put devices and tout them as the best, but it gets to a level of pure insanity at times...
You guys wouldn't believe what showed up at my door again today. lol...Let me just say that some C2's have bluetooth and wifi fixed. But wifi range is still garbage.
I don't care what anyone says, Asus International rocks! Welcome me back guys.
Did you buy another prime? Or did they send you another free tablet?
PM sent......
Op updated with more Tegra4 info and facts. First version will be 28nm Quad Core A15 cortex CPU @ 1.5Ghz and 24 core GPU. Along with confirmation of second version having 8 core CPU and 32-64 core GPU. Projected October 2012 release date. Now this is something to wait for.
Major update in the OP. Just scroll down to 3/30/2012 update.
TEGRA4 WILL LIKELY BE KEPLAR BASED! I'm keeping prime until this releases. No other chip announced to come out will come close to this kind of power, capabilities, and potential. Nvidia looking to revolutionize the industry again. Tegra4 will be the chip to be excited and anxious for.
To be honest each time Nvidia release a new chip it is overtaken shortly after... see samsung's new chip vis a vis tegra 3... so I disagree with your statement. also there is no point in increasing performance power if the software lacks proper support for it.
BuZzCoRe said:
To be honest each time Nvidia release a new chip it is overtaken shortly after... see samsung's new chip vis a vis tegra 3... so I disagree with your statement. also there is no point in increasing performance power if the software lacks proper support for it.
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here's the thing, Samsungs new chip is not out yet and won't be for at least a couple to few more months. So that'll mean Nvidia tegra3 held the title of most powerful Android chip for at least half the year or more. so that's not shortly overtaken. plus when these other chips come out, Tegra4 will be also. Tegra4 said to release q4/fall of this year. So nvidia will overtake those again.
show me a Android chip out right now considered and shown to be more powerful than Tegra3 then ill be quiet. Show me a release date on a product using any Android chip more powerful than tegra3. There is none shown to come within a month or two or even 3. Tegra3 will have then been dominant chip for half the year or more. Market is already about to be flooded with more tegra3 based tablets. So these other chipmakers are actually behind the curve. not Nvidia.
as far as no since in increasing performance power when no proper software support, that's not on Nvidia, that has been the story of Android as a whole its whole life. I've always said its better for software optimation vs. constant hardware spec war. Since all android manufacturers want to continue the spec wars, then Nvidia is making sure to bring the big guns. Android marketing is a different beast than apples. Android focuses more on hardware specs and features. It'll be on Google and developers to bring the software up to speed.
End of 2012 will be interesting, both the hardware news and software (W8).
Nice that it's coming faster hardware but what good does I makes when you don't can use it for any good. Is there any app that need more power then Tegra 3 provide? There isn't hardly any games out there that takes full advantage of all the hype around Tegra 3. All games that was said to come always being pushed forward in time.
Have always looked at the specifications and numbers on papper and like when there comes new hardware and stuff.. But for now I starting to feel that do we really need faster more powerful systems when we don't have any apps that can use it.
One thing were the extra power can come in handy is when browsing. But wtf we don't even have a good browser that give a stable and good experience.
And the main thing for tablets is just browsing.
Have had Galaxy Tab 7,Xoom, Galaxy Tab 10.1 and all this devices felt like beta products and i was fine with it because it was all new ground. And I thought a part of all problems was the hardware and that the software needed some time. It have now been a year and I now own a Prime that is the best device so far, But still it feels like parts missing when the software doesn't keep up to the hardware. Must be hard for hardware manufacturer when they make good components that need to run a beta software.
Android tablets are big phones trying to be a PC and it don't do it very well. If Google don't step up I think W8 will have a good chance to succeed.
The move to make ICS for phones and tablets wasn't a good move.. I think it would been better to have one phone OS and one Tablet OS. All development of apps just make the phone apps scale to bigger screen and it don't look good.. Would been better if the developer needed to make it look good and not just make it work.
Interesting time a heads, But I think that we need better software before hardware and that's why I'm pretty sure that my next tablet will run W8.
Looking forward to have a real file manager and Microsoft Office.
Went a little off topic now. But was what I had in mind and only a little make sense, The rest is just nonsens in Bad English.
A article that I agree to on what he is writing and thinking about android apps on tablets.. You can skip the parts that is about Ipad..
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401676,00.asp
Asus Prime & Tapatalk
Andreas527 said:
End of 2012 will be interesting, both the hardware news and software (W8).
Nice that it's coming faster hardware but what good does I makes when you don't can use it for any good. Is there any app that need more power then Tegra 3 provide? There isn't hardly any games out there that takes full advantage of all the hype around Tegra 3. All games that was said to come always being pushed forward in time.
Have always looked at the specifications and numbers on papper and like when there comes new hardware and stuff.. But for now I starting to feel that do we really need faster more powerful systems when we don't have any apps that can use it.
One thing were the extra power can come in handy is when browsing. But wtf we don't even have a good browser that give a stable and good experience.
And the main thing for tablets is just browsing.
Have had Galaxy Tab 7,Xoom, Galaxy Tab 10.1 and all this devices felt like beta products and i was fine with it because it was all new ground. And I thought a part of all problems was the hardware and that the software needed some time. It have now been a year and I now own a Prime that is the best device so far, But still it feels like parts missing when the software doesn't keep up to the hardware. Must be hard for hardware manufacturer when they make good components that need to run a beta software.
Android tablets are big phones trying to be a PC and it don't do it very well. If Google don't step up I think W8 will have a good chance to succeed.
The move to make ICS for phones and tablets wasn't a good move.. I think it would been better to have one phone OS and one Tablet OS. All development of apps just make the phone apps scale to bigger screen and it don't look good.. Would been better if the developer needed to make it look good and not just make it work.
Interesting time a heads, But I think that we need better software before hardware and that's why I'm pretty sure that my next tablet will run W8.
Looking forward to have a real file manager and Microsoft Office.
Went a little off topic now. But was what I had in mind and only a little make sense, The rest is just nonsens in Bad English.
A article that I agree to on what he is writing and thinking about android apps on tablets.. You can skip the parts that is about Ipad..
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401676,00.asp
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I agree completely. But since Android as a whole is stuck on throwing hardware specs around and being more powerful, we'll just roll with the punches then.
I've always said software is the key. Currently Im satisfied with android experience. I've already had the first Ipad for 2yrs. and experienced IOS. IMO Android is alot better and more productive. So i will be getting a tegra4 tablet once it does come. to me, only thing worth waiting for.
BuZzCoRe said:
To be honest each time Nvidia release a new chip it is overtaken shortly after... see samsung's new chip vis a vis tegra 3... so I disagree with your statement. also there is no point in increasing performance power if the software lacks proper support for it.
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Mobile SOC are one of the fastest moving industries in the tech world. A 4-6 month lead on release is HUGE because that is half the product cycle. I think Nvidia is doing a great job personally, but for them to get more design wins they have to be "in" the inner circle. Part of business is having a compelling product that is highly profitable and the other part is strictly relationship based.
This is the reason that my store in Virginia is slowly but surely taking off. We have a product that is better quality, 50% cheaper and have an industry leading return policy with a showroom that is LEAPS AND BOUNDS above what any competitors have to offer. With all that being said my employees are better trained and more knowledgeable.
BUT.... my competitors are still thriving.. Why? Because they have been the "big boys" on the block for the last 45 years and we have been here about 5..
Will our sales numbers over take theirs? Without a doubt, but it will take a while to "win" people over and establish our relationship with the community.
Assuming Intel or AMD doesnt get too serious about SOCs I think Nvidia will be a world leader, but it will take a bit to gain ground.
I for one think their 4 plus 1 architecture is brilliant. I would have liked to see a better GPU, but that will come. Fact of the matter is Tegra 3 is small, cheap, profitable, quick and drains not too much power for what it is capable of. THey just need to get their LTE chipset in line as that cost them a TON of business.
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Yep I have to agree about all this power & yet we lack on the software end of it.I may be looking at a tablet that Asus has with i think it's an I-5 or a I-7 processor in it.Yes it is a windows tablet & battery life isn't that good but the power & software are good.So if these Win 8 tablets or the new Tegra 4 isn't up to par then it's on to a windows tablet.
Apple released their damn ipad3 to like 20 countries worldwide! Readily available by anyone who wants one.
Then there is everyone else. Just sending out notices and pictures of new devices but never coming to reality.
Should be coming soon. June / July for the New Asus TF700 etc. I know Acer announced their Acer IconiaTab A510 for preorder few days ago.
However, I haven't seen a preorder site yet.
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However, I haven't seen a preorder site yet.
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http://www.amazon.com/Acer-A510-10s...TWKA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332643694&sr=8-1
April 6th is supposed to be the release date.
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http://www.amazon.com/Acer-A510-10s...TWKA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332643694&sr=8-1
April 6th is supposed to be the release date.
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Thank you sir. Was looking for it.
Kal - El Series Devices
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Tegra_3_.28Kal-El.29_series
opentoe said:
Apple released their damn ipad3 to like 20 countries worldwide! Readily available by anyone who wants one.
Then there is everyone else. Just sending out notices and pictures of new devices but never coming to reality.
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Funny how the ipad is readily available, while the TF201 to this date is still hard to find..
junrider said:
Funny how the ipad is readily available, while the TF201 to this date is still hard to find..
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Apple "owns" Foxconn they get production priority over everyone else.
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Apple "owns" Foxconn they get production priority over everyone else.
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Foxconn is big enough to support multiple companies. Do they even manufacture the prime?
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Foxconn is big enough to support multiple companies. Do they even manufacture the prime?
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No. It's built by Pegatron which was formerly owned by Asus. Pegatron was pressured by Apple to stop building the Asus Zenbook, not the Prime.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/02/13/repor...-choose-sides-give-up-asustek-zenbook-orders/
Foxconn, Pegatron, and Quanta (Kindle Fire) are the three biggest outsourced manufacturers.
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BarryH_GEG said:
No. It's built by Pegatron which was formerly owned by Asus. Pegatron was pressured by Apple to stop building the Asus Zenbook, not the Prime.
Foxconn, Pegatron, and Quanta (Kindle Fire) are the three biggest outsourced manufacturers.
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Irrespective of which plant produces the prime, the point is that apple exerts more influence in china than anyone else, I believe this article illustrates that point
Also, you can bet that apple had a finished units just being built and stockpiled for weeks / months before release. When i worked retail we would get new gadgets like a week or so before release date, meaning our warehouse got them aprox a month ahead of release date, meaning manufacturers had them being produced months in advance so they could be shipped and released.
TLDR: Apple has their **** in order, planned for huge release date, made hype, made sure that stock was there EVERYWHERE.
Asus, take note. This is what you should do for the TF700.
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Irrespective of which plant produces the prime, the point is that apple exerts more influence in china than anyone else, I believe this article illustrates that point
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Gee, dictatorships getting along. Who'd 'a thunk it?
I work for Apple and yes it's definitely true that their proprietary business practices and mainstream successes has given them significant cash flow to heavily influence the productions levels in manufacturing and service outsourced businesses.
But I wouldn't ever attribute Apple's demand to another company's inability to meet their supply, especially not ASUS. Manufacturers are given enough notice for a project that they can forecast the necessary workforce to meet the demand for multiple major projects. The Chinese are gods at workforce management. Combine that with their highly concentrated urban population and the underlying cost of that workforce and that's why they are so successful in the electronics industry.
If I had to guess, ASUS is either working with Google on a highly prioritized device... or is probably just putting more time into engineering and testing like they should've done with the Prime.
So you build a new product from the ground up or you just change the screen resolution and GPU. Which one takes more time? Hence the reason the TF700 will be out soon. Not much change between the TF201 and the TF700 execpt resolution. Not much change between the new iPad and the iPad 2 execpt resolution.
Also to mention when you have 2 versions of the same product to make once every 2 years or so, it's a lot easier to mass produce.
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So you build a new product from the ground up or you just change the screen resolution and GPU. Which one takes more time? Hence the reason the TF700 will be out soon. Not much change between the TF201 and the TF700 execpt resolution. Not much change between the new iPad and the iPad 2 execpt resolution.
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Actually, if you look at the button placement the TF700 is using a different PCB which means it's a different device. The TF300's PCB appears to be the same as the Prime's.
There is this brand new Samsung device... called Ipad 3.... Processor by Samsung and Screen by Samsung.
When they have finished producing this, Samsung will produce something similar for Android.
A Samsung A15 with a Samsung 1080p screen.
And when your local shop will finally have some Tegra 3 devices, nvidia will announce Tegra 4.
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There is this brand new Samsung device... called Ipad 3.... Processor by Samsung and Screen by Samsung.
When they have finished producing this, Samsung will produce something similar for Android.
A Samsung A15 with a Samsung 1080p screen.
And when your local shop will finally have some Tegra 3 devices, nvidia will announce Tegra 4.
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yep, basically..lol
one thing ill give Samsung credit for, they are the real contributors to apples success and its a shame. they basically produce the whole tablet and Ipad is such a success. yet they can't even replicate this into their own tablet with their brand name on it. yes they are making lots of money off of apple. Bit I think its holding Samsung back in the long run. they busy fueling the success of the enemy tablet and no real chance to focus on themselves. Samsung is big enough to where they don't need apple money. I'd say Samsung should cut them off completely. Then leave Apple to drown. Samsung has one of the best manufacturing processes. that's why Samsung was main maker of the new display. their factory was the only one equipped to make that display. Apple is getting all the credit for Samsung hard work manufacturing all of Apples main components. I believe Samsung will dig their own grave continuing to be apples slave. then you have apple trying to sue Samsung over patents and stopping the sales of tablets in other countries. When will Samsung wake up and Smell the coffee? look at how ungrateful apple has acted towards them.
I actually like Samsung. Alot of my posts seem against them but that's only because people try to compare them to my current tablet I own, Asus Transformer Prime. even before prime, I had my eyes on the Samsung tablet 7.7in. I loved the new specs and processor it would bring. it took too long to materialize so I moved on to the prime. I still plan on getting a Galaxy Note Phablet. would be perfect for me. That Asus Padfone that's 3-1 looks very tempting though. that's the most revolutionary idea yet. A phone, tablet, notebook all in one. love it
Samsung needs to cut Apple loose and focus on themselves. Apple is purposely trying to hold them back. without Samsung, apple wouldn't be able to mass produce their new high Res. display in large quantities. plus I didn't like at first how Samsung tried tl be like apple by not having any SD card slot. seems like now they catching on and one of their newer tabs. has an SD card slot now.
I can't wait for Tegra4 to be announced. its going to be Sick, spec wise. it will surpass anything out now and coming out, before its released. I have a dedicated tegra4 thread in here. it will be resurrected once newer info released on it. I know since December it was already sent out to all major manufacturers to test out. so it Right be here sooner than we think.
Many people don't understand how samsung works, samsung isn't one big company it's dozens, each doing a different thing, and each of these companies has to buy components from each other, and the way it rolls is that it would take too much out of samsung's profit margin if they used their own screens because they can't pay to have it produced, assembled, or pay for millions at a time like apple can but if samsung would combine all their companies on one products and make on really good tablet they may actually have a mythical "iPad killer"
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Many people don't understand how samsung works, samsung isn't one big company it's dozens, each doing a different thing, and each of these companies has to buy components from each other, and the way it rolls is that it would take too much out of samsung's profit margin if they used their own screens because they can't pay to have it produced, assembled, or pay for millions at a time like apple can but if samsung would combine all their companies on one products and make on really good tablet they may actually have a mythical "iPad killer"
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good point. ran out of thanks for the day.