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I wouldnt even know what to do with a phone that big / camera that small.
It might be cool if someone could hack it to get some nicer camera features like infrared photography, but they have gone a little crazy with their different S4's Just stick to one great phone Samsung!
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IF I had to choose a camera with android, id go with the samsung NX, but i am a canon and nikon guy. i prefer canon, but nikon has a great mirrorless camera system and some of their lenses are great quality!!!!
LOL smartphone camera?!? please if you're looking for a camera and are serious you wouldn't buy anything but a Nikon, maybe a Canon (meh) That is so gimicky, why would anyone bother? i mean the camera on the S4 is more then enough unless you bump up to a DSLR. If the regular S4 camera isn't enough, then you NEED a DSLR. TOTAL waste of someones money.
I think that if I were to have a point and shoot camera it would be great to be able to do more than just pictures. Full android can do so much.
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I think that if I were to have a point and shoot camera it would be great to be able to do more than just pictures. Full android can do so much.
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I agree... This replaces the point and shoot and has the ability to do all the things a smartphone can. This is perfect for someone like my mom. Honestly.
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LOL smartphone camera?!? please if you're looking for a camera and are serious you wouldn't buy anything but a Nikon, maybe a Canon (meh) That is so gimicky, why would anyone bother? i mean the camera on the S4 is more then enough unless you bump up to a DSLR. If the regular S4 camera isn't enough, then you NEED a DSLR. TOTAL waste of someones money.
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I disagree. For a decent amateur photographer the camera on the S4 is spartan. I could get a lot better pictures with just a little better camera. I wouldn't edc a dslr but I would happily trade a little size and weight for a little more camera built in to my smartphone.
Now, I don't know that this new iteration of the S4 is the right implementation but I'm glad they're working on it. IMO they need to dispatch with the gimmicks like 10x optical zoom and megapixel-mania and focus on a really high quality lens, (the S4 has a 13mp sensor and 2mp glass. Stupid.) and sensible placement of a few real buttons for on-the-fly control of the basic camera functions I mentioned above. I'd buy that all day every day.
I'd like to see a 10mp sensor with 10mp f2.0 glass with macro ability, no optical zoom, yes to image stabilization. ZERO SHUTTER LAG. Two rocker buttons on one side each to be used by an index finger, one for digital zoom, another for other controls (shutter speed/aperture, etc.) Two hard buttons on the opposite side each to be used by a thumb. One for shutter, the other to select which function the second rocker controls. Let the user reassign the buttons. Use wireless signal to trigger a hand-held flash accessory so that a real flash can be used properly. That's your winning smartphone-camera.
Not to say samsung point and shoots are as good as a nikon.... but samsung does make some pretty high quality cameras. I know the $200 samsung I picked up about 3 years ago outdid my friends D40. And was very close to the 3100. Do I want to talk into a giant camera? Hell no. But I just wouldn't be too quick to knock samsung cameras. They are a great value for the quality camera you get.
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please if you're looking for a camera and are serious you wouldn't buy anything but a Nikon, maybe a Canon (meh)
HAHA... so you're a nikon guy. I used to have a canon 5dII with a few L lenses. sold alll that to pay off debt and now i have a canon advanced point and shoot.
Last time i went nikon, it turned out really badly. NEVER AGAIN.
Their Samsungs new mirrorless camera the galaxy NX looks appealing, but if i were to go with interchangeable lenses again, i would go all out and go with my old setup with a fullframe and their L lenses.
I wouldnt mind going with nikons fullframe too, but I like canons loyalty program.
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Anyways, i would never buy the GS4 Zoom. Awkwaaaard.
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I have been having this idea from the day it was launched, i wanted to replace the camera in the MAX with the one from the Original HTC One.
Not that i find my photo's bad because of lack of OIS, it was just another crazy thought from day one of the phone being announced.
I have ordered the original camera module from etradesupply and have it with me now. i am thinking of doing it myself although i don't want to brick my phone lol.
As of now there is no guide for teardown of the MAX and that is kind of a show stopper for me. I have had experience of opening up a HTC One for a screen replacement for a friend of mine and have the required tools for it.
I would like to listen to thoughts from other users.
I use "camera awesome" from the play store it has optical image stabilization and a slew of other options
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Ummm... OIS is a hardware thing so no amount of software can provide it
well in the shooting modes there is image stabilization which will not allow the picture to be taken until stable and works flawlessly
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I have been having this idea from the day it was launched, i wanted to replace the camera in the MAX with the one from the Original HTC One.
Not that i find my photo's bad because of lack of OIS, it was just another crazy thought from day one of the phone being announced.
I have ordered the original camera module from etradesupply and have it with me now. i am thinking of doing it myself although i don't want to brick my phone lol.
As of now there is no guide for teardown of the MAX and that is kind of a show stopper for me. I have had experience of opening up a HTC One for a screen replacement for a friend of mine and have the required tools for it.
I would like to listen to thoughts from other users.
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Diminished return. If the camera drives you nuts right now the rest of the phone/display/etc will after you have torn it apart. Worse yet, your significant other may ban you to the sofa after things go awry.
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Ummm... OIS is a hardware thing so no amount of software can provide it
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That what i thought...
mnsportsguy1978 said:
well in the shooting modes there is image stabilization which will not allow the picture to be taken until stable and works flawlessly
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i have use a HTC One and coming from it, i did not see much of difference on the photo's.. as i said, it was just another crazy idea.
however, if image stabilization is a software thingy then Samsung and all other OEM's would have jumped into that already without needing a hardware for it.
If you consider DSLR lenses, there are lens with VC / image stabilization while other don't, so i am guessing its a hardware thingy.
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Diminished return. If the camera drives you nuts right now the rest of the phone/display/etc will after you have torn it apart. Worse yet, your significant other may ban you to the sofa after things go awry.
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yeah, i know and that is exactly why i am being patient on doing it. i have had the camera module with me for more than 2 weeks now.
To be honest, i came to this idea just because of the hype the media and the other members who actually believe OIS is something great and needed.
but as far as i have used my phone for photo's i never felt something missing, that is probably my usage of it.
I believe this is because the MAX is huge enough that we actually hold the phone in a more stable manner while taking pics.
I should probably try taking pics while on the move to see the actual difference of the OIS thing.
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I should probably try taking pics while on the move to see the actual difference of the OIS thing.
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This. For anyone wondering OIS is not going to magically make the pics any better. If you dont like the still shots it takes you will not like them with ois. Just my .02.
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This. For anyone wondering OIS is not going to magically make the pics any better. If you dont like the still shots it takes you will not like them with ois. Just my .02.
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Absolutely !
From HTC's Site:
The New HTC UltraPixel Camera
The new HTC One will be the first to feature the HTC UltraPixel Camera - an advanced imaging technology that offers a great leap in the quality of point-and-shoot photos and video. Smartphones have rapidly become the primary camera for millions of people, and taking pictures has become an indispensable part of daily life. HTC is committed to offering the highest quality camera available, so even everyday pictures are gratifying and memorable.
With our new camera, you’ll be able to quickly shoot vivid, true-to-life images with a wide range of colors, even in low light conditions. We accomplish this not by increasing the number of megapixels in the camera, but by engineering a more advanced CMOS Sensor, ISP, and optical lens system that captures significantly more light than most 8 or 13 megapixel cameras.
“We shouldn't scrap pixel count entirely when weighing smartphone cameras, but in terms of the hardware and software details that actually go into making a great photo, megapixels are highly overrated. It's high time we focus on other areas that count more, like that undersung sensor.
Jessica Dolcourt,
CNET
May 12, 2012
In this section we will describe for you how we’ve created the most sensitive smartphone camera, which include these key components of ImageSense technology:
UltraPixel Sensor - Engineered with larger pixels, it enables each pixel to capture more than 300% more light than most leading 13 megapixel cameras.
HTC ImageChip - Offers continuous autofocus, color shading, and noise reduction, as well as more realistic High Dynamic Range.
F/2.0 Aperture - The largest available smartphone camera aperture, it lets in 44% more light than the iPhone 5.
Optical Image Stabilization - Drastically reduces blur in still photos and shaky video footage.
While the HTC One max has a UltraPixel Camera Zoe only offers Digital Image Stabilization. The Definitions are below.
Optical Image Stabilization (Hardware)
Optical image stabilization is the most effective form of image stabilization. Camcorders with optical image stabilization typically feature tiny gyro-sensors inside the lens that quickly shift pieces of the lens glass to off-set your motion. An image stabilization technology is considered "optical" if it features a moving element inside the camcorder lens.
Some camcorder manufacturers let you turn optical image stabilization on and off, or include several modes to compensate for different kinds of camera movement (either vertical or horizontal).
Digital Image Stabilization (Software)
Unlike optical systems, digital image stabilization uses software technology to reduce the impact of shaky hands on your video. Depending on the model, this can be accomplished in several ways. Some camcorders will calculate the impact of your body movement and use that data to adjust which pixels on the camcorder's image sensor are being used.
For consumer digital camcorders, digital image stabilization is usually less effective than optical stabilization. Given that, it pays to look closely when a camcorder claims to have "image stabilization." It may only be of the digital variety.
Interesting... If you try this oit let us know. I cant think of changing phones any time soon but if the pictures would get that much better then I am all for it.
Btw I owned two different One's and didnt find the pictures on it that much better.
Im actually looking forward to the phone blox to become something of production. With moto and google backing the project it should happen.
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Jiggity Janx said:
Interesting... If you try this oit let us know. I cant think of changing phones any time soon but if the pictures would get that much better then I am all for it.
Btw I owned two different One's and didnt find the pictures on it that much better.
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I definitely am going to try this out, but just waiting for a dis-assembly video so that i don't damage my phone. It won't be harder than the one i hope lol
where can i find the screew driver to take the htc one max apart. the volume rocker got messed up and i need to fix it.
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where can i find the screew driver to take the htc one max apart. the volume rocker got messed up and i need to fix it.
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It's the standard Philips screw driver if i remember correctly.
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Hi, can some Max users post what sensor you have? You don't need to be rooted. Navigate to /sys/android_camera, open the file called sensor and post a screenshot.
Curious if Max users have the ST electronics sensor or the Omni sensor.
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Hi, can some Max users post what sensor you have? You don't need to be rooted. Navigate to /sys/android_camera, open the file called sensor and post a screenshot.
Curious if Max users have the ST electronics sensor or the Omni sensor.
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st vd6869(1.0) cinesensor 0000-00-00
st vd6869(1.0) cinesensor 0000-00-00
International version, HK region ROM
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I'm comparing it to my old HTC 10 and the quality is night and day. It's blurry/fuzzy, the colors are washed out. It reminds me of the quality of my old cheap webcam from 10 years ago.
Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
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It's terrible quality.
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My testing and photos say otherwise. Like I said, way more detail in the selfies I've taken than most people who sit for me would ever want to see in a photo. It's not the camera.
Hey, coming from a Nexus 6 ... this is a major improvement.
Okay let's settle this, 5 mp camera is not the best out there, especially compared to iPhone 8's new front facing camera or even Samsung's I guess, although I can only tell based on what I see on internet, as I don't own them. Makes me wonder why it's so hard to create a perfect phone? I mean you did almost everything perfectly right, put a damn 8 mp camera with ois or whatever and hit a home run, why did they choose this front facing camera is beyond my understanding
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
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Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
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Yes, bezels really only exist to hide hardware that they haven't figured out how to downsize or place elsewhere. To get tiny bezels, you have to use tiny camera, earpiece, and proximity sensor hardware or just get rid of them. OIS units make things much bigger as you have to put a ring of motors around the object you're stabilizing. Earpieces/speakers take up a lot of space. I'm guessing Google used the headphone jack space to add more battery and the second speaker, with the second speaker adding more bezel. Proximity sensor is probably the smallest thing in the bezels. Display drivers used to be a big contributor (Moto 360 flat tire was a display driver if I remember right) but with the modern OLED panels they just, er, tuck 'em.
Not passing judgement on the quality of the selfie cam, but I notice that as with the main camera, it too has a "wide angle" setting.
But with only the single camera, necessarily this means that the non-wide setting is digitally zoomed, plus I'd bet there's heavy software correction going on to get rid of all of the wide angle distortion. Perhaps that's asking too much from a 5 MP sensor?
However, I rarely take selfies, and when I do, I'm often trying to squeeze in the other people that are with me, or some scene in the background, so maybe I'll find the native wider angle appealing? Hard to tell in-store with all the florescent lighting.
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No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
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Agreed, turned all that off too and it still looks like crap.
Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Lol wow dude is talking about a selfie this guy says find something better to shoot lmao.
I've never taken an awful photo with the front facing V30 camera. I really don't understand how anyone thinks it's awful.
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From my experience, it only does poorly in low light, that is, compared to 2017 flagships. I don't think it's nearly as bad a many claim it is.
If you look at a lot of of comparisons with the between the likes of the note 8, iphone x and pixel 2, it holds up really well. The biggest difference is really between the pixel 2 and pretty much every other flagship front facer, it has by far the best front facing cam on the market by a good margin imo. The v30 front cam can look really good, is just dosen't produce quite as much detail as the others, and maybe lacks in dynamic range a bit.
If you turn on flash in low light, you see better results. It’s not real flash obviously but I’ve been impressed when it gets it right.
maybe youre ugly lol jk
Morning all
Of all the camera modes available, is Macro one of them?
I had the S20 Ultra and it was crap for anything close-up, so i switched back to the trusty Huawei.
I've always fancied a Note, and now the Note 20 is out, i can't justify the 20 Ultra's price tag, when the regular one will do what i need it to. Just wondering if Macro is one of the options, and if focussing is still an issue like the S20's had?
Look forward to your comments
Note 20 and 20 Ultra have ultrawide cameras without autofocus. Therefore macro is not an option. In my opinion this is a much bigger problem that the Note 20's plastic back (which actually looks pretty nice).
Actually, I've found the telephoto camera to have a very close focusing distance to make macro possible. Have you tried that?
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Actually, I've found the telephoto camera to have a very close focusing distance to make macro possible. Have you tried that?
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I don't see a way to access telephoto mode. Can you describe or provide screen shots?
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I don't see a way to access telephoto mode. Can you describe or provide screen shots?
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In the Samsung camera app, there are 3 icons above the shutter button. Left is 3 trees, center is 2 trees, right is 1 tree. Those represent the different cameras you can choose.
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In the Samsung camera app, there are 3 icons above the shutter button. Left is 3 trees, center is 2 trees, right is 1 tree. Those represent the different cameras you can choose.
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I'm definitely not seeing what you are seeing. I only see those 3 icons in video mode.
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I'm definitely not seeing what you are seeing. I only see those 3 icons in video mode.
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Turn off the 64MP mode. You want 12 MP. It's better image quality too. The standard camera is the only one that does 64MP, which is probably why you aren't seeing the others, and with 12MP, the camera uses pixel binning to improve image quality and low light captures.
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Turn off the 64MP mode. You want 12 MP. It's better image quality too. The standard camera is the only one that does 64MP, which is probably why you aren't seeing the others, and with 12MP, the camera uses pixel binning to improve image quality and low light captures.
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Thanks, and holey crap my keyboard is dirty!!! ???
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Thanks, and holey crap my keyboard is dirty!!! ???
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How do you turn off 64?mode
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How do you turn off 64?mode
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Tap the 64mp and choose the *second option to your left.
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I used both the 6 and friends 6 Pro and the results are different completely.
I do know that the Pixel 6 Pro is using the Samsung GN1, but how we can be sure that Google is using the same camera sensor on the 6?
Tried to find out using AIDA and other apps but it won't show the sensor name..
Pixel 6 sensor is also Samsung GN1
Dayuser said:
Pixel 6 sensor is also Samsung GN1
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I dont see they mentioned it in the manufacturer site.
Put them Side by side with same lighting conditions youll notice difference between the two.
What kind of differences? Great if you did a comparison side by side example here.
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What kind of differences? Great if you did a comparison side by side example here.
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I don't have the files but the main key differences are:
Pixel 6:
Less saturated.
Most photos the subject are lack of brightness.
Less fine details.
Selfie cam is just lack of details.
More noisy camera output (dirty photos)
HDR is just a joke.
Most photos are lifeless..
On the other hand Pixel 6 Pro:
Wider Dynamic range.
Way less noise than the counterpart.
More fine details.
HDR is better, not by much but the difference is there.
Selfie cam is way better, lets leave the selfie cam aside because it's
an different camera module (11mpx vs 8mpx).
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I dont see they mentioned it in the manufacturer site.
Put them Side by side with same lighting conditions youll notice difference between the two.
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They don't have to mentioned. It is said that sensor is 50MP 1/1.31" with 1.2 μm pixels. There is no other sensor with that specs.
Hmm i removed the tempered glass that i applied, will check today if it fixed my photo taking experience.
I do know that "glue" is applied and the heat from the phone might cause blurriness due to that.