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I posted my first post in the wrong section but I will try it here:
This is my first post and, I am truly sorry if I did not see anything already in General about a Rom Selection.
My first root is going to be a EVO 3D. I have found your page on doing so and it was very useful. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1192245)
I just need suggestions on what ROM to take on. I saw that the biggest are the mikG and Viper rom. If my understanding is correct you can get better battery life with Viper? Thats what I am aiming for.
Also once flashed could I go back to the original stock rom, lets say if sprint found out? or my phone broke and I needed to get a new one? I am sure some sort of warranty is not valid.
Also would Windows be the best option to root with or could I just use my iMac?
I greatly appreciate your time and if I am overstepping my bounds then I would be glad if you could point me in the right direction.
Thanks much.
Culljosh
Hey culljosh! You seem like a pretty nice guy I own a macbook pro but for using revolutionary its soooo much easier to hop on a windows machine, I recommend that if it's possible. When it comes to Roms I have ran steel, supra, viper, and virus and my favorite is virus because of the lack of sense and 12 hours battery. Viper is my second choice, I love the developers and the control script rocks! After you use revolutionary you can flash twrp, which is a custom recovery. After you flash that you can use the option called nandroid back up which copies your whole phone and then gives you the option to go back to it if something goes wrong. So do that right after rooting and you will be good to go! Throw anymore questions at me, and welcome to xda . If you want instant support the channel #htc-evo-3d on irc.freenode.net is active with some really nice people. If you don't know about irc, googling will help you out. I typed this from my shooter so sorry if something is messy
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every phones different test some roms see what works best for your phone simple run each one 2 days that's normally a good amount of time to see how the rom will perform
Thanks guys. I am rooting for the first time and selected the viper rom cause I read it removes bloatware and battery life is a better. Any other suggestions?
CHEERS
Just like Cheezy said Rom is a personal choice and all phones perform a little differently despite having the same hardware. You really have to test each rom out and see which one is for you and your phone. I prefer virus airbourne, but you may like something else. My battery was at 66% when I went to bed last night. That was after 16 hours of light to moderate use.
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housry23 said:
Just like Cheezy said Rom is a personal choice and all phones perform a little differently despite having the same hardware. You really have to test each rom out and see which one is for you and your phone. I prefer virus airbourne, but you may like something else. My battery was at 66% when I went to bed last night. That was after 16 hours of light to moderate use.
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On the rom you are using is the 3D cam working correctly?
I actually installed viper 1.3 and the bloatware is missing but no 3d Cam action ;/
Kind of sad at the end of it.
CHEERS!
OK so this is like the 6th time I've rooted my device, after reading many threads / websites, etc, all saying how 'amazing' root is. Well, I'm still disappointed.
Is there anything good to use for root users?
OK theres titanium backup, but that's useless - to me - as bloatware doesn't bother me and I don't **** around with my device.
Granted, GameCih2 is good, but it rips the fun out of games after a while.
I can't seem to find any other root apps that make me think 'Damn, I'm glad I rooted my phone!' just so that I can use that app.
-Title, Thanks.
Rooting is often better when using alternate roms.
You have to root if you plan to use MIUI... and I've been thinking "damn I love my phone" ever since I flashed MIUI
RicoonDK said:
You have to root if you plan to use MIUI... and I've been thinking "damn I love my phone" ever since I flashed MIUI
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Looks VERY nice, how's the battery life though?
If you have no idea what root is, and expecting something magical to happen, maybe it's better to just leave it as it is.
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If you have no idea what root is, and expecting something magical to happen, maybe it's better to just leave it as it is.
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I know exactly what root is, I just don't see the big fuss about it.
CyanogenMod is the big fuss lol
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Yeah, you don't "**** around with your device" so overclocking, kernels, radios, and roms are not really for you.
Adfree, TB, ROM manager, root explorer, cache cleaner, etc. The list goes on.. Superuser only.
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I know exactly what root is, I just don't see the big fuss about it.
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If you'd knew you wouldn't start threads like this. You're like a guy who buys a lawnmower just because everyone says how awesome they are, but you live in a flat. So you just store your lawnmower in the living room, and have no use for it. If you don't need root, don't root. Many of us need it for certain things we do with our phones. It's not because all the cool kids have it, so we have it also.
Likewise root ls required to carry out certain tasks.
SGS newbies seem to root phone just because rather than as a tool required .
jje
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okmijnlp said:
OK so this is like the 6th time I've rooted my device, after reading many threads / websites, etc, all saying how 'amazing' root is. Well, I'm still disappointed.
Is there anything good to use for root users?
OK theres titanium backup, but that's useless - to me - as bloatware doesn't bother me and I don't **** around with my device.
-Title, Thanks.
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The person that is happy with the device the way it came out of the box has no reason to root. I would think the average XDA member is not that user. The ability to have as much control of your device as possible is what root enables. For instance Titanium Backup allows me to backup my apps so when things go wrong I can restore my device much quicker without re-downloading every app.
Rooting allows the installation of Clockwork or Streakmod recovery which enable Nandroid backups of the entire system. Then to me the ultimate reason to root is to experience custom ROM's. These developers that take it upon themselves to improve the operating systems that run the devices are incredible. Doing things the billion dollar corporations can't or won't do to make the devices perform to the utmost of their abilities. This is not of course for people that don't f73k around with their devices. You have wasted you time 6 times.
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... You're like a guy who buys a lawnmower just because everyone says how awesome they are, but you live in a flat. So you just store your lawnmower in the living room, and have no use for it...
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LMAO. Brilliant analogy. Not exactly accurate. But amusingly random and gets the point across...
flashing....
RicoonDK said:
You have to root if you plan to use MIUI... and I've been thinking "damn I love my phone" ever since I flashed MIUI
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I loved my HD2 running hyperdroid. But i just got a Galaxy s2 and Im not impressed with (stock) device. I swear the streaming video was clearer, the wifi reception better, and internet was faster on my rooted HD2 than a stock Galaxys2.
After your flash, are these the kind of things that were improved? I cant even remember how my WM HD2 compared in these areas to my android HD2.
What recovery do you think is better as of late?
And which one do you use on your 3D?
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For this choice, it all depends on what your phone can handle. I've been on clockwork since the Hero days and never deviated until I finally was able to put TWRP on.
I'm a sucker for themes, and when they said you could theme TWRP, I knew it was for me.
Twrp! The touch controls are awesome.
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Clockwork has new touch controls now as well. While not as good as TWRP they are still touch enabled
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TWRP features a touch screen, faster flashing, waaaaaaay faster backups and restores, and is overall better than clockworkmod.
However, some factors may stop you from using TWRP. It is buggy and support has ended for it, but I haven't encountered bugs so I don't see need for more support.
CWM has more features but tbh most of them aren't really useful. It is probably the most stable, so if you care about stability, CWM is for you. You'll still be stuck with hardware navigation (no touchscreen) and sloooow backups/restores.
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yousefak said:
TWRP features a touch screen, faster flashing, waaaaaaay faster backups and restores, and is overall better than clockworkmod.
However, some factors may stop you from using TWRP. It is buggy and support has ended for it, but I haven't encountered bugs so I don't see need for more support.
CWM has more features but tbh most of them aren't really useful. It is probably the most stable, so if you care about stability, CWM is for you. You'll still be stuck with hardware navigation (no touchscreen) and sloooow backups/restores.
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Support has ended for TWRP?
I prefer TWRP. I'm not a fan of CWM recovery. I used CWM once on my Hero CDMA, but I never liked it.
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Support has ended for TWRP?
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Sure did. They have a whole write-up about it over on their website.
Cwm is stable with more features...more technical features...
I tried twrp.2.0...loved it specially the touch screen feature. but occasionally while doing nandroid it turned off my screen... I can't navigate.... I need to pull out my bat then redo process.. read same problem on some users too.. I will wait a little longer when its stable...
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TWRP is better IMO.... updated when TWRP 2.0 came out but then went back to TWRP 1.1 ... i don know if it was just me but TWRP 1.1 is much faster then 2.0 luved the touch screen feature tho.....
Apparently some of Team Win will still be working on adding features to CWM. Development for TWRP has ended and although I preferred TWRP, CWM should start getting better while TWRP slowly dies off.
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TWRP is better IMO.... updated when TWRP 2.0 came out but then went back to TWRP 1.1 ... i don know if it was just me but TWRP 1.1 is much faster then 2.0 luved the touch screen feature tho.....
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I like the abilty to flash multiple zips at once. Yeah the touch controls are nice but I love being able to cue up 5 zips and sit back while it flashes everything in one go
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My clockwork was corrupted.... I believe when I tried to flash recovery as EVO 4G by mistake (damn old habbits anyway, i had to manually flash TWRP and now im not so sure how i can get back Clockwork! Maybe I dont want it back. LOL. Dont laugh at me i may be a newb but I can teach you how to kill zombies on black ops as good as the best of em'
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My clockwork was corrupted.... I believe when I tried to flash recovery as EVO 4G by mistake (damn old habbits anyway, i had to manually flash TWRP and now im not so sure how i can get back Clockwork! Maybe I dont want it back. LOL. Dont laugh at me i may be a newb but I can teach you how to kill zombies on black ops as good as the best of em'
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The easy way is to download ROM manager and once installed click on "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery". That's it you are back.
Yeah I love twrp 2.0. Works great for me, touch and super fast. I haven't encountered any bugs. However, I put it on my sisters phone and she gets the bug where screen goes black and battery must be pulled. Not sure why it'd happen to her and not me?
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2.0 is WAY faster than any previous builds, or any other recovery that I've ever used for that matter. i believe that it actually utilizes both cores. I've never had a single issue with 2.0, but of course there are others that have. i am very disappointed that they have stopped support but who knows what will pop up next because of that things they have done.
Trust me, I tried that. Didn't work. I was using CM7 when this all happened. Kind of put me in a bind until I manually flashed twrp. thats when i posted that. But then I deleted that PG100 bla bla whatever file out of my root, and I LOST MY RECOVERY AGAIN! I ripped some hair out of my head, then put the file back in root, reflashed, got my recovery back, then flashed SYNERGY, and ran clockwork from there. then flashed clockwork recovery just as you stated and then it worked. LOL. Guess thats why they refuse to call the cm7 a beta and not a stable huh?
superman1979 said:
Cwm is stable with more features...more technical features...
I tried twrp.2.0...loved it specially the touch screen feature. but occasionally while doing nandroid it turned off my screen... I can't navigate.... I need to pull out my bat then redo process.. read same problem on some users too.. I will wait a little longer when its stable...
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I had similar problems you just need to upgrade to twrp 2.0 v0.1 it still has an issue where, in the instances it would normally turn the screen off it merely resets twrp to the home screen but other than that its fixed
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Apparently some of Team Win will still be working on adding features to CWM. Development for TWRP has ended and although I preferred TWRP, CWM should start getting better while TWRP slowly dies off.
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Can someone link to where it says twrp development is no more? I went to their site and didn't see anything about it
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i have used them both but i really like twrp 2.0 its touch interface is easy to use
So I've had the Rezound now for four days after coming from the Dinc2(rooted of course). And I will say the bloatware is driving me crazy. However having to unlock the bootloader thru HTC and still have have S-On bothers me some. So the question is is it worth going thru HTC (and do they keep records that you've unlocked your bootloader), or would it be best to wait for alpharev or someone like that. Thx in advance.
if bloat is the only thing bothering you why not temp root and freeze the bloat until we have true s-off
The chance of revolutionary creating s-off for us is growing slimmer by the day.
Also if you have the updated firmware you can't temp root. They took that away.
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EmerikL said:
The chance of revolutionary creating s-off for us is growing slimmer by the day.
Also if you have the updated firmware you can't temp root. They took that away.
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And I do.
Just HTC unlock and root. The odds of there being s-off anytime soon are very very slim. The odds of there ever being an s-off solution are about the same.
Yeah I would go ahead and unlock. I don't see any point in waiting, someone might have an s-off option in a few months but its just as likely or more likely that we will stay just like we are. I wouldn't have the phone if I was waiting for something that may never come before unlocking and upgrading to a better Rom. I don't see why a developer would put resources into figuring out how to do something that's already been done, while there are a lot of bragging rights to be had most of the really good developers working on this phone are working on things to move us forward.
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tekhna said:
Just HTC unlock and root. The odds of there being s-off anytime soon are very very slim. The odds of there ever being an s-off solution are about the same.
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Yeah I would go ahead and unlock. I don't see any point in waiting, someone might have an s-off option in a few months but its just as likely or more likely that we will stay just like we are. I wouldn't have the phone if I was waiting for something that may never come before unlocking and upgrading to a better Rom. I don't see why a developer would put resources into figuring out how to do something that's already been done, while there are a lot of bragging rights to be had most of the really good developers working on this phone are working on things to move us forward.
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Thanks alot guys very good points. I guess I was worried about the warranty, but the fact is I sent a fully rooted Dinc2 to back to Verizon and back no problems so I guess I'll take the plunge and root this thing tonight. Thx again
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Yes, it is TOTALLY worth doing now!
I used the HTC unlock method, adb'd the
Amon Ra recovery, used Amon Ra for rooting with
SU and Superuser, then used Titanium to take out
all the garbage. Removed about 15 items.
Now my stock phone starts up with a whole lot fewer
things running that I would never use, and battery life
is like my old Increidble 1.
The Rezound is FAST FAST FAST and does everything right.
The process to ge to your Titanium-revised setup is truly easy
and can be done with stuff found right here in the rezound
forums on XDA...
Just unlock... S-off probably isn't going to happen at this point.
It's worth it Bamf came out with a ROM that fixes a lot of the issues that ICS was having. Plus the tether works in infrastructure mode on ICS
This will likely be a long post, so I'll start off with short summary:
After years of being excited about the android OS, I've now grown very tired of it and can't find a good solution to solve the issues.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and provide feedback and insight.
Background
I've been a web developer for ~15 years, even worked on a very popular android tablet before it was released. I currently have the title of "SDE" but I also deal with a lot of UI/UX work. I'm pretty tech savvy, love control, love to hack (eg my main machines are hackintoshes). I bought an EVO 3D shortly after it came out as it was dual core and had the most RAM. A friend is an android enthusiast and it sure seemed like android, while lacking polish, offered the flexibility and community for me to be able to have the level of polish I want.
Problems
Over the past year+ I haven't had much spare time. While other phones on other carriers are easy to root and mod, the EVO 3D on Sprint has been a PITA. My recent attempt at a custom PRL was a great example of how this "open" phone was more difficult to work with than a "locked" iPhone. There's been no easy way to root this phone and turn s-off. Yeah, I know there's two methods but both of them require more time than I have right now at any given time. And the bigger issue for me is that they're much bigger kludges than I think an "open" OS should be.
I waited for the ICS OTA update and am disappointed. While it solved some issues, it created more. And I feel like I've got both arms tied behind my back since almost any fix requires root. I hate reading that some of the fixes are in jelly bean, yet there's no easy way for me to upgrade.
Specific issues
- Llama doesn't work in ICS. I <3 Llama
- Battery usage is often horrible - yesterday I checked my email a couple times and the battery lasted all of 6 hours. I tried killing all tasks, but those who say that's useless since froyo are right. This issue keeps happening... it's like the CPU gets stuck at 100% for some reason.
- Network sucks. I don't understand why I can get 10Mb down and 2Mb up with speedtest.net, but the responsiveness of any app that uses the internet is sluggish. Even with my own tests on my own web servers, it' still sluggish. And latency is fairly low... seems like there might be a lot of packet loss for some reason.
- Camera sucks. The camera on my wife's EVO 4G works better but still sucks. All I've found here are threads confirming how much it sucks.
- App specific issues:
-- I have my sync settings set not to link contacts with LinkedIn, but it still frequently asks me anyway.
-- Contacts are duplicating: I had them all on my phone, and all synced via my gmail account. Then the other day it decides they're all different and duplicates my contacts.
- It unlocks itself. Sometimes I pull my phone out of my pocket and the phone is unlocked, even though I had a PIN set. I can use it for a minute or two, then suddenly I get greeted with a lock screen (or sometimes just half a lock screen.)
- I don't like having to set a lock screen in order to change the wifi password. Seems really odd to me. It wasn't like that in gingerbread.
I also have a hard time finding information. Seems like half of what I find doesn't apply to the EVO 3D, though may work for many other phones (even other HTC phones) and the bulk of the rest no longer works because of some other issue (or is just outdated.)
Anyway, I could go on, but I think you get the idea. If I had time, I'd see what I could to do contribute to a ROM project, but that just doesn't seem like it's in the cards right now. Am I just not a good fit for android? Is the bigger issue this phone? Would I actually be able to solve the above issues if I did go ahead and root it fully... perhaps with the wire method?
Thanks
Well I understand where you're coming from. Honestly, its personal preference. From my experience, once I went s-off and fully rooted it, it was so much better. A lot of the custom roms here are fantastic and blow stock out of the water. You can do so much more with root, and easily fix all of the problems that you have. Every. Single. One. It's all about just trying it, and if you don't like it, you can easily just try something new, that's the glory of it
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Thanks for the reassurance. I went ahead and tried the wire trick here http://htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-3d-h...c-evo-3d-using-wire-trick-juopunutbear-s-off/
Unfortunately, when I run ControlBear it tells me "device has no root!!"
I used the HTC method to unlock it. I'll keep digging... but this is part of what frustrates me about android.
blame the phone manufacturers and the carriers, not android... none of your problems actually seem like android ones
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Thanks for the reassurance. I went ahead and tried the wire trick here http://htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-3d-h...c-evo-3d-using-wire-trick-juopunutbear-s-off/
Unfortunately, when I run ControlBear it tells me "device has no root!!"
I used the HTC method to unlock it. I'll keep digging... but this is part of what frustrates me about android.
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Take a look at mpgrimm2's guide thread. That has a lot of good information.
ramjet73
snokarver said:
Thanks for the reassurance. I went ahead and tried the wire trick here http://htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-3d-h...c-evo-3d-using-wire-trick-juopunutbear-s-off/
Unfortunately, when I run ControlBear it tells me "device has no root!!"
I used the HTC method to unlock it. I'll keep digging... but this is part of what frustrates me about android.
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After you htcdev unlock, you need to flash a stock rom with root, I would try my rom, common sense v1.5 (stock) its in the link in my siggy, I did it on that and it worked just fine. Or you can flash a stock rooted rom that Virus posted up, its somewhere in the dev forum, once that's flashed you're good to go
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Thanks. What's the easiest way to do a full backup of my existing ROM so I can easily restore if I want to? Seems like every method I've found requires root.
Under all the glitz, Android runs on a Linux kernel.
Linux is very secure in that only the "root" account can make changes to vital system processes.
So yes, gaining root access is vital to making changes to your android device.
IMO, it is too easy to gain root in Android. It should be harder so all these noobs won't be on here f'ing up their phones.
sudo passwd root
I use *nix all day long. Was just running commands to modify permissions, using sudo, for git. Even in OS X gaining root access is fairly easy. But what you're telling me is, the only way to backup my ROM is to wipe it first with a ROM that is rooted? (In other words, no way to backup my ROM.)
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Thanks. What's the easiest way to do a full backup of my existing ROM so I can easily restore if I want to? Seems like every method I've found requires root.
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If you find the Su binaries, you can flash it via recovery via fastboot, right over the stock rom that you're running RIGHT NOW. I would google it, I don't have one off hand that I can attach for you.
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I found the su binaries, but haven't had any luck getting them installed. Every walkthrough I've found doesn't work. Tried to put a recovery on it, but that also won't go. One method requires root. The instructions for another said three button method but that doesn't seem to work on this phone...
You have to unlock the bootloader before trying to install recovery.
There are a bunch of guides. www.google.com
sudo passwd root
*sigh*
I have done the official HTC unlock. I know there's a ton of guides out there, and I'm usually pretty good at using google, but I have yet to find one that works. 90% of them are incomplete, outdated, assume you're already fully rooted or have a custom ROM. The majority of the time I find people posting the same problems I'm running into, without any answers. I've tried no less than four different methods (found via google) today to install recovery, but none of them have worked.
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*sigh*
I have done the official HTC unlock. I know there's a ton of guides out there, and I'm usually pretty good at using google, but I have yet to find one that works. 90% of them are incomplete, outdated, assume you're already fully rooted or have a custom ROM. The majority of the time I find people posting the same problems I'm running into, without any answers. I've tried no less than four different methods (found via google) today to install recovery, but none of them have worked.
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Have you tried mpgrimm2's guide for flashing recovery and superuser? It's part of a larger thread that covers rooting, S-OFF, bootloaders and other stuff for the Evo 3D and I know he works hard at keeping it up-to-date.
I suggested that earlier in this thread, and if you can't find the answers you are looking for there I'd be surprised.
ramjet73
Thanks for the insistance on that thread. I tried CWM using that guide and it didn't work (wouldn't ever boot into CWM even though everything appeared to install ok). I tried 4ext using a 4ext guide and it didn't work. I tried 4ext using the same guide as you linked to which references CWM, and it did work.
BusyBox is saying it may not be rooted, but RootChecker says it is. At least now I think I'm far enough along to make a backup of the stock ROM. Thanks much
Launching BusyBox some more it seems to work fine. So far I've:
- Make a backup of the stock ROM
- Deleted the crapware
- Backed up my apps with TB
- Used SetCPU to lower the clockspeed when idle. Now I'm under 100ma when idle. Pre ICS I had a hard time getting under 300ma.
Thanks a bunch. Things are really looking up.