I was taking photos with my Galaxy Nexus and the Prime.
The Galaxy Nexus takes pictures almost instantaneously and the Prime takes like forever.
Is this something that could be improved with a software update or is it a hardware limitation?
Maybe its missing ZSL (zero shutter lag) drivers?
If that's the case, as soon as kernel source is out, they can be added.
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It has to push a lot more pixels as it's an 8MP sensor vs. a 5MP sensor. I believe this is most of the reason Samsung/Google decided on a 5MP sensor for the Nexus.
danieldeanhodge said:
It has to push a lot more pixels as it's an 8MP sensor vs. a 5MP sensor. I believe this is most of the reason Samsung/Google decided on a 5MP sensor for the Nexus.
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Wrong. ZSL works perfectly with Sensations 8mp camera.
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I am wondering how many people actually need a camera on the back of their tablet...
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I am wondering how many people actually need a camera on the back of their tablet...
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Same amount of people that need GPS on their tablet. But I LOVE the camera on my prime and the quality. There are many times where I wish I had my tablet on me though to use instead of my phone (Droid Bionic). But sadly its hard to carry a tablet around all the time so in reality I hardly ever use the tablets camera but I 100% of the time wish I could.
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I am wondering how many people actually need a camera on the back of their tablet...
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I use mine all the time. We have a newborn so what ever device is the closest takes the picture. We use the prime, droid razr, and a canon 230 something I forget.
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Grrrr
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I use mine all the time. We have a newborn so what ever device is the closest takes the picture. We use the prime, droid razr, and a canon 230 something I forget.
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How old is your newborn? I was trying to take a picture of a 6 month old this week and the friggin camera lag made me miss every moment I wanted to capture. There is at least a 1 second lag that is SO FRUSTRATING!!
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How old is your newborn? I was trying to take a picture of a 6 month old this week and the friggin camera lag made me miss every moment I wanted to capture. There is at least a 1 second lag that is SO FRUSTRATING!!
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2.08 base had zero shutter lag drivers IIRC. Might be worth installing that Rom.
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Hard to believe someone has to install a new rom to get the camera to work properly.
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2.08 base had zero shutter lag drivers IIRC. Might be worth installing that Rom.
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My bad, for some reason I thought I was in Sensation forum. Apologies for confusion.
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from what i recall reading, samsung and google made some very specific optimizations in both hardware and software to make the galaxy nexus have such a short shutter lag ("zero" is a marketing exaggeration, but it is definitely sub-second).
for all we know the GN camera may have a dedicated image processor on-board to facilitate this, and ICS could have special software support for it. we'd have to look at the source to know. either way, from what i've seen ICS alone has not been reducing shutter lag on other devices.
but the GN shutter lag came at a cost. GN camera quality is significantly worse than the GSII (along with plenty of other devices), and that's not just a megapixel thing. this has been noted in reviews and i've seen them side-by-side myself. so it looks like some design trade-offs are involved.
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from what i recall reading, samsung and google made some very specific optimizations in both hardware and software to make the galaxy nexus have such a short shutter lag ("zero" is a marketing exaggeration, but it is definitely sub-second).
for all we know the GN camera may have a dedicated image processor on-board to facilitate this, and ICS could have special software support for it. we'd have to look at the source to know. either way, from what i've seen ICS alone has not been reducing shutter lag on other devices.
but the GN shutter lag came at a cost. GN camera quality is significantly worse than the GSII (along with plenty of other devices), and that's not just a megapixel thing. this has been noted in reviews and i've seen them side-by-side myself. so it looks like some design trade-offs are involved.
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Wrong. ZSL can is software. As i said, Sensation had it on Gingerbread. I believe ZSL can be implemented once kernel source is out.
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Wrong. ZSL can is software. As i said, Sensation had it on Gingerbread. I believe ZSL can be implemented once kernel source is out.
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in an attempt to avoid the usual downward spiral that most threads on this forum seem to inevitably take, i'll try and be polite...
please explain and backup your point with some details rather than just slapping a "wrong" on the thread and moving on. i did not state that the galaxy nexus is the only device with "zero shutter lag". i simply said that, from what i have read, this was achieved on the GN with a combination of hardware and software optimizations. the reference i am specifically thinking about was an interview with a google product manager at the galaxy nexus launch event. so that's not "wrong", it's actually a very well-sourced piece of information.
none of this precludes the HTC sensation from having "zero shutter lag", which i will continue to put in quotes because no shutter is instantaneous. HTC may have taken similar steps with the sensation design to minimize shutter lag. i am also not precluding shutter lag from IMPROVING through software, particularly 3rd party camera implementations that can choose to make different trade-offs while processing raw camera data.
all i'm saying is that people should not expect ICS upgrades to instantly make a laggy camera fast. this was a galaxy nexus feature, not an ICS feature.
I am at work so I do not feel like going into a whole spiel here, but you asked for details.
I run an HTC Evo 3D, Ihave ZSL on it thanks to the kernel I use, so, there you go.
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in an attempt to avoid the usual downward spiral that most threads on this forum seem to inevitably take, i'll try and be polite...
please explain and backup your point with some details rather than just slapping a "wrong" on the thread and moving on. i did not state that the galaxy nexus is the only device with "zero shutter lag". i simply said that, from what i have read, this was achieved on the GN with a combination of hardware and software optimizations. the reference i am specifically thinking about was an interview with a google product manager at the galaxy nexus launch event. so that's not "wrong", it's actually a very well-sourced piece of information.
none of this precludes the HTC sensation from having "zero shutter lag", which i will continue to put in quotes because no shutter is instantaneous. HTC may have taken similar steps with the sensation design to minimize shutter lag. i am also not precluding shutter lag from IMPROVING through software, particularly 3rd party camera implementations that can choose to make different trade-offs while processing raw camera data.
all i'm saying is that people should not expect ICS upgrades to instantly make a laggy camera fast. this was a galaxy nexus feature, not an ICS feature.
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Wrong is wrong. It was definition of your statement. Your info is from what you've read, my info is from what I've had on my device and what kernel devs were doing.
So, I'll repeat myself again. ZSL are drivers, which can be implemented once kernel source is available. Wherever its easy or difficult to do is another matter.
Again. ZSL is the driver in kernel.
Regarding Sensation. I can't remember what build it was in, but it was Gingerbread. Current ICS builds (test leaks) don't have it.
I don't really understand tour hostility toward my reply, I was only stating facts.
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I was taking photos with my Galaxy Nexus and the Prime.
The Galaxy Nexus takes pictures almost instantaneously and the Prime takes like forever.
Is this something that could be improved with a software update or is it a hardware limitation?
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You could try Fast Busrt Camera - it's fast.
ah i see what you're saying now. sorry if that sounded hostile, i had misinterpreted your original comments.
so we have a few devices where 3rd party kernels have been able to bring ZSL where it was not previously present. that is very interesting, i was not aware of this. now i'm curious to know how the devs did this...
that may also be the explanation for the comments made at the GN launch regarding google and samsung working together on making the camera ZSL. google probably produced the kernel for the GN themselves considering that the GN was the development device for ICS. since it's a kernel driver the implementation is going to be device-specific and it seems that asus did not do the same work for the tf201 camera.
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The Evo 3D is a worthy upgrade to the 4G....speedwise predominantly. No doubt this thing moves faster than any modded 4G Rom I ever used on my 4G.
My issue with the 4G was the poor indoor camera pics.
The perplexing thing to me is that HTC...knowing that it had a deficient camera on the 4G , made no improvements in the 3D camera.....in a device named after it's camera!
After 3 days of playing with various settings I can say that unfortunately the indoor pics just equal the 4G. (I'm being...kind. Many say they're worse).
HTC is dead last (compared to the major smartphone manufacturers: Sony, Apple, Microsoft and Samsung) in camera quality.
I'd communicated with HTC about this last fall. They responded positively. But unfortunately nothing materialized.
I use this feature a lot and had hopes.
Ah well...its still fun using this otherwise...as I will for at least 30 days.
(Fanboys: I know: quit trolling; get a real camera; good riddance lol; whatever).
Its my take on the 3D...based on my expectations. Most don't care about camera functionality as I do...so be it.
Yeah I'm holding off on getting the E3D and I'll probably wait for a better device. It looks like they also didn't fix build quality issues (crooked screen, jiggly camera button, no protection for the back camera).
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Yeah I'm holding off on getting the E3D and I'll probably wait for a better device. It looks like they also didn't fix build quality issues (crooked screen, jiggly camera button, no protection for the back camera).
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Ehh it really isn't that bad. My screen is straight, my camera button is fine and idk about the back camera since I just haven't looked. I know all other phones from HTC have had a plastic thing over them. And if they improve the 3vo in the future ill just drop my phone and get a new one for $100
Also someone said something about an app that took better quality pics then the pre-installed one.
I don't know if I recommend getting another device unless camera quality is a premium priority...or speaker volume maybe.
3D is way cool...and the device flies...I mean faster than girlfriends TBolt, Sensation...whatever.
You need to try a application called vignette... Pics look so much better..... Always made my 4th pics much better.
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Yeah...I've tried them all. They do decent patch jobs.
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You need to try a application called vignette... Pics look so much better..... Always made my 4th pics much better.
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Hey guys, simple question really...
since it was proved that the sensation and evo hardware are mostly similar
so whats keeping us from shooting 1080p video ?
I THINK it has to do with having two cameras. I'm not 100% sure.
BUT that's not very important. Recording 1080p on your cellphone is just foolish. File sizes would be through the roof and the difference in quality is not THAT big from what I've seen. It's just more pixels.
I think it was just a tradeoff, 3D for 1080p. I believe the Gnex can do 1080p with its 5MP shooter, so I doubt the 5MP cameras we have are to blame.
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Even when it can do 720p, it's not even that good...
Sensation's camera looks much better than ours.
I dont think its the dual sensor thingy..
cuz all camera applications work with no problems so far..
Yeah lots of phones are able to do that with a 5mp cam.. thats what made me wonder in the first place
and I know its 1080p is too much
as for me I dont even use 720p
but I just want to know why we cant ...
It could be done EVO 3d camera takes better pics then Samsung epic can. All about the lighting and clean lens.
Just need a kernel and code for it..
i dont want to be the debbie downer(wommpppp woooooommpp) here but I have never understood shooting 1080p with such a small/crap sensor anyway. The quality would still suck. I believe this applies to all phones. Maybe when new sensor tech comes out but now, its just a marketing number.
camera driverers are kernel related. you would need to write a new driver, new app, pretty much rebuild the camera functions from scratch. it is possible, but an ass load of work and like somebody else mentioned, its a phone, and few phones, including this one, have the hardware quality (because it is much more than just size of sensors) to make it worth while. not like it will have gopro quality ever...
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It could be done EVO 3d camera takes better pics then Samsung epic can. All about the lighting and clean lens.
Just need a kernel and code for it..
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Having owned both, I have to strongly disagree with that statement.
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Having owned both, I have to strongly disagree with that statement.
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Oh just playing with the epic 4g in sprint I could see the camera absolutely raped my evo 3d
just hate the fact they lied about it at first ya know . Just saw 720p on a friends et4g WOW!!!
I would settle for that 720p any day lol
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Having owned both, I have to strongly disagree with that statement.
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I'm protesting flashing until CM9 drops for the Evo 3D!!!
again having owned both. epic touch camera did in fact rape my Evo 3D. owned them both side by side. shot the same scene with each phone and viewed the results on my laptop.
that bring said. that was about the only thing I liked over the e3d. the et4g still wreaked of Samsung and their lack of overall build quality. the earpiece was terrible, the screen was not as responsive, the screen was low resolution, just utterly **** overall.
only other thing I thought was decent was the battery life. I got a solid day out of it.
The video quality is limited by how fast the memory card can save data. To save 1080p on a low end memory card would require a huge amount of data to be compressed in real time, which would both be difficult to do resource wise and also significantly lower the video quality.
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The video quality is limited by how fast the memory card can save data. To save 1080p on a low end memory card would require a huge amount of data to be compressed in real time, which would both be difficult to do resource wise and also significantly lower the video quality.
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yes, and to ad to what Haus is saying, and he knows this already, so it's for the OP, the disk write speed is only one factor out of the several that go into making this possible.
There are image processing limits that are hardware related to the EVO 3D, and let's be serious just about anything that is a cell phone, that would make shooting in true HD simply a waste of space and dev time. that fact of it is that you cannot make the light sensors, image sensors, and glass, in the camera any better. Sure, like i said you could built new drivers, basically engineer/re-engineer the firmware to make 1080p happen, but just would do you any good. you are still limited by the device's hardware.
it would still look like **** compared to a go pro or REAL camera. lol
Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
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it would still look like **** compared to a go pro or REAL camera. lol
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WHAT!? My EVO 3D pwns the GO PRO _any day_ !!!!
For the confusion in this thread THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT! I am just letting everyone know that we dont need imagesense to have the one series camera features and for HTC saying we cant get sense 4 because of it.
Well some people on some other forms I checked actually think imagesense is a gimmick to buy HTC One phones and I AGREE! Here's why
IMAGESENSE
#1 Superfast Capture. WHICH REZOUND SENSE 4.0 ROMS HAVE.
#2 HTC Video Pic capture. WHICH REZOUND SENSE 4.0 ROMS WILL HAVE (as soon as devs fix it.)
#3 Always Focus. WHICH IF YOU TURN OFF AUTOFOCUS FOR ME AT LEAST STAYS IN FOCUS ALL THE TIME.
#4 Continuous Shooting. WELL IF YOU DOWNLOAD FAST BURST CAMERA OFF THE MARKET YOU DO AND YOU GET 30 SHOTS A SECOND WITH MAX UP TO 102 SHOTS. SO IF THE APP MAKES IT POSSIBLE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT TO WORK ON THE STOCK CAMERA.
#5 Low light. HTC EVEN MENTIONED OUR REZOUND HAS THE LOW LIGHT SENSOR FOR THOSE TYPE OF SHOTS.
#6 HDR. WHICH REZOUND SENSE 4.0 ROMS HAVE AND IT WORKS. Edit DOES NOT EVEN TAKE A SHOT ON LATEST RELEASE. WORKED ON EARLIER RELEASES OF SENSE 4 BUT STILL CAN BE FIXED.
#7 HTC Smart Flash. Ok our Rezound may not have that but ive never took a bad photo with flash so no need.
So do we really need imagesense to get these features? No.
My initial response no longer makes sense since the OP changed the subject of the topic.
Wait, what are we upset about? I'm confused.
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but... the Rezound doesn't have Imagesense...
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Thats the whole point of this thread Rezound does not need imagesense to have these features.
This might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621018
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This might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621018
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The Rezound and One X both have the exact same camera module so the only difference is what ever Imagesense has to add. I really want to see side by side comparison to see if there is a difference or not.
The main purpose of Imagesense (aside from marketing) appears to just be offloading the work from the main CPU. I did not find any improved functionality when reading through the feature list.
seems like someone has imagesense envy...
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seems like someone has imagesense envy...
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Or he has Sense 4 envy, and he's a little leery of claims that it only works with ImageSense.
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The Rezound and One X both have the exact same camera module so the only difference is what ever Imagesense has to add. I really want to see side by side comparison to see if there is a difference or not.
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Are you sure about this? I thought the apertures were different, with One X having f/2.0 and Rezound being f/2.2. Or are you counting the optics separately from the "camera module"?
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Pretty much HTC is making a big deal about imagesense for their new phones but in reality any recent HTC phone can get those features that imagesense provides if they have sense 4 rom.
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Are you sure about this? I thought the apertures were different, with One X having f/2.0 and Rezound being f/2.2. Or are you counting the optics separately from the "camera module"?
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Sorry I was referring to the CMOS. I honestly kind of forgot about the optics. What? You mean there is a visual/physical side to photography too???
The CMOS is Samsung S5K3H2YX. For reference: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/5
I would still like to see a head to head shoot out in a situation where f/2.0 wouldn't be a benefit.
These forums are getting confusing. I don't know if this is a complaint aimed at HTC, Sense, the Rezound or what.
The Rezound was the top dog for a few months. Now the HTC One X is, with the ImageSense or without it. In two months, the One X will be outdated technology because that's just how it works. Just be happy with what you have. (Or pony up the cash for a new device.)
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Basically, yeah it's only been what 6 months since the phone has been out it's the best on verizon and it won't be getting sense 4 because it doesn't support imagesense yet it can do all of the "features" of imagesense. So it's people calling out on bull**** marketing.
Yeah it's been 6 months and a lot of the people here paid top dollar for a product that is capable of running the next version of the companies stuff, it's logical that it should be upgraded but it won't be because of some bs marketing.
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Basically, yeah it's only been what 6 months since the phone has been out it's the best on verizon and it won't be getting sense 4 because it doesn't support imagesense yet it can do all of the "features" of imagesense. So it's people calling out on bull**** marketing.
Yeah it's been 6 months and a lot of the people here paid top dollar for a product that is capable of running the next version of the companies stuff, it's logical that it should be upgraded but it won't be because of some bs marketing.
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you do realize that part of imagesense is that the camera has its own dedicated processor, right? How will the rezound replicate that? Android has 40 processes running in the background that the camera has to fight with for cpu on our phones.
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you do realize that part of imagesense is that the camera has its own dedicated processor, right? How will the rezound replicate that? Android has 40 processes running in the background that the camera has to fight with for cpu on our phones.
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Didn't realize it had it's own processor just for camera but sill I managed to replicate everything imagesense can do on rezound.
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Didn't realize it had it's own processor just for camera but sill I managed to replicate everything imagesense can do on rezound.
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Lol, that's why I asked what we were upset about a page ago. Imagesense is about an extra processor dedicated to the camera. A processor the Rezound simply doesn't have.
forget imagesense, wish we could get the 16mp the titan II has =)
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you do realize that part of imagesense is that the camera has its own dedicated processor, right? How will the rezound replicate that? Android has 40 processes running in the background that the camera has to fight with for cpu on our phones.
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I retract my statement I was unaware of this.
So our phone doesn't have the hardware power for some more camera features correct?
I thought dual core phones was pretty strong/powerful ... guess not
Rezound is like the second or third phone on verizon with dual core and lte...
Yet it already is lacking hardware power?
Well that's good technology is moving fast i guess
RoryHe said:
I retract my statement I was unaware of this.
So our phone doesn't have the hardware power for some more camera features correct?
I thought dual core phones was pretty strong/powerful ... guess not
Rezound is like the second or third phone on verizon with dual core and lte...
Yet it already is lacking hardware power?
Well that's good technology is moving fast i guess
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its not that our phones couldn't run most of the camera features, its just that with the one series, the camera has its own dedicated cpu so they can push it harder.
So I am really loving this phone but unfortunately the camera has disappointed me more than once. After using the iP4s for awhile I realized that I don't like iOS or the iPhone much at all, what I do love is the camera. Now all I want is an Android device with an awesome camera and I thought the EVOLTE would be it. So, before I return the phone and await the SGS3 I want to see if software upgrades can improve the camera performance.
Thanks in advance!
please return it
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please return it
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Agreed.......with this.
Camera kicks ass.....later.
mlin said:
So I am really loving this phone but unfortunately the camera has disappointed me more than once. After using the iP4s for awhile I realized that I don't like iOS or the iPhone much at all, what I do love is the camera. Now all I want is an Android device with an awesome camera and I thought the EVOLTE would be it. So, before I return the phone and await the SGS3 I want to see if software upgrades can improve the camera performance.
Thanks in advance!
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Exactly what type of performance are you looking to get?
As for myself, I've gotten some incredible shots with this camera.
Wow, you guys are loads of help. Its a simple question. I know the camera uses good hardware but the performance still lacks. You guys think what you want but when I'm trying to capture pics of my newborn and my eco produces slightly fuzzy pics with poor color representation while the pics on my wife's iPhone look better then I'm inclined to want better performance. FWIW the EVO outperforms the iPhone in daylight but infamy other settings it comes in 2nd place.
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Exactly what type of performance are you looking to get?
As for myself, I've gotten some incredible shots with this camera.
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As good as the iP4s. I have a dslr but when out and about I want a camera that is close to as good as my dedicated point and shoot. Maybe my phone is defective, I'll take it in tomorrow to compare to a floor model.
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mlin said:
Wow, you guys are loads of help. Its a simple question. I know the camera uses good hardware but the performance still lacks. You guys think what you want but when I'm trying to capture pics of my newborn and my eco produces slightly fuzzy pics with poor color representation while the pics on my wife's iPhone look better then I'm inclined to want better performance. FWIW the EVO outperforms the iPhone in daylight but infamy other settings it comes in 2nd place.
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What settings are you using on the camera? Auto, hdr, portrait, close up, etc? ISO, white balance?
The only thing I've noticed is slight ghosting with hdr, but that's been a known issue for quite awhile now.
And they probably weren't very helpfully since tapatalk is showing you posting from a nexus s.
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As good as the iP4s. I have a dslr but when out and about I want a camera that is close to as good as my dedicated point and shoot. Maybe my phone is defective, I'll take it in tomorrow to compare to a floor model.
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I've got a canon powershot and my evolte takes very comparable pictures. I haven't tried in low light conditions, but otherwise I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Quite possibly could be a defect with the camera itself.
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What settings are you using on the camera? Auto, hdr, portrait, close up, etc? ISO, white balance?
The only thing I've noticed is slight ghosting with hdr, but that's been a known issue for quite awhile now.
And they probably weren't very helpfully since tapatalk is showing you posting from a nexus s.
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Yeah, I've tried adjusting pretty much everything. Low light helps some but even then my phones struggles to catch a quality pic when my daughter is moving around. If you haven't yet realized, my newborn is the reason why the camera has become so important.
I'm posting front Nexus because the EVO is deactivated because I was considering returning and doesn't want to take a chance of something happening to it. Also my iP4s has water damage.
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bernechad said:
What settings are you using on the camera? Auto, hdr, portrait, close up, etc? ISO, white balance?
The only thing I've noticed is slight ghosting with hdr, but that's been a known issue for quite awhile now.
And they probably weren't very helpfully since tapatalk is showing you posting from a nexus s.
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I've got a canon powershot and my evolte takes very comparable pictures. I haven't tried in low light conditions, but otherwise I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Quite possibly could be a defect with the camera itself.
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Thanks for your responses. I'll try taking it in tomorrow before making a decision. It sounds like mine may not be performing as intended.
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mlin said:
Yeah, I've tried adjusting pretty much everything. Low light helps some but even then my phones struggles to catch a quality pic when my daughter is moving around. If you haven't yet realized, my newborn is the reason why the camera has become so important.
I'm posting front Nexus because the EVO is deactivated because I was considering returning and doesn't want to take a chance of something happening to it. Also my iP4s has water damage.
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Check out the picture thread to see what this camera can do. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671858
I'd definitely have your phone checked out.
mlin said:
Wow, you guys are loads of help. Its a simple question. I know the camera uses good hardware but the performance still lacks. You guys think what you want but when I'm trying to capture pics of my newborn and my eco produces slightly fuzzy pics with poor color representation while the pics on my wife's iPhone look better then I'm inclined to want better performance. FWIW the EVO outperforms the iPhone in daylight but infamy other settings it comes in 2nd place.
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When you open up with the camera sucks and rave about a phone that most of us cant stand (especially after what apple pulled with our current phone) and then mention another phone that for the love kittens I have no idea why people like them (samsung phones, sorry I just can't get past the way they feel in the hand) and expect people to not look at your "new thread" and think....TROLL ALERT. Especially sense we already have a thread about the camera picture quality.
Just saying....
Well for what it's worth, my camera experience had been poor too. I think it is defective. I can't take a picture of a flower close up in close up mode... I think that's an issue.
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When you open up with the camera sucks and rave about a phone that most of us cant stand (especially after what apple pulled with our current phone) and then mention another phone that for the love kittens I have no idea why people like them (samsung phones, sorry I just can't get past the way they feel in the hand) and expect people to not look at your "new thread" and think....TROLL ALERT. Especially sense we already have a thread about the camera picture quality.
Just saying....
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you're a clown. I simply said the iPhone has a good camera. I don't care if you don't like the iPhone or Samsung. If you can't handle the facts then maybe the real world isn't for you. Continue to live in your bull **** bubble where only your opinion matters and facts are irrelevant. Dip ****.
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Well for what it's worth, my camera experience had been poor too. I think it is defective. I can't take a picture of a flower close up in close up mode... I think that's an issue.
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Have you taken it to have it looked at yet?
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The OP also presented an intriguing question. Since there is some aggressive post capture image processing, would we benefit from an alteration on the software level? You guys never needed to jump on his back. This is constructive criticism and inquiring, not fanboi-ing.
If our devs found a way to edit the imaging chip software, I would assume so, yes. They may be able to tone it down a little bit so things aren't over-sharpened, which I've noticed can be true in some cases. However, if you play around with the camera settings a little more, you may be able to find some optimum values. I dropped my ISO (a setting that affects grain) to 400 instead of auto and reduced saturation by 1 to help with pink skin tones. It looks noticeably better and it already looked really nice from the get go for me. I haven't played with the sharpness yet though.
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To answer the question in the op, yes, software upgrades can increase camera performance.
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I have an iPhones 4s that is about to sell on eBay. I had a galaxy nexus and returned for this phone. The camera, among other things, played a big role in that decision.
The iPhone 4s takes great pictures....that an everyday person can take no problem. But the stock interface decides for you, often giving good pictures, but limiting your ability to adjust the capture.
At first the my evo was not impressing me...because I was using it like the iPhone. Once you realize the focus works differently, you can get comparable pictures. Once you realize how powerful the numerous adjustments are on the evo's camera...you can get outstanding pictures that blow away the iPhone 4s. I've directly compared with the photographery of a fiancee.
The evo allows the user to manipulate the capture...and as thus also allows the user to ruin the capture. The iPhone doesn't, but is more limited. Honestly it is all back to ios vs android.
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Also...I know its a result of the fast capture feature, but I wish you could set it to focus when you push the capture button. This would be nice for when you want one perfect shot and not to take advantage of the fast capture feature.
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...Honestly it is all back to ios vs android.
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Which comes down to: do you want to do it yourself or be told how to do it?
I prefer to make my own choices, so I choose this phone and its exceptional camera.
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bernechad said:
Which comes down to: do you want to do it yourself or be told how to do it?
I prefer to make my own choices, so I choose this phone and its exceptional camera.
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Indeed.
I have been using android since the HTC Hero. I strayed for a while with the iphone 4s...but eventually could not stand it anymore. Honestly...it was this remarkable device that final sold me back. It blows the iphone 4s away in every area.
I am very open to change, and I will use what is best. In my opinion, ICS combined with the hardware on this device is tops. I'm not a fanboy by any means...I still love and perfer the new ipad and my macbook...but that could change with the next generation of devices.
There is one BIG thing I like about apple products. Due to the market hype...there sure do sell for a lot more on ebay than they should!
I was looking to upgrade my OG Evo to the new LTE, but after playing around with it at the Sprint store, I'm not so sure.
Maybe people can give me feedback:
1. I really liked the dedicated camera hardware button; but I was hoping this would be a quick way to take a photo from sleep mode. Seemed to me it didn't operate until you turn on phone, unlock screen, etc. So it actually takes longer than the iPhone. Is there any way to make it shoot straight from sleep?
2. I was excited by the 'take stills while shooting video' thing -- but all 3 phones do this.
3. Switching from front to rear camera is a major pain, takes 3 steps. Samsung & iPhone it's instant.
4. Does anyone know of a place to see real-world photos from this phone side by side with iPhone? I know the lens is f2 (vs 2.4), but I have a feeling the optics are better on the iPhone.
5. Does it have a panorama mode? I thought that was already built in to ICS. I couldn't find it. The iPhone panorama is excellent.
Wow, that's a lot of camera-related questions!
6. What's with the "..." at the bottom of the screen in many places? Is that because there's no menu button? It looks odd and out of place.
7. How difficult is to root the Evo; and how well does it run with AOSP Jelly Bean? Are all hardware features available?
Thanks for any input! I'm having a really hard time with this decision ... Evo LTE vs iPhone 5 vs Galaxy S3.
(The iPhone 'feels' like the best device BY FAR (in terms of build quality, design, screen & speed), but I HATE the narrow screen and the absence of a Swype, which I can't imagine living without.)
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ok, you had a lot of questions and most related to camera. so i will try to get you up to speed. before i start i'm in the same boat and need to choose between the iphone 5 (currently have) the galaxy S3 (just traded away from my S2), and the HTC evo 4g lte ( always been an htc fan boy ).
on #1, you're right the camera button does require the phone to be unlocked before use (for now).
#2, yes they all do some sort of pic in video mode. however the aperture on the HTC is the best of the three and the pics taken while doing vids will be better on the HTC...this should help cover #4 as well. as far as finding pics to match i could load a few but most aren't of the same theme.
#3, the switching between rear and front camera...lets be serious. how often do you need instant switching back and forth? but to explain, the camera of the htc is extremely powerful and so just as if you use a high end camera changin a few features may seem slow. trade off comrade, trade off...would you rather a slow focus and quick switch or quick focus and slow switch? also it really isn't that slow. as compared to the S3 it's on par, the iphone is faster but the front facing camera is a joke compared to those of the android counterparts. they all have a panoramic shot mode so dont fret on that, #5 dismissed.
While on the topic of cameras i will say the iphone 5 has an awesome camera compared to the iphone 4/4s but the focus and detail is failing when placed beside the S3 and evo LTE.
now to the fun stuff and why i got the iphone...
first #6, yes the "..." is the menu. no haptic button for the htc. no idea on the rooting yet, i like to test stock before i go tamperin...just seems fair to have a really good device before i make it the perfect one.^_^. . the iphone 5 is a spectacular device specially seeing any device i get right now (i'm a sprint user, *sigh* hopefully loyalty has it's advantages). IOS is a very stable OS and gives a ease of use unchallenged by many. if you've ever had an iphone more so the last three setting up your new iphone should be as easy as syncing to itunes or loading from cloud to have damned near everything loaded for you. . . .BUT it's old, and lame, and too stupid friendly. i make no jabs @ apple, i have both mac and PC and as i said got the iphone 5 and have had every other dating back to the original iphone (SN: anyone else notice how much the latest iphone looks more like the first more so than any other...victim of fashion i guess).
Samsung, oh samasung....i had the S2 and i have to admit, it became one of my favs. i didn't even want the damned thing, but my gurl made me do the "matching" thing. don't laugh, there are far worse options. -,-... back to focus, the S2 was large, beautiful, responsive and gave a so-so battery performance. the new version has all that and then some. it is loaded, wait let me clarify.....LOADED with goodies and features. all eye catching, all empowering, all really cool. and the way they have been presented on tv and web is about to make the next thing i say a shocker to some.... the HTC can do these things to. HTC started the trend of phone gestures on smart phones...back before android on this little known part of history called windows mobile 6. and they've kept it going all along. never really got the front face it deserved but it's had it and the evo is no different. no before i get blasted there are a few features unique to samsung and again why i emphasized on how many there are.
last but definately not least is HTC. they've been my fav for a loooo...insert coffee break here...oong time, since since my 8125 (see cingular). the htc is a thign of beauty in modest form. the power, the look, the camer, the kickstand....is just an awesome picture of what a phone should be. it works awesome as it's predecessor did, without the hellaciously horrendous battery life. it's that nerdy chic in class all grown up. but there inlies her problem...her focus has shifted. she's just as smart as before, smarter even. but she's gotten so shallow that like your "..." problem in #6 things that used to make her intelligence known are now hidden behind a pretty smile.
i've ranted long enough and hopefully helped fix some of your questions. i think i just solved mine. getting the htc tomorrow. glad i could help and thanks for yours.
Wow, thanks, that's a lot of useful info!
I beg to differ, however; I find I need to use the cam-switch feature quickly all the time. E.g., you take a picture of something cool, then you want to take a picture of yourself & your wife being at the something cool ...
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Wow, thanks, that's a lot of useful info!
I beg to differ, however; I find I need to use the cam-switch feature quickly all the time. E.g., you take a picture of something cool, then you want to take a picture of yourself & your wife being at the something cool ...
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I'm not a big fan of taking pictures with the front camera. I always considered it as something important for video chatting, not so much taking pictures I actually intend on keeping. It's only 1.3 megapixels as opposed to the 8 on the back.
As for the phone, I like it overall. There are some kinks, but you would be foolish to expect there not to be any a few months after the device launches.
I'm having the contact ringtone not working - haven't gotten an update to fix it that should've been out for a week already. Also have had problems with swype force closing, and have had one glorious occasion where I was stuck in a boot loop. And I'm not even rooted! Ended up factory resetting and losing all my apps.
I really WANT to like it. The battery is awesome, the camera is nice. No ****ing LTE yet, and I'm in Los Angeles - one of the biggest markets in the US. No Jellybean yet either.
I'll wait it out though. I had the old Evo 4G and it was a great year and a half.
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5. Does it have a panorama mode?
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Yes. It's excellent. Up to 5 panes IIRC. I took some pics at the zoo last weekend. They were too big to upload to image shack. Turned out great but you'll have to take my word for it.
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7. How difficult is to root the Evo; and how well does it run with AOSP Jelly Bean? Are all hardware features available??
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Very easy. I did it with the one click method (it's noob proof). Rooted in about 15 minutes. I'm running the Mean Rom 4.5.1. It's super fast and not buggy. It's the best rom out there IMO. Lots of camera mods.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671577
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1727167
Watch the video review in the second link. It shows all the bells & whistles. The new update has a 1.7 overclock kernel.
Read my post about my HTC Evo 4G on a thread I posted a few days ago here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32045074
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Here is a little review of this phone: I wrote this on another thread.
Found a Great vs Review! Keep in mind this was in May! Plus I don't care much for the GS3. This is strictly for The Two Devices Listed Down Below. 
This sumed it up for me! Good thing it shows the differences between camera. I see that the Nexus camera is more of a square format then a wide format. So that right there is a no go on my end. But yea, they are both Superior devices. Wish I can own both...But oh well....
Check out this link for the full review!
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/HTC-EVO-4G-LTE-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Nexus_id3039/page/2
Posted: 21 May 2012, 07:05 , by Brian K.
Processor and Memory:
Samsung uses a 1.2GHz dual core TI OMAP4460 processor, while EVO 4G LTE is powered by a dual core Qualcomm S4. Both run on 1GB of RAM. The Samsung opts for 32GB of internal storage, whereas HTC only offers 16GB built-in but has expandable memory for another possible 64GB. HTC also partnered with Dropbox to give users activating an EVO 4G LTE 25GB of free cloud storage. Both run the OS quickly and fluidly, and in everyday use it is likely that you wouldn’t notice much of a difference. There is something to be said for the heavy graphical load of Sense 4.0 and how well the EVO 4G LTE handles it.
When it comes to benchmarks, however, the EVO 4G LTE mops the floor with the Nexus. Besting our previous scores, the EVO 4G LTE was able to achieve just shy of 5500 on Quadrant Standard, with the Galaxy Nexus topping out just over 2000 at its best. Nenamark 2 gave similar results, with the EVO 4G LTE topping out at 58.8fps and the Galaxy Nexus less than half that 24.9fps. On AnTuTu the EVO 4G LTE maxed out a few points shy of 7000, with the Galaxy Nexus far behind at about 5100 (with the rest of its scores down in the mid 4000s.) It is pretty clear that Qualcomm’s latest and greatest is up the challenge of some heavy computing.
Camera:
A reworked camera app was one of the selling points of Android 4.0, and we have to say we’re impressed with the instant capture feature that the Galaxy Nexus offers. The interface is better, but still clunky and worlds behind the HTC interface found on the EVO 4G LTE. The technology behind the Nexus’ camera is also lagging behind; Samsung opted for a 5 megapixel f2.8 camera while HTC went with an 8 megapixel f2.0 with backside illumination. Both are capable of producing some great shots, and at times the Galaxy Nexus bested the EVO 4G LTE, but the majority of the time the HTC outperformed the Samsung.
Colors were more natural with the EVO 4G LTE, details were crisper and tricky lighting conditions were handled much better. The Galaxy Nexus struggled with color saturation, backlight situations and light/dark contrast (such as shooting shadows.) The EVO 4G LTE bested the Galaxy Nexus especially indoors, where the latter had a tendency to lose details quickly, as evidenced by the pantry shot.
Conclusion:
These are undoubtedly the two best Android devices Sprint has to offer, and really are two of the best smartphones available today. Some of this is going to come down to preferences, for example Sense versus stock or AMOLED versus S-LCD. All things considered the HTC EVO 4G LTE was the better performer of the pair in our opinion. It offers a superior display, top notch performance, excellent call quality and has an inspired design. The Galaxy Nexus is not without merit, and we would certainly carry one as our everyday phone if one were handed to us, but given the choice the HTC edges out the Nexus in too many categories to call it even.
When it comes to cameras, I know wassup! This Evo 4G LTE is a beast comparing it to any iPhone! Android in general had panorama way back even before the iPhone had it. And to tell you the truth its on top of its game. Don't expect to take excellent shots with either or. Cause what you see on the commercials is not what you get in real life. It takes dedication & a Non-Moving subject for it to come out perfect. Like "landscape"
But yea, Im a big camera person. And for I to choose this camera over any other phone camera means a lot in my line of Hobby!
The only thing is, if you are planning to upload to facebook. There is something with facebook that it does not let it load its full resolution. The only way for it to upload full resolution of a photo is if you pass it over to your computer and upload it that way. Or I think uploading it through the App "google chrome" should do the trick. Facebook app sucks on Android! I have to admit that on Apple, facebook app its the best!
I know because I owned a iPhone 4 and my girl owns a iPhone 4S!
But yea, if you are not a fan of a little screen. The iPhone is not going to make justice.
Watching YouTube videos, movies, tv shows, playing a game on the Evo 4G LTE screen has become one of my best experience then doing so on a iPhone screen.
Keep that in mind!
One last thing about the camera between the Evo 4G LTE & any iPhone!
This camera shoots widescreen shots and keeps a aperture of 2.2 or I think 2.0 which is Heavenly good. The bigger the aperture the better the lens! It gives great depth of field, it also as on-board effects that I often play with. My favorite is "over exposed" which is a Black & white effect.
Here are some examples!
I posted nights shots for to see how great it captures light and night scenes! It may not look superb due to uploading with xda but on the phone it looks great!
Camera is about the same quality on all three phones.
You can add camera to lockscreen.
I'd pick the S3 (currently what I use, despite being a HTC fanboy).
Don't chain yourself to Apple.
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evo 4g lte beats every phone in speed.. i have tested it using every benchmark and quadrant app thats out and the evo wins in all of them :good:
Thanks for all the feedback & input!
I guess my biggest issue is Sense; IMHO, it looks old, ugly, and annoying. I've hated Sense for 2 years, and it keeps getting worse.
That weird "stretch" overscroll effect is just awful.
Couple more questions ...
If I install stock (or CM) ICS or JB, what would I be losing out? Would I still have the dual still/video buttons in camera? Continuous shooting?
Is there a stable MIUI ROM for the Evo LTE? (MIUI is amazing on my OG)
Does anyone know if there's any Swype-like keyboard options for the iPhone?
How often do you get that stupid "menu" button taking up 10% of your screen? That really blows my mind!
Good article: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/30/hands-on-how-cyanogenmod-10-fixed-my-evo-4g-lte/
Does anyone know about this from the comments?
Rohan Mathur • a month ago
Just an FYI Liam, we are moving the entire HTC MSM8960 family from proprietary library files to an Open Source HAL for Camera. Guess what that means? Near perfect camera
My device (the One XL), the HTC One S, and your device, the Evo 4G LTE are all making the switch. The new camera libraries are working very, very well.
Should be merged either tonight or tomorrow. Big props to dzo from XDA for his flatout amazing work.
Track the commit here: http://review.cyanogenmod.com/...
And here is the commit for your device for building the opensourced Camera HAL: http://review.cyanogenmod.com/...
EDIT: Commit was merged last night, should be included in nightlies from now on.
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Sounds like someone from the CM dev team ... has anyone tried CM10?
It looks AWESOME .... does it now have all the camera functions?
(And it fixes the menu button issue.)
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Thanks for all the feedback & input!
I guess my biggest issue is Sense; IMHO, it looks old, ugly, and annoying. I've hated Sense for 2 years, and it keeps getting worse.
That weird "stretch" overscroll effect is just awful.
Couple more questions ...
If I install stock (or CM) ICS or JB, what would I be losing out? Would I still have the dual still/video buttons in camera? Continuous shooting?
Is there a stable MIUI ROM for the Evo LTE? (MIUI is amazing on my OG)
Does anyone know if there's any Swype-like keyboard options for the iPhone?
How often do you get that stupid "menu" button taking up 10% of your screen? That really blows my mind!
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HTC already released an update to remove the menu bar and make the mulitasking button a menu button.
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HTC already released an update to remove the menu bar and make the mulitasking button a menu button.
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True but, on some devices that option is not working. I know cause I'm one of them. Do you know how I.may solve this problem? Im able to set it up but when I press or hold the multi button it does not go to menu.
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True but, on some devices that option is not working. I know cause I'm one of them. Do you know how I.may solve this problem? Im able to set it up but when I press or hold the multi button it does not go to menu.
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I doubt that. Should be working flawlessly if you are running sense 4.1 or an aosp ROM. Reboot your phone
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I doubt that. Should be working flawlessly if you are running sense 4.1 or an aosp ROM. Reboot your phone
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Don't doubt it cause its happening to me. I'm stock to the bone! And yes I am on 4.1 sense.
The only thing I could think being that you are stock is to try a factory reset.
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I'll try that.. but I'm not really in the need for a menu buttons. I guess I'll wait until.. One, I root my Evo or Two: HTC, comes out with JB.
Not really related but I took this awesome shot of the sunrise the other day.