So, was browsing the Internet, when I found this..
Canonical has started releasing its own, ARM optimised Ubuntu versions for Android devices...
It runs alongside Android and has access to almost all its apps like Phone, Contacts, User apps etc..
It seems to be basically meant for Dual-Cores and when combined with a docking station, you have a full-fledged Ubuntu running on a Dual-Core chipset which you can view in full screen size on your TV Screen n stuff..
Read more here:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/2/21/2812424/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on
PS: Don't you, in your wildest dream, think of running it on our lil screens with a Single core, 600mhz processor...
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Wow, exciting! Too bad there's nothing concrete for users to try right now (unless I missed something).
It's sad how they say "In every dual-core phone, there’s a PC trying to get out."
But hey, who needs ubuntu when you have ice cream sandwich (not that I ever bought my phone with the thought of using it as a desktop)
Not At All MEANT for us....
If you read the full articles, it makes quite a lot of sense for a person who moves around a lot. Also the processing power in high-end phones should be enough for the OS to offer a decent experience.
One more reason to hold on to our beloved P500 for one more year and save the upgrade money for a multi-core phone . At least this way, when you upgrade you will be able to really feel the difference.
Thank you!
Greets!
Why not work on p500? Win7 runs on on 1GHz single core... 600MHz for an optimized version of ubuntu should work...
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I think... just because it needs one core to run Ubuntu, and another for android, so that dual-core phones are required
---a fairly silly guess really lol---
kennethso168 said:
I think... just because it needs one core to run Ubuntu, and another for android, so that dual-core phones are required
---a fairly silly guess really lol---
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There is no mobile device that can run 2 OSs in the same boot... you need a lot of ram and tons of cpu... my 2.8GHz can't handle the android emulator...
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But whats the use, even if we *Highly* optimise it, we dont have a docking station nor an HDMI out...
What will you do with a desktop OS on such a small screen??
My suggestion: wait a few years, earn nuff money and buy the best mobile around that can run Android+Chrome OS+Ubuntu+MeeGo+(Windows )+ what not...
Untill then, stick to this sh!t, we got enough development goin here already...
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Hardware requirements:
Dual-core 1GHz CPUVideo acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; Open GL, ES/EGLStorage: 2GB for OS disk imageHDMI: video out with secondary frame buffer deviceUSB host mode512 MB RAM
Nevermind...
arczangel said:
Hardware requirements:
Dual-core 1GHz CPUVideo acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; Open GL, ES/EGLStorage: 2GB for OS disk imageHDMI: video out with secondary frame buffer deviceUSB host mode512 MB RAM
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Aha... yep... n dats why i said not to dream about running it on our phones...
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RockR172 said:
But whats the use, even if we *Highly* optimise it, we dont have a docking station nor an HDMI out...
What will you do with a desktop OS on such a small screen??
My suggestion: wait a few years, earn nuff money and buy the best mobile around that can run Android+Chrome OS+Ubuntu+MeeGo+(Windows )+ what not...
Untill then, stick to this sh!t, we got enough development goin here already...
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Nahh, please leave the Meego, and Windows
But I think my galaxy Nexus will do it. Even better: a galaxy Note
mDroidd said:
Nahh, please leave the Meego, and Windows
But I think my galaxy Nexus will do it. Even better: a galaxy Note
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Haha... yep... but there can be some fanboys... you gotta consider em all...
Note will do it best, you wont even need a docking station or whatever stuff required to connect it to a larger display...
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Its going to be superb, checkout the video demo of Ubuntu on Android , now I need my Tegra3 quad-core
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I have read that ubuntu reguires atleast a 4.0 inch screen which makes it difficult on optimus one !
THIS IS OFF TOPIC, IGNORE IF U WISH.. JUST WRITING MY MIND..
sweetnsour said:
It's sad how they say "In every dual-core phone, there’s a PC trying to get out."
But hey, who needs ubuntu when you have ice cream sandwich (not that I ever bought my phone with the thought of using it as a desktop)
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ahahha...
I honestly bought my phone to play ANGRY BIRDS..!!
thats all..
and today in my college, looking at my phone and all the4 modifications i have made in the months, friends say that i should sell my phone to LG at around 1lac ($2000) and become the brand ambassador for LG O1..
So here i'd like to thank ppl i know who helped me get this praise..
Thanks to
> mik (my 1st custom ROM, Official CM support)
> popdog (sweetest ROM ever)
> luporiph & Arjen (ICS, woah!!)
> Franco & fserve (all be damned if not for them)
> sweetnsour, vlt96 n many others for time to time helps
> capslock for this Reverse Tether
> noobs (make me feel "Like A Boss" )
taranfx said:
Its going to be superb, checkout the video demo of Ubuntu on Android , now I need my Tegra3 quad-core
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Seeing that video makes it obvious that this solution, at this point, is never going to replace a good desktop/laptop. The lag is there and is obvious, but at leat it promises to give you a chance to leave the big hardware at home if you choose to do so.
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Seeing that video makes it obvious that this solution, at this point, is never going to replace a good desktop/laptop. The lag is there and is obvious, but at leat it promises to give you a chance to leave the big hardware at home if you choose to do so.
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Its still in alpha.. and few months later we are gonna see quad cores... so give it sometime.. remember the 1st few alphas of cm9 by lupohirp?? Remember the lags/flickers etc??
Where are they now?? Gone ryt??
Similarly, give ubuntu some time, it will run better...
N dont forget, that video uses a phone running 1ghz dual core thats not OC'd...
So give it sometime, it will be up and running just the way it does on PC...
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The future is already here
There are already lightweight linux distros for embedded systems.
ArchLinuxARM for example runs on devices not much more powerful than our P500s
Pogoplug - 800Mhz ARMv5te 128 MB RAM & NAND
h t t p://archlinuxarm .org/platforms/armv5/pogoplug-series-4
You wouldn't run X on them. That's just eye candy.
But add a external USB hard drive, they become perfect
low power servers for media streaming, automated BT,
automated data backups, small webservers.
h t t p://archlinuxarm .org/support/guides/applications
Anyhoots, once a smartphone is EOL, it might be a good
project to repurpose them for the above tasks.
Oh yah, take a look at the $25 - $35 Raspberry Pi at wikipedia
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Ok so i just installed linpack on a friends iphone 3gs running os4 and i ran a few test and it maxed out at 30.x mflops and i was amazed that an iphone could get to such high speeds.
i mean i hate iphones but this just kinda shows that they are good at somethings....
plz don't flame me for writing this.
the iphone wasn't overclocked or jailbroken (rooted) either.
why does the iphone get so many more mflops than the droid eris or even the nexus one?
31 veiws = no response?
I've said a million times benchmarks mean nothing =p especially mflops. But the iphone has a much more powerful processor than our phone and it's optimized for single app processing so it can concentrate more on each app.
Try the quadrant test, it's at least somewhat more reliable.
it is because the iphone is a magically device crafted by Steve Jobs, who is really the second coming of the lord and savior Jesus Christ. Steve used his divine demi god powers to make a device to save our souls from damnation.
/this is what iphone followers really believe.
or that could be it
Hungry Man said:
But the iphone has a much more powerful processor than our phone and it's optimized for single app processing so it can concentrate more on each app.
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Using that logic -- given that the iPhone in the past didn't support multi-tasking -- it could get away with a much less powerful processor.
The real reason is, in order for that benchmark app to be allowed in the "store", is that the numbers have to multiplied by a factor of 4.
hallstevenson said:
Using that logic -- given that the iPhone in the past didn't support multi-tasking -- it could get away with a much less powerful processor.
The real reason is, in order for that benchmark app to be allowed in the "store", is that the numbers have to multiplied by a factor of 4.
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sounds like something mr. jobs would actually do.
The iPhone still doesn't use true multitasking and is therefor still optimized for single process-processing. It uses save states to RAM, which is ****ty in comparison to android multitasking but it allows for the cpu to go 100% when working on a benchmark application.
ramseyja said:
it is because the iphone is a magically device crafted by Steve Jobs, who is really the second coming of the lord and savior Jesus Christ. Steve used his divine demi god powers to make a device to save our souls from damnation.
/this is what iphone followers really believe.
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well they need to pray to this god to help them remove the battery ahha
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The iPhone still doesn't use true multitasking and is therefor still optimized for single process-processing.
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Enough with the idiotic misinformation. The iPhone OS has ALWAYS been a multitasking OS. Even running iOS 3 - you are running multiple things at once. iOS 4 added support for running third party apps side by side. iOS is based on Mac OS X - which has preemptive multitasking, threading etc...
It uses save states to RAM, which is ****ty in comparison to android multitasking but it allows for the cpu to go 100% when working on a benchmark application.
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Your cluelessness is astounding. If you don't know what you are talking about - don't chime in. If you truley understood how modern OSs work ie linux, mac os x - you'd be ashamed you posted the drivel you did.
The higher scores may have something to do with the fact that iOS apps are compiled obj-c. No runtime / No need for a JIT etc...
Excuse me but what is objective c i am new to computers
edit: It doesn't let you put everything in all caps? That sorta ruins the effect.
Anyway I know plenty about computers lol but I know much much more about hardware than software.
edit edit: Oh wow I totally forgot to respond lol the iphone os4 still only uses save states to ram for multitasking. Or at least ios3 did, I know so little about ios4 but I know that the release for 3 is a version of the release for 4, so my point is STILL valid. phew. And just to answer the question further the iphone isn't a piece of crap, it's got a pretty nice processor.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/199528/multitasking_with_ios_4_is_horrible_apple_blew_it.html
Just to further prove exactly what I said lol
Your point about it being compiled c is probably the largest factor though.
who really cares about the iphoney anywayzz ? u cant remove the battery the icons are friggen ugly , u cant make a call without a cover , and this front facing camera ,, what good is it if the people u talk to dont have the same phone ? just wondering lol bottom line, the iphone is for little kids tryin to be cool android is for the reall world
sorry just my opinion
Hungry Man said:
Excuse me but what is objective c i am new to computers
edit: It doesn't let you put everything in all caps? That sorta ruins the effect.
Anyway I know plenty about computers lol but I know much much more about hardware than software.
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Apologies for being so harsh. It's just a habit I've gotten from being on andriod forums.com. So much misinformation over there. Objective-C is a object oriented variant of C. Do a google for Objective-C for more info. Tried posing a link, but I got a warning. It's a very nice language and as I mentioned before is compiled. I also forgot to mention that Apple also uses the GPU to accelerate math functions - so that may also be another reason why the iPhone owns on linpacks.
edit edit: Oh wow I totally forgot to respond lol the iphone os4 still only uses save states to ram for multitasking. Or at least ios3 did, I know so little about ios4 but I know that the release for 3 is a version of the release for 4, so my point is STILL valid. phew. And just to answer the question further the iphone isn't a piece of crap, it's got a pretty nice processor.
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this state saving is an optimization. If the app is not doing anything, there is no reason to have it take cycles or memory. It does not mean that the iPhone doesn't have true multitasking.
I was being sarcastic about not knowing about objective c >_> it just loses its effect over the internet lol
I know a bit about programming, in fact I know C++ more than any other language (not saying a whole lot.)
Like I said, I know much more about hardware as that is what I've studied.
Moved to General.
Hungry Man said:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/199528/multitasking_with_ios_4_is_horrible_apple_blew_it.html
Just to further prove exactly what I said lol
Your point about it being compiled c is probably the largest factor though.
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I disagree that the article proves your point. The article basically bashes Apple for not automatically making all apps "multitasking compatible," which is complete crap. As a developer, I wouldn't want Apple to decide how my app works when it's "minimized" to the dock.
Now, the article does mention the save states:
iOS4 freezes the ones that aren't in use
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All that means is that when an app is idle it gets written out to disk (in this case flash memory) instead of taking up RAM. All modern operating systems that support multitasking do this, whether the OS is running on a mobile device (android, WM, iOS) or on a PC (linux, OS X, Windows, Solaris, etc.).
djclark: You state that Apple is using the GPU to accelerate math functions, but are you sure that happens on the iPhones? I looked up the GPU in the latest iPhone, which is technically integrated in the A4 processor, and according to wikipedia the GPU is the PowerVR SGX 535 GPU.
When I looked up that GPU, I don't see the capability to offload math functions onto the GPU.
Given that the latest iPhone has the same GPU as the 3gs, I don't believe they are using the GPU to do math functions on the iPhone.
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Now, the article does mention the save states:
All that means is that when an app is idle it gets written out to disk (in this case flash memory) instead of taking up RAM. All modern operating systems that support multitasking do this, whether the OS is running on a mobile device (android, WM, iOS) or on a PC (linux, OS X, Windows, Solaris, etc.).
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This may be a stupid question but I am going to ask it anyways.
If the iPhone saves the app's state onto a disk and the OS runs so smoothly how come other OS's don't just save app data onto a disk also? Or does the OS just run so smoothly because it is on C++?
I mean I have used the iPhone os4 and multitasking works decently.
I like it better on Android but it actually kinda works on os4
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It's like using only virtual RAM instead of your actual RAM ie: You wouldn't want to run programs off of your hard drive since it's much slower than your RAM.
iOS is smooth because of the fact that it's written in C. It does not multitask as well as an Android phone that keeps the program in RAM.
Ok, just wanted to put this up here.
I come from the legendary HTC HD2 so I know nothing is impossible from win6.5 to android is huge
Do you guys think a port of win8 will be possible? i mean they said 1gb of RAM is enough to run win8... and 1.5GHz should not be a problem if Atom is 1.6GHz, since we can overclock it and stuff..
so, is it possible, or whats talking against it?
Technically, its "possible". But nobody is going to take the time to port Windows8 to the Flyer. Windows is closed source, making porting it over extremely difficult. Plus, there would be no drivers to make the hardware work with the OS. I'm no developer, but the enormous amount of work to overcome these obstacles make them infeasible, compared to simply buying a Windows 8 device (when they become available).
On the other hand, there are developers who will try just for the fun of it. Will it be usuable to the general public? I doubt it....
Somebody tell Microsoft!
Hey this thing is already running a version of Linux, you see any ports to a full blown linux tablet?
Nice idea thou, the new Windows 8 looks to be finger friendly
yeah i know it will be a pain in the arse, but hey - some people like to do this just for the fun and recognition - you know, be the one who finally managed to hack win8 and port it to a android device.
its been done before, and i think many will be donating to help.
its a fun thing.. imagine dual boot
You could install Ubuntu on the Flyer, but for what , I don't know.
Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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There are a few reasons why it will never work, most of them people already mentioned
1. You can't compare a 1.6Ghz Intel x86 processor to a 1.6Ghz ARM one, the Flyer is well below the minimum specs.
2. Microsoft will not publicly release their ARM builds, they will only sell them directly to OEMs unlike the desktop version of Windows 8.
3. It's closed source.
4. If someone does miraculously manage to get it running (hey this is xda), functionality will be extremely limited as there is no legacy app support for ARM.
You could install Ubuntu like DigitalMD said and put Win8 on a VM in there.... doubt it would boot though and you would have to find chuck norris and make him round-house kick the lag.
From ALL of the Tablets on the Market, I have checked out ALL of them. The one that I'm the happiest with is the Sprint HTC EVO View Tablet. It's the LOUDEST of ANY & ALL Tablets on the market. Anywhere from a little bit to a lot louder. I know that it's just a 7" screen, but it has the best sound. I would like to get Windows 8 on the HTC EVO View Tablet. i hope that ANYONE can come up with a solution to this. If anyone can come up with a solution to this, then I would put it on the HTC EVO View Tablet ASAP!
It's not possible. Doesn't meet min specs.
We installed it at work on an HP Slate that was running Win7, and it constantly freaked out about the resolution not being high enough. If a device that was meant to run Windows OS is unable to run Win8, it's not going to happen on an Android device. At least not officially.
And considering we can't get an ICS build running, it's a pretty good bet we'll never get Win8 to run.
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It's not possible. Doesn't meet min specs.
We installed it at work on an HP Slate that was running Win7, and it constantly freaked out about the resolution not being high enough. If a device that was meant to run Windows OS is unable to run Win8, it's not going to happen on an Android device. At least not officially.
And considering we can't get an ICS build running, it's a pretty good bet we'll never get Win8 to run.
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I have a slate 500. Did you set it to the higher resolution? Win 8 should work, although the screen is a bit off at the higher resolution.
A bit off topic, I know...
Well that was just one aspect of it.
We weren't able to set the resolution any higher then the max 1024x600. It just wouldn't allow anything higher. It *runs* but anytime you click/swipe etc it vomits error messages.
Still, so many challenges keeping it from happening on the view/flyer. It's a pipe dream.
Yeah this ain't gonna happen. Already got a very good , usable OS.
I"d spend my time improving that and creating better apps
Is it possible looking at hardware? Yes, I think so. The architecture should be fine, as there is an ARM version.
However, what do we need?
-Drivers for Windows 8, and if we want to make this work out correctly, we do need the ability to write drivers ourselves, which is a lot of work.
-A custom bootloader. I hope that, after we get ICS to boot on the Flyer correctly, we can work on a bootloader, as it would be really nice for a real tweakers-tablet, so there might be a possibility for this (not giving an ETA, as I don't know how much work it is and it will take a lot of time, don't get excited on this at all...)
And besides, when we can work on a native Linux-distribution, I don't think it's worth it to work on W8, especially because every way we get it running is not legal. Oh, and let's not forget the work it takes to get it to boot, as it would take quite some magic to get a Windows kernel booting.
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Technically, its "possible". But nobody is going to take the time to port Windows8 to the Flyer. Windows is closed source, making porting it over extremely difficult. Plus, there would be no drivers to make the hardware work with the OS. I'm no developer, but the enormous amount of work to overcome these obstacles make them infeasible, compared to simply buying a Windows 8 device (when they become available).
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and what do you think about windows phone 7 on the HD2? i believe it was extremely hard, but people made it
Big_O said:
Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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f**k you... don't write total bull****s here... it's not a noob forum. i didn't see any other complaints except people's noobiness.. they'll get used to the new controls. they're just awesome.
Naysayers always say nay. I'm amazed at the accomplishments @ XDA thus far and have learned never say never. I for one would love to see this happen.
Some people do things because their told it can't be done.
im using the rtm windows 8 right now i gotta say its pretty good ...early builds had issues but they did good quicker smother would be awesome if they could get windows 8 on my VIEW cuz its def built for mobile ...splashtop for now
Big_O said:
Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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Technically possilbe, but it's extreemely unlikely to happen. Especially since windows is in no way open source, and the flyer doesn't have that many modders.
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/06/11/...really-detrimental-to-the-android-experience/
merp link isnt working for me so a second link
http://www.pcworld.com/article/257307/dual_core_processors_wasted_on_android_intel_claims.html
according to intels general manager dual cores are not doing us any good. That obviously means quadcores are going to do even less for us.
Just Intel propaganda as they are trying to get into the mobile processor market.
Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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The thing we have to realize here is that Android was designed to cater to different hardware configurations vs let's say Apple's direction for mobile, they have control of the hardware so they can customize drivers with their software.It also depends how the application uses the hardware too. Dual-core "I believe" is about right, because these apps are not really going to utilize it.
Intel needs to "put their money where their mouth is." All they need to do is make a single core soc that competes with the s4 and tegra 3 AND within a reasonable budget for me to believe and trust them. Till then its just smack talk.
guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Not the right person to believe. It's like believing Steve jobs when he said people don't want phones larger than 3.5" screen.
Once their stuff is released and a third party with no ties, including advertising, can test it then i will believe.
ckoadiyn said:
Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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I'd bet that most lower-end dual-core Androids really aren't optimized for it. There are some pretty cheap handsets out there, and the experience with them sucks.
On the other hand, though, the manufacturers who make quality phones (HTC) know what they're doing.
It sounds just like the argument iPhans used to make two years ago - they'd talk about how Android was not a good OS because the phones they tried were laggy, slow, and stuttered... ignoring entirely the fact that they were playing with the cheap Android phones. Put a resource-intensive OS in cheap hardware and the experience will suck.
And to an earlier point, Intel is trying to get into the mobile space... and their mobile processors are single core. It's in their best interest to make people leery of their dual-core competition.
I agree with the article 100%, mostly. For now, all enabling dual cores does is inflate useless benchmarks and kill the battery.
The bad part of the article is trying to compare today's processor arch with old stuff.
My personal opinion... Taylor Martin is a moron. Most of his articles on Phonedog are useless!
Medfield is a single core. Maybe they are just trying to defend their product.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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Even in the pc world? That's what I was referring to I understand mobile wise they don't have much or any... Hence the they don't need a scheme
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This article is about 99.99% right. There is some obvious bias in it, but it holds a lot of truth.
The fact is that Android wasn't built to be "silky smooth". Take a look at WP7 for example, those phones run as smooth as any phone can run and they are all single core processors, yesteryear android specs. The architecture of the OS is 100x more important than processing power and it's sad to say that Google absolutely did not focus on this when they started creating Android. Keep in mine that they started before Apple or Windows in building Android, so they probably just didn't have the foresight.
With that being said, I am as big of an Android fan as any of you and I don't plan on changing any time soon but the fact remains that our operating system will most likely never be as smooth as WP or ios. We win by a milestone though when it comes to functionality.
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This thread is not a duplicate! It's intended for CyanogenMod 10.1!
The first release is coming later today or a couple of hours after the midnight!
Very niece work buddies... :thumbup::thumbup: keep it up.
Are bugs relating to call-mic (CM and third party apps)still there ?
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arpit85 said:
Are bugs relating to call-mic (CM and third party apps)still there ?
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Nope.
We must have modified vold.fstab file for change memory? Or we can use this from CM10?
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Great job, I don't use the camcorder so I think I will try the beta.
May I ask how difficult was porting 10.1 (4.2) from 10 (4.1) ?
Or basically they are identical and just a few (less complicated) changes needed ?
Szaby59 said:
May I ask how difficult was porting 10.1 (4.2) from 10 (4.1) ?
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Trivial.
bagnz0r said:
And just why the heck would you need CM10 when you have CM10.1?
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Bluetooth stack is different in 4.2. A lot of bluetooth-reliant apps that worked in 4.1 didn't work with the new stack in 4.2. While a lot of these have been fixed I have a few that haven't. So far anything that takes input from a wii controller doesn't work any more and I just haven't looked for news.
Oh, 4.3 has been leaked so hop to it!
galorin said:
Bluetooth stack is different in 4.2. A lot of bluetooth-reliant apps that worked in 4.1 didn't work with the new stack in 4.2. While a lot of these have been fixed I have a few that haven't. So far anything that takes input from a wii controller doesn't work any more and I just haven't looked for news.
Oh, 4.3 has been leaked so hop to it!
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I have a personal opinion with which many people here might disagree... Here it goes:
PHONES ARE NOT AND WERE NOT EVER MEANT FOR GAMING! GO GET A CONSOLE!
ARM CPUs are just TOO SLOW for gaming. They have an entirely different purpose!
It makes me plain sick when I see how slow JS performance on ARM is, and then "gamers" playing on mobile devices as if they were consoles.
That's my opinion.
EDIT: @arpit85: Sakura always contains Gapps.
bagnz0r said:
I have a personal opinion with which many people here might disagree... Here it goes:
PHONES ARE NOT AND WERE NOT EVER MEANT FOR GAMING! GO GET A CONSOLE!
ARM CPUs are just TOO SLOW for gaming. They have an entirely different purpose!
It makes me plain sick when I see how slow JS performance on ARM is, and then "gamers" playing on mobile devices as if they were consoles.
That's my opinion.
EDIT: @arpit85: Sakura always contains Gapps.
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wtf are you talking about....sheesh. problem lies not in cpu/gpu but BATTERY and lack of hardbuttons.
bez jaj.
pupakota said:
wtf are you talking about....sheesh.
bez jaj.
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Talking about the fact that I don't really care if some games do not work on Sakura.
I'm a die-hard gamer and I hate it when I see people playing games on mobile phones with almost burning passion.
E: Trust me, problem lies in CPU/GPU. This is the core of the problem.
ARM architecture was not designed for high-performance computing. Hell, devices with Cortex-A10 are choking on my 640x360 simple 2D lighting demo... And you're saying that the problem doesn't lie in CPU/GPU.
E2: To top it off you have massive linux kernel and DalvikVM under the hood. Now where is the RAW performance all gaming consoles provide? Where is the lack of overhead that all the consoles provide? The kernel itself and android processes are chewing up so many CPU cycles it literally hurts my butt.
Did you ever wonder why is the PSP kernel so tiny and provides so little functionality? It's for it to be portable, and leave plenty of room for games.
I would like to agree with you bagnz0r, but I simply cannot.
I have connected to my 40 inches TV, a cheap (40$) tiny RK3066 based stick which is emulating every console from ATARI 2600 to PSP with full power on FullHD. There are two bluetooth gamepads connected to this system and every time we want to play something ... we play hard.
On ARM CPU which is less powerful than any actual console.
Gaming not neccesary mean XBOX360 or PS3 (which I adore), but also killing some alien bastarts at "Space Inviders" (Atari 2600) or skating on THPS2 (PS1). I may be too old to understand this whole rush to processing power, but there are too many wonderfull games to be played.
I must agree although that A10 sucks (my refrigerator has more processing power than Allwiner A10).
arroyo said:
I would like to agree with you bagnz0r, but I simply cannot.
I have connected to my 40 inches TV, a cheap (40$) tiny RK3066 based stick which is emulating all consoles from ATARI 65XE to PSP with full power on FullHD. There are two bluetooth gamepads connected to this system and every time we want to play something ... we play hard. On ARM which is less powerful than any actual console.
Gaming not neccesary mean XBOX360 or PS3 (which I adore), but also killing some alien bastarts at "Space Inviders" (Atari 2600) or skating on THPS2 (PS1). I may be too old to understand this whole rush to processing power, but there are too many wonderfull games to be played.
I must agree although that A10 sucks (my refrigerator has more processing power than Allwiner A10).
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ARM cores are perfectly fine for emulation of old ***consoles***. The point is, dedicated games for the ARM core usually suck twat at every single angle.
There is a purpose for everything, and mobile phones were never intended for gaming.
I do have an ARM based box which I hook up to my TV in order to play games on pre-PSX consoles.
It's called RaspberryPi, and it doesn't have a 4" touch screen.
He stated already that its his own opinion anyway. Anyway, bagnz0r, does this support other kernel or u have a custom kernel intended for cm10.1 only? Sorry i need to ask coz im newb.
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Looking forward to try this. Good job!
Edit: Where i can find the sources?
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He stated already that its his own opinion anyway. Anyway, bagnz0r, does this support other kernel or u have a custom kernel intended for cm10.1 only? Sorry i need to ask coz im newb.
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We are basing off dh.harald's kernel.
bagnz0r said:
I'm a die-hard gamer.
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I am gamer since 1984, and i can measure my own line of PERFORMANCE i need to have nostalgia+beer experience today.
And while my winmo p750 couldn't emulate Amy 500 with full speed, A2 can do this with finger in its ass.
Now, there's fun: while winmo devices had at least few hardbuttons to manane its software, android bs have not.
You cannot generalize what machine can do - user have this right.
Btw, after getting this device i tested gta vc - while demanding, it ran perfectly well on max settings using 4y.o. card, and while i deleted this thing few minutes after test, i must say this again:
it ran perfectly well on judas77's JB.
I do care about emulation only, and i did not met anything that this device could run well so far.
This device REALLY can provide what most people need.
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pupakota said:
I am gamer since 1984, and i can measure my own line of PERFORMANCE i need to have nostalgia+beer experience today.
And while my winmo p750 couldn't emulate Amy 500 with full speed, A2 can do this with finger in its ass.
Now, there's fun: while winmo devices had at least few hardbuttons to manane its software, android bs have not.
You cannot generalize what machine can do - user have this right.
That's all.
Btw, after getting this device i tested gta vc, megatrendy thing to have in phone - it ran perfectly well on max from 4 y.o. card, and while i deleted this thing few minutes after test, i must say this again:
it ran perfectly well on judas77's JB.
I do care about emulation only, and i did not met anything that this device could run well.
This device REALLY can provide what most people need.
Pozdrawiam, przeczytaj post.
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Przeczytałem.
Honestly told, even 233 MHz Celeron can handle emulating 68000 CPU very well.
Rox said:
There is no difference between CM 10.1 and CM 10 kernel?
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I think it's patched for CM10.1, isn't it?
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str3tch72 said:
See bugs, only camcorder is not working.
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Check the CM10 thread There is Wlan bug but its not listed there
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Rikxzdjz said:
Check the CM10 thread There is Wlan bug but its not listed there
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Why would I care about CM10, again?
This is not CM10.
E: As for release, I'm just finishing to build the latest version to see if it'll run.
Hey all! I've got a nice new S3 that is my main phone, but I have an ole Samsung Replenish running 2.3.6 that a friend wasn't using so they said I could have it. I figured, hell, any device that runs Android has to have SOME use no matter how old and slow it is (This thing is 600mhz and 256mb RAM, 512mb built in storage).
So, do you have any idea what I could use it for? I can of course slap a couple GB of storage on top through microSD, but I haven't found any really good uses that appeal to me.
The things I've currently thought of are :
Music player (I prefer my Galaxy S3 though)
GPS (Again, prefer my S3)
Gaming device (Prefer my PSP Go)
Remote for itunes/music/ etc (Unified Remote, but I don't really have a use for it)
Of course could be used as a very lightweight webserver type thing, but I don't really have a good use for that, either (would use my Raspberry Pi for that)
The battery still works well enough and I have big enough pockets that if someone can think of a good use for an old, slow android phone I'd be willing to take it with me and keep it charged up!
What kind of things do you think I might be able to do with it?
I'd consider selling it but the back is worn down and the edges are scratched up enough that, considering it's already a "Great condition for $30" phone, I really don't think I'll be getting more than 10 bucks out of it, so not worth it.
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Hey all! I've got a nice new S3 that is my main phone, but I have an ole Samsung Replenish running 2.3.6 that a friend wasn't using so they said I could have it. I figured, hell, any device that runs Android has to have SOME use no matter how old and slow it is (This thing is 600mhz and 256mb RAM, 512mb built in storage).
So, do you have any idea what I could use it for? I can of course slap a couple GB of storage on top through microSD, but I haven't found any really good uses that appeal to me.
The things I've currently thought of are :
Music player (I prefer my Galaxy S3 though)
GPS (Again, prefer my S3)
Gaming device (Prefer my PSP Go)
Remote for itunes/music/ etc (Unified Remote, but I don't really have a use for it)
Of course could be used as a very lightweight webserver type thing, but I don't really have a good use for that, either (would use my Raspberry Pi for that)
The battery still works well enough and I have big enough pockets that if someone can think of a good use for an old, slow android phone I'd be willing to take it with me and keep it charged up!
What kind of things do you think I might be able to do with it?
I'd consider selling it but the back is worn down and the edges are scratched up enough that, considering it's already a "Great condition for $30" phone, I really don't think I'll be getting more than 10 bucks out of it, so not worth it.
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As an alarm clock?
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As an alarm clock?
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Because I totally don't own one of those already -.-
I think cyanogenmod 7 would be a good start.
Currently, I'm running Rapured ROM and Debian 7 in dual boot.
Raptured is based on ice cream sandwich, so you might not necessarily upgrade that high, however, Debian supports ARM v6 and up and both are lightweight and lightning fast.
I've also installed a 64 GB micro sd card, which works great.
I also installed the metroappstore.apk from Android forums.
You can scope my links, tutorials and how to's on my facebook page. (steve eligoyo)...
I keep my HTC Wildfire S as a spare.
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Great idea!
Steve!
Simply awesome! :good: (dual boot android-devian)
I have an old rk28xx based tablet, known as ONN N2(chinese), resistive and always wanted implement some thing like this.
Any advice to begin the research?
I took my phone to your way computers in Abilene Texas.
CSI in Plano Texas on us 75 is also good.
The Linux experts can do the reprogramming needed for the ROM to work.
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