So very few devices have just vanilla android. Im curious if android is open source and you have an unlocked bootloader why cant you just download the os from google and put it on your phone? Does it have to do with android not coming with drivers for all the different hardware on different phones?
Also, why arent there just plain gingerbread roms or ics roms for phones that have no skin since you apparently cant just put the plain os on your phone unless it came that way?
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tkuligowski said:
So very few devices have just vanilla android. Im curious if android is open source and you have an unlocked bootloader why cant you just download the os from google and put it on your phone? Does it have to do with android not coming with drivers for all the different hardware on different phones?
Also, why arent there just plain gingerbread roms or ics roms for phones that have no skin since you apparently cant just put the plain os on your phone unless it came that way?
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yeah...I can see you havent been around to X2 Development...we kind of dont have an unlocked bootloader. And I do believe we have a semi "vanilla" rom.
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yeah...I can see you havent been around to X2 Development...we kind of dont have an unlocked bootloader. And I do believe we have a semi "vanilla" rom.
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No im quite aware we dont have an unlocked bootloader. I guess my question was more of an android in general question. Ive lurked on the forums for a while I wasnt aware of an almost vanilla rom.
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No im quite aware we dont have an unlocked bootloader. I guess my question was more of an android in general question. Ive lurked on the forums for a while I wasnt aware of an almost vanilla rom.
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I take it you mean how come we don't (every Android device) have ability to use either the skinned Android version or a choice to use stock Android?
Its cuz companies haven't gotten to the point where they care enough about what their customers want, they just want to differentiate their device from other companies
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I take it you mean how come we don't (every Android device) have ability to use either the skinned Android version or a choice to use stock Android?
Its cuz companies haven't gotten to the point where they care enough about what their customers want, they just want to differentiate their device from other companies
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Yeah...i guess to me since phones are basically mini computers now I dont see why you cant just load the stock os on it. I mean if I buy a laptop or pc its going to come with windows...whatever brand it is it will have windows. It might have some crap on it but I can uninstall that stuff or just load windows oem on it and use my product key. I dont get why android isnt like this. Whatever phone you get you should just be able to download the os from google and load it on your phone, especially if you have a phone with an unlocked bootloader.
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Why were they able to root and unlock the boot loader and everything else on the thunderbolt so quickly but yet no one can do it on the atrix?
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Sorry, I don't know.
Because it's not locked or signed?
There's seems to be some discussion regarding it being locked or not. Engadget wrote an article about it being locked but there are a lot of comments from readers with evidence to the contrary.
With it being broken so fast, I believe it wasn't locked or signed.
Um. The phone is not unlocked. In fact the devs were in for a surprise to see the phone has signed bootloader. Signed karnel. Everything is sihned. Which is a furst for htc phone . The only thing they managed to do is root it. And they already did with the atrix. Once you have a signed bootloader and karnel. There is not much you can do.
The article was posted new today or yesterday at engadget. And nothing happened since then.
Its safe to assume all companies right now will use a locked bootloader and karnel. They dont want you to keep your phone. They want you to update.
So basically unless an employee leaks the codes we are s o l.that really sux.
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Android police is reporting that the Bootloader has been unlocked.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...he-htc-thunderbolt-and-unlock-its-bootloader/
Exactly and since the bootloader will never be unlocked on the Atrix then its going back next week. Suck it moto!
Right.So like I asked earlier, why were they able to unlock that one and not ours?
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Namuh said:
Exactly and since the bootloader will never be unlocked on the Atrix then its going back next week. Suck it moto!
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Yea I'm in the same boat, I might just go back to my captivate in the next week. I really like this phone but I don't feel like much progress is being made. I know there are a few busting ass trying to crack this thing but that doesn't necessaraly mean theyre making progress. Although they did get a copy of that unlocked/deencrypted phone from ken so maybe we'll see something soon.
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most android hackers are on verizon, because they went in with android first. the least amount of android hackers are on at&t. also, they had better resources, they were leaked a beta bootloader that was unlocked, and also a previous ruu image (like sbf but for htc)
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Right.So like I asked earlier, why were they able to unlock that one and not ours?
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I don't know the true reason, but historically, HTC phones are more "open" and "hackable" than Motorola phones (excluding the original Droid). It's just a different company policy more than likely. Is this policy different with the Thunderbolt? I'm not sure...
there is a definitive difference between 'Locked' and 'Encrypted'
Hey all,
I've just got my Atrix here in Australia and im looking at potential ROMS, for obvious reasons. Coming from a Nexus One/Nexus S im used to Cyanogen.
I found this article which indicates its possible to load CM 7.1 with Android 2.3.4 - http://mobile.downloadatoz.com/tuto...d-2-3-4-gingerbread-to-motorola-atrix-4g.html
I've searched the official site, the forum here, the first ROM Sticky and Google, but have yet to find anywhere which states that the Motorola Atrix is clearly supported by Cyanogen, nor can I find a walkthrough guide, other than the above (which looks a bit dodgy)
Any input would be greatly appreciated!!
Cheers from Down Under.
Ok.... it's fake.
1 there is no D-pad to press
2 there is no sprecovery. Sbf
3 notice there are no download links?
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Atrix isn't supported by Cyanogen, and I believe it's currently impossible to put a full-fledged ROM on the Atrix.
If only it was that easy though :/
The bootloader is locked on the atrix so no real roms. We are stuck with theming.
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Ok.... it's fake.
1 there is no D-pad to press
2 there is no sprecovery. Sbf
3 notice there are no download links?
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I take it you've never used the stock android recovery on the atrix? It says use the D-PAD in the on screen prompts. It means the volume rocker or use the touch screen.
Motorola Milestone have a locked bootloader and have CM7.
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941346
until the bootloader can be unlocked or bypassed don't hold your breath on any roms showing up here. Not saying its impossible. just can't be done right now. once that happens someone will have to either port it to the atrix or someone on the team will end up supporting the atrix and create a build for it.
Wonder if its too late to trade my Atrix in for a Galaxy S II =/ - Burning right now.
FWIW, Motorola said they would unlock the bootloaders in 4Q 2011.
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FWIW, Motorola said they would unlock the bootloaders in 4Q 2011.
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Interesting interpretation of the actual statement.
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Moved to proper forum.
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FWIW, Motorola said they would unlock the bootloaders in 4Q 2011.
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Lol and you believe them? They said they would do it only if carrier agrees to it. I don't think Att will ever agree to it.
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g33k84 said:
Wonder if its too late to trade my Atrix in for a Galaxy S II =/ - Burning right now.
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Why?? Galaxy S2 is a massive plasticky slab lol
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Interesting interpretation of the actual statement.
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Yeah, my interpretation is more like: There's no way in heck it will happen before Q4 2011, and even then, don't hold your breath.
Locked bootloaders have been hacked before, lets not lose hope.....
Yeah, It would just take an year or more like the xperia x10.
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Motorola Milestone have a locked bootloader and have CM7.
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941346
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Can someone explain this to me? How is it possible for the milestone and not for the Atrix.
I have a Milestone 1. It has a locked bootloader. However, it is completely modded. I mean, you can install themes, system modifications, overclock, modified kernel, etc. If it can be done on Milestone, why couldn't it be done on Atrix?
Maybe a dev can answer this question...
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I have a Milestone 1. It has a locked bootloader. However, it is completely modded. I mean, you can install themes, system modifications, overclock, modified kernel, etc. If it can be done on Milestone, why couldn't it be done on Atrix?
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As long as the bootloader is locked - you CANNOT change any part of the kernel... at least not on the Atrix... if it fails signature verification (which is encrpyted with an SBK) you will have yourself a nice shiny brick....
we cant do a ROM. but AOSP ROMs and Ported ROMs can still be done, just wait, the phone doesnt have enough time to get in the market properly, and all the people starts complaining about it, if you dont like it, you did you brought i the first place.
undertand that hes the first of his generation, and we need some time to learn about him!
If I had the choice between the developer version and a non-developer version which should I opt for?
Does it really matter as most users have the locked bootloader?
Thanks
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Yea its kinda pointless to get a dev phone when the bootloader is lock on it too. Just a expensive razr imo.
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So only reason is for running roms like the ICS leak via fastboot?
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So only reason is for running roms like the ICS leak via fastboot?
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Umm....no..you don't know what your talking about. The dev version is supposed to get an unlocked bl but motorola has f'd people of lol
Just get the normal one if your not a Dev
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MattyOnXperiaX10 said:
Umm....no..you don't know what your talking about. The dev version is supposed to get an unlocked bl but motorola has f'd people of lol
Just get the normal one if your not a Dev
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Wow, you're a real people person. I do know what I'm talking about. Unlock the bootloader with fastboot oem unlock so images can be flashed directly without hacking.
I was merely asking that with the Razr unlocked, the only thing that can be done is flashing images via fastboot, which as a non expert in the Razr forum, I wanted to see if there was any point.
You can flash images in fastboot or CWM just fine if you have a regular flavour locked RAZR, you just can't flash unsigned kernels. Pretty arbitrary, huh?
Story goes that even the developer edition RAZRs can't be unlocked through fastboot at this point, so really no point in shelling out the extra cost.
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So I got s-off last night and since then I've flashed like three or four different ROMS. Every single one I try, my phone will boot and then reboot for no apparent reason. I can be in a menu or get an email or text message when it happens and I can't figure out why it's doing this. Anybody have any ideas?
Old firmware patch
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Run an ics ruu and update firmware. Running ics on gb firmware doesnt work. Or flash old firmware patch as mentioned above.
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Will do, thanks. I wish HTC, Motorola and Samsung phones were as easy to flash and install ROMS, kernels, etc. as Nexus devices are.
That's because the nexus bootloader is not locked I believe the gs3 has a locked bootloader though.
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Will do, thanks. I wish HTC, Motorola and Samsung phones were as easy to flash and install ROMS, kernels, etc. as Nexus devices are.
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Nexus devices are made by HTC and Samsung so there's a little conflict there
I believe that if you are going to root/unlock... ect then you should be required to learn the phone, yes nexus devices are easy to root and flash custom roms but this makes it easier for issues to arise in the long run. Learning basic adb commands and fastboot can be a life saver.
Plus Nexus devices can be boring, i love options and AOSP can only be changed so much. Every rom will have similarities
When you have a HTC phone with sense you typically get MIUI, AOSP, and future sense roms/ports.and this is a crackflashers dream
The Rezound being one of the oddballs due to ril issues. once this is figured out for this phone and future phones then i believe HTC should be the way everyone goes
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That's because the nexus bootloader is not locked I believe the gs3 has a locked bootloader though.
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they are releasing an unlocked version for verizon through samung developer very soon so we dont have to deal with vzw and all their crap.
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they are releasing an unlocked version for verizon through samung developer very soon so we dont have to deal with vzw and all their crap.
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That's good to know so someday when apple kills htc, I have a semi-decent brand to consider for another phone.
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I have had many lengthy discussions over the last few weeks with verizon customer support. My intent has been to have them swap my ICS upgraded razr maxx for an non upgraded one. I have not had any luck.
Have you? What tactics/facts supported your needs for the swap? The phone is non functional for my needs now, but verizon wont seem to agree with me.
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I have had many lengthy discussions over the last few weeks with verizon customer support. My intent has been to have them swap my ICS upgraded razr maxx for an non upgraded one. I have not had any luck.
Have you? What tactics/facts supported your needs for the swap? The phone is non functional for my needs now, but verizon wont seem to agree with me.
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Buy another & Ebay your current one? Might be less headache.
Don't tell them that you only want a replacement because of ics, you'll never get anywhere duh. Make up an excuse say your phone is constantly freezing and you've already done resets and stuff and you'll have one at your home yomorrow.
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Just use matts utility and reflash gingerbread. Or use a custom rom.
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fo4imtippin said:
Just use matts utility and reflash gingerbread. Or use a custom rom.
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This is bad advice, as it would brick your phone...but then again, that might get you a new one - although, I am not advocating that...
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Just use matts utility and reflash gingerbread. Or use a custom rom.
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Matt's utility will not put you back to GB from ICS. Why would you wanna go back anyways? ICS is superior to GB... It takes some getting used to, but it's totally worth the time!
I chose the red pill... Now I'm in the mAtrix and I know Kung Fu...
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Just use matts utility and reflash gingerbread. Or use a custom rom.
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People need to realize that with you cannot go back to GB from ICS IF you updated your phone with an ICS version >= .8x. Once you have flashed that, you are forever on ICS. This is due to a new bootloader being put onto the RAZR. There is no going back to GB once you've update to ICS version .8x or greater.
Go to one of those used cell shops, they can do it usually, it's how they fix bricked phones, they usually have the Dev software required to do it
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People need to realize that with you cannot go back to GB from ICS IF you updated your phone with an ICS version >= .8x. Once you have flashed that, you are forever on ICS. This is due to a new bootloader being put onto the RAZR. There is no going back to GB once you've update to ICS version .8x or greater.
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Actually you can go back you just need to root and find the right boot loader, it's how you fix a bricked phone... It's hard to do and finding the right stuff is almost impossible but it can be done
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Have you? What tactics/facts supported your needs for the swap? The phone is non functional for my needs now, but verizon wont seem to agree with me.
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I.don't agree with you either. I don't know what is "non functional " for you, but ICS has been fine for me, and better than GB.
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just lou said:
I.don't agree with you either. I don't know what is "non functional " for you, but ICS has been fine for me, and better than GB.
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The inability to play embedded flash videos is a huge problem for me. Having the option to lock in 3g was also an important feature for me. The keyboard on gingerbread worked better with my thumbs, but it is not cause to return to gb. The other 2 reasons, are.
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The inability to play embedded flash videos is a huge problem for me. Having the option to lock in 3g was also an important feature for me. The keyboard on gingerbread worked better with my thumbs, but it is not cause to return to gb. The other 2 reasons, are.
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I easily lock 3G on occasion using a widget. Takes about 3 clicks. I have no issues with embedded Flash. I can't comment on the GB keyboard since I never used it.
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I easily lock 3G on occasion using a widget. Takes about 3 clicks. I have no issues with embedded Flash. I can't comment on the GB keyboard since I never used it.
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Having to use a widget to switch to 3g after every reboot with only 3 clicks is far from locking onto a particular data connection.
By the sounds of it you purchased your phone with the ics upgrade on it (being you've never used the gingerbread keyboard), so you really wouldn't understand how wonderful this phone use to be.
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Having to use a widget to switch to 3g after every reboot with only 3 clicks is far from locking onto a particular data connection.
By the sounds of it you purchased your phone with the ics upgrade on it (being you've never used the gingerbread keyboard), so you really wouldn't understand how wonderful this phone use to be.
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First, I've owned the phone since it was released.
Second, If clicking a widget and finding a better alternative to the mediocre stock keyboard is too much trouble to you, then I realize trying to help you is fruitless. Good luck in your quest to get Verizon to give you a new phone because you want the Gingerbread keyboard back, can't figure out how to get Flash working, and don't want to use a widget to disable 4G.
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First, I've owned the phone since it was released.
Second, If clicking a widget and finding a better alternative to the mediocre stock keyboard is too much trouble to you, then I realize trying to help you is fruitless. Good luck in your quest to get Verizon to give you a new phone because you want the Gingerbread keyboard back, can't figure out how to get Flash working, and don't want to use a widget to disable 4G.
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First: You expect me to believe you have no experience with the RAZR GB keyboard if you've owned it since its release?
Second: Are you truly claiming that you have the ability to stream embedded flash videos, off of websites, with your DROID RAZR on the stock Verizon ICS release? If so, you have one unique RAZR, as you'd be the only one with the ability to do so.. Adobe Flash streams do not work on our phone with the update... visit the Google Play store and read the RAZR comments on Adobe... It's broken.
Third: If you are the type of consumer that is comfortable with needing to adapt and use alternative methods to use your purchased products as they are intended and advertised, then you are of a unique breed.
I appreciate and expect merchandise to operate as advertised.. I like the items I purchase to remain fully functional.
I haven't even mentioned the issues with the battery, but I'm sure you'd disagree there is anything wrong with cutting down the life of a battery by 40%.. Got an app for that?
Now you battery doesn't work either. ....Keep going. You're almost up to a legitimate reason for a new phone.
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just lou said:
Now you battery doesn't work either. ....Keep going. You're almost up to a legitimate reason for a new phone.
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Did I say it didn't work? Or did I say it wasn't working as it was before the update?
He probably likes alternative keyboards so wouldn't touch stock, i hate swipe and like the stock ics keyboard.
My friend uses better kb or w/e, there are a few ppl that claim to have flash working on some websites.
And on stock ics my phone chewed through battery.
So root it and use a different cpu governor which will fix it. Custom roms will eventually (they might already) have a 3/4g toggle.
Motorola's ics updates are mostly fine, you should have read the problems ppl were having.
So you can't complain
Nothing isn't perfect, and i wouldn't expect stock to be as good as this, if flash worked fine, this would be one of the few phones i'd recommend to anyone AND it will not require they come see me to "set there phone up"
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