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Not one to relax and enjoy the spoils of war after conquering the Wall/Car charger mystery I have decided to move on to the subject of USB host without the dock. Sorry if I am duplicating other similar threads but starting a new thread helps me through the process of testing. I'm hoping the asus USB host adapter will be out soon so I can gut it like tuna but till then it is back to the rig I used for the charger probing.
Update 10/16/2011
So what we actually now know.
1. USB host mode requires a board found in the USB Host adapter from Asus
2. Some users are having issues with the adapter staying connected. Bad design IMO, too big of a device to be hanging off the tablet connected to thumb drives and other devices.
3. 5V is being supplied to usb devices, I have not personally verified this but will soon.
Some options
1. Build USB Host "Dongle" with connector and USB adapter.
Sounds like people are having disconnection issues, a dongle might be a better solution for that taking the pressure off the connector on the TF and move it down a wire to dongle connector. This will be my first build since it shouldn't be to difficult.
2. Machine a small attachable dock that sits at the bottom of the TF which contains the host adapter, memory cart reader slots and USB ports.
I love this idea but will take time and money I don't have at the moment. BUT drawings are already done and I'm having my machinist put it on his to do list at the bottom. Prototype in 45 days but no promises.
3. Modding a TF to contain the host adapter internally.
This requires you to open up your TF and install the board and a connector. A daunting task for anyone with even good circuit board and fabrication skills. Best person for this job is Bob, but is there space in the case?
Additional Thread and Web resource links
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18474358#post18474358
First Mod, Host Adapter dongle.
While building this on I'll looking in to the capability of charging the TF while using the host adapter.
USB adapter shows up tomorrow and I hit the ground running. Pics and updates to come. Stay tuned!
Hey,
Any updates on this? I would love to see a solution to connect USB devices without needing a dock.
Waiting for the official adaptor might take a while: Asus Australia confirmed that the adaptor is not coming any time soon (and maybe never to AUS at all), Asus Germany can't give a specific date.
DevCake said:
Not one to relax and enjoy the spoils of war after conquering the Wall/Car charger mystery I have decided to move on to the subject of USB host without the dock. Sorry if I am duplicating other similar threads but starting a new thread helps me through the process of testing. I'm hoping the asus USB host adapter will be out soon so I can gut it like tuna but till then it is back to the rig I used for the charger probing.
So what do we know
1. Connecting a USB 2.0 female to female coupler using the factor sync/charge cable from the Table to other USB devices does not work.
2. Asus will be releasing an adapter that allows for USB host features and this tells us it can be done.
3. Asus used some of the usb 3.0 pins to show termination from the tablet to start charging at 15V so this method might be in practice for the usb host function.
I've done a little monitoring of data pins on the factory cable but see no difference between when a device is and is not connected. I have a feeling we are dealing with 2 things, 5v power from the tablet to power the usb device and a pin termination to trigger the host function.
~DC
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you can use USB3.0 female to female coupler
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you can use USB3.0 female to female coupler
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Have you tried with this adaptor? Do es it works?
Anyone with a USB 3.0 female to female adapter yet?
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Anyone with a USB 3.0 female to female adapter yet?
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Following the OP's logic..
I do not believe that a Female to Female USB3 would be enough. I suspect and trying to locate one is a pain that you will need not only a USB3 AF to AF but also a USB3 Powered Hub (or USB 3 Powered Device) as the TF cable does not supply power..
I tried the USB 2 AF to AF path with my powered hub and can confirm it does not work, TF will mount fine on PC via the HUB so it is not a connection problem so I suspect like the OP that we need all the magic pins of a USB3 connection which logically would also mean we all the magic of a USB3 hub (or device) as well..
I cannot find a USB3 AF to Micro AF cable anyplace (They are all male) so even if I can get my hands on a USB3 powered hub (which are also rare) I could not complete this experiment..
I suspect the lack of the OP's postings would also indicate they are having the same trouble as well..
So in summary, I strongly believe we need USB3 Powered Hub + USB 3 Cable from the Hub to the TF Cable
Anyone got those?
Well I done some searching and found these two that should provide all the right specifications for the TF but I am starting to have some significant doubts that this is all worth it considering this is only a theoretical solution based on USB3 pins logic vs just pay the $149 price tag and get the keyboard dock that we know will work..
USB 3.0 Adapter (A Female to Micro B male)
http://www.usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=1882
ICY BOX 4 Port USB 3.0 Hub
http://www.icybox.com.tw/page/product_accessories/product_accessories-ib-ac610.htm
*sighs*
As I posted in the other usb host thread, the USB adaptor is listed in a German online shop: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103784
I just want to know when that damn Asus USB dongle is releasing. I don't need the keyboard dock. Already have a 13.3 laptop.
the same site has also in stock the sd adapter (nice for my photo machine, avail at 19€ as well), and the minidock (2 usb + stand) at 29€.
The sleeve is avail at 34.90€, the vga cable at 29€, and a travel kit at 39€.
Everithing is said being available in 2-4 days...
Last week was baja 500 prep for my but i'm back and moving forward with testing.
Don't waste your time with the female 3.0 adapter. The tablet is using one of the 40 pins on the proprietary adapter to look for termination from the keyboard dock to activate the USB host function. This is my theory but I still will test all 9 of the 3.0 pins.
The only way I will be able to test all 40 pins on the tablet connector is to either find a bare connector or wait for the asus usb adapter and open it. I'll start lookng for a bare connector next Week
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~DC
So no new solutions for hosting on the TF? No new information about the adapter?
Hello guys,
Does anyone try this:
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-g...on-cable-Micro-SD-card-cable-wholesalers.html
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So no new solutions for hosting on the TF? No new information about the adapter?
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Nothing yet on either. The adapter from Asus has not shown up anywhere and I'm still in testing mode for a DIY solution.
vaystikh said:
Hello guys,
Does anyone try this:
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-g...on-cable-Micro-SD-card-cable-wholesalers.html
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I don't see a reason why that won't work but my focus is to activate the host function so that USB devices will be recognized and accessible.
DevCake said:
Last week was baja 500 prep for my but i'm back and moving forward with testing.
Don't waste your time with the female 3.0 adapter. The tablet is using one of the 40 pins on the proprietary adapter to look for termination from the keyboard dock to activate the USB host function. This is my theory but I still will test all 9 of the 3.0 pins.
~DC
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Thanks DevCake looking forward to seeing some more results.. I would not be surprised if your theory is correct.. I not gone down the Female adapter path yet until we can verify exactly why USB Host is not being enabled..
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Nothing yet on either. The adapter from Asus has not shown up anywhere and I'm still in testing mode for a DIY solution.
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The adapter has shown up in a German online shop (cyberport.de, search for "usb extension kit" or "sd extension kit") and is listed as in Stock. I wrote them an email to get confirmation that they really have it in Stock and shippable. Maybe somebody in Germany can make a teardown and show us the internals!
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The adapter has shown up in a German online shop (cyberport.de, search for "usb extension kit" or "sd extension kit") and is listed as in Stock. I wrote them an email to get confirmation that they really have it in Stock and shippable. Maybe somebody in Germany can make a teardown and show us the internals!
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If you google "1D09-36X" it comes up with other EU sites that carry it. Hopefully it won't be long till we get it in the US.
Does anyone happen to know the type/model/name of the connector is.
Maybe we can find something that is the same pin config and cut it open and splice in a usb 3.0 female cable.
I've spliced many a cable together for similar purposes, just need the connector end.
We as reseller have direct contact with asus. I called today Asus Netherlands about the usb host adapter.
Atm this moment there only 2 accessoires on the market, which are as follow:
- Asus Sleeve
- Asus Dock
The Sales Manager at Asus Netherlands told me that several other people asked for the USB Host adapter also. They said it wont be on the market until 3th quarter of the year (Aug/Sept/Oct).
Asus Taiwain puts these items on the market. Asus Taiwan understands that there is some demand for this USB Adapter.
So, we have to wait until 3th qaurter 2011 or try to fabricate something ourselfs or wait for some crazy chinese which puts something similiar on the market.
I don't buy Transformers enclosed dock so I could try to create a USB host port for the machine. I use two USB host connected to each other (as shown) with the correct wire colors including red, black, blue and white.
However, it does not work, exactly what the machine does not respond when the USB plug. I thought maybe it needs a 5V source to power USB operation, but do not know how.
Who can help me this? Thanks.
Did you try an USB3 Female-to-Female adaptor?
I am pretty sure it uses different pins for dock. Also, I have a feeling that USB host hardware is located in the keyboard, because when dock is detached I only see 1 USB port in console, instead of 3. However, it's probably possible to somehow switch that port to a host mode.
Added: Nwm, lsusb works a bit different than on desktop linux. It only shows host port when something is attached to it. So, there are 4 USBs on transformer. 1 usb client, and 3 hosts.(probably a usb hub in the keyboard) So, it looks like there is host on the tablet itself, just need to find the correct pins.
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Did you try an USB3 Female-to-Female adaptor?
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I don't know the female-to-female USB, but I think that I am creating is it.
I think the problem lies in the cord is too long may not get external USB device. Is there a way to grant more power to it?
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I think the problem lies in the cord is too long may not get external USB device. Is there a way to grant more power to it?
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-_- The problems lies in the fact that it's not a USB HOST.
HungSanity said:
I don't buy Transformers enclosed dock so I could try to create a USB host port for the machine. I use two USB host connected to each other (as shown) with the correct wire colors including red, black, blue and white.
However, it does not work, exactly what the machine does not respond when the USB plug. I thought maybe it needs a 5V source to power USB operation, but do not know how.
Who can help me this? Thanks.
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Don't put to much time, effort and energy into this.
Read the following:
Comming Asus Transformer accesories
JEV66 said:
Don't put to much time, effort and energy into this.
Read the following:
Comming Asus Transformer accesories
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I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for these.
fader01 said:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for these.
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Yeah, to be quite honest Asus completely blows as far as hardware support for this product is concerned. It's hard enough trying to find a REPLACEMENT charger let alone hold out hope of aftermarket accessories.
And the adapter looks huge. I prefer a cable.
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-_- The problems lies in the fact that it's not a USB HOST.
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Are you sure? There are a lot of signal wires in the 40 pin cable. It makes more sense if there is at least one host among some of those wires. If we grab power off the three + power lines in the 40 pin proprietary plug we could drive a small hub.
I was hoping to see some of these (hundreds available from dealextreme.com) modded for the tablet.
Bob Smith42 said:
Are you sure? There are a lot of signal wires in the 40 pin cable. It makes more sense if there is at least one host among some of those wires. If we grab power off the three + power lines in the 40 pin proprietary plug we could drive a small hub.
I was hoping to see some of these (hundreds available from dealextreme.com) modded for the tablet.
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Wait too long accessories. Testing this stuff is very interesting though unsuccessful, hehe. I'm looking for a USB host power supply itself to see why. Hope everything good change.
Bob Smith42 said:
Are you sure? There are a lot of signal wires in the 40 pin cable. It makes more sense if there is at least one host among some of those wires. If we grab power off the three + power lines in the 40 pin proprietary plug we could drive a small hub.
I was hoping to see some of these (hundreds available from dealextreme.com) modded for the tablet.
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Yes, there is definitely a USB host on that 40 pin connector, but the way OP connected cable won't work because that connector on the cable only connects to the USB client. In other words, it uses wrong pins.
I'd offer some help but the forum rules state your post has to be in English.
hey.
i have sailed the internetz looking for answers for this. but i thought ild ask what everyone else thought.
would atrix lapdock work with sg2? (with mods off course) like changing the connectors about. and using a mhl to hdmi cable?
i was looking at the connectors and it is a micro hdmi and a micro usb if im not wrong..
whats everyones thoughts to this???
Timoxa said:
hey.
i have sailed the internetz looking for answers for this. but i thought ild ask what everyone else thought.
would atrix lapdock work with sg2? (with mods off course) like changing the connectors about. and using a mhl to hdmi cable?
i was looking at the connectors and it is a micro hdmi and a micro usb if im not wrong..
whats everyones thoughts to this???
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My thoughts; not sure if serious...
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My thoughts; not sure if serious...
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what do you mean by that? its a valid question.
i know for sure you can connect your sg2 to the hdmi to display. but its the trackpad and keyboard im wondering about the most?
Timoxa said:
what do you mean by that? its a valid question.
i know for sure you can connect your sg2 to the hdmi to display. but its the trackpad and keyboard im wondering about the most?
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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alright. well thanks for the answer. guess il have to look for another idea. possibly using portable hd screen and a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
cheers anyway.
ctomgee said:
NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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alright. well thanks for the answer. guess il have to look for another idea. possibly using portable hd screen and a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
cheers anyway.
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You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
I know for certain that you can use the lapdock as the screen by just connecting the video out of the MHL adapter to the lapdock, and a usb power only cable (for the MHL adapter) to the lapdocks normal USB charge ports.
There is a thread called Lapdock HDMI that has more details!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679
As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
phire420 said:
You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
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ive seen some mhl cables online which have a micro usb port on the side also. so you can plug in the micro hdmi and usb at the same time .. not as the other guy said. anyway im going to order the dock to see what mods i can get done. if anything promising il repost.
phire420 said:
You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
I know for certain that you can use the lapdock as the screen by just connecting the video out of the MHL adapter to the lapdock, and a usb power only cable (for the MHL adapter) to the lapdocks normal USB charge ports.
There is a thread called Lapdock HDMI that has more details!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679
As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
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That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
Have you even looked at the connections involved here?
The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them.
The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation. I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
Timoxa said:
ive seen some mhl cables online which have a micro usb port on the side also. so you can plug in the micro hdmi and usb at the same time .. not as the other guy said. anyway im going to order the dock to see what mods i can get done. if anything promising il repost.
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No - the micro USB port on the side of the MHL adapter is for power. If the HDMI port you plug into is NOT MHL compliant (and not many are, yet), you need to plug an AC adapter in to power the phone while HDMI is in use.
ctomgee said:
That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
Have you even looked at the connections involved here?
The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them.
The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation. I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
No - the micro USB port on the side of the MHL adapter is for power. If the HDMI port you plug into is NOT MHL compliant (and not many are, yet), you need to plug an AC adapter in to power the phone while HDMI is in use.
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well. theres allot of different mhl cables. even if none of them support it. splitting the usb data from the other cables on the mhl should be easy. but like i said il order one to play with. im pretty sure even if i cant do anything with the sg2 il find another use for it. would be great for a project. but many thanks for your input. sure has shed some light in the dark.
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well. theres allot of different mhl cables. even if none of them support it. splitting the usb data from the other cables on the mhl should be easy. but like i said il order one to play with. im pretty sure even if i cant do anything with the sg2 il find another use for it. would be great for a project. but many thanks for your input. sure has shed some light in the dark.
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Sure, there are a lot of MHL cables, but they are all essentially third party versions of the OEM Samsung MHL cable. (or whatever phone manufacturer you have that uses MHL - HTC, whatever)
I have high doubts ANY MHL cable will support it, since as I said, the phone will detect what type of connection is attached to decide how to send/receive signals from the port - if it sees the MHL adapter, it will do charge/HDMI; if it sees a regular USB cable, it will do charge/data transfer/OTG; if it sees an AC adapter, it does strictly charging. Notice how it can tell the difference when you have it plugged into your computer as opposed to when you have it plugged into the wall?
But if you want to go for it, good luck.
EDIT: yet another piece of info shooting this idea down.
Here's the video that he talks about in that post. Info specific on why this DOESN'T work is at about 7:25.
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Sure, there are a lot of MHL cables, but they are all essentially third party versions of the OEM Samsung MHL cable. (or whatever phone manufacturer you have that uses MHL - HTC, whatever)
I have high doubts ANY MHL cable will support it, since as I said, the phone will detect what type of connection is attached to decide how to send/receive signals from the port - if it sees the MHL adapter, it will do charge/HDMI; if it sees a regular USB cable, it will do charge/data transfer/OTG; if it sees an AC adapter, it does strictly charging. Notice how it can tell the difference when you have it plugged into your computer as opposed to when you have it plugged into the wall?
But if you want to go for it, good luck.
EDIT: yet another piece of info shooting this idea down.
Here's the video that he talks about in that post.
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i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning, il have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth. ive have just looked at the specifications of a mhl even though they can in theory support usb and hdmi at the same time. the sg2 wont. and i cant see any software mod that would allow this. il see what sort of bluetooth mods are available. maybe incorporate stuff i have done in the past. but the dock is too good to pass by.
i think we can close this thread as its been answered.
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i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning, il have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth. ive have just looked at the specifications of a mhl even though they can in theory support usb and hdmi at the same time. the sg2 wont. and i cant see any software mod that would allow this. il see what sort of bluetooth mods are available. maybe incorporate stuff i have done in the past. but the dock is too good to pass by.
i think we can close this thread as its been answered.
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Not to nitpick, but it's MHL 1.0 that won't support it. The GS2 just uses MHL. Who knows if there's a possibility to update it to whatever MHL 2.0 is, whenever it comes out.
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That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
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Noone is 'arguing', instead I am trying to be productive and help. Forgive me opening the door to actually trying it and thinking it through instead of just saying 'THERE IS NO WAY ITS POSSIBLE, OMG ATRIX FORUM'. you do know where you are.. right?
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Have you even looked at the connections involved here? The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them. The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
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yes, of course. you couldn't tell by my reply?
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So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation.
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Right, which is why i even posted in the first place. First you claimed to know, now you dont know, not very helpful. and yes, i think its understood there would be cables and a potential need for splicing, as outlined in the other lapdock thread.
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See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
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actually the other thread is perfectly relevant, if you read it, you would understand the point of the thread is a howto on interfacing the lapdock with devices OTHER than the atrix, how could it be more relevant?
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Seriously? You're arguing that no one is arguing? By arguing?
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instead I am trying to be productive and help. Forgive me opening the door to actually trying it and thinking it through instead of just saying 'THERE IS NO WAY ITS POSSIBLE, OMG ATRIX FORUM'. you do know where you are.. right?
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Yes, I do. In the I9100 forums. Which is based on completely different hardware and architecture than the Motorola Atrix.
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Have you even looked at the connections involved here? The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them. The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
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yes, of course. you couldn't tell by my reply?
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Clearly not, since you apparently understand less about how MHL works than I do.
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So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation.
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Right, which is why i even posted in the first place. First you claimed to know, now you dont know, not very helpful. and yes, i think its understood there would be cables and a potential need for splicing, as outlined in the other lapdock thread.
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Actually, I said I'm not an expert. Not that I didn't know. That's two different things. I notice you also conveniently left off the part of my quote after the part that said "I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation" which read:
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I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
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phire420 said:
actually the other thread is perfectly relevant, if you read it, you would understand the point of the thread is a howto on interfacing the lapdock with devices OTHER than the atrix, how could it be more relevant?
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Sure, relevant. But not, at the same time. Look at post 10 of that thread. It says "The lapdock keyboard and touchpad work just like a normal USB keyboard and mouse."
Now, clearly I read the thread you linked. Did YOU read anything I linked, or watch the video featuring a spokesman from the frigging MHL consortium??? How he said HDMI out and USB will NOT work at the same time on any phone that utilizes MHL, not just the Galaxy S2? And goes on to explain why?
You started this fight with:
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As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
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in post 6. Get off your frigging high-and-mighty-horse, and crawl back under your bridge.
Timoxa said:
i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning
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Video will work, but as ctomgee stated and linked, usb wont work at the same time
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ill have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth.
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good luck m8 id love to see if you can pull this off!
you can always solder in a usb-Bluetooth tx so that the keypad and keyboard will work via bluetooth and hdmi via MHL. thats the only way
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you can always solder in a usb-Bluetooth tx so that the keypad and keyboard will work via bluetooth and hdmi via MHL. thats the only way
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sounds like it's a possible solution, i'm trying to find a way to use the lapdock with my galaxy s3. any idea where we can get a usb-bluetooth tx? pair this setup with allshare dongle for wireless transmission to hdmi, we'll hv a total wireless solution to connect any phone to the lapdock?!
Hey all, I tried searching for this "usb cable", "can't charge", "unable to charge device", but did not seem to come across anything. Either that or I'm blind...
Well anyway, I left my charger/cable that came with the HTC One (T-mobile version) at the SO's place, so I thought I'd try a usb cable I have at work plugged into the laptop. My phone comes up with a notification saying "Unable to charge device. Please use the supported charger".
I came across this the first day as well, when I used the HTC adapter and my cable from work. Since then I've only found that the HTC adapter + usb cable that came in the box will work. I haven't tried bundled usb cable with the laptop. Is this for real? Does anybody know what kind of charger/usb cable I should be looking for in case I wanted to get a spare or have an extra set to use?
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HTC One adapter + bundled USB cable = will charge fine
HTC One adapter + random usb cable from work = "Unable to charge device. Please use the supported charger."
Laptop + random usb cable from work = "Unable to charge device. Please use the supported charger."
Nobody else is experiencing this? I have 4 usb cables here at work and none of them work. Thought they would've been all standard USB cables. Perhaps not eh?
btw these cables I have from work have worked on the Nexus4 previously.
There was a brief discussion about this in a different section. It may pertain to your issue. It is on page 174 (on the xda dev app. I don't know if the pages are different if on the PC)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2234761
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girlygirl00 said:
There was a brief discussion about this in a different section. It may pertain to your issue. It is on page 174 (on the xda dev app. I don't know if the pages are different if on the PC)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2234761
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Thanks for the info...it was on page 174 on the PC too. It seems to be a different issue though, with an adapter that has less than 1A input. My problem seems to come from the USB cable I'm using, since the HTC adapter + my usb cable doesn't work, but HTC adapter + HTC usb cable does..
I borrowed a different usb cable from my coworker and it seems to work in the laptop for some reason. He mentioned that he's heard similar stories like this before which involved different wiring of the power/data lines in the cable or something....in any case I just found it really odd that it turned out like this. As far as I know there's no indication of different types of USB cables...so how the heck would I know which cable to get if I needed a spare!
Not all usb cables are creAted equal..
Perfect example would be a usb cable from an LG G2X
On samsung galaxy s2. Turn the phone off and plug into normal cable.. turn it on.. it charges
Turn the phone off.. plug it into G2X cable.. turn it on.. it puts the phone in download mode.
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walrusaur said:
Thanks for the info...it was on page 174 on the PC too. It seems to be a different issue though, with an adapter that has less than 1A input. My problem seems to come from the USB cable I'm using, since the HTC adapter + my usb cable doesn't work, but HTC adapter + HTC usb cable does..
I borrowed a different usb cable from my coworker and it seems to work in the laptop for some reason. He mentioned that he's heard similar stories like this before which involved different wiring of the power/data lines in the cable or something....in any case I just found it really odd that it turned out like this. As far as I know there's no indication of different types of USB cables...so how the heck would I know which cable to get if I needed a spare!
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Just a FYI, the page numbers may be different; one can setup the number of posts in a page in the user control panel. I think mine is set to 50, so I think that might be on page 6 for me if I'm using my PC. It's generally better to link just that individual post to be sure people see it.
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Just a FYI, the page numbers may be different; one can setup the number of posts in a page in the user control panel. I think mine is set to 50, so I think that might be on page 6 for me if I'm using my PC. It's generally better to link just that individual post to be sure people see it.
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ahh that's good advice. Thanks.
For anyone interested, I think this is the first post I saw that was related to it (didn't look too far back to see the post s/he was replying to):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41239399&postcount=1732
There are a few posts afterwards, but in the end I think it was more of an adapter related issue rather than a usb cable issue.
Also, I managed to find another USB cable at home that I hadn't tried yet (it was a cable that came with a portable HDD), and lo and behold it worked when I plugged into my pc. So I guess it's just the usb cables I have at work that for some reason don't want to play nice with my phone. blah.
I am having a nightmare trying to find any USB 3.0/ 3.1 type c to type c (at least 5gbps) cables in the UK longer than 3ft!! I have found a couple of 3 ft ones but I will be using it to charge my S8, there is no way a 3ft cable is going to reach behind my desk and down to the socket. I would also like to be able to use it as more than purely a charging cable, hence wanting 5gbps or the newer 10gbps speeds. I am amazed there isn't a single cable longer than 3ft for it other than a few old usb 2.0 ones which are useless these days (and I suspect won't even charge it at full speed).
Couple of 3ft ones, one by Belkin and one by Anker, but nothing longer (in the UK anyway). There must be a demand for them, connecting a charger will need longer than 3ft for anyone that has it on a desk, and connecting it to the back of a pc of docking station will as well!
https://www.anker.com/products/A8169091
They have a few others on there as well that are 6 ft.
rkennison said:
https://www.anker.com/products/A8169091
They have a few others on there as well that are 6 ft.
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"Buy at Amazon US" and "USB-C to USB-A"
ewokuk said:
"Buy at Amazon US" and "USB-C to USB-A"
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PowerLine USB-C to USB-C 2.0 (6ft / 1.8m)
https://www.anker.com/products/A8182011
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PowerLine USB-C to USB-C 2.0 (6ft / 1.8m)
https://www.anker.com/products/A8182011
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Again, I am *NOT* in the US...and I *DONT* want USB 2.0!!
I don't see why not use 2 cables. Personally I use 2 cables simply because always having to pull the cable and do what I got to do then put it back from my desk is real bothersome. I don't know how your setup is however.
If you're looking for a cable to use with the OEM charger, the unboxing videos I've seen show the included charger with a USB A connection, so you would need a C-to-A cable. (You might already be aware, just making sure.)
Tidbits said:
I don't see why not use 2 cables. Personally I use 2 cables simply because always having to pull the cable and do what I got to do then put it back from my desk is real bothersome. I don't know how your setup is however.
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Yeah I am using 2 cables, this is the second one. I already have a 6ft USB C to A cable so that's covered, I just want a c to c cable 6ft and at least 5gbps usb 3.0 so it is somewhat future proof (vs all the usb 2.0 versions I keep finding that are too old and slow for my needs).
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If you're looking for a cable to use with the OEM charger, the unboxing videos I've seen show the included charger with a USB A connection, so you would need a C-to-A cable. (You might already be aware, just making sure.)
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Yep I have C to A already. No Idea why C to C at longer than 3ft is so hard to find, I'll just have to wait I guess.
C to C isn't all that popular currently. There are very few things out right now that require C to C.
Anker PowerLine+ USB-C to USB 3.0 cable (6ft), High Durability, for USB Type-C Devices Including the new MacBook, ChromeBook Pixel, Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Nokia N1 Tablet, OnePlus 2 and More https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01M5GMZ6X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_X5w6ybQK9Q3MC
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Are you completely ****ing brainless? How many times do I have to say IN THE UK for you to get it into your thick skull? And you haven't found *IT* because the IT that you posted was COMPLETELY THE WRONG ****ING CABLE. Jesus christ.
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I guess you are not that bright either since you couldn't find a simple cable for yourself and resorted to ask for help.
Next time you need help on a public forum maybe it's a good idea to pretend you are not a complete douchebag.
And i completely agree with other poster, you should Google yourself. We are not your servants.
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rubaiet said:
I guess you are not that bright either since you couldn't find a simple cable for yourself and resorted to ask for help.
Next time you need help on a public forum maybe it's a good idea to pretend you are not a complete douchebag.
And i completely agree with other poster, you should Google yourself. We are not your servants.
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Both of you are acting like children. The likely reason why its so hard to find is because the manufacturers likely consider the main use-case to be phone to phone data transfer or Phone to PC charge and data. In this scenario most people would want the devices relatively close together. It just might be too early for a cable like it to be widely available. I managed to find 1 (I think) on the amazon UK site. It comes in a pack of 5 cables with varied lengths. It appears they have the cable but I don't see it in a stand-alone pack just yet.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AUKEY-Cabl...id=1492431447&sr=8-37&keywords=usb+3.0+c+to+c
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Both of you are acting like children. The likely reason why its so hard to find is because the manufacturers likely consider the main use-case to be phone to phone data transfer or Phone to PC charge and data. In this scenario most people would want the devices relatively close together. It just might be too early for a cable like it to be widely available. I managed to find 1 (I think) on the amazon UK site. It comes in a pack of 5 cables with varied lengths. It appears they have the cable but I don't see it in a stand-alone pack just yet.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AUKEY-Cabl...id=1492431447&sr=8-37&keywords=usb+3.0+c+to+c
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I'm not sure why you are saying I acted like a child! I was merely saying that nobody is perfect and it's not okay to insult people. He didn't swear at me, he did it to someone else. I intervened as you just did.
Anyway, I guess you just misunderstood the context.
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rubaiet said:
I'm not sure why you are saying I acted like a child! I was merely saying that nobody is perfect and it's not okay to insult people. He didn't swear at me, he did it to someone else. I intervened as you just did.
Anyway, I guess you just misunderstood the context.
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I did misunderstand. I would rather we all focus on trying to help OP and not flame each other. Figured calling it childish was the mildest way to put things.
here you go:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AmazonBasi...rds=AmazonBasics+USB+Type-C+to+USB+Type-C+3.1
And cheaper:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AUKEY-MacB...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=CZ5W2214G82TAFF3CJQ9
dumraden said:
And cheaper:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AUKEY-MacB...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=CZ5W2214G82TAFF3CJQ9
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I looked for this the other day and only found the 5 pack. Good job.
ram8704 said:
I looked for this the other day and only found the 5 pack. Good job.
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I basically clicked on the 5-pack you posted and it was one of the recommended items below. :laugh:
dumraden said:
I basically clicked on the 5-pack you posted and it was one of the recommended items below. :laugh:
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It's USB 2.0 :crying:
As a new member I can't post direct links yet but just go to Amazon's UK website and search "usb c 3.0 long" and you will tons of options. Not sure why you had such difficulty finding it.