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What is the difference between the archos 7 and 8?
is it just the screen size and a little software. im asking because i have a 7 that i recieved for a gift. i do want to keep it.
Not too fancy on the android apps, and Android OS, im a windows man.
so im asking to see what kind of mods, or apps. i have seen like the appslib, i have the Sam.4 its another app market. not sure of anything on the gapps installer.
Just trying to get some random info on this. I am going to create a user name on archosfan.com. as well. But this is my home for all my roms, and mods, apps. Wanted to try here first with the best team.
Thank YOU!!!
Is it the 7 Home Tablet (says right on the front of the device)? If so, you are in the "wrong" forum. This is actually for the Generation 8 Internet Tablet series.
That said, here are the pages for the 7 Home Tablet:
http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_7/index.html?country=us&lang=en
And the 8 Home Tablet:
http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_8/index.html?country=us&lang=en
Major differences, the 8 is a 4:3 format screen (800x600) and the 7 is a 16:9 format screen (800x480).
It is said the 7 Home Tablet may get Android 2.1, but it is currently 1.6, several versions behind the current 2.2 (Froyo) or 2.3 (Gingerbread). I do not think it will be capable of going past 2.1 unless it is the rumored 7 Home Tablet, rev 2.
I'm trying to decide on a tablet for myself.
Thought about the nook but the 7" screen dissuaded me.
Specs:
G http://www.viewsonic.com/gtablet/spec.htm
10s http://ap.viewsonic.com/za/products/viewpad/viewpad10s/specs.php
Now I'm down to the G Tablet ($360) and the ViewPad 10s ($399)
10s to GTablet Comparison: (legend: + Pro, - Con, ? unknown)
+ seems to have a better screen (larger viewing angles)
+ HDMI port
- 512MB internal flash (not too bad if apps2sdext is possible)
- Lesser capacity battery (3300 vs 3650 mAh)
? developer support ? will there be a xda forum and support (ROMs)
Other questions:
The 10s has an accelerometer (g-sensor)
Does the G Tablet have an Accelometer? Magnetometer (compass)?
Please help me decide. thanks.
Yes accelerometer, no magnetometer.
Doesn't the 10s have 3G connectivity as well as GPS? GPS would be nice to have, but not a necessity. And the 3G connection is a bit of overkill unless you're traveling all the time. Pretty hard to find a place nowadays without wifi.
From what I've heard, the screen in the 10s is the same as the gtablet. Or at least shares the same viewing angle concerns.
Also, I'm not sure where you're posting from, but the 10s is a Eurpoean model. but I'm sure you can get it on ebay for the US.
Thanks for your answers.
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Doesn't the 10s have 3G connectivity as well as GPS? GPS would be nice to have, but not a necessity. And the 3G connection is a bit of overkill unless you're traveling all the time. Pretty hard to find a place nowadays without wifi.
From what I've heard, the screen in the 10s is the same as the gtablet. Or at least shares the same viewing angle concerns.
Also, I'm not sure where you're posting from, but the 10s is a Eurpoean model. but I'm sure you can get it on ebay for the US.
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I dont need 3G coz my Nexus can tether for free , same reason I dont need another GPS too.
JR.com is taking pre-orders
http://www.jr.com/viewsonic/pe/VIW_VIEWPAD10S/
I'm pretty confused....
So from the hours of research that I have done, from what I understand (and correct me if i'm wrong) there are 3 tablets coming out from Viewsonic. . . The Viewpad 10, Viewpad 10s (European and Asian markets), and a Viewpad 10 Pro.
From what I have read, the 10 Pro will also be dual boot, Windows 7 and Android 2.2. The one thing that confuses me besides all of the mixed information out there, is that....
1) Android 2.2 will be native (dual boot).
2) Android 2.2 will "work within a VM" which is launched within Windows 7.
Has anyone else closely researched Viewsonic's new tablet lineup?
Thanks.
The major difference between the G Tablet and Viewpad is CPU. For G Tablet we have Tegra2 which will be a reference design for Android 3. Viewpad should be using Intel Atom CPU to be able to run Windows7. I think it will have much worse support from xda. So if you want Windows and terrible battery live - choose Viewpad. If you want Android 3 Honeycomb - G Tablet.
ivan.volosyuk said:
The major difference between the G Tablet and Viewpad is CPU. For G Tablet we have Tegra2 which will be a reference design for Android 3. Viewpad should be using Intel Atom CPU to be able to run Windows7. I think it will have much worse support from xda. So if you want Windows and terrible battery live - choose Viewpad. If you want Android 3 Honeycomb - G Tablet.
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Wrong...
The 10S version of the viewpad has a tegra cpu just like the gtablet..Some places are actually calling it a gtab2 and/or the euro gtab only because it has a few additional features but supposedly a similar screen... maybe these links will help. Good luck, hope this all helps.
http://www.greatereader.org/?p=11791
http://www.jr.com/viewsonic/pe/VIW_VIEWPAD10S/
So, in essence the 10S is the same as the gTab with a few extra features at roughly the same price...
flashred said:
So from the hours of research that I have done, from what I understand (and correct me if i'm wrong) there are 3 tablets coming out from Viewsonic. . . The Viewpad 10, Viewpad 10s (European and Asian markets), and a Viewpad 10 Pro.
From what I have read, the 10 Pro will also be dual boot, Windows 7 and Android 2.2. The one thing that confuses me besides all of the mixed information out there, is that....
1) Android 2.2 will be native (dual boot).
2) Android 2.2 will "work within a VM" which is launched within Windows 7.
Has anyone else closely researched Viewsonic's new tablet lineup?
Thanks.
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I wouldn't go with the x86 tablet. Just about all current Android devices are ARM CPU based and ANY apps that make use of the native development environment just won't work on non-ARM CPUs. (Actually I'm guessing that most devs will restrict to ARMv7 anyways -> cortex-a8 & -a9 based systems only but these are the only ones worth buying anyways...)
I wonder why they kneecapped internal storage for the 10s? I read this a while back and IIRC it said 4GB at that time... About the only thing that I'd like from it is higher cap batt... be even better if it was 5k but...
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The 10S version of the viewpad has a tegra cpu just like the gtablet..
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No, Windows 7 wouldn't run on ARM.
dagbro said:
No, Windows 7 wouldn't run on ARM.
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That is correct, and also the reason why I would like to go with one of these Viewpads that can boot (or VM) Windows 7 and Android 2.2
I haven't posted much (so i'm restricted) on here otherwise I would add a few links to the demonstrations I have seen on the 'tube. If you do a search for Viewpad 10 pro, you will see Android being launched in a VM of sorts. It's very interesting to me.
I think ya'll are confusing your models so here's a breakdown to clear things up a little.
Viewpad 10 = Intel CPU with Windows and Android OS (dual-boot)
Viewpad 10 Pro = Intel CPU running Windows primarily with the capability of launching Android from a VM within Windows
Viewpad 10S = Tegra CPU running only Android OS
The OP is asking about the 10S not the other models that ya'll keep confusing into the mix. The 10S, like I said before, is basically a gTab with a few extra features but smaller internal storage for roughly the same price. I hope this clears things up a bit.
flipovich said:
I think ya'll are confusing your models so here's a breakdown to clear things up a little.
Viewpad 10 = Intel CPU with Windows and Android OS (dual-boot)
Viewpad 10 Pro = Intel CPU running Windows primarily with the capability of launching Android from a VM within Windows
Viewpad 10S = Tegra CPU running only Android OS
The OP is asking about the 10S not the other models that ya'll keep confusing into the mix. The 10S, like I said before, is basically a gTab with a few extra features but smaller internal storage for roughly the same price. I hope this clears things up a bit.
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Looking at the picture of the 10s leads me to believe the screen is no better than the gtablet. It has the same frame around it. And from the internal pictures/write-ups I've seen on the gtablet there has always been plenty of room left for them to simply "upgrade" it a little with 3G and GPS.
I did a lil research too. I saw videos of it at CES and the viewing angles looks the same as g tablet video I saw. My g tablet coming in soon but I dont know if I should refuse the shipment and wait for viewpad 10s.
So far 10s has
hdmi
2x usb port
glossy back.
buttons disappear on the front with return button near power on the side
2 models: 3g+GPS or Wifi only
g-tablet over 10s is
bigger battery
buttons
cheaper
The screen looks the same. The people did the viewpad 10s video didnt even mention anything about g-tablet or about the viewing angle. Anyone have info on this?
Glossy back is a down if you're like me and OCD about prints on your electronics.
G Tablet
I went and looked at one, and the screen is definitely a concern to me. Are there any versions of these that don't have the screen like that? Dark when you look at it from an angle top pointed away? I see its sort of backwards, and looks brighter when the top is pointed towards you. Very odd.
Guys, with the $50 off coupon today I had no choice but to get the Nook Color.
Can always gift it to family later
Thanks for your input, the discussion can continue!.
flashred said:
That is correct, and also the reason why I would like to go with one of these Viewpads that can boot (or VM) Windows 7 and Android 2.2
I haven't posted much (so i'm restricted) on here otherwise I would add a few links to the demonstrations I have seen on the 'tube. If you do a search for Viewpad 10 pro, you will see Android being launched in a VM of sorts. It's very interesting to me.
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Does viewpad 10s run vegacomb 3.2 build 9n good? Cheers.
Tomas.
So I'd like some help in figuring out how to get Windows 8 on the Galaxy Tablet 10.1...Where do begin, in order to make this happen?
It's very simple actually:
1) put the Windows 8 DVD into the galaxy tab
2) press ctrl-alt-delete
3) dunk your tablet in a lukewarm solution of flour, salt, baking soda, and milk
4) make up a raindance
5) do 30 seconds of research, including a simple search of the forums, before you post
You can actually skip the salt in #3. Usless step.
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Same question i have been seeing in the Galaxy Tab 7, re-posted many times xD
Why would you like to see windows on tablet? if you want just simply go buy the new samsung Tablet ( laptop) with windows inside it
k0sh said:
Same question i have been seeing in the Galaxy Tab 7, re-posted many times xD
Why would you like to see windows on tablet? if you want just simply go buy the new samsung Tablet ( laptop) with windows inside it
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That logic is retarded.
You could say the same thing about any development thread were people are porting roms/os's to non original devices.
The whole point of XDA is to push our devices to the limits, this sometimes means putting roms, operating systems and apps on our devices that were never designed for them.
@ OP
You will not see Win8 on non-windows devices until devs find a way to boot the ISO/build and also locate drivers for them. Once this happens you wont need to create topics like this as you will just need to look for a few seconds or use search to find topic.
SSD in the Galaxy
I would guess that the Samsung Windows 8 tablet and the Galaxy 10.1 would share some similarities within the chipset, which would probably mean windows 8 'may' already have quite a few drives for the tablet.
Is there a way to access the SSD drive on the Samsung Galaxy as a raw device rather than MTP?
Windows 8 on any current android tablet won't happen, there are only x86 and x86_64 builds out, so until Microsoft comes with an arm build, doesn't matter if you can boot an ISO since the tablet is not able to run x86 or x86_64 binaries
Thor Erik said:
Windows 8 on any current android tablet won't happen, there are only x86 and x86_64 builds out, so until Microsoft comes with an arm build, doesn't matter if you can boot an ISO since the tablet is not able to run x86 or x86_64 binaries
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Damn, I forgot, after you add the salt, but before you do the raindance, you have to create an ARM build of Windows 8. I always leave out an important step...
It seems you forgot that you need to use a Mac on Mars to do the Windows 8 build
Thor Erik said:
Windows 8 on any current android tablet won't happen, there are only x86 and x86_64 builds out, so until Microsoft comes with an arm build, doesn't matter if you can boot an ISO since the tablet is not able to run x86 or x86_64 binaries
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<serious>This is the key sticking point for now. Once Microsoft releases an ARM build for Win8, there may be a chance of getting it onto the SGT10.1.</serious>
Alternatively, if you can find a way of booting your Tab using a .iso stored on another Tab, whilst repeating the correct initiation spell 3 times backwards then it's not a difficult process.
Less likely. The nVidia chipset in our tablets (got the 8.9) is crap. It struggles with HC... let alone a windows OS...
Also, what people don't realize is even if Microsoft releases an ARM build of windows, it won't run their normal x86 apps either.
You'd be surprised how many apps use managed .net, those apps will run nicely(ish) on arm since you got a JIT in between the application layer and the kernel level
It will probably be more likely to get a windows 8 tab and attempt a dual install of Android. Android 1.6 I believe was possible, I did it on my NetBook but with no touchscreen it was pointless lol
Hi @ all,
it is funny to see how XDA people react on a simple question.
Simple question <-> a lot of know how and strange terms...
The little OP stays there and take the arms up to the head and says: ahhhhh
Everybody from us know how it is when the know how grows, more and more.
But please.... never forget where we all come from based on the first day with a mobile phone and XDA was online. We all are beginners, every day when the sun comes up.
BTW:
Question for the OP: why do you want to run windows on a tab? Because it is possible, or it is your favior to click on popups?
Thats a serious question.
NOTE:
In the past (long time go) we had have printers as screen. Oops, that was to far in the past.
I was really there. Oops, how old i am?
PM:
Android is a good and stable OS and i hope it takes over Windows once. Long life UNIX...
OK. I have only one question. Why it is posible to install win8 on ipad one and two and not on our tabs?
Strazzi said:
OK. I have only one question. Why it is posible to install win8 on ipad one and two and not on our tabs?
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You mean this? Its not actually running it, and look how sluggish that is.its just remote desktop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxTJ0Bzf9SA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Good lord, Remote desktop and installing are 2 different things../facepalm
You don't actually think he installed it on the iPad right? Then again I have ubuntu on 10.1, does that mean I installed it? :\
if you have an external HDD, how does it work with an android device like ss galaxy tab? does it recognize it? I don't have a tablet to try this. suppose I could try my phone, but it doesn't have a usb port and I don't have an adapter.
Try to use MacOSX...it's also LINUX based...TABUNTU re-writes the boot so that you see the familiar LINUX bootscreen,and something more,it recognizes our processor as x86,I know it's armv7 but That is possible and I am serious...
There has been some discussion, but none since the Consumer Preview came out about being able to get Windows on a tablet such as the Gtab which is a Tegra2 chipset.
Does anybody know if it is even possible to get Windows on the Gtab at any point without a specific bootloader for it? With Android being more open than Windows we can tinker and change it far more than we ever will with Windows so I am not so much as asking if it is being done as much as I am asking if it can be done. And then if so if anybody is even looking at doing it. I would love to take a Consumer Preview copy and try to install it on my Gtab just to see if it would work but I don't know enough about tablet technology to even start, desktop on the other hand I'll get working, but not with a tablet.
So after all this, if anybody is willing to assist in trying this I am will to test it out. I have 2 Gtabs and I am willing to put one up for testing, but I want to do the testing so I can learn if anybody is will to teach.
IMO Never
Firedog7881 said:
There has been some discussion, but none since the Consumer Preview came out about being able to get Windows on a tablet such as the Gtab which is a Tegra2 chipset.
Does anybody know if it is even possible to get Windows on the Gtab at any point without a specific bootloader for it? With Android being more open than Windows we can tinker and change it far more than we ever will with Windows so I am not so much as asking if it is being done as much as I am asking if it can be done. And then if so if anybody is even looking at doing it. I would love to take a Consumer Preview copy and try to install it on my Gtab just to see if it would work but I don't know enough about tablet technology to even start, desktop on the other hand I'll get working, but not with a tablet.
So after all this, if anybody is willing to assist in trying this I am will to test it out. I have 2 Gtabs and I am willing to put one up for testing, but I want to do the testing so I can learn if anybody is will to teach.
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gTab doesn't come close to meeting the min hardware specs that Microsoft has published for Win8 tablets (screen res, hardware buttons, storage space, UEFI support, Bluetooth 4.0, 720P camera, magnetometer & gyro, etc). It is doubtful that any modern Windows version will ever run in the 512M of memory the gTab has. In addition, MS has also said that Win8 Tablet will be tied to hardware (you won't be able to go to your local PC store & pick up a copy to install on any old tablet). The vendors will tie Win8 to their specific hardware & that is the only way you will be able to get it.
FYI, the Win8 tabs that were given out at BUILD had an Intel core i5 processor, 4G ram, 64G SSD, 1366x768 display, Wireless N, & 3G.
With android, devs have access to os source code that helps them to be able to modify android to the varying hardware. In the case of Win8, I don't believe you will ever see MS release source code which would make the task of porting to an unsupported devices next to impossible. Just my 2 cents.
Al
As the title suggests, from the specs the device is given. This should be possible. Since the tablet is just now coming out, there are few forums for it. Even the Nvidia forums don't have a section for it, let alone XDA's forum. Which is why this is under modding.
The Nvidia Shield Tablet meets the Windows 8.1 requirements and uses intel chipsets. It's not a matter of if as much as when. Which is my request to the devs. Make the tablet either dual boot windows 8.1 and android or a full install of windows 8.1
Best of luck to you all.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJSWe6Ane5A
At 2:39, you get the kernal build number that comes in the stock tablet. I know very little about kernals so I leave that to your discretion.
If anyone has any comments or relevant information to help developers with pushing a windows build into the tablet please feel free speak.
Are there any forums on xda for the Shield Tablet? Its running android, and its most likely rootable.
Sincereless said:
[Update]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJSWe6Ane5A
At 2:39, you get the kernal build number that comes in the stock tablet. I know very little about kernals so I leave that to your discretion.
If anyone has any comments or relevant information to help developers with pushing a windows build into the tablet please feel free speak.
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Anybody try to root this with towelroot?
joshuabg said:
Anybody try to root this with towelroot?
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Yes i just got mine and rooted it with towelroot. works great, got xposed framwork up and running.
Wait wait wait. The Shield Tablet has Intel chipsets? So I can run Desktop mode and say install Steam and play lower end games if this became feasible? I'm almost positive already that Nvidia said that the Tegra K1 has DirectX capabilities, I would LOVE to play games like Halo PC and other lower end titles on this tablet! Especially if someone made drivers that recognized the Shield Controller as an XInput device!
Which is why I started this thread. To see what the devs have to say about this. If there is any chance XDA devs can do this, it will almost certainly change the scope of gaming at home and on the go.
On a side note, there are already videos of the tegra K1 running the dolphin emulator. While previous K1 devices could only run games to a certain extent, over at the Dolphin forums the devs there are already discussing full speed emulation with almost all Gamecube games and some Wii games. For Dolphin it comes down to CPU strength since both consoles only run on 1 core. While the tablet is quad core, the software can't connect to the other 2 cores due to information process paths which leaves 1 core(They managed 2 cores as an option, not sure how) The Dolphin emu needs to atleast 2 times that to run gamecube(485mhz) games and 4 times for the Wii(800 mhz). The Nvidia Tablet is a 2ghz. Which just isn't strong enough to run wii games. So getting Windows ported over is important for overclocking the cpu efficiently to a level Wii games can handle, and pc games a bonus.
Nope, nope, nope.
Hey, guys. I just randomly ran across this thread, and I wanted to let you know that the reason why nobody has ported Windows 8 to the nVidia shield tablet is that it uses an ARM processor. Yes, this processor is made by Intel, but it is an Intel MOBILE processor, not a full x86 architecture processor.
So, although it may take some reading for you to understand the basic incompatibilities here, I will tell you that running Windows 8 on this thing is not possible in any universe. The only Windows OS which will run on an ARM processor is Windows RT. But everyone hates Windows RT, and not a single Windows RT device has been made since 2013.
However, on a happier note, Android 5.0 Lollipop does add support for x86 and 64bit processors. So, a future in which we have dual booting Windows 8 / Android tablets is not unfeasible.