Is there a possible way to completely terminate app on home button press? Because everytime my friends use my phone they didn't realize there is a back button.. So they just presses the home button like they were using idevices.. This would hog the memory with the running apps and i have to constantly close them everytime they finish playing..
ICS does have this feature but im running GB atm..
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Doesn't matter. Android automatically manages those tasks when they're sent to the background. You're supposed to use the home button like that. Gingerbread is very efficient at handling tasks and RAM. Hence no need for any task killers/manual killing of apps. It's unnecessary. They'll automatically be purged from memory when a freshly opened app needs to take their place in memory to run. I know it feels satisfying to always kill every running app (coming from Symbian S60) and think that you have all the RAM free, but its pointless and of no use.
RAM is supposed to be full. Unused/empty RAM is considered to be wasted RAM. The RAM will be managed completely by the Android system without user intervention. The only time you'll ever need to manually kill an app is if it's misbehaving and causing stability issues.
So continue using the home button like that, there's nothing wrong.
Take a look at this excellent article to get a clear idea -
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
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So it's best to left the apps running?
But these apps are different to services right? I mean, when it's running in the background it's counted as inactive? Because my friend's SGS2 had plethora of active services running and it drains battery like crazy..
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Only concern I can see is if an app isnt killed and is still active in the background, it could use cpu/battery power, but if it's Instantly killed it won't anymore.
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Gorjess said:
So it's best to left the apps running?
But these apps are different to services right? I mean, when it's running in the background it's counted as inactive? Because my friend's SGS2 had plethora of active services running and it drains battery like crazy..
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They will only drain power if the apps are requesting CPU which any good app shouldn't. RAM needs power but I believe its being powered the same whether full or partially full and I imagine RAM requires little power. There are some that will drain battery if left running, and those are the ones that you may have to kill but it shouldn't be the norm.
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Hi everybody, as I have updated my phone to 2.1, I find it a bit laggy. I'm asking for your help to improve performances and get it smoothier.
Can anyone tell me which are the best settings for Autokiller to gain speed and improve battery life? I didn't found something obvious and really need to get it smoothier.
Regards.
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Also on this - I use TaskPanel - whenever I do a Kill All - it kills the SIM Card and restarts GSM services.
Anyone else seen this?
Otherwise I have the usual set to AutoKill - ignoring anything to do with Clocks, SetCPU, Widgets & Live Wallpaper.
Seems to kill a good 100+mb every time I press it.
edit: hope thats not a hijack
Maybe should you add stckappservice + datatrafixexcepmms + bluetoothheadsetservice processes to your ignore list. (Backupandrestore too)
OK so with ATK I'm always around 160 mb free Memory and many processes come back wathever I do : useragentprovider + custmizationprovider, etc...
Have someone a list of processes which are safe to uninstall and some settings for Autokiller? I really need to get faster and than it was on 1.6.
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I've not bothered installing one on 2.1 and found no reason to. The battery life has been significantly increased and although it started off a bit laggy it's smoothed it's self out now.
The following tools really help:
System Panel - monitor what drains battery/cpu time and then decide to throw that app out.
SetCPU - Just make sure to not restrain the cpu too much in hopes of saving that last percent of batt-life, it makes the system lag (ie. lowest while screen off makes the lock-screen/call-screen when turning it back on lag)
Autostarts - control what starts up on events (ie. Startup, battery power level change, etc) helps keep a lot of stuff from unnecessarily checking whether they need to do something.
AutoKiller Memory - Set a Ram-Profile in there. It'll kill tasks that aren't visible/high priority in case the ram gets too low/some other app needs the ram.
Good advise would also be: Don't use Task-Killers whenever you can avoid it. If an app drains too much battery: look for an alternative.
Killing all kinds of apps can do one of two things: either they start up automatically again or they start up on demand again. In both cases a well-coded app that doesn't suck batteries dry will use more batt re-starting and loading everything back into ram than it would if it just stayed there idle. And it'll remove lag by a lot.
Ram is getting powered either way. Use the ram you have. Mine's running constantly below 60MiB of free Ram (usually around 50) and it doesn't experience any lag.
What you also might want to look into is removing useless stuff that SE installed that'll just suck cpu-cycles every chance it gets.
Mine is silky smooth, but I have removed all crapware like moxier, quadrapop, all the Asian language keyboards, wisepilot. Etc. Now its very lean and fast
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I think they were more essential in older versions such as 1.6.
Advanced Task Manager.
Kill process every 30 min (differt setting possible)
U can choose task that don't want kill (exclude list)
Works perfectly.
I confirm lag on my 2.1 Xperia. Better some minutes after boot. Why?
Only a Q. Is it just possible to root the 2.1 version?
Tnks
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Only a Q. Is it just possible to root the 2.1 version?
Tnks
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Yes, read the sticky in the development section.
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Mine is silky smooth, but I have removed all crapware like moxier, quadrapop, all the Asian language keyboards, wisepilot. Etc. Now its very lean and fast
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How you do that, is it 2.1 rooted?
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How you do that, is it 2.1 rooted?
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Yes you will need to root to remove some apps.
i have root 2.1 but how do i remove apps?
can i do it on the phone or do i need to use adb on my pc?
I don't know why mine is laggy : I've uninstalled useless apps, I've tried many settings for Autokiller, and I don't kill processes which always come back.
I've noticed that my apps are not laggy, only Homescreen. I use ADW Launcher, anyone else noticed its Homescreen latency?
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i have root 2.1 but how do i remove apps?
can i do it on the phone or do i need to use adb on my pc?
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You need to use titaniumbackup. Ensure you to enable chuck norris mod if you want to remove pre~loaded apps.
Edit : be careful, many apps mustn't be removed.
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thanks for the explination
Edit : all work fine now. I just set setcpu minimum scale to 384 and max to 752.It doesn't lag anymore. I'm gonna analyze battery life with these settings and report them.
Regards.
I heard it was bad using a task killer. is it true? If it is, what cpu watcher should i use. Is watchdog an option. Let me know thanks. I heard it doesnt work for froyo, the task killers.
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Yes, I heard and read that in this Forum. I visited the other Forum and they write same issue.
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I heard it was bad using a task killer. is it true? If it is, what cpu watcher should i use. Is watchdog an option. Let me know thanks. I heard it doesnt work for froyo, the task killers.
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Then whats the best way to manage cpu?
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let android do that.
linux is different from windows. period
If three processes are killing memory, kill 3 processes! Advanced task killer and Is monitor work fine for me
Sometimes your better off just ignoring arguments. Linux has PS and TOP to view processing. Kill lid is as Unix as there is O hack away
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let android do that.
linux is different from windows. period
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Why? If things are dickies, stop them and remove if persistent as problems.. they are safe to kill all day
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A quick overview for you..
Android, in theory, manages it's memory allocation under the premise that free memory is wasted memory.. so it fills the memory up with apps that you use, to a point, keeping a small amount free for caching etc.. when you launch something that will take your memory allocation over the preset limit then it will drop something out of memory that hasn't been used in a while..
However.. there are occasions where Android 2.1 doesn't seem to manage things perfectly and the x10 slows down.. so to remedy this you can kill a few "user initiated" tasks..
This is where many people get into problems.. They download something like ATK and set it to aggressive autokill and then it kills system apps which the system either needs (and so you get operational problems with the phone) or it restarts them.. ATK kills them again.. the system restarts them... etc.. (using the battery more quickly).
There are also some apps which are badly written and don't sleep when "minimised" wasting battery.
So the solution is to get a task killer of some sort and use it manually when you need it.. make sure you set "persistent" apps and system apps to ignore, then you should just be left with stuff you've installed.. and you can kill those all day long!
im_icemen is right, you need a good task killer. Personally I use ES Task Manager, if you set a good ignore list you can use its widget which makes everything faster
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I use spare parts and set killing to aggressive
I use ATK but with no Auto-Kill at all. Every now and then I find an app move a little slowly and manually kill a couple of tasks then, and I find YX Player doesn't always drop out of memory after playing a video and stops the lockscreen so I kill it too.
But its not often I have to use it.
Some say task killers cause harm to anDroiD. But personally i feel task killers are must.. itsm quickly kills tasks, frees up memories and boosts up system..
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''Autokiller memory optimizer'' does the trick for me. Its not a task killer in the usual sense. It just allows you to adjust memory thresholds. I set it to moderate and i have no problems with speed or anything like that.
Edit: The reason why some say task killers are bad is due to the possibility of battery drain. Depending on how they are configured the rate of task killing can rapidly deplete the battery.
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I don't know what the deal is but this is continually happening to me and across different roms. I am using the built in "Task Manager" feature of touchwiz to monitor what processes are using my cpu. I am finding that some things are sitting there using between 15-45% cpu at all times even when in the background. For example:
Today right before my lunch I checked the task manager, I stared at it for 2 minutes to make sure there was no cpu activity, when I saw that everything looked to me normal I clocked out for my lunch and left work. By the time I was done eating (my phone had been in my pocket the entire time by the way) I checked my phone to see what time it was and noticed that I had lost about 12% battery life in 30 minutes. I immediately opened task manager and found that Browser was in the red and running at a constant 45% cpu usage. I immediately exited the browser. I find that this is happening with other apps as well.
What could be causing this? And more importantly will ICS fix it?
Interesting. Browsers are always killing it for me.
For example I use Dolphin Browser. The ad-dons like Google services and tab switcher kill battery like a mother and also put a ton of CPU stress on the processor.
Only thing I can say is make sure to close out all apps because apps running in a background may run rampant.
Yeah that shouldn't be happening.
I do hope a feature is implemented into android to have a 'do not run list' unless opened by user.
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Interesting. Browsers are always killing it for me.
For example I use Dolphin Browser. The ad-dons like Google services and tab switcher kill battery like a mother and also put a ton of CPU stress on the processor.
Only thing I can say is make sure to close out all apps because apps running in a background may run rampant.
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What I've resorted to is closing all web pages when im done and backing out of apps that I know have started to run out of control sometimes. There has to be an easier way though.
What about times like today when im researching something and have to run out for lunch and just throw my phone in my pocket with 8 browser windows open? I have to go back and find all the pages because I had to close them all out in fear that my battery would drain?
There has to be a better way. I switched to android bevaseu of the horrible memory management apple has. I would hate to leave android beacuse it couldnt control backgournd processes and let my battery be destroyed.
Memory management is good on these phones. Bad memory management causes slow downs.
What you're looking for is app management. I know some may jump on the me for saying anything about a task manager, but you might want to try one out.
Though I'd only recommend using it for the programs you're having issues with. Set it to 'only' kill the problem apps. Not any other apps or system processes.
What browser are you using? If it's happened across multiple roms, it may be an issue with that browser. Better to treat the problem (the app) than the symptom (battery getting drained)
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Memory management is good on these phones. Bad memory management causes slow downs.
What you're looking for is app management. I know some may jump on the me for saying anything about a task manager, but you might want to try one out.
Though I'd only recommend using it for the programs you're having issues with. Set it to 'only' kill the problem apps. Not any other apps or system processes.
What browser are you using? If it's happened across multiple roms, it may be an issue with that browser. Better to treat the problem (the app) than the symptom (battery getting drained)
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Well see its happening with the same apps across different roms so I know its either an android problem or a touchwiz problem. Can you reccomend any apps that will auto close apps if they start using too much CPU or an app that would allow auto kill on exit? Thank you.
There's not any apps like that, at least yet. Task killers kill whether the app is using alot of cpu or not.
What apps are causing you issues? Have you compared what apps you have on your phone to entropy512's thread about known battery drainers?
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There's not any apps like that, at least yet. Task killers kill whether the app is using alot of cpu or not.
What apps are causing you issues? Have you compared what apps you have on your phone to entropy512's thread about known battery drainers?
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I remember seeing that thread somewhere before but don't know how to find it again.
Can you reccomend any task killer apps?
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My favorite with my captivate was auto task manger. When you first open it, it tries to get you to update but the update is garbage.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mizusoft.autotaskmanager&hl=en
I haven't used one with my sgs II. Hasn't needed one so far.
Here's a link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030
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My favorite with my captivate was auto task manger. When you first open it, it tries to get you to update but the update is garbage.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mizusoft.autotaskmanager&hl=en
I haven't used one with my sgs II. Hasn't needed one so far.
Here's a link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030
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Thank you, I will read through this.
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I find it interesting that there is no exit button for the in-built browser in Android (at least in 3.2 on my Samsung Epic). What could be the reasoning behind leaving it out? The browser uses a lot of RAM, and if I want to exit out of it, I have to either keep going back to the starting page of the browsing session, or close it from Task Manager. I am perplexed. Could someone comment on this?
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I find it interesting that there is no exit button for the in-built browser in Android (at least in 3.2 on my Samsung Epic). What could be the reasoning behind leaving it out? The browser uses a lot of RAM, and if I want to exit out of it, I have to either keep going back to the starting page of the browsing session, or close it from Task Manager. I am perplexed. Could someone comment on this?
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They probably feel strongly enough that Android is capable of handling RAM on its own. Which is why they look so down upon task managers. It's better to just press the home button, let the OS do what it will with free RAM and when you open it again, it'll either snap right back or load up the page you were on again.
This isn't Windows. There aren't exit buttons in apps for a reason. People more qualified than both you and me discourage task killers because they know how Android works.
Android is built to manage ram on its own, so let it do its job. Don't worry about what's using ram, spend that time enjoying your device. I promise that if you need the ram for something else then it'll be there.
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In a perfect world I would agree but who knows if someones crappy code (apps aside from internet) has a leak and keeps loading itself and draining the battery. I have read many args against task killers but when I use one my phone lasts longer. Placebo effect maybe but hell it's free and makes me think I'm in control ;-)
If you read my post again, you will notice I never mentioned task killers; instead, I was referring to the in-built Task Manager (hence "T" and "M" are capital), which I use to kill the in-built browser.
From experience, the method of shuffling ROM when needed, causes battery drain, and the more RAM that is occupied (with apps not closed completely) the more battery it takes to refresh the RAM. So, it is much better to have more empty RAM, from what I understand.
I use Dolphin HD and my battery is fine, but I just can't seem to make peace with the fact that the browser occupies 70 MB in the RAM and there is no exit button. I hope my question is clear now.
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If you read my post again, you will notice I never mentioned task killers; instead, I was referring to the in-built Task Manager (hence "T" and "M" are capital), which I use to kill the in-built browser.
From experience, the method of shuffling ROM when needed, causes battery drain, and the more RAM that is occupied (with apps not closed completely) the more battery it takes to refresh the RAM. So, it is much better to have more empty RAM, from what I understand.
I use Dolphin HD but I just can't seem to make peace with the fact that the browser occupies 70 MB in the RAM and there is no exit button.
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Unused RAM is wasted RAM so no free RAM is not better.
You can exit dolphin by pressing menu and then exit...
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Again, my posts are only about the native browser, not any other browser. I mentioned Dolphin merely to convey I don't use the native browser but just wondering about the exit button for the native browser.
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It's more easy to newbies like to having such an exit button for every applications installed in my android. Hoping there is some developemnet on this issue later.
Hi, I have a 4.2 and my RAM always gets used up. I try my best to close background programs, but yet I still have barely any left. I always have to force restart the player. This problem started happening out of nowhere. I didn't install any apps or anything either... I've been using ADW Launcher EX and ics keyboard for a while. Any help?
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You could try Go launcher EX. That seems to manage my RAM better. Also, if you are not already doing so, turn off your Wi-Fi when you are not using it or it is not around. Also once you turn off your Wi-Fi, try rebooting, that usually will stop any apps that stay open and require Wi-Fi in various ways that somehow are still active. You could also try a custom kernel, I use Terrasilent and my 64 emulator run smoother and I seem to have more RAM. On top of that to you could try a custom governor, which controls your RAM. Just stay away from task manager apps, they add to the problem instead of solving it.
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actually, its not bad that your ram is filled up.
Consider this -- Jerry did/said/thought something that made his wife mad (yes, she can read my thoughts), so he bought flowers from the 7-Eleven and wants to make a mix CD of her favorite Rod Stewart songs to give to her and get his ass out of the doghouse. It could happen. Consider which is more efficient:
Burn 20 songs to a CD, give to wife, and smile while she plays it.
Burn one song to a CD, let her listen, then erase it and burn the next song.
That's what your phone (or tablet) has to consider. Loading Google Talk to RAM once, and having it there to open almost instantly is far better than loading it each and every time you want to use it. So why kill it off? It's not like you'll never use it again, and nothing else is going to use that RAM while it's sitting empty -- at that point, it's wasted space. You will also use a lot more battery power re-opening Talk every time you get a message than you will by having the zeros held as ones on your RAM. The folks who built Android really did know what they were doing when it comes to memory management. After the parameters are set, and the amount the OS can use to "swap" for it's normal operations, the rest is simply wasted if we're not using it. What is cached in RAM is just sitting there, not using any CPU cycles, but ready to get pushed to the front and appear on the screen as fast as it can, and not use the extra battery needed to start it up from disk again.
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Thanks! I'm just waiting for software to be developed so I can get a faster device.
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