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Hello fellow members.
As a mod to this Forum, i have opened this thread to address issues faced by the users related to this sub-forum. No problems related to the device will be entertained in this thread.
all users are requested to put forward their issues in this thread and i shall look into it and do the best to put away with ne such issues.
cheers.
Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
cvchetan said:
Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
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Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
McKebapp said:
Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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What about just making the most useful one sticky, clean the waste out of them and close them?
So this ones would be the reference.
Within first post could a link to a discussion thread.
This behavior works very well over at gsmfreeboard.com .
My Idea: put all good guides into an own sub category "Guides".
These Guides should be closed. If there are any increments, these Posts / Threads could be opened for a short period of time.
They can be edited by the thread starter / poster anyways.
Then there should be a second sub category "Discussion on Guides", where common users can ask everything, regarding the posts.
I have a suggestion for a new sub-forum. Something along the lines of "X10 Café" where the discussions could be informal for more general ramblings about the X10. I hesitate to call it off-topic since the topic would be the X10. Think of it like a free-for-all with general decency rules, no flaming, no personal attacks but an otherwise open place where we can air grievances or just toss around ideas.
That way general can be more about news, events and so on while the speculation and what have you goes on in the Café. It would make keeping up with the forum a lot easier since it should be a place that you don't really "have" to read.
well i like both the ideas..
lemme consult with my fellow mods for futher actions..
Maybe you can stick a link to the Wiki X10 Page and edit this Wiki page to add links to useful posts in the forum ?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SonyEricssonXperiaX10
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
I started reading on XDA since 2 weeks when I bought my first droid phone (the X10 obviously ). This is my first post though because for every question I had i was able to find the answer in the forums.
The real PITA was when I started reading the rooting and custom rom dev threads where seriously 80% of the posters are either off topic, flaming or simply asking questions that already have been asked AND answered earlier.
As previous poster said I wouldn't mind that mods would apply temp bans to flamers and off topic poster or even perm bans when people continue to do so.
I did read in another x10 subforum that there was a X10 mod appointed (dunno if there are more than one), but unfortunately haven't seen much of that person specifically on those rooting and rom dev threads where they would have been most wanted.
It is nice to see that you are now taking the time to get something constructive going on. Regarding current topics it probably will be too much effort cleaning those up so it might be better to simply close those topics, start new ones and apply some stricter modding on those (including the temp/perm bans).
I sure would love to see the x10 devs coming back to these forums to discuss there progress on the X10 rooting for example, but they won't unless something is really done against these unnecesarry flaming/off topic/unnecesarry questions posts.
Regards,
Stephan
PS as soon as I have something in my paypal account again I will donate something towards this forum for the good work you guys are doing
we are too many, so dont blame anybody... things are like they're
FRiKiNFRoG said:
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
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+1 here also i feel that you are talking about me
guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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thanks allot you are the only one here that understands me right . may be i cannot say what i really mean with writing as english is not my main language , but they don't give me any chance . sorry for going out of topic but i wanted to illustrate my point . good luck cleaning
I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as I only read threads and rarely look at who posted. My point wasn't to accuse anyone. But warning to off topics and complainers should be sent, failing to change their behavior should lead to more action.
Yes these are more suggestions than issues we have, but I think most of the people know what are the issues. The main one being 'talking in a thread about anything'. Most of the useful threads have a self-explanatory title, reading the original post usually tells a user where he wants to go with the thread he created.
I know some might 'sound' harsh or rude but personally I don't really mind that as long as it does not become a flaming war/troll feeding discussion. But keeping a discussion on the right direction is probably the most important thing in such a huge forum. Then the search tool comes handy when the discussion is going one way.
Warning/temp/perm banning. Sending public message to people saying 'please stop' is not going to work. A temp ban with a nice message included stating what he did wrong should be effective in most cases. Failing to comply after 'x' warnings/temp ban, bye bye we do not need you (They can still read threads, they'll just stop posting what devs don't need).
I'm not pissed or angry at anyone, I'm just one of those people who thinks that moderation is important. The easier/cleaner it is for everyone, the faster we'll get the good news/progress. This site is one big community, let's make it look good/the best there is.
well.. right now m cleaning up threads and rest assured that all off topic posts, flames wars will be stopped from now on..
lets get ourselves together and make this forum productive..
cheers
Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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you are right i see this usless replies not only here but on all forums ,why don't he just tell the answer ,new members don't think about search they are still new when i was juinor member i faced allot of these replies . if any body don't want to help just don't reply
Pointing the right direction if you can yes, not answering like an a**hole to a newcomer yes. But there is nothing wrong about telling them politely to search, we might know there is a thread on a subject, but pointing them to the right direction is also searching for them in some/most cases. All forums work pretty much the same, joining one means learning how to use it/navigate it.
Search is the biggest tool there is on the internet. This is how you find what you want, this is how you find answers. Internet is full of it. The faster you start, the more stuff you'll get out of it.
BTW: Answering like a a**hole to a newcomer is also worthy of warnings and ban. It's part of the issue too.
I'm all about common sense.
You can generally class users in 3 categories. The devs, the supporters, and the noobs. The devs are resourceful enough to not care, because they'll always find a way to get things done. The supporters have kinda a clue about what's going on, and are always trying to enforce rules to keep the noobs in order. The noobs almost always assume a hierarchy of power, try to suck up, seek attention, and post ridiculous amounts of crap to get out of trouble/sound smart/kiss ass.
So understanding this dynamics, devs really don't care about flaming and junk, they just want to get product out. Supporters need to learn to refrain, not feed the troll and stop thinking they are better than noobs. Noobs usually just chat amongst themselves if left alone, and are mostly harmless.
The only thing that need to happen here is a set of clear guidelines for noobs to read about when to post, where to post, and when not to post. Also, clean up the place from its state now so people don't get the idea that it's okay to post crap. Maybe a reminder (after submission of a post) for users with low post count to remind them useless junk are indeed useless and bin-worthy.
How is the NAND version coming along?
Anybody know the ETA?
it is coming - midnight release is expected be the first to get it
lock is required here i think
praveenkv1988 said:
How is the NAND version coming along?
Anybody know the ETA?
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If you want to know how it's coming along follow Cotulla on Twitter or IRC: http://twitter.com/cotullacode
The ETA is only known by Cotulla and his team, so don't bother asking here
Im sorry but you deserve every bit of flaming that will come from this thread.
I guess your BLIND! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732160
oh man another thread about NAND... SEARCH BEFORE U POST ANNYYTHING I MEAN ANYTHING..
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im sorry but you deserve every bit of flaming that will come from this thread.
I guess your blind! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732160
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stop being such a fag, he only asked a question. Im sick of people stuck up cortulla's a5s. Every one stop brown noseing, it makes me cringe.
Dont answer a post if your going to ***** about everything the poster ups.
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stop being such a fag, he only asked a question. Im sick of people stuck up cortulla's a5s. Every one stop brown noseing, it makes me cringe.
Dont answer a post if your going to ***** about everything the poster ups.
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Fag? I can tell your 12 years old acting like you know what your doing. I never once said a FU##King work about cotulla, I've never spoke a word to him in my life. Posts like these are pointless no matter how you look at them, pure laziness. So quit trying to be a hero, its past your bed time.
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oh man another thread about NAND... SEARCH BEFORE U POST ANNYYTHING I MEAN ANYTHING..
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Who the feck are you? too many jumped up moderator wannabes, if the mods dont like it they will delete or tell the OP. Has the one line of posting text changed your life so much you needed to post that? if it has, i suggest you get a job or some mates!
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Fag? I can tell your 12 years old acting like you know what your doing. I never once said a FU##King work about cotulla. Posts like these are pointless no matter how you look at them, pure laziness. So quit trying to be a hero, its past your bed time.
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Past my bedtime? 11am? its people like you who have nothing else to do apart from whine about every post someone does. Get a life and ignore it, or are you the internets protector?
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Past my bedtime? 11am? its people like you who have nothing else to do apart from whine about every post someone does. Get a life and ignore it, or are you the internets protector?
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At the risk of sounding like a "jumped up moderator wannabe", may I suggest a little bedtime reading for you......
Now please can we stop the flamewars? Here's some more guidance for all of you:
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.5 New Members: Treat new members the way you would have liked to have been treated when you were a new member. Provide the new members with guidance, advice and instruction always with respect and courtesy.
There, now be nice to eachother and tell the kid that it's not appropriate to start this thread and that he has to search. The Mod's can decide whether or not to close this thread, but never resort to flaming dudes
come on though its everyday we see this....
and really do we need it like ive said have a thread and update it everyday but lock it so no one can add to it. just giving the link to his twitter on something this will save some much time in peoples lifes flaming and slagging off other members have the title "NAND IS COMING READ ABOUT IT HERE" JOB DONE
Sorry but when i was a junior member i didn't spam whole of xda with useless posts
I did my research before i posted anything sometimes even ending up looking for hours for one stupid thing.
Its not a socializing website its a mobile development related forum. There is an after hours section in here for that. Also several threads concerned discussion of NAND and android development are present as well as a thread used for Q&A regarding both matters mentioned.
Theres tons of threads like this cause of posters like OP and its just spam. And it seems no matter how many people write answers like these they never bloody get it that there's a search button about 3/4 from the bottom on the right side of the screen.
One the matter of fact its a bit silly and unobservant not to actually be able to see all these threads cause they pop up like mushrooms after rain
Thread closed.
Don't flame.
OP, read rules regarding search before posting please. Don't ask for eta when it's documented to be in progress.
I have been wondering why this forum's DEV section accommodated so much spam.
I found out that this forum has NO MODERATOR. So I think we will have to self-moderate ourselves. So till we get one...
CAN WE PLEASE:
Not spam the dev threads.
--> No need to say thanks via post (just hit the button).
--> Don't post bugs which have already been posted by like 10 people. This does not work and that does not work. (Read up first and then decide)
--> Posts such as your work is bull****. It broke my phone.
--> Don't ask for ETAs.
--> Don't ask for how-tos (Just read up/search and you are bound to find it)
And senior members:
--> Please don't reply to "help request" posts in DEV threads. It encourages more people to simply request help in DEV threads and makes them tardy and lazy.
This sounds extreme but this is the only way to clean up the DEV section till we have a mod who can delete silly posts.
Feel free to add more.
I really appreciate what point you like to put here,. Believe me mate some people from this forum including me try to do this but no one is bother to think about it..
I see your point and I agree with questions that have been posted many times and in case there is already a thread about it on the front page of the forum. But I also think that people here are way too rude to newbies and frighten them off.
This is a HUGE community, with thousands and thousands of threads. Even if you use the search option, you don't always find the answer (even in the case that it has been posted before), and you kinda have to ask.
All I'm saying is that there has to be a balance.
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I see your point and I agree with questions that have been posted many times and in case there is already a thread about it on the front page of the forum. But I also think that people here are way too rude to newbies and frighten them off.
This is a HUGE community, with thousands and thousands of threads. Even if you use the search option, you don't always find the answer (even in the case that it has been posted before), and you kinda have to ask.
All I'm saying is that there has to be a balance.
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I partially agree with you. Newbies are getting some harsh treatment here but it doesn't mean that the others are behaving rude to them. I can see that most of the newbies are just posting that their phone is dead/battery drain/baseband issue/you name it even though there are lot of posts on these already with most of the issues resolved. You're right about the thoudands of threads here but a Google search is powerful enough to bring up the correct thread.
And many people asking for ETA's surely fires up some seniors to vent out their anger. The DEVs here have a life and job of their own and they are contributing to this community without any monetary obligations. We should be thankful to them instead of cribbing about already-found-bugs and battery drain.
And I totally agree with you on the last point, there should be a balance.
This is an humble request to the mods to please clean up the sticky threads in the dev forum.... there are just way too many and most of them answering the same questions...
In fact the other forums have the same problem so please take a sec or a minute or an hour but please clean that up
I feel like this has been posted before. Has it?
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I feel like this has been posted before. Has it?
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idk... may be if we sticky it people will know
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idk... may be if we sticky it people will know
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Haha,
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It has definitely been posted before but I think the thread was deleted... Or native it just died out and got buried. I'm not completely sure.
Sent by my Supercharged dual core from the 3rd Dimension
Going to get banned for this; there are some power tripping, terrible, over zealous moderators on xda. They don't clean the threads and people needing a delete/ban when they should, and delete too many that they shouldn't. As far as I am concerned just about anything in a general forum is fair game and anything to do with Android, or xda definitely is. For a community that exists to spread freedom of information, freedom of speech, and open source there are a few mods that silence anything that is criticism of a mod, senior member, or xda. It is really oppressive.
/rant off
The stickies are way over zealous. They are redundant in many cases, and obtrusive. There should be stickies of same or similar stickies combined and organized and the rest deleted. There are people that put hard work into making an organized thread that is a map and place for all other important threads and guides that aren't stickied. That type of thread has now been rendered worthless.
Do I think I could do a better job? Um, yes in nearly every case God yes. In some instances no. We have a few good mods that put a lot of time and effort into moderating, organizing, and keeping the peace [only where absolutely necessary], but sorry most of the mods are worthless. They don't do their job, and when they do, they either suck at it or just don't do it. I know how much time and work it takes to manage a large community, I have done it. Some mods just aren't any good though.
Let the flames begin!
bumpity bump
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1326221
You know, you could always PM them and ask about it. That may be a little bit more effective than creating a thread that is most likely going to be missed.
Over the past month, Divine_Madcat and myself have seen a steady increase of new users join our forums. While this is a good thing, they all seem to suffer from the same thing... they cant read.
D_M and myself are constantly tending to reported posts (thank you BTW for those of you that do report posts to grab our attention to something that needs attending to) and threads. We seem to accumulate a lot of new threads which are basically questions like "How do I root my phone" or "I flashed 4.0.3 and now I cant make phone calls" or "How do I flash back to Stock?" which could have all been answers if two minutes were taken to look at the sticky threads...
We are in the process of trying to remedy this and have a few ideas up our sleeves. When more develops on this, we will let all of you know.
Speaking of Sticky threads, those are about to get a facelift too. Instead of having a huge plethora of sticky threads, we only need a few. Expect some new sticky threads to go up that encompasses the same information that is already there... it will now just be easier to see, refer to and be in one place.
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Speaking of Sticky threads, those are about to get a facelift too. Instead of having a huge plethora of sticky threads, we only need a few. Expect some new sticky threads to go up that encompasses the same information that is already there... it will now just be easier to see, refer to and be in one place.
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Good to hear, I always thought we had way too many stickies that just confuses people.
I think there should be a test to verify that you can read and use the search function before you are allowed to post. And a probationary period where if a mod catches you asking a stupid question, you get sent back to the tutorial.
Though to be accurate, like my old sergeant used to say, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people who ask questions".
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Though to be accurate, like my old sergeant used to say, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people who ask questions".
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LOL....i love this.
we have a quote on our wall at the office:
'You can't fix stupid'
It would be great if new users couldn't post for a month. They would then be forced to search for the answers they need.
As I said, we have a few options we are throwing around... determining on which ones are actually possible and can be done on XDA is still being planned out. However, something should come out of it that will help with this issue.
Yeah, the idiots that CAN'T EVEN READ THE DAMN STICKIES and then whine about why they were attacked for NOT READING THE DAMN STICKIES are frustrating.
There is, across the Internet, at least one piece of forum etiquette that is almost universal:
READ ALL STICKY THREADS BEFORE POSTING. Why can't users learn this?
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There is, across the Internet, at least one piece of forum etiquette that is almost universal:
READ ALL STICKY THREADS BEFORE POSTING. Why can't users learn this?
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We're going to try and beat that into Users who have 10 posts or less on one way or another.
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Yeah, the idiots that CAN'T EVEN READ THE DAMN STICKIES and then whine about why they were attacked for NOT READING THE DAMN STICKIES are frustrating.
There is, across the Internet, at least one piece of forum etiquette that is almost universal:
READ ALL STICKY THREADS BEFORE POSTING. Why can't users learn this?
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stop being mean and just give me a link that tells me the answer i am looking for....psha
First offense, they get rickrolled.... 2nd offense, 2 girls/1 cup.... 3rd offense, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
Don't change a thing. I need this place to counteract my chronic low blood pressure.
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First offense, they get rickrolled.... 2nd offense, 2 girls/1 cup.... 3rd offense, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
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I think we need to be aggressive - 2g1c on first offense.
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I think we need to be aggressive - 2g1c on first offense.
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+1 No mercy!!
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I think we need to be aggressive - 2g1c on first offense.
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I demand retribution for commonly asked questions. I say when someone asks for something that's searchable, give them a CWM flashable zip that changes all of their app's icons to 100% transparent and removes the app names under the icon. That'll show 'em!
I like to suggest making the stickies stand out more. Right now the only difference is the little pushpin, which I admit I miss sometimes myself. Yes they are at the top, but it always looks likes there's a ton of them.
Some grouping box around them that says "STICKIES!! - READ THESE BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING!"
Highlight them a different color or something even.
Granted, that probably requires forum coding, which I don't know if mods can do (not skill, just accessibility).
Just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
This is no different than the sign on a storefront that says "please use other door"... about half of the people will invariably try to walk in the locked / faulty door anyway.
I've seen this same thing on literally every forum I've ever been a part of so I for one look forward to seeing what the "powers that be" come up with to eliminate or at least minimize stupidity and redundancy once and for all.
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First offense, they get rickrolled.... 2nd offense, 2 girls/1 cup.... 3rd offense, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
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after the second offense...there would be no third...
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after the second offense...there would be no third...
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I'm probably the only person in my gang that has never actually seen the vid. Everyone tried to get my to watch it, told me how gross it was, and I was like "why the frack would I want to watch it then?". To me, it's kinda like, "I think this milk is spoiled, taste this". Uhm, no thank you, I'll take your word for it.
A few things to consider -for a tough problem -
Moderators spend more time enforcing accurate post subjects. "Help Me" "I have a question" etc.
Close the stickies when they become redundant, off topic, or terminally "thanks", "that worked" etc.
A newcomer's forum. Those who want to help bring up the novices can check into this forum along with the newcomers helping each other out. Moderators can move posts that should be in this forum from forums where they don't belong. This could the "one month quarantine" forum for new registrants. Moderators could move posts to appropriate forums if the feel topic has wider appeal
A user moderation system like slashdot. slashdot isn't a question forum, but the user moderation system could be used for browsing over unwelcome posts tagged as newcomer, duplicate, etc
A forum that welcomes everyone and belittling of anyone for any reason isn't tolerated: hometheatershack. You will see newcomer questions handled only by those who really want to help; some members gently encourage newcomers to be more resourceful. The forum rules strongly encourage everyone to search around first. You will see the grizzled titan patiently answering the dumbass questions for the umpteeth time. Others obviously pass over them silently.
A middle ground like diyaudio, a forum populated by the world leaders in audio electronics. There is the occasional frustration at the newcomer but most just pass over or pitch in and keep teaching.
It is a tough issue. Just a few ideas from a long time forum user and newcomer to phone hacking. I've learned a lot from xda. Thanks!
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We're going to try and beat that into Users who have 10 posts or less on one way or another.
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I must admit I am guilty of this. The problem I have is while using the xda premium app , the search tool doesn't seem to let me search a specific forum , it searches all of xda. It is quite possible i am missing something but maybe this is something that can be changed in the app. Entorpy thanks for all your DD work, GTG thank you for unnammed , red and m.c. ty for being decent and understanding mods , and of course miami thanks for the criticism.