I'm wondering if I should root my Prime yet? I see the Virtuous Rom & I love and trust they're work as it is all I've ever used on my sensation. But, is it much of an improvement yet? I have no GPS at all, and I do get the screen flickering here and there, but I don't want to send it back for fear that it could be worse! Wifi is OK, a little weak I guess but acceptable, and I see the browser has stopped working msg, even though it hasn't, but I font know if virtuous could fix any of these or the occasional force closes. It sounds like a lot of issues I get but they really are mild & not that often, but if virtuous can fix it then I'd go for it.
Also, sift root method is best? I saw one that is just an apk that I can install, I think it was recently posted.
I'm just wondering what can be fixed thus far and what major advantages I would have at this point by rooting and flashing virtuous? Thanks in advance, all opinions are appreciated!
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You would need to unlock your bootloader to use Virtuous ROM, not just root your Prime. Those are two separate things.
I highly suggest reading more threads in General and Development before proceeding so you can make the most informed decision.
Since you don't seem to know the difference between unlocking a bootloader and rooting.. my suggestion would be to try neither until you have a stronger grasp of what is involved and what each process actually does.
I would doubly recommend you don't unlock your bootloader since that will void your warranty and could really leave you screwed if you somehow manage to brick your Prime.
As a side note, no custom ROM is likely to provide a significant improvement on GPS. The problem with GPS really isn't a software issue, so no software will ever be able to make it really work.
As for the screen flickering.. how often does this happen and how often to you restart your Prime? It happens to me once in a while, usually after my Prime has been on for a couple of days. Restarting makes it go away for another couple of days. Installing a custom ROM might fix the flickering, but there is a good chance that a hard reset will also fix the flickering. In any case you will have to decide for yourself if turning to custom ROMs to fix the screen flickering issue is worth losing your warranty over.
I'm well aware of unlocking the boot loader, as that goes without saying. I somewhat generalized the process with my statement. I'm also aware GPS is a hardware issue. I'm wondering if Virtuous will fix any of the common minor software issues. If I'm running Virtuous on my Sensation, do you not realize I've unlocked at least one boot loader in the past? Not to mention on my many other devices.
Okay, now can anyone who can share more than the absolute most obvious information, let me know if it is worth spending the time doing, or has not a great deal of progress been made at this point?
If I seem a little short, its because so many seem to assume everyone lacks common knowledge and it can be a bit frustrating. I am a business owner, and this is my hobby, but I have very little time to spend with it as of late. If not any significant process has been made, I assume it best to hold off.
I am more than able to comprehend and follow directions, and when I asked which method, I was more or less referring to which guide was the most commonly used, or the shortest process. Thank you again.
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I'm well aware of unlocking the boot loader, as that goes without saying. I somewhat generalized the process with my statement. I'm also aware GPS is a hardware issue. I'm wondering if Virtuous will fix any of the common minor software issues. If I'm running Virtuous on my Sensation, do you not realize I've unlocked at least one boot loader in the past? Not to mention on my many other devices.
Okay, now can anyone who can share more than the absolute most obvious information, let me know if it is worth spending the time doing, or has not a great deal of progress been made at this point?
If I seem a little short, its because so many seem to assume everyone lacks common knowledge and it can be a bit frustrating. I am a business owner, and this is my hobby, but I have very little time to spend with it as of late. If not any significant process has been made, I assume it best to hold off.
I am more than able to comprehend and follow directions, and when I asked which method, I was more or less referring to which guide was the most commonly used, or the shortest process. Thank you again.
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The current Virtuous Rom, or any of the other roms out, do not claim to fix 'any minor software issue'
Virtuous will certainly make your prime seem faster though.
Over half of my enjoyment with the Prime is the fact that I am customizing it and installing custom roms and tweaking. If you don't get any enjoyment out of that, and you need to ask here to make this decision, then perhaps it is not for you.
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I'm wondering if I should root my Prime yet? I see the Virtuous Rom & I love and trust they're work as it is all I've ever used on my sensation. But, is it much of an improvement yet? I have no GPS at all, and I do get the screen flickering here and there, but I don't want to send it back for fear that it could be worse! Wifi is OK, a little weak I guess but acceptable, and I see the browser has stopped working msg, even though it hasn't, but I font know if virtuous could fix any of these or the occasional force closes. It sounds like a lot of issues I get but they really are mild & not that often, but if virtuous can fix it then I'd go for it.
Also, sift root method is best? I saw one that is just an apk that I can install, I think it was recently posted.
I'm just wondering what can be fixed thus far and what major advantages I would have at this point by rooting and flashing virtuous? Thanks in advance, all opinions are appreciated!
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I was wondering if you've already done a factory reset after you upgraded to ICS. I've read some good news when doing this. Gonna go this route when I'm finally ready for ICS.
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You would need to unlock your bootloader to use Virtuous ROM, not just root your Prime. Those are two separate things.
I highly suggest reading more threads in General and Development before proceeding so you can make the most informed decision.
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Since you don't seem to know the difference between unlocking a bootloader and rooting.. my suggestion would be to try neither until you have a stronger grasp of what is involved and what each process actually does.
I would doubly recommend you don't unlock your bootloader since that will void your warranty and could really leave you screwed if you somehow manage to brick your Prime.
As a side note, no custom ROM is likely to provide a significant improvement on GPS. The problem with GPS really isn't a software issue, so no software will ever be able to make it really work.
As for the screen flickering.. how often does this happen and how often to you restart your Prime? It happens to me once in a while, usually after my Prime has been on for a couple of days. Restarting makes it go away for another couple of days. Installing a custom ROM might fix the flickering, but there is a good chance that a hard reset will also fix the flickering. In any case you will have to decide for yourself if turning to custom ROMs to fix the screen flickering issue is worth losing your warranty over.
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I agree. research more first. once you unlock bootloader there is no turning back. warranty voided and no OTA updates. make sure you ready to accept those facts if you decide to unlock.
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I agree. research more first. once you unlock bootloader there is no turning back. warranty voided and no OTA updates. make sure you ready to accept those facts if you decide to unlock.
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I've rooted every device I've ever owned, except this is my first tablet. I do have it insured though, and it covers lost or stolen, so worst case scenario I would claim it and pay the $99 deductible. I haven't bricked a device to date, knock on wood. I just don't usually bother with it until there is significant progress made. Honestly, I usually root for advantages in this order.
1) AOSP or something very pure: But, Asus UI is already very vanilla and clean.
2)Tethering Break: T-Mobile would like to charge me for tethering individually for all four of my lines, but obviously I can't tether anything off of the prime, but rather tether to it.
3)Performance/Battery Tweaks: The prime is already amazingly fast, but faster can always be achieved.
So, in conclusion the only benefit I would gain from rooting/unlocking would be performance tweaks. I gather that no rom has provided any major increases increases in performance thus far, or resolved any of the minor persisting bugs. So I believe my question has been answered.
I would LOVE to see CM9 on the Prime! When its released I'll be willing to take the day off of work to play with that!
Thanked everyone!
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I would LOVE to see CM9 on the Prime! When its released I'll be willing to take the day off of work to play with that!
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CM9 nightly builds for TF201 are already available to play with
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=tf201
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If I seem a little short, its because so many seem to assume everyone lacks common knowledge and it can be a bit frustrating. I am a business owner, and this is my hobby, but I have very little time to spend with it as of late. If not any significant process has been made, I assume it best to hold off.
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People assume you lack common knowledge because of the way your phrased your question, which seemed to confuse to very different procedures that a lot of people confuse when they don't quite know what they are doing
As for rooting, there are plenty of methods in the Dev forum, and there are plenty of threads in there discussing which one is best and why.
As for unlocking the bootloader, there are no really great reasons for doing so right now.
None of the custom ROMs really offer anything great at this point over the basically stock version of ICS already on the Prime. I am sure in a few months there will be lots of great enhancements added into custom ROMs, but now it is mostly stuff you can add for yourself with the right apps.
But hey, if you have insurance on your tablet and want to mess around go for it, its your device!
I don't personally have a reason to want one of the custom ROMs yer even though they look great. I am holding off unlocking as a friend of mine may need me as a test for some toying with the unlocker but I will be doing so eventually. I am not really worried about the warranty personally as I am intelligent enough to pay attention to what I am doing and not brick. If I have any hardware issues I have squaretrade. I did root it though as soon as it was available and remain rooted now.
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I'm wondering if I should root my Prime yet? I see the Virtuous Rom & I love and trust they're work as it is all I've ever used on my sensation. But, is it much of an improvement yet? I have no GPS at all, and I do get the screen flickering here and there, but I don't want to send it back for fear that it could be worse! Wifi is OK, a little weak I guess but acceptable, and I see the browser has stopped working msg, even though it hasn't, but I font know if virtuous could fix any of these or the occasional force closes. It sounds like a lot of issues I get but they really are mild & not that often, but if virtuous can fix it then I'd go for it.
Also, sift root method is best? I saw one that is just an apk that I can install, I think it was recently posted.
I'm just wondering what can be fixed thus far and what major advantages I would have at this point by rooting and flashing virtuous? Thanks in advance, all opinions are appreciated!
Sent from my HTC Sensation- Virtuous Inquisition 4.0
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I used Sparky APK, worked nicely the post is in Android Dev section here
This ISN'T my Transformer Prime
Rooting...why?
Well one reason would be to see if you can gps going.... I rooted via Vipermod primetime. Then I went here to pick up some files http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533776&highlight=gps+tweak I extracted them and added the 2 in the system /etc folder to my system etc folder under gps (because they weren't there doh!!) and I can say I seen a marked improvement.... from no sats locked to up to 8... and that is INSIDE by a north window...... so you tell me.... why wouldn't I root just for that alone......btw... the root is reversible I didn't unlock the bootloader....
The other thing I did was make a backup with Titanium.... never know when a guy wants to rip out some stuff..... next will be checking out ez overclock ... tomorrow maybe
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Thx so much to the virtuous dev team. My tfp is performing how I like it, smoother and faster. For example, Engadget website loads in ics browser+ faster than my ipad2 (I'm using the performance mode which is at over clock speed of 1.6 ghz). How about that?
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Might be off topic, but is there a thread showing exactly how to root and unlock bootloader?
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Might be off topic, but is there a thread showing exactly how to root and unlock bootloader?
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Ask and you shall receive... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1427125
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Might be off topic, but is there a thread showing exactly how to root and unlock bootloader?
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Make sure you read thoroughly and know what you are getting yourself into. Not that it is entirely difficult at all, but you would not be the first one to unlock with no idea what they are doing.
Flashed this ROM as well. Running great all around. My first experience with a Virtuous ROM and I am very happy with it. Looking forward to future updates!
I'm running the latest version of this ROM and loving it.
Only.. one bit of feedback for Virtuous (which I've mentioned to Diamondback via IRC) is they need to include a boot image in the next release. This will make switching to other ROMs easier in the longer run. From my understanding, the only reason it was not included is due to lack of proper testing.
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Yes. Follow the instructions carefully. The rooting and flashing of the rom went very smoothly. The rom thread has a link to the viper rooting thread too which you have to go through first and it takes care of running the Asus unlock tool.
I've been banging on this rom for several hours now. Even at balanced mode, its still very fast. Seriously a big difference. Web pages just load much more quickly, which was the biggest gripe I had. Now even that department matches my wife's ipad2. I used to hit so many crashes and stalling when there is flash material. Not a problem now. Flash just plays, PERIOD. I feel this rom really let tegra 3 shine. Very very exciting. This just confirms my belief of the potential of tfp and Android. Time to donate
I am holding off on unlocking my bootloader and installing custom ROMs till at least summer when there are plenty of ROMs out (and I have summer breaks). As of now, I am very happy with the stock Prime's performance. Probably the best out-of-the-box Android experiences I have had so far (I have owned a total of 4 Android devices).
I second this, I'm so glad I took the plunge, even though I was skeptical about how unchanged this rom looked from stock. It makes me so excited about what's to come, and just makes the every day operation on the tfp so much more pleasant!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1442441 you need this as well its a perfect theme and awesome boot animation
Waiting
I'm stoked about using it, but I think I'll wait and see if they can come up with a way to unlock the bootloader without voiding warranty. Not a noob, but not a gambler either.
Seems like my GPS is not working like before the unlock. Any chance some tweaking can be done within a rom?
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The only thing holding me back right now is simply the lack of knowledge regarding bricks. When I modded my Captivate I read for days about the kinds of bricks that can occur and how to avoid the hard bricks along with how to recover from them with loads of stock images. We don't really have that yet here.
hOws the battery life, I'd expect the battery life close to 5 hours if its in 1.6 ghz all the time.
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The only thing holding me back right now is simply the lack of knowledge regarding bricks. When I modded my Captivate I read for days about the kinds of bricks that can occur and how to avoid the hard bricks along with how to recover from them with loads of stock images. We don't really have that yet here.
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Here is a thread with some brick info.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1514088
You're not likely to brick if you follow instructions. Devs who are testing new things out can get bricked. I was testing a kernel flashing method for Diamondback and my device got bricked, but he figured out a new method to unbrick Brick option 3 (in thread)
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Here is a thread with some brick info.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1514088
You're not likely to brick if you follow instructions. Devs who are testing new things out can get bricked. I was testing a kernel flashing method for Diamondback and my device got bricked, but he figured out a new method to unbrick Brick option 3 (in thread)
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Yeah bricks are certainly possible, but as long as you follow the instructions for flashing the ROM you should be ok. That said between Diamondback's post on fixing/preventing bricks and personal support by him (he's very approachable) you should be ok. I'm on .15 beta 1 of Virtuous and it runs very well.
With the initial sluggishness and then asus locking the bootloader, I almost returned my TFP. Good that asus quickly announced they would unlock the bootloader. Then I knew its a matter of time the TFP will perform well with our talented dev teams. Let's donate
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if we have nvflash can't we recover from almost any brick?
Take your time, read directions, and make sure that you put the ROM on your INTERNAL memory root folder and not on the micro SD card. I had no problem doing it. Easiest bootloader unlock yet. I have a HTC EVO3D and it's much more difficult than Virtuous. By doing this it has also fixed my screen flicker when pushing the recent apps button. That was the only real issue(to me) that I was having. Can't wait for more exciting and feature packed ROM's in our future!!! Just my .02
Word. Stellar ROM.
Are you tired of the constant updates lately? I didn't know if it would fix my prime or break it further I was just hoping for the best with 13,14, and 15. I was also hoping someone could hack the unlock key so I could still have my warranty. Well yesterday I got irritated and decided to unlock. The entire time I had second thoughts because I am unsure if this tablet will last a year without breaking lol, so I clicked through as fast as I could (after reading all the unlock ops.) Well as soon as I was unlocked I felt a whole lot better about my prime. Maybe I have just lost faith in Asus, I don't know but as soon as I loaded virtuous I felt more secure about my purchase. I guess I have finally come to the conclusion that Asus ISNT going to have a miracle fix for the prime that fixes all the problems and after asking someone through PM twice for a refund since I was dissatisfied with the product (only to get no response what so ever..) I decided I would make the best of what I have and stop worrying.
I don't know how to explain it but now that my device is unlocked all of my uncertainties are gone. I will keep this device for the next year or so and crack flash like there's no tomorrow!
If you are undecided on unlocking I say go for it. (Assuming you read the tutorials!!) I did and I am much happier.
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what isseues did you have in each firmware ?
and what`s your sn ?
Reboots, bad wifi range, zero GPS, screen flickering, lag in the UI, bad battery life. Some of these issues would come and go depending on the update.
C10 serial.
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I have a C10 also, but with none of the issues you have mentioned other than the gps being totally useless. I'm not that bothered as i don't really need it but it does take the shine off an otherwise excellent product.
Could you let me know if installing a custom rom has made any improvement to your gps performance.
Cheers
Interesting, i was to on the fence about unlocking. I returned my Prime the other day. I've never had wifi probs on any of mine. Just got fed up with random reboot and YouTube glitches and browser freezing. One had dead pixels and light bleed.
Might have to pick up another today. Why not make it 5 lol.
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let me know how you like the virtuous rom. how is the battery life compared to stock? how is the overall speed of device now in your opinion? have you come across any shortcomings on the rom yet? I'm on the fence also but still holding on. I will at least wait till I see more roms. plus I'm really looking for a rom to bring 1.8-2.0Ghz+ speeds. then I might jump the gun if its stable and performs very well.
I think I know the feeling you talking about. its a feeling like you have more control now over the fate of your device now that you can flash new roms at will. did you use rom manager to install official updated CMW or did you use the unofficial method? or the all in one method with viperprimetime 4.5?
glad to hear you feeling more confident about device now that you have the power..lol
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let me know how you like the virtuous rom. how is the battery life compared to stock? how is the overall speed of device now in your opinion? have you come across any shortcomings on the rom yet? I'm on the fence also but still holding on. I will at least wait till I see more roms. plus I'm really looking for a rom to bring 1.8-2.0Ghz+ speeds. then I might jump the gun if its stable and performs very well.
I think I know the feeling you talking about. its a feeling like you have more control now over the fate of your device now that you can flash new roms at will. did you use rom manager to install official updated CMW or did you use the unofficial method? or the all in one method with viperprimetime 4.5?
glad to hear you feeling more confident about device now that you have the power..lol
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This. Yes more control over its fate lol. I tried to use rom manager but it wouldn't work for me. I did use vipers mod to unlock and install cmw. Virtuous is great, very stock feeling and buttery smooth. Ill let you know about the battery after a week or so of testing. I do like the 1.6 ghz overclock being the new performance mode. No screen flicker anymore either! It does seem very stable in the few hours I've tested it. Will update when I can.
Edit: GPS is just as dead as before zero birds.
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I won't get the fuzzy feeling until I can unbrick with nvflash, like with my phone (only not nvflash lol)
But I absolutely understand! 20 minutes after I picked up my phone from the Post Office, it was running custom ROMs (without voiding warranty... bah!). 10 minutes after I picked up my Prime it was rooted
Until then I'm still kind of sitting on a sharp edge with the Prime.
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I won't get the fuzzy feeling until I can unbrick with nvflash, like with my phone
But I absolutely understand! 20 minutes after I picked up my phone from the Post Office, it was running custom ROMs (without voiding warranty... bah!). 10 minutes after I picked up my Prime it was rooted
Until then I'm still kind of sitting on a sharp edge with the Prime.
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Is nvflash an Asus thing or Nvidia? I seen a post asking for it from Asus but are they the right people to ask?
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*EDIT: see lol, figured I was wrong. I was mistaken, but it is what will allow us to recover from some s/w bricking.
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Its strictly a nvidia program supplied by them. I have a version of nvflash for 'Linux for tegra' that supports tegra 3. Problem is, asus's half ass unlock does not allow us to use it even though it could recover what right now would be a hard brick.
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nelly1977 said:
I have a C10 also, but with none of the issues you have mentioned other than the gps being totally useless. I'm not that bothered as i don't really need it but it does take the shine off an otherwise excellent product.
Could you let me know if installing a custom rom has made any improvement to your gps performance.
Cheers
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I'm in the exact boat you are, C1 and no issues besides GPS. Just solved that today with GPS over bluetooth pairing with my Nexus. Ive got no need to unlock with Voodoo rootkeeper, haven't had any issue with Asus' OTA's (.13 had the battery issue but it disappeared for me in .14) and if they want to provide me with frequent updates- I'll take em. To each his own I guess.
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I'm in the exact boat you are, C1 and no issues besides GPS. Just solved that today with GPS over bluetooth pairing with my Nexus. Ive got no need to unlock with Voodoo rootkeeper, haven't had any issue with Asus' OTA's (.13 had the battery issue but it disappeared for me in .14) and if they want to provide me with frequent updates- I'll take em. To each his own I guess.
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Definitely, I'm glad your having great luck with your prime! As far as battery life on vitreous rom, it seems VERY solid. Still no concrete numbers but its been on for about 12 hours with about 5 hours of usage and I have 68% battery. I've ran several benchmarks during this time as well. Seems quite a bit better!
Edit: by the way, I am in no way hating on the prime. I was so excited when I got it (one of bestbuys first batches!!!) But I've just had more problems than is normally acceptable even from a new product. I love my prime so much I'm just disappointed with a few critical features and was hoping Asus could somehow fix these issues. I am a HUGE techie and even though I can get about 27-32 mbs from my prime upstairs, all my other devices get a solid 42 mbs which makes me sad face! Lmao.
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I had the same feeling as the OP, except it was the first day the unlock tool came out.
I had wholly intended on unlocking it right away.
I also love experimenting, learning and tinkering with this, so I've flashed and reflashed about 100 things on my prime so far, and I could not ask for anything more
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Is nvflash an Asus thing or Nvidia? I seen a post asking for it from Asus but are they the right people to ask?
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Its strictly a nvidia program supplied by them. I have a version of nvflash for 'Linux for tegra' that supports tegra 3. Problem is, asus's half ass unlock does not allow us to use it even though it could recover what right now would be a hard brick.
Hi All,
I'm currently running my Prime on the .21 with root (had it rooted on an earlier version) and I'm curious about installing a custom rom or starting to experiment a little more.. however, with all the topic here about issues and/or bricking I'm seriously scared to make any of these changes.
So my question is, what do I do, or shouldn't I ever do to ensure my Prime is not bricked ?
Thanks
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Hi All,
I'm currently running my Prime on the .21 with root (had it rooted on an earlier version) and I'm curious about installing a custom rom or starting to experiment a little more.. however, with all the topic here about issues and/or bricking I'm seriously scared to make any of these changes.
So my question is, what do I do, or shouldn't I ever do to ensure my Prime is not bricked ?
Thanks
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First off, I would suggest reading the forums over at xda. They have a lot of good information such as this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1515004 helpfully titled " [GUIDE] The DO's and DON'T's with your unlocked Prime"
Seriously, if you don't read things carefully before embarking on a flash fest, you WILL brick your device.
[Q] Howto prevent bricking ?
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Don't unlock your Prime's bootloader.
Abstinence is the best protection, its that simple
I know people really like to tinker with their devices and that the fact you can tinker is part of what attracts people to Android. However I would look long and hard at all of the ROMs available and see if they really offer any benefits for you over the basically stock Android 4.x that the Transformer Prime ships with.
If you are looking to install a custom ROM on the hope it will fix a problem you are having with the Prime I would honestly recommend RMAing the Prime in order to deal with your problem in a manner that doesn't void your warranty and that doesn't have the risk of bricking your Prime.
Just for reference:
No ROM will ever make the GPS really work for navigation. It is not a software problem, so you cannot really solve it with software.
No ROM will ever significantly improve really crappy WiFi. WiFi either works or doesn't and for the majority of people with problems the problems are related to the physical WiFi antennae. RMAing the prime and have Asus fix the antennae and their connections has a far greater chance of improving your WiFi reception than any ROM.
I mean if you just want to install ROMs in order to play around and that is one of the primary reasons you bought the Prime, go for it. However for most people losing out on your warranty isn't a great trade-off for the benefits a few custom ROMs might bring.
Thank you both for the response. I had seen the initial topic but there is a lot of confusing information out there.. some people claim bricking due to the latest .21 update without ever having unlocked the bootloader, ... so that is the reason I started this topic / question.
Now, the response from almightywhacko, is basically along the same thinking pattern as myself.. I don't use GPS and the Wifi reception is "ok".. not great but workable (for now)... So basically besides attempting to improve the Wifi connectivity, I don't have a reason to go for a custom rom (at the moment).
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Thank you both for the response. I had seen the initial topic but there is a lot of confusing information out there.. some people claim bricking due to the latest .21 update without ever having unlocked the bootloader, ... so that is the reason I started this topic / question.
Now, the response from almightywhacko, is basically along the same thinking pattern as myself.. I don't use GPS and the Wifi reception is "ok".. not great but workable (for now)... So basically besides attempting to improve the Wifi connectivity, I don't have a reason to go for a custom rom (at the moment).
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I am suspect of the actions that people have taken that have lead to their bricked Prime when they haven't unlocked. People "claim" to have done nothing to their Prime however that is only their claim. The claim might be true or not, I can't evaluate it since I wasn't looking over their shoulders however some of the people who ask about unlocking bootloaders and rooting are also the people reporting bricked Primes after installing an OTA. That probably isn't a coincidence
If your Prime is 100% stock and not rooted, pretty much the only way you can brick it is to interrupt an OTA update that is in progress.
Interrupting an OTA can happen if you hit the rest button while updating, holding down the power button, plugging and unplugging the Prime during the update, etc. Basically while the Prime is updating, set it down and let it finish. Don't touch it.
If you are rooted, deleting certain system apps using Titanium Backup or a similar program and then trying to install an OTA can cause the OTA to fail. Basically if a system app has an update that is packed into the OTA, the OTA can hang if that app has been removed which will eventually cause the update to fail.
If you want to take the OTA update, it is better to not delete system apps. If you are rooted and have deleted system apps, wait until a rooted version of the update is released by an XDA member.
The biggest thing to avoid bricking your prime is to follow directions!
I can't say it enough. Follow them step by step and reread them to make sure. Almost every problem is people not following the rules.
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Well, I also suspected users not really knowing what they have done prior to the ota update.. on the other hand I foresee quite some progress in the future in the custom roms... My android phone also has a custom rom and I couldn't miss some of the added features..but "playing" with a 600 € device potentially reducing it to an expensive coaster is not something I'm willing to do
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My Prime has been less than what I expect of it, the browser is really awful at times. It's useable, but that's it. It crashes far too often (both on .21 and .28) even after doing a factory reset (on both versions). Also random reboots if something unexpected happens.
I don't need to RMA my Prime for these issues because as far as I'm aware, this is normal behavior and is a software issue.
However, I can't even RMA if I wanted to. A while ago my sister pushed my tablet off my dresser, causing it to hit the corner and make a nice dent on it. So I'm going to assume that ASUS will mark my tablet as CID when I send it in. (Sister has mental health problems, for those who would ask.) If anyone is even reading this far into this, would ASUS still RMA my tablet? Or am I just screwed?
Question for the unlockers who didn't want to read all of that.
Does unlocking the Prime and installing a different ROM and using the custom build.prop and other tweaks solve all the problems that the Prime has with the browser and overall usability? Does this make it smoother and faster?
I don't know is it solves" all" the problems, but if you choose the right ROM it is very smooth and solve the browser crash problem.
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I don't know is it solves" all" the problems, but if you choose the right ROM it is very smooth and solve the browser crash problem.
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By "all" problems, I absolutely mean software related. I'm mainly concerned for the browser crashing/lagging/stuttering, since it's the most used app on my Prime. The UI in general is smooth, but sometimes it hangs from the Play Store and other background processes.
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My Prime has been less than what I expect of it, the browser is really awful at times. It's useable, but that's it. It crashes far too often (both on .21 and .28) even after doing a factory reset (on both versions). Also random reboots if something unexpected happens.
I don't need to RMA my Prime for these issues because as far as I'm aware, this is normal behavior and is a software issue.
However, I can't even RMA if I wanted to. A while ago my sister pushed my tablet off my dresser, causing it to hit the corner and make a nice dent on it. So I'm going to assume that ASUS will mark my tablet as CID when I send it in. (Sister has mental health problems, for those who would ask.) If anyone is even reading this far into this, would ASUS still RMA my tablet? Or am I just screwed?
Question for the unlockers who didn't want to read all of that.
Does unlocking the Prime and installing a different ROM and using the custom build.prop and other tweaks solve all the problems that the Prime has with the browser and overall usability? Does this make it smoother and faster?
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i think unlocking can help, but it's a risk and a very hard decision.. if you happen to unlock, i can recommend this ROM, smooth as silk...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1674827
if you're rooted, search up Browser2Ram for the TF201.
It works only for stock browser, but I can guarantee that it almost 100% gives you what browsing should feel like with almost no stuttering or any force close.
99% of the problems you stated will disappear if you load the right ROM. As skarfreak stated in post 4, go with Androwook. I have tried ALL other ROMs, and is is the best all around. I actually went back to using the stock browser now. Since you cannot RMA, you might as well take it into your own hands to make your device better.
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99% of the problems you stated will disappear if you load the right ROM. As skarfreak stated in post 4, go with Androwook. I have tried ALL other ROMs, and is is the best all around. I actually went back to using the stock browser now. Since you cannot RMA, you might as well take it into your own hands to make your device better.
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Alright, thanks! Seems like the best choice to go with. It really sucks that a $650 device isn't as premium as the price tells me it should be, but neither was my phone until I installed a custom ROM.
It pains me to say this, but Android device manufacturers need to step up the quality.
Wanted to get an idea from the group on options here:
Have seen quite a few postings on the issues with JB on the TF201 and how limited that makes things. Currently have a Gnexus phone running cyanogenmod 10 and really like it; started wondering what interesting features that rom might bring to the TF201.
So, first question is can any roms such as the CY10 even be installed given the JB limitations?
If so, are the benefits gained from custom roms worth whatever headaches are involved with the currently upgrade processes.
I am heading out on a deployment in about 6 days so access to pull down upgrade files will obviously be limited. Won't be returning to the US until the Sept timeframe, so definitely a needed decision on if anything can/should be done for improvements (to play with of course!) during the deployment.
I have the weekend to tinker but wanted to ask whether I'm better off just keeping the device as-is or putting in the time for possible upgrade steps.
Thanks!
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Wanted to get an idea from the group on options here:
Have seen quite a few postings on the issues with JB on the TF201 and how limited that makes things. Currently have a Gnexus phone running cyanogenmod 10 and really like it; started wondering what interesting features that rom might bring to the TF201.
So, first question is can any roms such as the CY10 even be installed given the JB limitations?
If so, are the benefits gained from custom roms worth whatever headaches are involved with the currently upgrade processes.
I am heading out on a deployment in about 6 days so access to pull down upgrade files will obviously be limited. Won't be returning to the US until the Sept timeframe, so definitely a needed decision on if anything can/should be done for improvements (to play with of course!) during the deployment.
I have the weekend to tinker but wanted to ask whether I'm better off just keeping the device as-is or putting in the time for possible upgrade steps.
Thanks!
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Hey militarymedic23,
There are definitely ROMs that can be installed currently, however most are unofficial ports from either a different device (TF700) or ported to the JellyBean bootloader (current OFFICIAL CM10 runs on ICS bootloader and will fail on updated JellyBean bootloader).
After experimenting with unofficial ports of CM10 (4.1), CM10.1 and JellyBeer (Android 4.2), I honestly recommend sticking to stock JellyBean as of right now. These ROMs, although offering a lot of customizations, are not "done" yet. There are many little bugs on each (ex: JellyBeer rom doesn't show dock battery, uses mobile mode aka. single pane, for play store, etc etc.) and although by itself doesn't take too much away from the experience, does tend to bother me over time.
It is these small bugs that I wouldn't recommend changing over from stock. A lot of the Asus features also missing (I really enjoy being able to change CPU modes from navigation menu-- which is a missing feature, for example). Also, assuming you already upgraded to the JellyBean bootloader, official CM10 ports DO NOT work, so you're getting unofficial ports.
Overall, I don't mind stock, and as long as you ROOT, you can go ahead and remove all the ASUS bloatware to get a pretty clean tablet experience. I also didn't find any performance enhancements after upgrading from stock (which I expected). I can include some pictures of stock vs unofficial CM10 benchmarks upon request.
My personal recommendation, due to the fact you will be deployed (so not sure if you'll have all the time to always flash the newest upgrades) is to continue with stock for now. The last thing you want is to be stuck with a buggy firmware without any way to update and restore. This way you can still receive OTA updates from Asus, which from my experience has been pretty timely (If you are out of the country, using an app like Hotspot Shield may help you get an OTA update if it isn't accessible from your current region).
Hope this helps.
Hi trophx, thanks for the input on this. I do agree that overall the stock software isn't actually that bad. In comparison to my phone, CM10 does give a nice assortment of features over the stock so I was thinking it might also do the same for the tablet. But for all of what I plan to be using the tablet for while deployed, keeping a stable release would eliminate one possible headache!
On a last note; I have seen other posts that mention some tablets have dropped by the wayside in terms of developers focusing on them vs the latest and greatest fresh meat hitting the market. Do you think the TF201 is among those tablets that probably won't be having things like CM written specifically for them?
Thanks again
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Hi trophx, thanks for the input on this. I do agree that overall the stock software isn't actually that bad. In comparison to my phone, CM10 does give a nice assortment of features over the stock so I was thinking it might also do the same for the tablet. But for all of what I plan to be using the tablet for while deployed, keeping a stable release would eliminate one possible headache!
On a last note; I have seen other posts that mention some tablets have dropped by the wayside in terms of developers focusing on them vs the latest and greatest fresh meat hitting the market. Do you think the TF201 is among those tablets that probably won't be having things like CM written specifically for them?
Thanks again
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The difference between the phone and THIS particular tablet is that the added dock functionality which is built into ASUS' stock firmware (which means support for a all dock keys-- screenshot, volume, brightness, lock, etc.--, USB, SDslot, etc.). This makes it different from almost all other tablets/phones in terms of how to get the best user experience. To address your point, the added functionality of CM10, for example, isn't THIS tablet specific, thus not as appealing in my opinion (just because of the instability of the build as of now). Although there definitely are a lot of added features-- very similar to all your phone features. But as I said before, I'd probably prefer stability over extra functionality at this time.
To your second point, I'm not sure. I certainly hope that development continues. On the plus side the similarity of this device to its siblings (tf300t and tf700) makes porting software across each device easier (One of the CM10 dev threads is a port from tf700). Currently CM does officially support the tf201, however, they haven't worked out the issues with the new JB bootloader, and doesn't seem to be too high on their priorities list. On another plus note, ASUS has been pretty quick about shipping out new firmware updates.
Hope this helps
I'd suggest Androwook 1.51. It's stock based so you get all the Asus compatibility with tweaks and performance out the @$$. It's definitely a lot better than stock and more stable/faster than AOSP based roms like CyanogenMod unofficial ports.
hmm, that androwook does look interesting. And you say that it pretty much adds to the base functionality without taking away any of the prime/keyboard specifics? I did a bit of searching on it and saw that many people like it and are awaiting 4.2 to be pushed out so the 1.51 -> 2.0 can go forward. Any rough timeline floating around on that?
Also, considering I will be overseas and on a limited connectivity basis, can anyone point out issues with 1.51 that would be a problem in this scenario?
Since my prime is completely untouched in the sense of no unlocking or rooting, is there a specific guide recommended, start to finish, for getting this loaded? Some of the articles I read seemed to expect a few steps to be done already. Messed around with my phone without too much problem but I get a bit edgy with wanting the exact process for the tf201. I bought it over a year ago now so the unlocking shouldn't be an issue with the one year warranty now expired, but I guess I'm more concerned on making sure I don't brick it!!! Currently use TWRP for my phone, and if that is installed on the tf201 would that allow a full restore back to the current image that is running right now (in case of whatever issue rendering it problematic)?
Thanks!
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hmm, that androwook does look interesting. And you say that it pretty much adds to the base functionality without taking away any of the prime/keyboard specifics? I did a bit of searching on it and saw that many people like it and are awaiting 4.2 to be pushed out so the 1.51 -> 2.0 can go forward. Any rough timeline floating around on that?
Also, considering I will be overseas and on a limited connectivity basis, can anyone point out issues with 1.51 that would be a problem in this scenario?
Since my prime is completely untouched in the sense of no unlocking or rooting, is there a specific guide recommended, start to finish, for getting this loaded? Some of the articles I read seemed to expect a few steps to be done already. Messed around with my phone without too much problem but I get a bit edgy with wanting the exact process for the tf201. I bought it over a year ago now so the unlocking shouldn't be an issue with the one year warranty now expired, but I guess I'm more concerned on making sure I don't brick it!!! Currently use TWRP for my phone, and if that is installed on the tf201 would that allow a full restore back to the current image that is running right now (in case of whatever issue rendering it problematic)?
Thanks!
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Yep-- for the most part. Since I don't believe you can use NVFlash (this can recover almost all bricks) on already Asus's OTA jelly bean bootloader, TWRP is next best option. I've been flashing and restoring and such for a few months now and no issues. Just be sure to READ very very carefully because the JB bootloader is very different from the ICS one, and (Cyanogenmod for example) some only support one-- installing the wrong one can brick your device permanently.
Ps. I don't want to seem like I'm recommending Stock over other roms in most scenarios, just in yours with limited connectivity, and I don't know how much time you'll have to mess around with a comp, and backing up your device and what not. I just think OTA updates from Asus is the easiest way to go.
**Androwook is extremely stable and super fast. It is exactly as McJesus15 said, based off Asus's rom-- I didn't know if you were asking about those too, because it doesn't offer the same tweaking and system settings CM10 or AOKP offer.
Hi guys, I'll throw in my 2 cents ... Mr medic u should unlock and flash Androwook. The McJesus poster above wrote a newbie guide that I followed and had success with, glitch free. I had been fully stock and read heaps before taking the plunge. You seem the type to read 1st act 2nd so ... no drawbacks. All Asus stock options remain available and Androwook uses an installer that gives you choices every step of the way.
Good luck.
Thanks for the additional feedback. Certainly am interested in the wooky version, but have a few questions on the process McJesus wrote.
An Unlocked Transformer Prime with a custom recovery and updated to the official JB bootloader..
NVflash installed if you want to go back to any other ROM not built on official JB. This is more a recommendation
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The first would be an obvious download and run the unlocker (warranty buster) from Asus, and the second; that is more of an optional?
And per the instructions it seems once unlocked then doing the pwr_volume combo will allow the bootloader to see the SDcard contents of the wooky image?
Might be bordering on the paranoid level of doublechecking, but definitely can't afford to accidently brick this a day before shipping out!
Thanks!
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Thanks for the additional feedback. Certainly am interested in the wooky version, but have a few questions on the process McJesus wrote.
The first would be an obvious download and run the unlocker (warranty buster) from Asus, and the second; that is more of an optional?
And per the instructions it seems once unlocked then doing the pwr_volume combo will allow the bootloader to see the SDcard contents of the wooky image?
Might be bordering on the paranoid level of doublechecking, but definitely can't afford to accidently brick this a day before shipping out!
Thanks!
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Alright I'll take care of ya before you ship out. Good luck and God bless you.
NVflash is a utility that can only be used while you are on Ice Cream Sandwich. Since you are on Jelly Bean there is currently no way to do the process.
Unlocking your Prime is easy. Just use the app provided on the Asus website. Understand that your warranty is now void (not like Asus intended to do much for you anyways). Once you are unlocked use the automated utility in my guide to easily flash TWRP. It's not the latest version but I haven't had time to update my post. It's perfectly fine for your uses.
Once that's done just flash Androwook either by putting the .zip file on an external SD card or the internal storage of the Prime. Once you begin the process and start selecting options the rom is basically totally customizable for you. One suggestion I will make is when selecting the kernel go with Clemsyn's 1.7ghz custom kernel as it literally is the biggest performance boost you could possibly do for your Transformer Prime. If you need any help you can message me privately or ask in the Androwook thread. The guys there are genius's. Hope we helped you get your Prime in working order before you deploy.
Oh, also, when you first boot into recovery I suggest making a back up immediately. Always have a back up handy and I personally keep 2-3 rom zips on my Prime for the SHTF moment.
Thank you!
I actually started tinkering around with the unlocker just before you posted. Unlocked it fine, and put TWRP on it and did a full backup of stock. I did pull down the 1.51 wooky image and put it on. I guess after working with CM10 I was expecting all the fancy changes but so far I can't tell the difference between stock and androwook.
I did also try and put the Wooky Prime 2.1 image but the tablet would just sit on the asus logo and not go anywhere. Can you advise what major differences should be noticed between 1.51 and prime 2.1?
Thanks
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Thank you!
I actually started tinkering around with the unlocker just before you posted. Unlocked it fine, and put TWRP on it and did a full backup of stock. I did pull down the 1.51 wooky image and put it on. I guess after working with CM10 I was expecting all the fancy changes but so far I can't tell the difference between stock and androwook.
I did also try and put the Wooky Prime 2.1 image but the tablet would just sit on the asus logo and not go anywhere. Can you advise what major differences should be noticed between 1.51 and prime 2.1?
Thanks
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Wooky Prime 2.1???
oh I have to laugh at myself sometimes
Androwook Prime 2.1
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oh I have to laugh at myself sometimes
Androwook Prime 2.1
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I'm still not getting where you are seeing 2.1. Can you link me please.
it was buried fairly well, but here is the link:
http://www.teambamf.net/topic/3986-rom040712-androwook-prime-v21-complete-rom-customization/
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it was buried fairly well, but here is the link:
http://www.teambamf.net/topic/3986-rom040712-androwook-prime-v21-complete-rom-customization/
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Ahh, sorry mate but that is really old. That was when the rom was based on ICS. When it turned to jellybean it became hairybean and went back to version 1.
1.51 is the latest.
oh, no worries though. Since it was hanging at startup I went back to 1.51.
Is there a rough rumor when JB 4.2 might be coming out and HB goes up a version? It will of course be while I'm away but if I know a general date then I can try and watch for it.
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oh, no worries though. Since it was hanging at startup I went back to 1.51.
Is there a rough rumor when JB 4.2 might be coming out and HB goes up a version? It will of course be while I'm away but if I know a general date then I can try and watch for it.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the AndroWook rom is based of OTA releases from Asus, so it probably won't have JB 4.2 unless something along those lines comes out.
of course but I was just curious if anyone has heard if a major version change or new version of android scheduled to be released in the next 6 months.
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of course but I was just curious if anyone has heard if a major version change or new version of android scheduled to be released in the next 6 months.
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Oh no idea-- Asus said they would be supporting 4.2 back in November, but it'll probably take a bit. It isn't a Nexus after all. But so far I've been pretty satisfied with their software updates in terms of speed of release and quantity.