What's the major differences between the Milestone X2 and the Droid X2? Other than one is GSM and the other is CDMA.
Both cdma. Hopefully not much but network/data. Still waiting for nandroid....
skwoodwiva said:
Both cdma. Hopefully not much but network/data. Still waiting for nandroid....
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oh, they're both CDMA? I thought the MX2 was the GSM brother of the DX2, it'd be nice to get that nandroid and see what you're planning on doing with it.
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i fershur posted and bumped it, not because you wanted me to, but because I want to see what you can do with it. Can't you take a nandroid from the Atrix as well though? even though it's a GSM phone and ours is CDMA?
^this is why all phones should be global (both GSM/CDMA) so that stuff is interchangeable.
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I think not, much radio in system.
Indeed, both are CDMA, and more specifically both are the same model. Milestone is the name given to Droid phones in Europe, because Motorola hasn't acquired the rights to use the word "Droid" from LucasArts outside of the US.
That doesn't make much sense, considering I'm in america and got an MX2 from my provider...
NVM- looks like it's specifically a verizon / lucasarts issue.
theredvendetta said:
Indeed, both are CDMA, and more specifically both are the same model. Milestone is the name given to Droid phones in Europe, because Motorola hasn't acquired the rights to use the word "Droid" fr. LucasArts outside of the US.
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So we could search for a European rom for boot loader unlock?
skwoodwiva said:
So we could search for a European rom for boot loader unlock?
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Quick - What's the Euro-equivalent to XDA?
If some frog unlocked the X2, my phone is just as good the way it is.
Maybe a pissed of Chinese man got stuck with an X2 and is OC'ing this very moment. Google Translate people. Skwoodwiva, you may land yourself on the Bootloader Unlock Wiki for this mischief.
*My first post since I got mugged. When I called Asurion for a replacement, sadly, they handed me back an X2. Why couldn't that gentleman steal my phone after the X2 stock ran out!??!?! It's all good. I still get to read Ash's late-night/early morning drunken/sleep-deprived rambles (kinda like this one).
skwoodwiva said:
Both cdma. Hopefully not much but network/data. Still waiting for nandroid....
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A damn shame.... someone SEND THIS MAN A NANDROID...
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skwoodwiva said:
Both cdma. Hopefully not much but network/data. Still waiting for nandroid....
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skwoodwiva I thought the one guy was going to give you a nanodroid? He said he was uploadind and sending in the morning did that not happen?
Not yet. It should get posted for all to see.
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So we could search for a European rom for boot loader unlock?
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Theoretically it sounds like it could be feasible, but it's a bit more complicated. They don't use the exact same android OS as us despite it being the same hardware. I believe they actually have an sbf unique to just the milestone x2. Also, xda isn't just American, and the vast majority of any android mods show up on xda before anywhere else.
The dx2 is VERIZON, mx2 is any other company that puts out the mb870. Verizon can use the Droid name, not moto. Lucus Arts owns the Droid name and leases it to Verizon...
Everything is the same except mobile carrier apps.... The settings within the phone may be different but that's add far as it goes.... You can flash an ntelos sbf on a Verizon x2 and it WILL work.... But you won't be able to activate because of baseband and prl versions are not the same. But other than that it will work..... You can flash the ntelos sbf on a Verizon DX2, and you can take the phone to ntelos and they can activate the phone... make since?
Tapin' the Talk on the xSquared
Peperm1nt
You are not suggesting that someone flash netelos to a x2 are you as one could not return back to the vz sbf. Just a FWIW.
But could you take an SBF and change the baseband and what ever else you need to to get it activated on VZW then activate it?
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No moding allowed. Sbf's are signed .
Oh
That sucks. Well could we SBF, then change the necessary stuff to get it activated on VZW, then do a nandroid and then we just have to SBF and do a nandroid to get it activated with an MX2 SBF?
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It's risky . The sbf does something irreversible = brick. I plan to nand' to the 235 mx2 after backing up as much as qpst can. But all that is safe.
I pm'ed a big cheese in our moto hacking community and he did not think qpst or radiocomm could access the radio areas that only a sbf can access.
Related
http://limitlessdroid.com/2011/06/1...ock-bootloaders-as-long-as-carriers-allow-it/
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Dang, by that time I'll have either the Samsung Prime or HTC Vigor....
I'll believe it when I see it.
L2_n19h7m4r3 said:
I'll believe it when I see it.
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+1 indeed!
That article is dated 6/14 wake me up when you find some real news.
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Don't forget that it depends on the carrier if they will allow it. But who knows verizon really doesn't like root users. I believe sprint is the only carrier that doesn't care what you do to your phone.
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Don't forget that it depends on the carrier if they will allow it. But who knows verizon really doesn't like root users. I believe sprint is the only carrier that doesn't care what you do to your phone.
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Verizon will allow it, I've asked.
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That article is dated 6/14 wake me up when you find some real news.
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Yeah I know but it was like 3-4 months after we heard about the GB update before it started trickling down so I was just hoping.
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Verizon will allow it, I've asked.
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It says the will ACTIVATE with unlocked. Doesn't say they will give us an opportunity to unlock. Sneaky wording at least that's what I am taking from this until I see my x2 with unlocked BL or Verizon put a statement saying they will allow current users to unlock.
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It says the will ACTIVATE with unlocked. Doesn't say they will give us an opportunity to unlock. Sneaky wording at least that's what I am taking from this until I see my x2 with unlocked BL or Verizon put a statement saying they will allow current users to unlock.
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its only illegal if you get caught...
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its only illegal if you get caught...
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Thats a great motto!!! Haha
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My phone, my rules. I am the customer and I call the shots.
Would be a shame if I misplaced my X2 and had to report it stolen... only to get another and have to sell it for a phone that supports features I am looking for.
Just saying.
Maybe with google on board now they will unlock it since they are doing away with the nexus as a dev phone, alteast that its what I heard.
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Lets see if the unlock really happens, I doubt it though !!!
sourceforge(dot)net/projects/droidrazr.motorola/
Can we have ROMs now :')
good stuff
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sourceforge(dot)net/projects/droidrazr.motorola/
Can we have ROMs now :')
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I have a Razr 'EN.eu'.... are these source files from UK phone ?
ROMS!! LOL I DOUBT IT!!
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So is this the first step in getting an sbf?
This isn't absolutely related to SBFs, FXZs and anything else.
Anyway, good find! I can start to work to EternityProject Kernel for Motorola RAZR now :°)
Pity is that it will be flashable only when ICS will be out!
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I have a Razr 'EN.eu'.... are these source files from UK phone ?
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No, this is the DROID RAZR's. Unless they're running the same thing (which...I guess could be possible, outside of the radio-related stuff), no.
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This isn't absolutely related to SBFs, FXZs and anything else.
Anyway, good find! I can start to work to EternityProject Kernel for Motorola RAZR now :°)
Pity is that it will be flashable only when ICS will be out!
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Why is it a pity? Can we not flash with bootstrap?
The bootloader's gotta be unlocked in order for you to flash Kernels.
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The bootloader's gotta be unlocked in order for you to flash Kernels.
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Working on it...
Yay 4 Juggs said:
Working on it...
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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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No, this is the DROID RAZR's. Unless they're running the same thing (which...I guess could be possible, outside of the radio-related stuff), no.
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board-mapphone.c:char *bp_model = "CDMA";
board-mapphone-spi.c: char *cpcap_bp_model = "CDMA"
Just a guess 'cause I didn't have time to check better:
cpcap_bp_model and bp_model should be changed to GSM or it shouldn't be changed at all. The userspace radio layer is in Android ROM and since our MDM6600 (same for DROID RAZR and RAZR) is able to work both in CDMA and GSM mode, the kernel code should be the same. CDMA as bp_model can be only for reference or for changing operational mode in the BP kernel driver.
The kernel should be exactly the same, the only unsure thing is the radio driver, anyway, in case GSM RAZR kernel will be released "too late" we can use this on the GSM RAZR relatively easily. We need in any case the unlocked bootloader for testing what I'm saying but I expect to have the RAZR (GSM) kernel prior that to happen.
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Working on it...
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May the force be with you.
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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVKOnX3BfFM&feature=related
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The kernel should be exactly the same, the only unsure thing is the radio driver, anyway, in case GSM RAZR kernel will be released "too late" we can use this on the GSM RAZR relatively easily. We need in any case the unlocked bootloader for testing what I'm saying but I expect to have the RAZR (GSM) kernel prior that to happen.
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That's true, but wouldn't it be wasted work since ICS would entail a new kernel from Moto to start over on anyway?
You don't really expect to see official ICS on the Razr anytime soon, do you? And yes, I know what Motorola told. I also know what they used to tell in the past.
but will this at least allow customs roms like like liberty 3 or cm7??
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You don't really expect to see official ICS on the Razr anytime soon, do you? And yes, I know what Motorola told. I also know what they used to tell in the past.
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Except now they're part of Google. Hopefully that'll help.
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not yet, they aren't!
are you aware that they also said that ICS was already ready when the source came out? all they have to do is finish testing it and push it out. early 2012 is very reasonable.
Hold your breath and we'll see how well you're feeling in a few months....
Sorry to ask the same question once again,but , I am just curious...
since the XT912(Verizon) and XT910 has the same hardware and chipset, I can be pretty sure they have the same radio.
Is it possible for anyone to say, whether we can activate the LTE functionality in the XT910...(maybe a custom baseband SW) or something..
I'm going to attempt to flash the GSM radio into my XT912. Everything I've also read says that the chipset should allow for GSM access, just carrier locked by Verizon.
This article has been referenced a few times about the inability to use AT&T and Verizon LTE devices on each others networks:http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388526,00.asp
I'll let you know if a radio from a GSM SBF or GSM Rom works on this though!
Thanks mate!!!
This is a good experiment. Waiting to see.
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Keep us up to date on your progress and results!
Much appreciated :]
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Hi,
Can anyone help me by posting the baseband SW of the XT912....
Help me a lot for my experiment..
I flashed the GSM radio image on my XT912 through RSD... Everything looked normal, RSD said it processed image 1 of 1, then the phone rebooted, came back up and was still on the CDMA Baseband image... Not sure exactly what happened but I was just happy it didn't brick it!
My phone is currently useless to me anyway since I'm in the Philippines. Willing to try flashing/testing whatever a developer would like to have me test at this point in time. Need to have GSM radio activated/enabled so I can use this phone... That's the bottom line I guess...
pacafrat said:
I flashed the GSM radio image on my XT912 through RSD... Everything looked normal, RSD said it processed image 1 of 1, then the phone rebooted, came back up and was still on the CDMA Baseband image... Not sure exactly what happened but I was just happy it didn't brick it!
My phone is currently useless to me anyway since I'm in the Philippines. Willing to try flashing/testing whatever a developer would like to have me test at this point in time. Need to have GSM radio activated/enabled so I can use this phone... That's the bottom line I guess...
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After flashing the radio, di dyou change baseband?
Let me know whether changing the baseband solves your problem, then I might try to do the inverse thing...
How do you change baseband? I'll try it if someone can tell me where/how to do it...
I have the xt910 in Canada with no LTE but the network supports LTE. I am extremely excited to see how your experiment works.
Did you ever get this to work?
Yes, I'm still very interested in this if anyone has further details. This thread is very similar, but goes the other way (enabling GSM on the CDMA/LTE devices).
This does not work and cannot be made to work. There is another additional LTE radio chip in the XT912 that is not there on XT910. They are not the same hardware, despite being very similar.
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This does not work and cannot be made to work. There is another additional LTE radio chip in the XT912 that is not there on XT910. They are not the same hardware, despite being very similar.
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Source? I've heard claims from both sides of this argument on XDA (some say it has the LTE radio, some say it does not).
I have yet to find a teardown of the XT910, I can only find pictures of the XT912 internals. I understand that there's a possibility that Motorola didn't put the LTE radio in the XT910, but again, I have yet to see a definitive source claiming so (i.e. pictures - and again, can only find pictures of the XT912 internals...).
I noticed that Rogers advertises the xt910 as being a LTE device. False advertising?
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Ics brings lte/cdma support for razr.
This is from Brasil ics
Cheers
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I dont think the XT910 has any CDMA radios at all. But lets see.
The Korean XT910k has LTE according to motorola website
But it also cannot flash normal razr fastboot files and roms....
same with the latin razrs also cant flash normal xt910 roms, and it has the lte radio....
Maybe there is a link in this?
Any Latin razr users flashed the XT912 fastboot before?
pedrotorresfilho said:
Ics brings lte/cdma support for razr.
This is from Brasil ics
Cheers
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Pedro, I flashed the LATAM ICS ROM to my XT910, and while it shows the option in the Phone Menu, the LTE option won't stay selected. It keeps reverting back to GSM.
I'm interested to see if someone successfully flashed a new radio file to activate the LTE on the XT910, or if this is a hardware issue, being that the hardware for LTE simply isn't inside the XT910.
Just take a look at this link, whatz the damn unlocked edition?
Seems our phones wouldn't be unlocked:
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/0...will-feature-unlocked-bootloader-in-europe-2/
WATTEFUK MOTO
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I just read that also. what the heck. this is cheating us completely.
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just saw it, i hope they will unlock our device aswell with ics...
If they don't unlock all the razr devices and have a "special" version of the razr in the U.S. that comes unlocked from the factory, Motorola is going to catch severe backlash. Im talking major uproar.
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Same I say here .. Very bad news and bad politic !!
This is VERY disappointing Moto! Why do you expect your customers to shell out another Euro 499 for an unlocked BL! Allow me to unlock my Razr's BL and keep your warranty!
I just saw this.... I can't believe they're not only release yet another razr already but they expect us to shell out even more money for something we should've had in the first place!
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Thdy did say they will provide tools on moto dev for locking and unlocking so they may br compatible fingers crossed!
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Cant we Just Extract the unlocked boootloader from the dev edition or something?? I am sure devs can do something .
sonicfishcake said:
Thdy did say they will provide tools on moto dev for locking and unlocking so they may br compatible fingers crossed!
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They have said an awful lot but Motorola press releases are VERY carefully written.
I bet everyone is passed by their legal department.
Motorola Europe on Facebook, posted on 29/12/11:
"the team is continuing to work through plans on an unlockable version for Europe and hoping to have details in the next week or so on when that might actually come to market. That's all we have for the moment but looks like details may be forthcoming."
We all got excited about that thinking that it meant they would be unlocking OUR bootloaders, but no, it meant they would try and get more money out of us by releasing a new phone.
Many years ago I used to work for Computer Associates, they didn't give a **** about the customers it was revenue and how to screw the most out of people. Every contract was watertight and we even had company's paying for software they couldn't use!
Motorola reminds me so much of those days.
As an organisation they stink!
I'll continue to develop on the Motorola RAZR (actually mine is bricked anyway) but after it, I'll never develop anymore for any Motorola device.
I feel like joked, I didn't think a company like Moto could do something like this. It's simply unbelievable.
The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,
--kholk
Well for me too, this is the last moto phone i buy.
its a shame a company like motorola do this.
And the worst is google is behind this.
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I'll continue to develop on the Motorola RAZR (actually mine is bricked anyway) but after it, I'll never develop anymore for any Motorola device.
I feel like joked, I didn't think a company like Moto could do something like this. It's simply unbelievable.
The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,
--kholk
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That's great to hear... Minus the bricked phone part lol. Just let us know what phone you're eyeing next so we know where to jump ship towards!
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Actually I'm waiting for the ASUS PadFone or alternatively the LG X3... Tegra3 seems to outperform everything
I think if Motorola not change this all our "hello moto" will become "see you never again moto".....
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Here are the people who lie to us:
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/content/default.aspx?NewsAreaID=1
I suggest that we bombard the following people with email and calls demanding to know why they continue to ignore us:
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Content/Detail.aspx?ReleaseID=13321&NewsAreaID=26
Let them understand our anger at their decisions.
won't this just give us more opportunity's to maybe unlock the locked phones??
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won't this just give us more opportunity's to maybe unlock the locked phones??
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I dont think so, it means the moto is cheating us, and there is no way to unlock our current phones,
shame on u moto
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Probably not; my guess is it will be nearly identical hardware with a different signature for the bootloader. I can sort of see this approach had it been done at release time; but after the fact this is a total cop-out. Given that samsung and htc do not have lock bootloaders on us carriers I think the only thing moto will listen to is a vote with the wallet...
So yea I chose the razr over the alternatives with this upgrade; but to be honest this crap with micro-versions (bigger battery, unlock bootloader,...) AFTER the fact combined with moto change in policy after the fact suggest this is not a company I wish to deal with in the future.
(after all they did claim they would unlock the bootloader by end of 2011; and it was htc who did the unlocking int hat period).
milestoneboy said:
Cant we Just Extract the unlocked boootloader from the dev edition or something?? I am sure devs can do something .
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Yes, me also same Razr may be my last Moto phone.
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We might have a legit one coming soon!
word of warning, if you download this, you may get stuck with a bootloader that is not unlockable. You have been warned.
Seeing as how my bootloader isn't unlocked anyway, I'm not overly concerned.
mine is but i'll make sure they tell me it can be unlocked after installing whatever it is they want installed..... i'm guessing ICS is what they want tested?
I signed up. Hopefully I get selected.
DualSportDad said:
mine is but i'll make sure they tell me it can be unlocked after installing whatever it is they want installed..... i'm guessing ICS is what they want tested?
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I doubt it's ICS, but you never know. I'm hoping it'll enable 1080p video recording at least.
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I doubt it's ICS, but you never know. I'm hoping it'll enable 1080p video recording at least.
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Why wouldn't it be ICS? The ICS update is due in Q3 and that is not too far away. What do they have left to fix in GB that is a showstopper? I am sure adding a new ICS baseline will probably fix a lot of problems and I assume the prerelease version of ICS will have bugs in it that need to be fixed.
i'm guessing it's something simular to this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...egin-tomorrow-but-its-not-ice-cream-sandwich/
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Why wouldn't it be ICS? The ICS update is due in Q3 and that is not too far away. What do they have left to fix in GB that is a showstopper? I am sure adding a new ICS baseline will probably fix a lot of problems and I assume the prerelease version of ICS will have bugs in it that need to be fixed.
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Not saying that it isn't, but Q3 is still about two months away. I agree that I can't see any fixes that are needed, but I'm just not getting my hopes up. The only enhancement I can see would be 1080p video recording, which as I understand can be enabled in the software, as the hardware supports it. I believe the Electrify already got this fix months ago. Anyway, hopefully we'll all know something sooner rather than later!
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I doubt it's ICS, but you never know. I'm hoping it'll enable 1080p video recording at least.
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Why would it be anything except ICS? I don't know of course, but why would they bother with GB 2.3.5 when they said ICS in Q3? And the timing fits their Q3 statement - maybe even a bit earlier.
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Not saying that it isn't, but Q3 is still about two months away. I agree that I can't see any fixes that are needed, but I'm just not getting my hopes up. The only enhancement I can see would be 1080p video recording, which as I understand can be enabled in the software, as the hardware supports it. I believe the Electrify already got this fix months ago. Anyway, hopefully we'll all know something sooner rather than later!
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It would be quite a nice and pleasant surprise, wouldn't it, if a manufacturer released an update ahead of schedule?
so we usually have the leak b4 the test.....
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DualSportDad said:
mine is but i'll make sure they tell me it can be unlocked after installing whatever it is they want installed..... i'm guessing ICS is what they want tested?
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Do you think they will be honest about telling you whether or not you can unlock it before you install it?
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
FernBch said:
Do you think they will be honest about telling you whether or not you can unlock it before you install it?
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
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It's not ICS, they want to test a fully unlockable bootloader so they can compete with HTC, shhhhhh....
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MinceMan said:
It's not ICS, they want to test a fully unlockable bootloader so they can compete with HTC, shhhhhh....
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That and the zombie apocolpse warning system.
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
MinceMan said:
It's not ICS, they want to test a fully unlockable bootloader so they can compete with HTC, shhhhhh....
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That might win me back from ditching them when the One X comes to Sprint but probably not.
FernBch said:
Do you think they will be honest about telling you whether or not you can unlock it before you install it?
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
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Yes I believe that they'd be honest about it... after all its my phone that they are wanting me to put their software on. But in all reality if I asked that question I wouldn't expect a response... but if I did get one I think it'd be a honest one.
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Yeah, it's your phone and they want to put THEIR software on it to work on THEIR network. They'll be honest about it.........
EDIT:
Sorry but no cell provider is known for being forthcoming and having the customer's interests above their own I'll wait and see myself.
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
I hope I can play Crysis!
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Read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25392294
Root works but sbf to 198_7 and unlock don't
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
FernBch said:
Read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25392294
Root works but sbf to 198_7 and unlock don't
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
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Um so I kinda got the bootloader thing right...