See this article:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/0...-of-phones-to-get-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Looks like everybody in the DX2 community will have to wait for an AOSP ICS from somebody!
Discuss!
EDIT: Apparently it's not official according to some XDA user's opinions, but I'm pretty sure it is official. In that list they didn't only mention 4G LTE devices, they also listed the Incredible 2 and the Rhyme which are both 3G devices. And also, the DROID Charge is 4G and it's left off the list. It's an assumption but I believe the list to be complete. Motorola and Verizon have no obligation to upgrade to ICS, even if the DX2 is within the 18 month upgrade period. Their 18 month upgrade period never stated how far upgrades would go and it has been upgraded multiple times already. I honestly don't mind if everybody gets their hopes up for Motorola/Verizon to release ICS for the DX2 because it's only going to let you down. If I'm wrong, fine. That's good for everybody with a DX2! I don't know why people have to come to this thread and act like hard-asses to get their point across. I was only releasing some news.
well the Verizon press release states that it is a list of 4G devices that will be upgraded.
then again the dinc2 isn't 4G, right?
I think that's the phone I should have gotten instead of this X2
Well, ever since I got my tablet and the ICS update on it, I haven't been doing much on my DX2 anyway. Shoot, I might just go back to a cheap flip phone.
Really liked the DX2, but I just don't understand why Motorola kicked it to the curb!
Yeah dude, that's just the 4g phones that are getting upgraded. Haven't said which 3g phones are getting it yet.
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Frankly I'm not surprised. I have a feeling there isn't enough RAM available in the X2 for an ICS install. My phone is always starved for RAM.
Don't want to bring any hope into this, but I'll be using something called a brain here for this. These are devices confirmed as of now to get it and on the Moto Upgrade site still lists the devices that are being evaluated to get it.
This is really just VZW rehashing what phone manufacturers have already announced, except they are directing this specifically at their customers. Nothing here we didn't already know, really. Of course they are going to try to get it going on the 4G devices first, that is this year's breadwinner.
I'm kinda over ICS now. lol
Yeah seems like it was all a pipe dream. Development is pretty quiet now but it's ok I'm content with CM7
CM7 DX2
**** it....
I think its the Verizon way of saying they aren't bothering upgrading any 3G devices. They just spent Billions building a 4G network that is sitting there doing next to nothing (except crashing every now and then). They need to get folks migrated to 4G ASAP.
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I think its the Verizon way of saying they aren't bothering upgrading any 3G devices. They just spent Billions building a 4G network that is sitting there doing next to nothing (except crashing every now and then). They need to get folks migrated to 4G ASAP.
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Well they are updating the DINC2.
list of Verizon Wireless 4G LTE devices currently scheduled to be upgraded.
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this just 4g, they aren't going say anything about other phones till, the 4g phones are upgraded
I have a feeling there isn't enough RAM available in the X2 for an ICS install.
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there's enough ram, not a lot
if a phone can run gingerbread it can run ICS, it's just a matter time and money, to make it work
jumping the gun syndrome
This is a classic case of the "jumping the gun syndrome".
1. The article says:
"We will continue to update this list as additional details become available throughout the year. Also, follow @VZWNews on Twitter for additional upgrade announcements."
2. The only Moto devices on the list are those that Moto confirmed a while back. I highly doubt Motorola is doing "planning and evaluation" on a bazillion devices just to ditch each and everyone of them.
Calm down gentlemen and ladies. Let's not get our panties in a bunch! Finally got a chance to say that...
Bad News!!!!
donlad said:
See this article:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/0...-of-phones-to-get-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Looks like everybody in the DX2 community will have to wait for an AOSP ICS from somebody!
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Sweet, when the other Moto phones receive it we will have upgrade eligibility anyhow.....your point?
This isn't my DX2
iCurmudgeon said:
Frankly I'm not surprised. I have a feeling there isn't enough RAM available in the X2 for an ICS install. My phone is always starved for RAM.
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I'm sure there's plenty, blur is just a pile of junk.
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Kind of lost all hope of an OTA update awhile ago.
My faith is in our developers now, not Motorola or Verizon.
heh I also wonder what inc2 would have been like =)
when comparing them in the store i liked the DX2's camera better (and larger screen), should've took the warning it tried to give me when the first phone the employee gave me froze and didn't come back on lol
wow I just read the article fully and noticed bionic gets it, well that's just salting the wound... good thing non-commercial developers make better ****ing firmware than the official ones do anyway =(
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I believe that the 6 week deadline from the official release of ICS source code is nearing up. So, if Motorola is true to its word, we should hear soon about its plans about ICS. And I sure hope those plans include the X2... What is your take on this (I know this question was asked a million times before, but the charm of asking it for the million and oneth time is just something different! )
Come on Moto! Don't disappoint me!
I believe the source is out already. Also IMO we wont ever see official ICS
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I meant the 6 week deadline that Motorola said they need from the time the source is out to let us know what phones are getting upgraded.
And it will be really unfair for Motorola to not release ICS on this phone that is not even an year old when Samsung and LG are promising that they will upgrade at least all the phones released in 2011 and even more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1414221
This post was saying someone recently looked it up. So far it's all the newest ones (ie. Bionic, Raze) and they'll "update" us later on the others they may add.
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I meant the 6 week deadline that Motorola said they need from the time the source is out to let us know what phones are getting upgraded.
And it will be really unfair for Motorola to not release ICS on this phone that is not even an year old when Samsung and LG are promising that they will upgrade at least all the phones released in 2011 and even more.
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When I was at Verizon on Monday the rep said our phone was a model on its way out. I personally think with moto rolling new phones and tablets out like crazy the X2 will be left behind.
Not to "Rock the Boat" but here is my views....
uhh hmm....
...We have a Droid x2 which was released May 26th 2011(if memory serves well). The device has been released for 7 months; halfway to a YEAR OLD! Now, with that said, I personally think that we WILL receive android 4.0. Due to the recent release of the Milestone x2, why would motorola release the device instead of pushing a different Milestone device? It currently OFFICIALLY supports 2.3.6 firmware and it was only released less than a month ago. So I think our chances are good to get it. Maybe not as soon as other devices, but EVENTUALLY we should get the release.
Call it false hopes or whatever may be, fact is MOTOROLA is a business. Why release a mirrored device(Milestone x2) if only to give 2 more updates? Along with the fact of hurting their image as a company with a dead device?
Next to this, I personally don't care!!! lol I personally think the x2 is a great device once you ROM it to whichever you want or at least debloat the stock. You don't even "need" the Init scripts if you are a casual user to keep the phone up to speed as of the 2.3.5 update for the Dx2. Once we got the 2.3.5 leak, I ran stock on my main phone for like a month as I progressed my ROM to that firmware. We as the x2 community are getting more development done now than we have in the past; regardless of what others think. Yes, the development seems slow, but how many devs do you see working on this device?
This isn't an argument about mods or ROMs, but we have some nice devs working on this phone. Next to that, "who needs ICS?" I imagine it will be faster, smoother, cooler than GB. But after 2 months have passed, users will start to complain that JellyBean(<<<<Thats the 5.0 or w/e firmware) isn't coming quick enough.
In the end, we are "stuck" with this phone regardless of leaks, mods, or updates. Enjoy what you have and hopefully someone will come along and give us what we want.
-Peperm1nt
I could care less if we ever get ics. Some people always want the next big thing which always has issues when first releases.
As for the milestone x2 sprint just dropped the lg optimus s and straight talk picked it up as the lg optimus precedent. Same phone. Smaller carriers always get devices or a version of the later after they are on the way out the big boys lineup. Milestone x2 are probably what Verizon didn't want from moto when the decided to drop the line. Its not really up to moto what updates we get its more up to Verizon to give it the ok. If the store I went to is correct and Verizon is dropping the device Verizon wont push anymore updates our way. Just saying
(This is just my opinion)
Im perfectly happy with the x2 and I am thankful for the devs we have. I donate when I can afford it and hope even though some of them have other devices will continue to help the x2 with smoother and smoother gb roms.
Thanks!
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+1 to motcher
I'm not good, but learning. The other devs are doing good with the device and I honestly think we have nothing to complain about. If you want ics, go elsewhere or port it over. When we get 2nd init FULLY working, I plan on trying to do it myself.
But honestly, we don't need it....just saying.
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+1 to motcher
I'm not good, but learning. The other devs are doing good with the device and I honestly think we have nothing to complain about. If you want ics, go elsewhere or port it over. When we get 2nd init FULLY working, I plan on trying to do it myself.
But honestly, we don't need it....just saying.
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Im no dev either but past experience on other devices. With a new kernel from moto to have it ramped up or an unlocked bootloader I think ics would not be quick. It would be laggy and severely lower performance. If you wanna port it I think best you'll get to run good as a lite version of ics. Droid eris has gb but its not complete. Devs had to remove parts to make it runnable since the device specs were just not made for it. Kinda like our 512mb of ram....bonehead move by moto.
Hell I have windows 7 on my netbook which was designed for xp....same deal as ics on a phone made to run gb really well. It might run but its not gonna be awesome just like 7 on my netbook. In my opinion.
I just hope mastafunk and the crew have success in get cm running. That's our future on this phone.
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Motorola wont officially update DX2 to ICS, there will probably be a leaked version (which will be awesome for the devs), but they wont update it to ICS due to "inadequate hardware." That statement isn't necessarily false either. While AOSP ICS wont. Have any problem running on only 512mb of RAM, what wont run on 512mb of RAM is AOSP ICS and MOTOBLOAT
So the d3 wont receive ICS? I think its more than enough to run ICS at AOSP, and with BLUR, I'm sure it would suffice. Our phone runs really smooth with a stock 2.3.5 build. RAM has "no effect" on a linux kernel. The way it is designed you SHOULD only have 20mb or so of RAM available to get the "speed" of quickload of different apps. Apps always run in the background once they are loaded and when the foreground app calls for resources it "locks" apps out of RAM and freezes an image to memory for a load when the foreground app closes or enough space opens in the RAM and then resumes the process. The "lag" comes from too many apps calling for resources at a time, that is why you have redraws and that is also why Moto put the task manager app to kill processes after 2 minutes of idle.
When ever Motorola starts pushing the ICS update for the xoom is most likely when we would get the notice of our phone getting it or not only because the fact that the xoom is using the same hardware that the x2 is using but just a different kernel and ram, I am hoping for the update tho so we can finally us our dual core processor properly since gingerbread limits this
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They really need to unlock the boot loader. Considering HTC is unlocking the bootloaders on various phones under Verizon means that Motorola shouldn't be using the excuse "well, Verizon won't allow it". If they do, that's crap. Then why is HTC allowed to do it?
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)
I think if this happens, ICS will definitely be ported over easily.
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They really need to unlock the boot loader. Considering HTC is unlocking the bootloaders on various phones under Verizon means that Motorola shouldn't be using the excuse "well, Verizon won't allow it". If they do, that's crap. Then why is HTC allowed to do it?
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)
I think if this happens, ICS will definitely be ported over easily.
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It's not Moto that won't unlock it, it's Verizon not allowing them to. Moto is their baby, they want full control over it.
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It's not Moto that won't unlock it, it's Verizon not allowing them to. Moto is their baby, they want full control over it.
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Ibolski has a point I think the other manufacturers just told Verizon to go f*** themselves and unlocked them. After all isn't on the verge of being illegal to lock us out. After all there is nothing illegal about doing anything we want to our phones. They are in essence not allowing us full ownership of our paid for devices
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Too many false returns can be the Blame for that. Moto has to take responsibility for a broken device if Verizon were to allow that to happen.
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Too many false returns can be the Blame for that. Moto has to take responsibility for a broken device if Verizon were to allow that to happen.
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Im just saying the other companies don't seem to have an issue with it. Besides its near impossible even if you don't know what your doing to completely wreck a phone by flashing especially a moto. If your on a forum flashing roms then there is more then likely a sticky showing how to fix your phone easily with an sbf. If there is a lot of broken device returns blame moto for that....I know a lot of moto phones I have got in the past were released with blatant obvious bugs. I know other companies do this two. So its not just moto. Im sure more phones are returned for those reason then because the bootloader was unlocked
Look at it this way...is moto going to.get more or less returns cuz of a locked boot....id say more cuz people are gonna try to change it and with a locked boot its more difficult to do so.
Oh and every manufacturer not just moto has to take responsibility for the broken devices....so the others don't see an issue just a moto excuse
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never thought of it that way.
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Im just saying the other companies don't seem to have an issue with it. Besides its near impossible even if you don't know what your doing to completely wreck a phone by flashing especially a moto. If your on a forum flashing roms then there is more then likely a sticky showing how to fix your phone easily with an sbf. If there is a lot of broken device returns blame moto for that....I know a lot of moto phones I have got in the past were released with blatant obvious bugs. I know other companies do this two. So its not just moto. Im sure more phones are returned for those reason then because the bootloader was unlocked
Look at it this way...is moto going to.get more or less returns cuz of a locked boot....id say more cuz people are gonna try to change it and with a locked boot its more difficult to do so.
Oh and every manufacturer not just moto has to take responsibility for the broken devices....so the others don't see an issue just a moto excuse
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I recently signed a petition on Change.org about Verizon's 2$ charge. And Verizon backed off (oh no! Correlation != Causation!) . Hmm... so what about a similar petition addressing Verizon/Moto.. I know it is laughable, but majority of Verizon customers must be Moto customers as most high end Verizon devices are Moto's. Sooo... what say? Can't hurt.
Click HERE for the official link to Motorola's Ice Cream Sandwich development stages and estimated release dates.
yes i know motorola are complete liars but its the only *OFFICIAL* information we have right now and you guys can keep checking back HERE for updated information rather than the "what he said she said" crap i keep reading.
thanks
Thank goodness for Cyanogen 9. Q3 is to far off. I'll be getting ICS this weekend now that it's in beta with minor bugs.
I can't wait.
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Dsparil said:
Thank goodness for Cyanogen 9. Q3 is to far off. I'll be getting ICS this weekend now that it's in beta with minor bugs.
I can't wait.
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yea im going to do the same thing once my phone comes in. i just signed up for sprint today and my phone should arrive by saturday. last motorola android i owned was the cliq and it took them well over a year with the same promise to bring 2.0 or 2.1 to that phone from 1.5 after several delays. cyanogenmod had a stable release for that phone several months before the official update came out. by then i didnt even have the phone anymore lol switched to the mytouch3g slide.
By the time ICS is released in Q3......Jelly Bean should be out in the alpha stage
...just saying...
Maybe it will get here a bit sooner. At least this newer info will get rid of all the many posts about "Will Photon get ICS?". Very annoying. I never doubted for a second the Photon wouldn't get ICS. Google wants this on all devices capable of running it and have said so from the beginning. ICS is just slow rolling out it seems.
Anyways, for those of us that need full functionality CM9 isn't an option yet. One of the great things about the Photon is HDMI out and Webtop feature. I am not willing to lose those and as I understand there is no way to activate Webtop on CM9 yet. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. However, 4g I can live without (not in my area) and having the camera working now is a great step to final.
Al Sharpton will be President before Photon sees ICS! Im getting SGS11 Note with it! Why the he'll AT&T is selling with GB i'm clueless! Oh, get out and vote for Rev Al!
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Al Sharpton will be President before Photon sees ICS! Im getting SGS11 Note with it! Why the he'll AT&T is selling with GB i'm clueless! Oh, get out and vote for Rev Al!
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Ok....I just have to ask. What does this thread & ICS have to do with Al Sharpton?
Also, if the Note only has GB and you want it cause you say the Photon won't get ICS in forever than why do you want a Note?? Sorry but your post seems like just jibbity jabber. How much coffee do you drink in the morning??
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Ok....I just have to ask. What does this thread & ICS have to do with Al Sharpton?
Also, if the Note only has GB and you want it cause you say the Photon won't get ICS in forever than why do you want a Note?? Sorry but your post seems like just jibbity jabber. How much coffee do you drink in the morning??
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Ok, let me clarify. We all know Al will never be president, therefore, I believe although announced, Moto will pull the plug at some point before Q3.
Next, the AT&T note has GB, the Sprint Note, expected this summer, is expected (again expected!) to have ICS more over to top AT&T!
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Ok, let me clarify. We all know Al will never be president, therefore, I believe although announced, Moto will pull the plug at some point before Q3.
Next, the AT&T note has GB, the Sprint Note, expected this summer, is expected (again expected!) to have ICS more over to top AT&T!
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Ah...thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. However, the Photon will get official ICS.
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Ah...thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. However, the Photon will get official ICS.
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Sure, just like I got WiMAX 4G! Lets be honest, who here keeps a phone more than a year? If they pushed this to Q2 maybe, but for us to wait with all the new hardware coming out WITH ICS, I'm surprised Moto made the announcment, they could have saved the development work, but we will see I'm sure. And even with me getting the Note, I'm not getting rid of the Photon anytime soon. like 2013 Q2 if my income tax is late, haha!
As bad as the SGS2 is on Sprint, you better take a long look at the Note before you jump on it. Ill never own another Samsung device. They have officially lost me at this point. Im waiting for HTCs next big thing. They seem to be the best of the bunch from what we have to chose from.
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Lets be honest, who here keeps a phone more than a year?
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I do.
It is a business phone so it is up to Sprint on when they will allow us an upgrade. If they are now on a 2-year upgrade plan for even businesses than I will for sure have the Photon for over a year. We can't afford to keep upgrading otherwise.
Also, wasn't it you who was just complaining in another thread about not having WiMax and "what if I want to keep my Photon for 10 years?" point? If you don't keep a phone for more than a year why was that even a valid point on your end?
Not trying to be harsh with these questions, just observations and curiousity mainly.
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As bad as the SGS2 is on Sprint, you better take a long look at the Note before you jump on it. Ill never own another Samsung device. They have officially lost me at this point. Im waiting for HTCs next big thing. They seem to be the best of the bunch from what we have to chose from.
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You know how many people gave me negative reviews on my last 3 or 4 devices and I was cool with all of them! Besides, I will play hard for 29 days and if I don't like, get my money minus $25.00 restocking fee!
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Tèlementrë hêvlãna yèmenskï.
Pørvânœ Îcē Crême Sändwhīch.
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Side Note: I have no freakin idea what I just said or in what language it was in.
I hope but doubt that their ICS will be as barebone as CM9
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Tèlementrë hêvlãna yèmenskï.
Pørvânœ Îcē Crême Sändwhīch.
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Side Note: I have no freakin idea what I just said or in what language it was in.
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Google Translator says Swedish but since I lived there and speak a little, Swedish is not it. I know German when I see it. I know French when I see it. SO, I'm going with Finnish (don't look Russian either!)
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yes i know motorola are complete liars but its the only *OFFICIAL* information we have right now and you guys can keep checking back.
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stupid comment
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stupid comment
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lol how so?
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As bad as the SGS2 is on Sprint, you better take a long look at the Note before you jump on it. Ill never own another Samsung device. They have officially lost me at this point. Im waiting for HTCs next big thing. They seem to be the best of the bunch from what we have to chose from.
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You mean the SGS2 where they are testing official ICS leaks right now as we speak?
I've not had a single issue with mine (nor with my wife's Photon beyond a few kinks which were worked out fairly quickly).
HTC? Really? After the 3D and assorted crap (Design anyone?) I'm beginning to think the og Evo was a fluke. Thanks, but no thanks.
Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Really you should name the title better as it gives people false hope.
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Motorola got my money for the last time. Many thanks to our devs for getting us ICS
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I'm confused about your logic on this and frankly it seems that your "I'll show you that we're screwed" attitude seems to make this irrelevant. But for the sake of anyone else reading this and getting utterly depressed that our amazing phone may not be getting ICS... well that's just incorrect. This page shows that ICS is currently in development (as opposed to "evaluation & planning") for the photon and is in the category of phones with at least 1GB of RAM, which I would like to consider promising.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Also the main complaint from the article you linked to was about delayed updating of the X2. I don't even know how much longer that's been out than the Photon b/c it's seems like a LONG time.
Anywho, stop being so d**n negative!
Plus we have awesome devs that have gotten us cm9 already, and stable much earlier than most phones so I guess I don't understand the severity of the problem if you're on this site.
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Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
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So some guy named Brandon Russell regurgitates another writers article and you all are gung hoe? I have some land I would like to talk to you about
@ricky, read back S-L-O-W-L-Y. I have no issues with my Photon, none at all. I might jump for a new EVO, but thats beside the point. I have no problems with the Developers here, they do, and continue to do a great job. But, my Photon is GREAT.
If all of you take my first suggestion here, In my OP in the link about, my issues is with Sprint and the way they handled business! How do you put a EOL of a device thats not even a year old, but you continue to support the original EVO (although threated a few times to shelve it?) If it breaks in May, you do not get another Photon, you get a compatable device. yes, CM9 is great! if it breaks then, then what, you rooted it, so that's blown out the water.
The second link was to clarify 2 things. 1. if Sprint is going to EOL the Photon, they are not going to support it, PERIOD! (It they keep that promise). Therefore, the Q3 promise is, for the most part, dead. That user responded by telling me the motorola controls OTA upgrades. As that article stated, reguardless of carrier or device, these are controlled by the carrier, not the manfuacture.
Lastly, to comment on my last sentence in this original post, who s**t on who? Did Sprint crap on Motorola with not enough advertisement, support, ect. Or did Motorola crap on Sprint by making Development promises they could not keep and Sprint finally said "F" it?
Learn how to name your threads appropriately, please.
Moto said rollout starts in Q3 - Q3 has NOT started yet!
And I don't care at all "who did what to who". It's just a friggin' phone man!! I've got a dozen gathering dust in the bottom of my closet. Along with a dozen computers I've given to charities, friends and families over the years.
dsims7_2000 if you are that angry and bitter why dont you go to Verizon or ATT. I would like to see ICS on the photon to but no one ever geranteed that it would get it. If it does then thats great if not oh well we still have cm9.
Into y'all feelings much? .... Welp this is my last few posts for the photon as I have a epic touch too and going to be there for awhile.. Look guys I been here for awhile like back since the winmo days HTC cingular 8125 and tmo wing.. And since cm3 ppl been just needy complaining upset at things that shouldn't matter.. Look it's just a phone g1 users was messed over hero users and a few more.. Just appreciate the phone as is cause if GB was the last OS update these threads wouldn't be happening!
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If you have one for me ill take it
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Dude! Calm the F&#K down!
Moto has it officially listed as rolling out in Q3. Sprint is EOL-ing certain devices early just to make sure that all WiMax hardware is cleared out before LTE comes in so there's no confusion.
If you wanted WiMax to stick around and grow, you should've rallied more people to Sprint. Instead, everyone wanted the iPhone or they thought they could "hear everybody now" on Verizon. Now they're stuck in contracts with Data caps and insane bills. Meanwhile, we still have comparatively nice bills and unlimited data but we're all stuck with having to switch over to LTE and endure a massive network overhaul. *Shrug*
Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
TurbulentEddie said:
Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
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Could not have said it better myself.
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TurbulentEddie said:
Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
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I agree very well said
I have no worries about Motorola. As was stated before, Motorola said they are developing the update for the Photon and it should be out by Q3. I'm not worried about Sprint choosing to EOL the Photon. We are going to get ICS and I'd imagine that even if Sprint choose not to support ICS that Motorola would leak it to the community. You think all these SBFs were by accident?
OG epic still getting updates! I'll leave it at that
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The original freakin' Droid got an update a few months ago and it went EOL a loooooonnnng time ago.
It's crap like this thread that has led me to ignore the OP.
stonesaber said:
The original freakin' Droid got an update a few months ago and it went EOL a loooooonnnng time ago.
It's crap like this thread that has led me to ignore the OP.
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I agree. this post is bogus
dsims7_2000 said:
Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
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Seriously.......i could respond to this but i would restate what everyone has said thus far. I work in S&R and there is a reason I said everything I did. Your still very wrong and its frustrating that your still on this track with multiple employees and contributors telling you , that you are very wrong. I wish i could pull the i-connect and cebu articles to prove you wrong but i cant because thats a violation of policy. You have provided me with alot of entertainment but now im going back to lurking unless im contributing. This whole thread and previous thread make me sad. To loki and other members thanks for your contributions.
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Motorola got my money for the last time. Many thanks to our devs for getting us ICS
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Sprints the reason you aren't getting it. It is Sprints phone, Motorola just made it for them. Like Foxconn makes iphones for Apple. If Sprint Eol the Photon and ends support also. There will be no official is. Im pretty sure Sprint can sue them if they released an oat update on Sprints network and their tailor made phone they paid to have made.
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looks like moto has pushed back ICS to Q4 for the Photon
http://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
I saw the tweet too. MAJOR disappointment, and it looks like I will be turning to Rooting for my ICS fix. (I was prepared to wait it out, but no longer.)
I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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So funny!
that sucks! but not like it matters to me. how many ics roms do we already have that work almost perfect.
Moto Sucks !
ICS is likely a no-go now since next Android version will be out before the end of this year along with brand new devices. Since Sprint has only one Moto phone, who will really care about Photon !
Typical tactics by the vendors and carriers to keep their devices as close to the 18 months mark as possible. Apparently, carriers are expected to update the software within first 18 months of release only. By end of the Q4, it will be almost 18 months.
Funny that officially, the only Moto device that got ICE is the Xoom tablet ... and Google own Motorola !
Time to seriously think about Windows 8 Phone. It is also shaping up to be an interesting OS.
Thank you so much motorola for announcing this AFTER getting the 2.3.5 update, so not only are you not giving me ICS when you said, I can't get it myself either. I liked this phone, but this really pushed me over the edge. HTC or Samsung next.
Honestly it doesn't matter to much. At least now they are in development, so hopefully we can get a soak test. Then we can get the drivers we need.
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Are you kidding me? When I went to get a new phone this spring, getting ICS was a pr-requisite for any phone I looked at. If it doesn't end up with an ICS update, I'm gonna be pissed.
Dont know why anyone didnt see this coming. I said this would happen when they announced ICS and got flamed. Motorola doesnt give two ****s about its customers and they show it every day. Once I get rid of this piece of crap Photon, I will NEVER own another Motorola product.
I was excited to get this phone and its been a complete disappointment.
#screwyoumotorola
Well, that's the problem with Android, isn't it? That it's a complete train wreck. Microsoft and Apple are pissed at Google because Google is giving away their OS while they sell theirs, which allows OEMs to build monster Android phones (i.e. they put the OS cost toward better hardware).
It isn't in the OEMs' best interest to update their phones. Not at all. We are not Motorola's customers. US Cellular is. Sprint is. And the other carriers who buy Motorola phones (and tablets, perhaps). As Motorola's customer, Sprint (to use one) is not best served by last years' phones being updated to the next OS. No, Sprint makes more money if your next device has ICS. That results in a second sale for them. They already sell the phone to you at a serious loss, with a contract. So, why should they support the phone beyond the life of the contract? You buy a Gingerbread phone at a great price. They are hoping you will buy an ICS phone at a great price in two years.
To the carriers, Android smartphones are evolving too fast. Updates are coming out faster than they are comfortable with. They like the iPhone model better -- fewer than half a dozen devices, all the same basic hardware, easy update. Same with WP7/WP8 to come, so few devices. And of course higher costs = higher profits.
Meanwhile, the developers at XDA and the like help you extend your phone's life. I have ICS on my Electrify (Photon) and it's awesome. When I got it, everybody was saying it couldn't be unlocked. But somebody figured it out. Now I'm running CM9 (ICS) and it's given my phone a completely unnecessary kick in the pants. I didn't think there was much room for improvement (and maybe a CM7-based, Blur-free ROM would have been a good choice, as well) but it's really lit a fire under my phone's, eh, kickstand.
I understand that people want to jump to HTC or Samsung. I say go ahead. It's not in the best interests of either of those companies to get you ICS sooner than later, either. Motorola makes the best radio out of any of the three. If you want upgrades sooner, I think your absolute best bet is to get a Nexus straight from Google, but those may be GSM-only? Even if one is CDMA, I doubt US Cellular will activate it for me. So that will not work in my case, I don't think. I think the best thing for everybody is a place where developers can come together and work on custom ROMs for these phones and be thanked or even donated to by those who can... hmm... a place kind of like this one.
Can't say I'm shocked.
Lame!
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To postpone it in hopes that people buy the next photon or whatever, and hide behind how "difficult" it is to push this out, is one thing..
but to also come out with a 2.3.5 update that completely prevents people from customizing their phones and make due with some unofficial ics fun till the real thing comes, is a pretty shtty move.
Are they saying "Boo!" or "Booo-urns!"?
Doesn't surprise me one bit. How many devices other then the Nexus see more then 2 software updates? Maybe 1 or 2,if they're a flagship device and they break some sales record. Even if you buy a high end device there's no guarantee anymore you'll get any future updates regardless of what the companies behind it say.
Considering that 2 of the DROID devices got cut from the list I don't expect us to get the official update at all
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
me too
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
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I totally agree. I too was waiting for the ICS update before installing a custom ROM. Guess I have no more reason to wait.
However I would never want an "I" product.
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the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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I was wrong saying carrier only. Its carrier/manufacturer.
Android ICS "code" is done. It would be an easy push if all devices were Nexus. The holdup is motorola adding their flavors like blur, and carriers with their requirements and bloatware.
Just a heads up. The end of July is 10 weeks, so let's hope its closer to June...
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
Aight coo
Did I just assume when I bought it that it would be in the first wave? Or did they actually say that when the Rezound was launched? I honestly can't remember.
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Did I just assume when I bought it that it would be in the first wave? Or did they actually say that when the Rezound was launched? I honestly can't remember.
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I think it was supposed to be "first quarter" which I guess is in June now.
Once again, I'll believe it when I see the OTA notification on my phone.
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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If you want incessant updates that constantly disables jailbreak you're more than welcome to hit up ios.
I don't really see what the problem is other just impatience. People who don't do custom roms still have a perfectly useable phone on GB, and those who can't wait have a lot of extra options.
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my first thought was "if this is another crappy article making radical claims someones getting an angry letter"
good to hear =)
should be happy the ETA isn't in 2013 at the current rollout rates hehe
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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And look at the GNex. Six months after release and still on 4.0.2. If you have one of those you must really be steaming. What happened to the Google Experience?
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If you want incessant updates that constantly disables jailbreak you're more than welcome to hit up ios.
I don't really see what the problem is other just impatience. People who don't do custom roms still have a perfectly useable phone on GB, and those who can't wait have a lot of extra options.
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Another thing I hate--false dichotomies. If I want updates iOS, if I want a bigger screen and openness, Android.
BS. It's possible to have both. If, for example, HTC had stuck to their hero device model and ONLY released a One X, S, and V, do you think updates would be difficult? Nope. It'd be easy.
Samsung? Well, updates would be easy too if they release a GSM GS3, a CDMA/LTE GS3 and a GSM/LTE GS3, but I'd guess by December we'll have the Galaxy S3 Skyrocket HD Supreme LTE 5G Maxxx.
Release fewer, better models. Easier software updates. Not hard. Not iOS.
tekhna said:
Another thing I hate--false dichotomies. If I want updates iOS, if I want a bigger screen and openness, Android.
BS. It's possible to have both. If, for example, HTC had stuck to their hero device model and ONLY released a One X, S, and V, do you think updates would be difficult? Nope. It'd be easy.
Samsung? Well, updates would be easy too if they release a GSM GS3, a CDMA/LTE GS3 and a GSM/LTE GS3, but I'd guess by December we'll have the Galaxy S3 Skyrocket HD Supreme LTE 5G Maxxx.
Release fewer, better models. Easier software updates. Not hard. Not iOS.
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I only half disagree with this. If it were up to HTC/Samsung/Google/etc. all the devices, more than likely, would be kept up to date, and in a somewhat timely fashion.
Look at the Verizon GNex. Do you think Google and Samsung don't have a working build of 4.0.4 on it? Sure they do. Verizon just isn't happy with it, for whatever reason. Same thing applies to 90% of phones in the US.
The international, unlocked versions of phones get the newer updates faster than their US counterparts, and the cell companies have a huge impact on that.
I'm not saying manufacturers and Google don't deserve some of the blame, because they do; they're pretty lazy and complacent in a way that Apple would never be. But I think Verizon is more at fault than any other party, and I'd like to see the cell companies get more heat than Google over this stuff lately.
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but I'd guess by December we'll have the Galaxy S3 Skyrocket HD Supreme LTE 5G Maxxx.
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Oh, my, God. I must have that device. Lol awesome name.
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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I don't care about whether or not stock phones can get updates or not. The only point I'll start getting annoyed is when it starts becoming difficult to even ROM the phone. In our case, we don't have kernel source. In my world, that's the only real big issue with fragmentation: With so many different hardware configurations out and more and more proprietary software sprouting up (the plethora grows!), getting someone to create a stable ROM and maintain it becomes ever harder.
All this choice is good for people with different things in mind and even though ICS is the business, Gingerbread (IMO) is still pretty sweet. Stock Gingerbread, that is. But boy, now we're having a hard time getting kernels made, the number of devices we have are definitely starting to outpace the number of developers with the time on their hands, etc.
Really you guys don't see a problem with it taking so long to get updates? I know I do. So maybe we will have an update in 6-8 weeks and kernel source in 8-10 that's great. I often wonder what HTC does all day. Must be a pretty laid back place to work.
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I'm sick of these "announcements". Not because of not having ICS (because we do) but the amount "announcements" we have had that were bull****.
Yea but most of these "announcements" have obviously been fake. I don't recall HTC ever putting anything out saying when they would roll updates out. I could be wrong though as I haven't given it too much attention
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I'm sick of these "announcements". Not because of not having ICS (because we do) but the amount "announcements" we have had that were bull****.
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This is the first word from HTC regarding the update. In reality, all the other "announcements" were unconfirmed rumors.
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Just a heads up. The end of July is 10 weeks, so let's hope its closer to June...
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
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only 10 weeks...this puts how short the summer is into perspective. i think ill sit back and try to stop obsessively checking the forums for nebulous ics updates and enjoy the summer. hell we worry more about it then some devs do
The problem is, is that if the upgrade is slated to hit at the end of July, it'll be August possibly before we get kernel source since it usually takes like two weeks for source to release.
We don't get updates because of device/carrier fragmentation. Each level of choice is an opportunity for the manufacturer or carriert to differentiate their product or service. This is necessary to be competitive with its industry rivals and to continue to grow sales, thus making shareholders happy. It becomes difficult to allocate resources to support such a wide range of hardware apps and carrier specific needs, so the choice has to be made, which device to support. Then it becomes a question as to, support for which user base will benefit the company most. But this always come behind pushing the newest product, as support is an expense which only produces goodwill. That being said they almost always promise that whatever their selling will be fully supported and updated expeditiously.