Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Really you should name the title better as it gives people false hope.
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Motorola got my money for the last time. Many thanks to our devs for getting us ICS
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I'm confused about your logic on this and frankly it seems that your "I'll show you that we're screwed" attitude seems to make this irrelevant. But for the sake of anyone else reading this and getting utterly depressed that our amazing phone may not be getting ICS... well that's just incorrect. This page shows that ICS is currently in development (as opposed to "evaluation & planning") for the photon and is in the category of phones with at least 1GB of RAM, which I would like to consider promising.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Also the main complaint from the article you linked to was about delayed updating of the X2. I don't even know how much longer that's been out than the Photon b/c it's seems like a LONG time.
Anywho, stop being so d**n negative!
Plus we have awesome devs that have gotten us cm9 already, and stable much earlier than most phones so I guess I don't understand the severity of the problem if you're on this site.
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Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
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So some guy named Brandon Russell regurgitates another writers article and you all are gung hoe? I have some land I would like to talk to you about
@ricky, read back S-L-O-W-L-Y. I have no issues with my Photon, none at all. I might jump for a new EVO, but thats beside the point. I have no problems with the Developers here, they do, and continue to do a great job. But, my Photon is GREAT.
If all of you take my first suggestion here, In my OP in the link about, my issues is with Sprint and the way they handled business! How do you put a EOL of a device thats not even a year old, but you continue to support the original EVO (although threated a few times to shelve it?) If it breaks in May, you do not get another Photon, you get a compatable device. yes, CM9 is great! if it breaks then, then what, you rooted it, so that's blown out the water.
The second link was to clarify 2 things. 1. if Sprint is going to EOL the Photon, they are not going to support it, PERIOD! (It they keep that promise). Therefore, the Q3 promise is, for the most part, dead. That user responded by telling me the motorola controls OTA upgrades. As that article stated, reguardless of carrier or device, these are controlled by the carrier, not the manfuacture.
Lastly, to comment on my last sentence in this original post, who s**t on who? Did Sprint crap on Motorola with not enough advertisement, support, ect. Or did Motorola crap on Sprint by making Development promises they could not keep and Sprint finally said "F" it?
Learn how to name your threads appropriately, please.
Moto said rollout starts in Q3 - Q3 has NOT started yet!
And I don't care at all "who did what to who". It's just a friggin' phone man!! I've got a dozen gathering dust in the bottom of my closet. Along with a dozen computers I've given to charities, friends and families over the years.
dsims7_2000 if you are that angry and bitter why dont you go to Verizon or ATT. I would like to see ICS on the photon to but no one ever geranteed that it would get it. If it does then thats great if not oh well we still have cm9.
Into y'all feelings much? .... Welp this is my last few posts for the photon as I have a epic touch too and going to be there for awhile.. Look guys I been here for awhile like back since the winmo days HTC cingular 8125 and tmo wing.. And since cm3 ppl been just needy complaining upset at things that shouldn't matter.. Look it's just a phone g1 users was messed over hero users and a few more.. Just appreciate the phone as is cause if GB was the last OS update these threads wouldn't be happening!
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If you have one for me ill take it
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Dude! Calm the F&#K down!
Moto has it officially listed as rolling out in Q3. Sprint is EOL-ing certain devices early just to make sure that all WiMax hardware is cleared out before LTE comes in so there's no confusion.
If you wanted WiMax to stick around and grow, you should've rallied more people to Sprint. Instead, everyone wanted the iPhone or they thought they could "hear everybody now" on Verizon. Now they're stuck in contracts with Data caps and insane bills. Meanwhile, we still have comparatively nice bills and unlimited data but we're all stuck with having to switch over to LTE and endure a massive network overhaul. *Shrug*
Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
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Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
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Could not have said it better myself.
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Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
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I agree very well said
I have no worries about Motorola. As was stated before, Motorola said they are developing the update for the Photon and it should be out by Q3. I'm not worried about Sprint choosing to EOL the Photon. We are going to get ICS and I'd imagine that even if Sprint choose not to support ICS that Motorola would leak it to the community. You think all these SBFs were by accident?
OG epic still getting updates! I'll leave it at that
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The original freakin' Droid got an update a few months ago and it went EOL a loooooonnnng time ago.
It's crap like this thread that has led me to ignore the OP.
stonesaber said:
The original freakin' Droid got an update a few months ago and it went EOL a loooooonnnng time ago.
It's crap like this thread that has led me to ignore the OP.
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I agree. this post is bogus
dsims7_2000 said:
Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
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Seriously.......i could respond to this but i would restate what everyone has said thus far. I work in S&R and there is a reason I said everything I did. Your still very wrong and its frustrating that your still on this track with multiple employees and contributors telling you , that you are very wrong. I wish i could pull the i-connect and cebu articles to prove you wrong but i cant because thats a violation of policy. You have provided me with alot of entertainment but now im going back to lurking unless im contributing. This whole thread and previous thread make me sad. To loki and other members thanks for your contributions.
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Dsparil said:
Motorola got my money for the last time. Many thanks to our devs for getting us ICS
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Sprints the reason you aren't getting it. It is Sprints phone, Motorola just made it for them. Like Foxconn makes iphones for Apple. If Sprint Eol the Photon and ends support also. There will be no official is. Im pretty sure Sprint can sue them if they released an oat update on Sprints network and their tailor made phone they paid to have made.
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It is with great sadness and anger that our "investment" of my much beloved Photon 4G will not be getting Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). I found out today when I decided to engage Motorola to find out if the Photon 4G will get the update. (See Screenshot of the Chat). So unless CyanogenMod gives us a custom ROM, we just got shafted by Motorola.
UPDATE:
It now appears to be a definite "maybe". Attached is a another screenshot from Moto's Forums. I know I'm getting slack for posting this, but common someone had to look into this. Don't shoot the messenger!
Side Note:
Regardless of where these "reps" are located, these people are suppose to represent Motorola. If they can't get their answers straight then its a bad reflection on the company.
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It is with great sadness and anger that our "investment" of my much beloved Photon 4G will not be getting Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). I found out today when I decided to engage Motorola to find out if the Photon 4G will get the update. (See Screenshot of the Chat). So unless CyanogenMod gives us a custom ROM, we just got shafted by Motorola.
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I'm sure someone will port it over.
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this assumes the csr in chat actually knows something beyond what was publically announced. history says they dont know.
i will be extremely surprised if ics isn't made available.
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this assumes the csr in chat actually knows something beyond what was publically announced. history says they dont know.
i will be extremely surprised if ics isn't made available.
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i talked with a sprint employee today and they said the galaxy nexus WILL NOT be coming to sprint. so being rather upset about it i asked about the iphone 5 and they told me there is no such thing and there are no plans for it.
so not only did i learn that the packing slip showing the galaxy nexus for sprint was wrong, but apple is no longer going to be making iphones.
just figured id post that info in here rather than starting my own thread.
but on a serious note moto reps are told nothing that they dont need to know, just the same as everyone else
Haha. Funny man . Well since no information was out there regarding the update, I went the route of inquiring with them. I really hope that they were wrong, but right now (unless someone can get a different answer from them) this will be fact and I'll wait for a port over.
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Haha. Funny man . Well since no information was out there regarding the update, I went the route of inquiring with them. I really hope that they were wrong, but right now (unless someone can get a different answer from them) this will be fact and I'll wait for a port over.
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you won't get a different answer until it's announced.
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so not only did i learn that the packing slip showing the galaxy nexus for sprint was wrong, but apple is no longer going to be making iphones.
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i knew quantum entanglement was powerful but didn't realize it could take a product out of your hands
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I think that once the photon gets it's fully unlocked bootloader development will really take off as right now not a lot of people are willing to unlock their phone. Also we got two different guys working on CM7.1 so I would be shocked if we don't having people jumping on CM8 when the source is dropped. Personally I wouldn't worry too much about it, we'll get it and hopefully without motoblur(CM8).
This is very disappointing news if it turns out to be true. I have wanted this phone since it was announced, I have loved it since I bought it. I have been able to get over the locked bootloader but it would be very frustrating if ICS is denied to this phone and especially since I have to wait 20 some months before my next equipment discount.
This really means nothing, those are the first supported devices that they are planning for. Motorola already tweeted saying that other devices will get ICS within 6 weeks of Google's push.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/10/24/motorola-speaks-up-about-ice-cream-sandwich-updates-razr-bionic-and-xoom-to-be-the-first-will-confirm-more-later/
Those reps work in a damn call center. I find no merit in this thread or the rep you spoke to. As a previous poster stated, they are only given information they need to do their job...which is answer phones or messages and they rarely do that right! Besides, motorola would make this type of information official on their own, not through some jerk off answering IMs
Need I mention the MoPho has all the specs required under the hood to run ICS...time will tell
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@ORam78
Hey buddy you don't have to be all hostile. I only relayed what they said. They represent Motorola and at this time this is the only fact they've given out regarding the fate of the Phone. If you find "No Merit" on this thread they why bother chiming in?
I'm on a FACT finding mission here because we owners want the latest OS. Yes this phone has the specs to do it I agree with you there, but someone in Motorola needs to take this Phone serious and come out with a timeline or something to let us know what is going on. Unfortunetaly this has close to official that I was able to get.
Lol all I have to say is your 100% correct the agents at moto do not know when software updates. The only way ill believe anything is if a Dev from Moto says so. This is from The knowledge of actually working in a call center. They wont know **** lol
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Nearly every phone I have researched on Android has gotten one upgrade from where it started, and some have gotten two. This phone started GB, it'll eventually get ICS. There simply has not been an official announcement yet, and I have a feeling the call center won't know anything until we do. Also, there isn't an iphone 5 YET. There's no way Apple will give up on such a popular gold mine. I just have a feeling call centers deal in official, announced information, not rumors. ICS for photon and iphone 5 release and Sprint Nexus Prime are all rumors at this point. A call center saying no doesn't mean anything.
Lol! Hostile? Bud, I wasn't being hostile toward you...all I'm saying is those morons don't know jack. We will have our ICS....Don't fret my little 'MoPho'ers!
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i have to agree that if you think that little peon answering the phone knows anything but how to connect you to support in India you are sadly mistaken
I don't care if gets ICS, I love the way it runs with GB! It has been the best experience with android in a phone after HTC Hero, Moment, EVO, Nexus s and ET4G.
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It is with great sadness and anger that our "investment" of my much beloved Photon 4G will not be getting Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). I found out today when I decided to engage Motorola to find out if the Photon 4G will get the update. (See Screenshot of the Chat). So unless CyanogenMod gives us a custom ROM, we just got shafted by Motorola.
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If we don't get the official release of ICS for Photon maybe coz Photon sold by Sprint carrier. You should ask Sprint rather than Motorola coz the update will be made if Sprint ask Motorola support.
But I'm pretty sure we will get ICS official or not coz someone must be on to it.
Don't worry Mophon owners about lack devs. We will be get ICS before new year
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I thought Google had some rule (for lack of a better way of putting it) that states that manufacturers and carriers have to support Android phones for 18 months. But I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that OS upgrades are part of the deal.
I received a call yesterday from an HTC wanting to discuss a rather critical customer support feedback survey I recently submitted. In the course of the conversation he mentioned the ICS upgrade and I asked him when they expect that to happen. His answer:
"It'll be late May or the second half of this year."
I asked him to repeat it, and whether he had any evidence to confirm that. He said he was sure of the time frame. Make of it what you will, but I've suspected for a while we really got boned in the butt with this one. Give up on an official ICS release in any timely manner.
That's what I figured. When I was researching buying this phone and they said "Late Q1", I was skeptical and said it would probably be more like May. We got confirmation that they were blowing smoke when they announced the Rezound wouldn't be until "later this year".
The CS rep you spoke with seems to align with "later this year".
There has to be a way to get faster updates. What happened to the Google Android Update Alliance?
So basically what he said is sometime this year. That's a pretty big window, so basically we will see an official ICS build within the next 9 months. This is the very reason I root my phone. We already have very stable fully functional ICS builds thanks to our Devs. I don't understand how our Devs can get a great build for us, but yet the "professionals" can't seem to make it happen.
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So basically what he said is sometime this year. That's a pretty big window, so basically we will see an official ICS build within the next 9 months. This is the very reason I root my phone. We already have very stable fully functional ICS builds thanks to our Devs. I don't understand how our Devs can get a great build for us, but yet the "professionals" can't seem to make it happen.
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Because they aren't concerned with us getting updates. They just work on the next phone and get around to us if they feel like it.
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I'm betting it has something to do with Verizon ,not htc. Id blame Verizon for slowing down any update or rom upgrade. Simply because Verizon is testing it to find all the software bugs and tricks embedded in the ROM. And they are determining what bloatware and/or cripplrware they want to stuff in it before its release. Thats why the date keeps getting pushed ahead. Srnd it back to htc devs after vzw is done. Htc tweaks it more, vzw wants to do more to it...and back to htc yet again... :/
The alliance is a joke.
More marketing bs. Great phone though
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I'm still sticking to the summer, but yea, rooting is the way to go.
Even sadder ICS news
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/06/htc-sensation-line-to-get-android-4-0-but-only-sense-3-6/
I think if this is the case with the Rezound rooting will be a must.
Thank goodness for the leaks. They have certainly gotten to the point of being solid and give me most of what I want out of the update. But it doesn't change the fact that Android/Sense 4.0 is ready and working on other phones and they clearly don't have much respect for their previous promises or customers.
I'm sure VZW gets partial blame here, but they are all hurting their reputations together. The extra wait better result in us getting Sense 4! If we just get a bloated official 3.6 I say we get the pitchforks!
Funny, gingerbread with sense 3.5 looks and acts basically like ics with sense 3.6. I tried Joel's sense 4.0 rom and it was pretty cool. This is why we root folks. Never trust the carrier or manufacturers. Stick with the developers!
I'm sure VZW puts HTC through hell with the roms for VZW phones. Definately sucks, but IMO, the longer its put off the more likely we are to get sense 4.0
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...they clearly don't have much respect for their previous promises or customers.
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welcome to retail. HTC/Verizon already has your money. They sold you a phone with whatever software is had on it at the time. They aren't obgliated to update it at all. they do so in order to keep customers happy. its not just HTC either, motorola, samsung, LG, company x; all the same with software updates. Their policy is update the newest first then work their way back. it cost money to develop updates for every single phone model, thats just the way it is. I have learned to not worr or wait for official updates and just use what this great development community has provided to us....4 months early.
the ICS ROMS out right now are honestly magical. Try them out.
I predict that we won't see anything until the "one" is out for at least a month and the buying of that device begins slowing.
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
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Their policy is update the newest first then work their way back. it cost money to develop updates for every single phone model, thats just the way it is. I have learned to not worr or wait for official updates and just use what this great development community has provided to us....4 months early.
the ICS ROMS out right now are honestly magical. Try them out.
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I've been following these threads but refraining from posting in them .
I understand your point, however, Android 4.0 was released/announced just prior to the release of the Rezound. If potential customers of the Rezound knew they would not be updated for close to another year (likely when Android 5.0 will be out) I'm sure that would've swayed many buyers.
I myself as well as most of us users on here aren't too hurt about this thanks to our awesome Devs but it sucks to know a lot of people dropped some nice coin for phone that HTC/Verizon have obviously not held their end of the deal of "Will receive ICS in early 2012". This was stated in red lettering on the spec list of the Rezound on the Verizon website.
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If potential customers of the Rezound knew they would not be updated for close to another year (likely when Android 5.0 will be out) I'm sure that would've swayed many buyers.
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I don't really agree & I'm not trying to argue at all.
My point is that the average VZ customer could care less about updates to a phone that basically worked just fine out of the box.
I am the head of our corporate cell phone account with almost 200 phones & if you said "ICS update" to any of our users you would be met with a blank stare as they wouldn't have the first clue what you where talking about. As long as they can turn on their phones & it functions as it's supposed to, they are perfectly happy with it.
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I've been following these threads but refraining from posting in them .
I understand your point, however, Android 4.0 was released/announced just prior to the release of the Rezound. If potential customers of the Rezound knew they would not be updated for close to another year (likely when Android 5.0 will be out) I'm sure that would've swayed many buyers.
I myself as well as most of us users on here aren't too hurt about this thanks to our awesome Devs but it sucks to know a lot of people dropped some nice coin for phone that HTC/Verizon have obviously not held their end of the deal of "Will receive ICS in early 2012". This was stated in red lettering on the spec list of the Rezound on the Verizon website.
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you are def right and i agree. it sucks that consumers are fed lies to sell products. honestly though you have to think of it as a numbers game for VZW.
How many people bought the rezound? 1 million (for ease of math)
How many of those people actually care what OS their phone has? maybe 10%?
of that 100000, how many really know the advantages of ICS vs GB? maybe another 10%?
i mean its a small piece of the VZW pie when you think about it.
plus when the next big HTC phone hits the shelves for sale VZW can advertise is as the "first 4.0 HTC device"
it will be summer before we see this. all i want ice cream for is so the devs can finally get us aosp.
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How many people bought the rezound? 1 million (for ease of math)
How many of those people actually care what OS their phone has? maybe 10%?
of that 100000, how many really know the advantages of ICS vs GB? maybe another 10%?
i mean its a small piece of the VZW pie when you think about it.
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That is exactly the point I was making.
It is only posters to sites like this who really care about things like ICS updates & we are such a tiny fraction of Verizons 100 million customers. If every single XDA poster switched to Sprint tomorrow, VZ wouldn't even notice the hit........
This isn't anything new. The HTC Droid Eris was stuck on Android 1.5 forever. I'm pretty sure Android 2.2 Froyo was out already by the time the Droid Eris got its official Android 2.1 update. Based on the past, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the official release of Jelly Bean sometime before we get the official ICS update for the Rezound. I was also fully prepared for the possibility that we'd have an AOSP port working before we get the official ICS update from Verizon. The Droid Eris already has a mostly working AOSP ICS port and they haven't had an official update since Android 2.1 to base anything off of, so I know its possible with the right amount of time and patience.
Anyways, going forward its very possible we are only going to have AOSP ports for the Rezound, because it is entirely possible at this point that ICS will be the last officially supported version of Android for this phone.
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What happened to the Google Android Update Alliance?
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Hehe. Hehehe. Yeah, I remember that happening too. That was cute.
But yeah, honestly, they didn't attach any teeth to this agreement so there's no incentive for any of the manufacturers to honor it.
See this article:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/0...-of-phones-to-get-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Looks like everybody in the DX2 community will have to wait for an AOSP ICS from somebody!
Discuss!
EDIT: Apparently it's not official according to some XDA user's opinions, but I'm pretty sure it is official. In that list they didn't only mention 4G LTE devices, they also listed the Incredible 2 and the Rhyme which are both 3G devices. And also, the DROID Charge is 4G and it's left off the list. It's an assumption but I believe the list to be complete. Motorola and Verizon have no obligation to upgrade to ICS, even if the DX2 is within the 18 month upgrade period. Their 18 month upgrade period never stated how far upgrades would go and it has been upgraded multiple times already. I honestly don't mind if everybody gets their hopes up for Motorola/Verizon to release ICS for the DX2 because it's only going to let you down. If I'm wrong, fine. That's good for everybody with a DX2! I don't know why people have to come to this thread and act like hard-asses to get their point across. I was only releasing some news.
well the Verizon press release states that it is a list of 4G devices that will be upgraded.
then again the dinc2 isn't 4G, right?
I think that's the phone I should have gotten instead of this X2
Well, ever since I got my tablet and the ICS update on it, I haven't been doing much on my DX2 anyway. Shoot, I might just go back to a cheap flip phone.
Really liked the DX2, but I just don't understand why Motorola kicked it to the curb!
Yeah dude, that's just the 4g phones that are getting upgraded. Haven't said which 3g phones are getting it yet.
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Frankly I'm not surprised. I have a feeling there isn't enough RAM available in the X2 for an ICS install. My phone is always starved for RAM.
Don't want to bring any hope into this, but I'll be using something called a brain here for this. These are devices confirmed as of now to get it and on the Moto Upgrade site still lists the devices that are being evaluated to get it.
This is really just VZW rehashing what phone manufacturers have already announced, except they are directing this specifically at their customers. Nothing here we didn't already know, really. Of course they are going to try to get it going on the 4G devices first, that is this year's breadwinner.
I'm kinda over ICS now. lol
Yeah seems like it was all a pipe dream. Development is pretty quiet now but it's ok I'm content with CM7
CM7 DX2
**** it....
I think its the Verizon way of saying they aren't bothering upgrading any 3G devices. They just spent Billions building a 4G network that is sitting there doing next to nothing (except crashing every now and then). They need to get folks migrated to 4G ASAP.
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I think its the Verizon way of saying they aren't bothering upgrading any 3G devices. They just spent Billions building a 4G network that is sitting there doing next to nothing (except crashing every now and then). They need to get folks migrated to 4G ASAP.
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Well they are updating the DINC2.
list of Verizon Wireless 4G LTE devices currently scheduled to be upgraded.
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this just 4g, they aren't going say anything about other phones till, the 4g phones are upgraded
I have a feeling there isn't enough RAM available in the X2 for an ICS install.
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there's enough ram, not a lot
if a phone can run gingerbread it can run ICS, it's just a matter time and money, to make it work
jumping the gun syndrome
This is a classic case of the "jumping the gun syndrome".
1. The article says:
"We will continue to update this list as additional details become available throughout the year. Also, follow @VZWNews on Twitter for additional upgrade announcements."
2. The only Moto devices on the list are those that Moto confirmed a while back. I highly doubt Motorola is doing "planning and evaluation" on a bazillion devices just to ditch each and everyone of them.
Calm down gentlemen and ladies. Let's not get our panties in a bunch! Finally got a chance to say that...
Bad News!!!!
donlad said:
See this article:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/0...-of-phones-to-get-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Looks like everybody in the DX2 community will have to wait for an AOSP ICS from somebody!
Discuss!
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Sweet, when the other Moto phones receive it we will have upgrade eligibility anyhow.....your point?
This isn't my DX2
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Frankly I'm not surprised. I have a feeling there isn't enough RAM available in the X2 for an ICS install. My phone is always starved for RAM.
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I'm sure there's plenty, blur is just a pile of junk.
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**** it....
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Kind of lost all hope of an OTA update awhile ago.
My faith is in our developers now, not Motorola or Verizon.
heh I also wonder what inc2 would have been like =)
when comparing them in the store i liked the DX2's camera better (and larger screen), should've took the warning it tried to give me when the first phone the employee gave me froze and didn't come back on lol
wow I just read the article fully and noticed bionic gets it, well that's just salting the wound... good thing non-commercial developers make better ****ing firmware than the official ones do anyway =(
just looked at the update page and they changed it from Q4 to "further plans coming soon".... no ICS or maybe they're planning on just going with jelly bean? From what i hear about motorola we might not be getting anything :/ https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Just started a tread on the discussions forums at Sprint. I am so fed up with the problems on this phone. And seeing that we as customer have been take for a ride. No words from Motorola or Sprint.
Is all BS if they were going to send the update why did they put it "under development" for months?
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Just started a tread on the discussions forums at Sprint. I am so fed up with the problems on this phone. And seeing that we as customer have been take for a ride. No words from Motorola or Sprint.
Is all BS if they were going to send the update why did they put it "under development" for months?
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Exactly man. This phone is only a year old and we're still stuck on GB? Smh. We've been waiting patiently to at least get the drivers and libs to make our ROMs perfect but after learning this im putting my phone up for trade. First they push us back, now we might not even get it! Its bull.
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just looked at the update page and they changed it from Q4 to "further plans coming soon".... no ICS or maybe they're planning on just going with jelly bean? From what i hear about motorola we might not be getting anything :/ https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
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Of course they did. I thought it was somewhat obvious that if the Atrix changed its update status as would the Photon. We need not focus on our phone. If Atrix gets it, we will too, bottom line. So we need to help our brothers over there in whatever way we can as it will benefit us all. Don't lose hope, our efforts are making a difference. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31943331
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Of course they did. I thought it was somewhat obvious that if the Atrix changed its update status as would the Photon. We need not focus on our phone. If Atrix gets it, we will too, bottom line. So we need to help our brothers over there in whatever way we can as it will benefit us all. Don't lose hope, our efforts are making a difference. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31943331
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It says the same thing for the atrix though. I guess we can only hope.
And this phone is screwing with me. I'm late for class because this phone thinks its funny randomly rebooting and staying at the moto screen over night -_-
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I am wondering how many photons are out there? A couple thousand I assume.
But, the worst part is that I fell they have been playing us all a long. Between Sprint and Motorola.
Sprint know that this phone has problems, they just won't acknowledge it. And sending an update to lock the device even more, I have never seem anything like that. Ever.
Motorola is clearing stock of Photon 4G on their website with free car dock @$349 without contract...
It seems like we have been fooled by the lollipop of ics so that we retain Photon 4G and not move to other phone or operator till Photon Q is released... :banghead:
If so this will be my last motorola phone ever... If not then simply they are wasting their time in locking bootloader or with other security coding...
Funniest mobile phone company I've ever seen.
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Well this is it!!
First if all MOTOBLUR suxx big time..n as photon is nt going to get ICS or JB soon..this is d last Motorola phone i will av..
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Photon.... makes me mad
It makes me disgusted with the lack of support form Motorola. With all the Droid updates on verizon and no support for the Photon on Sprint seems like we're less than an after thought. I upgraded from an original EVO and the support for that was at least bearable. As far as rooting with the Photon unlocking the bootloader kills 4G Wimax. If I'm going to lose that might as well use an upgrade and ditch the Photon.
This is definitely my last moto phone!
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i'm not hopeful about that but i think they are planning jump to jb directly.
droid 3 is a 2011 phone but status is: "Will remain on Gingerbread (Android 2.3)"
photon also is a 2011 phone but our status isn't certain like droid 3's status.
I'm not taking any bets either, but I think they will skip ICS and go to JB.
This will most likely be my last Moto phone.. I went from the Original Evo to the photon because I liked the build quality of Motorola phones. Friend of mine had a droid x and it seemed very well built. My photon has not had any of the build issues that my Evo did but i have been less than happy with the locked bootloader and lack of support on Motorola's part I assumed that when google bought out Motorola mobility we would be getting updates on par or faster than other manufacturers Guess that was a fools dream. Another reason i bought this phone was because i bought a xoom when they came out and was impressed with the tegra 2 and the quality of the xoom. My son has the original transformer and while it is thinner than the xoom, it feels kinda cheap and has some bright spots on the screen. xoom has had none of the issues of the transformer besides my 4 year old putting a small dent in the aluminum backing a couple weeks after i purchased it. I would love to dump this phone but since Sprint changed their upgrade policy i'm stuck with it for another year instead of being able to upgrade every year like I used to be able to. Was unlocked for a good while and enjoyed the ICS ports but got tired of sprints SOOOOO slow 3g and preferred the ability of having 4g when i want it. At this point i wish Motorola would just leak their build if they have one and let the devs here do the rest. They are pretty much there but without proper driver libs we are pretty much screwed. Becoming pretty annoyed with Motorola and SPRINT as a whole. Phone bill keeps going up and as far as i can tell just about every carrier in my area has faster data speeds. I was pretty pissed the other day when a coworker with an EVO flashed to cricket was able to access the internet in a building we were working in and i was stuck ROAMING.
Punit Soni said that "Further plans coming soon" means they are still trying to figure out whether they are going to update that particular phone or not. So we as a community need to tell him that we need ice cream sandwich on our phones. whether it is because of lag or any other problems nwe need to convince him and Motorola to update our phones.
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Punit Soni said that "Further plans coming soon" means they are still trying to figure out whether they are going to update that particular phone or not. So we as a community need to tell him that we need ice cream sandwich on our phones. whether it is because of lag or any other problems nwe need to convince him and Motorola to update our phones.
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Hmm. wonder what factors they consider? How many users there are? Whether we are likely to upgrade within the motorola family of products? Presumably, how hard it is to do, but that's certainly not anythingwe can influence.
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i'm not hopeful about that but i think they are planning jump to jb directly.
droid 3 is a 2011 phone but status is: "Will remain on Gingerbread (Android 2.3)"
photon also is a 2011 phone but our status isn't certain like droid 3's status.
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It looks like the photon/Atrix ate the only phones in this status. The jump from jb from ics it's not nearly as large as the jump from gb to ics so I do consider this as an option. The photon is also listed as one of the devices that they promised jb updates to just last month. I'm hopeful but we're still playing the waiting game.
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No photon ics????
I just find out about the new "Further plans coming soon" status on the ICS photon, so I decided to contact Motorola about this, and this is how it went: (please keep in mind that English is not my first language, so the whole time I was trying to be as polite as you can be when you are this frustrated and the language barrier is not helping)
Denz: Hi, my name is Denz. How may I help you?
John Santiago: I just find out that you guys change the photon ics status to "Further plans coming soon" what does that mean????????
Denz: Let me check my resources first. One moment, please.
Denz: While checking for the information, please provide the serial number: Go to Settings, About Phone, Status, get the MEID.
John Santiago: deleted meid
Denz: Thanks. Be right back. Please bear with me.
Denz: As I have checked, at the moment, we do not have any information as to when the next update will become available or if ICS will be available for Photon. Motorola is a company committed to quality in all the steps of the this process We want to ensure that this upgrade will comply with Motorola quality standards before we officially release ICS for our phones. We will keep you posted.
John Santiago: that's it????
Denz: Please refer to this link for future ICS updates:
Denz: deleted link
Denz: Sorry. This one:
Denz: deleted link
Denz: I suggest to register in the Motorola Forum to get the most up to date information regarding the ICS update for Bionic. There, you can post your comments and questions. The forum manager responds to each concerns in a timely manner.
Denz: deleted link
John Santiago: bionic???????? I'm talking about the Photon 4g not the bionic
Denz: Sorry. I meant photon.
Denz: Kindly wait for future ICS announcements. Okay.
Denz: Anything else you need assistance with?
John Santiago: Is this how Motorola plans to keep happy costumers
Denz: We understand how you feel. We open a record for all consumer contacts which are then routed to the proper department for any further research. We thank you for providing your feedback and for bringing it to our attention. It is through feedback like yours that we are able to keep on finding solutions to improve our products. We just donut have any information right now.
John Santiago: Thanks for nothing Motorola "NEVER AGAIN"
Denz: If you need any more information get in touch. Thanks from Motorola, bye!
Denz has disconnected.
I know there's more people talking about this on this forums and I apologize if my post is just one more annoying new member talking nuts but I feel like I've been lied to and I'm pissed about it.
I only have one more thing to say "MOTOROLA NEVER AGAIN"
Never say never, but at least not in the upcoming year.
What I don't understand is why people are bothering customer service reps about this. You aren't going to get a straight answer from them because they probably know just as much as you do. Its not fair to them.
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I just find out about the new "Further plans coming soon" status on the ICS photon, so I decided to contact Motorola about this, and this is how it went: (please keep in mind that English is not my first language, so the whole time I was trying to be as polite as you can be when you are this frustrated and the language barrier is not helping)
Denz: Hi, my name is Denz. How may I help you?
John Santiago: I just find out that you guys change the photon ics status to "Further plans coming soon" what does that mean????????
Denz: Let me check my resources first. One moment, please.
Denz: While checking for the information, please provide the serial number: Go to Settings, About Phone, Status, get the MEID.
John Santiago: deleted meid
Denz: Thanks. Be right back. Please bear with me.
Denz: As I have checked, at the moment, we do not have any information as to when the next update will become available or if ICS will be available for Photon. Motorola is a company committed to quality in all the steps of the this process We want to ensure that this upgrade will comply with Motorola quality standards before we officially release ICS for our phones. We will keep you posted.
John Santiago: that's it????
Denz: Please refer to this link for future ICS updates:
Denz: deleted link
Denz: Sorry. This one:
Denz: deleted link
Denz: I suggest to register in the Motorola Forum to get the most up to date information regarding the ICS update for Bionic. There, you can post your comments and questions. The forum manager responds to each concerns in a timely manner.
Denz: deleted link
John Santiago: bionic???????? I'm talking about the Photon 4g not the bionic
Denz: Sorry. I meant photon.
Denz: Kindly wait for future ICS announcements. Okay.
Denz: Anything else you need assistance with?
John Santiago: Is this how Motorola plans to keep happy costumers
Denz: We understand how you feel. We open a record for all consumer contacts which are then routed to the proper department for any further research. We thank you for providing your feedback and for bringing it to our attention. It is through feedback like yours that we are able to keep on finding solutions to improve our products. We just donut have any information right now.
John Santiago: Thanks for nothing Motorola "NEVER AGAIN"
Denz: If you need any more information get in touch. Thanks from Motorola, bye!
Denz has disconnected.
I know there's more people talking about this on this forums and I apologize if my post is just one more annoying new member talking nuts but I feel like I've been lied to and I'm pissed about it.
I only have one more thing to say "MOTOROLA NEVER AGAIN"
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I called Motorola this morning regarding ICS spoke to them for a while got transfered etc, anyways the lady I spoke to last said the update did not get cancelled however for all I know she could have just told me that so I would shut up. She did also say she sent out a message to the delevopers regarding my concern. I told her about how Im not the only one with this issue and how theres more of us that have been waiting and we are about to give up hope. Do me a favor call them up 1-800-734-5870 lets jam their lines with our concern and HOPEFULLY they will actually start taking care of their customers.
I sent this email on the support page. I don't know if it will help any, but I guess it's worth a shot.
To Whom It May Concern,
My name is xxxxxxxxxx. I am a xx year old college student in xxxxxxx. My whole family (myself, my mother and father, and my sister) are on the same plan with Sprint. When our contract was up for renewal in the spring of 2012, I was the one who did all the research on phones for all of us to upgrade to. I extensively researched all of the options that Sprint offered at the time.
The biggest criterion that needed to be met was that the phone would be upgraded to Android 4.0 at least eventually. I wound up narrowing it down to the two options of the Motorola Photon 4g and the Samsung Epic 4g touch. When we got to the store to physically see the phones, I was still on the fence. What ended up tipping me over to the Photon side was the Sprint employees. The employees at Sprint recommended the Photon and my whole family decided to go with this phone. The phone is an excellent piece of technology and I have not regretted this decision in most regards.
I have, however, regretted the decision in one big way. Today I read the XDA Developers forums for the Photon 4g and was informed that the Photon was not going to get an upgrade. And I would like to make it known that this is NOT acceptable.
My family and I bought this phone on the premise that it would be getting Android 4.0. Were it not for this promise that was made by YOU, Motorola Mobility, this phone would not have even been in contention, and you would have lost out on a sale of 4 phones. But, as it was, the phone was to be updated to ICS.
But you reneged on that promise today. It turns out you lied to the masses and likely got many people to buy your phones because they met the criterion of an upgrade to ICS. You didn't deliver a full product.
Consider the following scenario: You buy a new car. This new car includes a wonderful warranty that protects you of any manufacturer defects for a certain period of time. A month after you drive the car off the lot, it breaks down and you need that warranty. But the company refuses to pay for your car to be fixed. The company did not deliver a full product that included all the promises made about it. This would NEVER be acceptable. But yet, it is somehow acceptable for you to go back on your promise to upgrade our phones to ICS.
There is still a large community of people who use the Photon 4G and are loyal to the phone. They all want ICS. But it's not coming.
In the future, my family and I will take these empty promises into consideration when getting new phones. It will certainly negatively affect the chances of us EVER purchasing a Motorola phone again.
Thanks,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello friends!
This really sucks!!
6 months before, when I've bought Photon, Motorola officially stated that "Motorola Photon MB855 will get ICS update in Q3 2012", few months later they wrote that "ICS update will be ready in Q4", and now they simply cancelled rollout!
What kind of liars they are??
This is not just UNFAIR, this is FRAUD!
I've waited for so long, and now they say that I'm a fool!! And not me, also lots of people who use Photons and Atrixes!!
Dammit!
What can we do??
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What can we do??
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Don't replace the photon with another Motorola when you upgrade.
I can't tell you how disappointed I am as well. And that's me being incredibly charitable.
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John Kotches said:
Don't replace the photon with another Motorola when you upgrade.
I can't tell you how disappointed I am as well. And that's me being incredibly charitable.
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Well, I am VERY disappointed!!
Cause I've bought Atrix HD - used for a 5 minutes and... sold it out! Cause it badly lays in hand. And Photon. Photon is just perfect,
it's kickstand is magnificent not only to put it on table, but also to safely hold it in a hand.
****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
I have idea - we should write to Motorola Mobility support that cancelling ICS update is fraudulent,
and tell em to give us at least ICS tegra2 drivers for our developers!!
Ramonsterator said:
Well, I am VERY disappointed!!
Cause I've bought Atrix HD - used for a 5 minutes and... sold it out! Cause it badly lays in hand. And Photon. Photon is just perfect,
it's kickstand is magnificent not only to put it on table, but also to safely hold it in a hand.
****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
I have idea - we should write to Motorola Mobility support that cancelling ICS update is fraudulent,
and tell em to give us at least ICS tegra2 drivers for our developers!!
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I'd be happy with them unlocking bootloaders but not breaking 4G -- then we can use a community ROM or perhaps CM10 or... You get the point though.
This sucks. I'm stuck with this POS phone that won't get upgraded because the insurance company didn't have any more of my Nexus S4g in stock. My S4g was an older phone and still got JB. How the hell can they expect people to continue to buy their products when they just throw the owner's under the bus.
I see a huge lawsuit happening
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****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
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It was EOL'd six months after it was released. Not happy with it but we were lucky to get any updates after January.
fatalstripes said:
I see a huge lawsuit happening
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its going to be difficult to do a class action lawsuit in the U.S. due to limits imposed by the Supreme Court. That was really one of the few ways of litigation to get the attention of companies. Its just too expensive for an individual consumer to take on a large company in anything other than small claims court.
On the other-hand, having Motorola defend a couple thousand small claims cases (some of which cannot be done by attorneys) will quickly become more expensive for them than the original ICS rollout.
It would be difficult to show that MM broke any contract by not providing ICS (dont think there are any guarantees for a software update), but it should be easy to prove that they materially harmed consumers with the 2.3.5 update from 2.3.4 that locked bootloaders.
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I'd be happy with them unlocking bootloaders but not breaking 4G -- then we can use a community ROM or perhaps CM10 or... You get the point though.
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F'ing this, so hard. I'm talking Long Dong Silver on a t-shirt of blow hard. I'm talking Stallone in Rambo hard. I'm talking Hard Knock Life Volume 1, 2 and 3. I'm talking Hard. I hate Motorola, and I hope someone farts in the office and its unbearable.
It would need to be approached by the State Attorney General's offices...with the position that in 2010 Moto Mob committed to upgrades as part of the Android Upgrade Alliance...and thereby profited from consumer's based on the public affirmation & marketing that Moto was committed to upgrade the devices they sold during that time.
Since the AG often acts to protect their states constituents...that would put a whole heap of pressure on Moto. Besides some major news outlet picking up the story, that's about our only shot...
Didnt google state that all android devices get updates including operating system updates for 2 yrs or did i miss read that?
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dorelse said:
It would need to be approached by the State Attorney General's offices...with the position that in 2010 Moto Mob committed to upgrades as part of the Android Upgrade Alliance...and thereby profited from consumer's based on the public affirmation & marketing that Moto was committed to upgrade the devices they sold during that time.
Since the AG often acts to protect their states constituents...that would put a whole heap of pressure on Moto. Besides some major news outlet picking up the story, that's about our only shot...
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Try and find any official word on the Android Upgrade Alliance. I looked for two hours and found nothing after the Google I/O announcement.
That doesnt surprise me
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Lokifish Marz said:
Try and find any official word on the Android Upgrade Alliance. I looked for two hours and found nothing after the Google I/O announcement.
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http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2011/05/android-momentum-mobile-and-more-at.html
"So today we’re announcing that a founding team of industry leaders, including many from the Open Handset Alliance, are working together to adopt guidelines for how quickly devices are updated after a new platform release, and also for how long they will continue to be updated. The founding partners are Verizon, HTC, Samsung, Sprint, Sony Ericsson, LG, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Motorola and AT&T, and we welcome others to join us. To start, we're jointly announcing that new devices from participating partners will receive the latest Android platform upgrades for 18 months after the device is first released, as long as the hardware allows...and that's just the beginning. Stay tuned for more details."
As you can see the official google blog post is May 10, 2011.
Photon was officially released July 31, 2011 and thus would have qualified as a "new device" at the time of the May 10, 2011 official blogpost.
Other than the I/O announcement and press release you linked there's nothing from any of the "Update Alliance" partners after that. Find anything dated 2012.
after the I/O I dont think it was officially mentioned again.
Note how they say they'll do it if the "hardware allows." We know it will work but they'll use that as some copout!
If MOTO is reading about our rage on no ICS, they will count how many people are disappointed. Based on the number of reply in multiple threads here, it appears only few of us are fuming.
In the age of twitter, facebook and google+, we should be able to force Moto to treat the customers with respect and atleast keep their promise !
but .. numbers count.