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This is great news! Maybe we could finally see the os ported to Android after all. In the mean time a webOS developer has already installed it on his EVO 3D. I'd love to see this project take off in the Android community its a long time coming....
http://mobile.theverge.com/2011/12/...r-htcs-evo-3d-a-proof-of-concept-for-the-time
http://m.bgr.com/2011/12/09/hp-cuts-its-losses-makes-webos-open-source/
This is just what WebOS needed, its a great operating system just didn't have any good devices. Hope to see it on the mopho.
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This is just what WebOS needed, its a great operating system just didn't have any good devices. Hope to see it on the mopho.
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Its already on the 3D I don't see why not. I'm sure whatever dev takes on porting it to whatever phone is going to have their hands full but still cool proof of concept.
Wasn't rinehart thinking of doing it for the Hero a long time ago?
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Wasn't rinehart thinking of doing it for the Hero a long time ago?
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Yup lol. I was around when that was going down!
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Yup lol. I was around when that was going down!
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Same here! We're old school like that
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And everyone got mad when it didn't happen now it's even more possible......
Off topic I still have my hero just loaded ics on it to play.....can't wait to see aosp on the photon
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And everyone got mad when it didn't happen now it's even more possible......
Off topic I still have my hero just loaded ics on it to play.....can't wait to see aosp on the photon
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How is it? Is it stable? I gave my hero to my mom. She hates it with a passion! It's been acting up a bit. Plus the battery isn't holding much of a charge. Guess the trusty hero will finally come to a rest :sad:
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I'm glad it's open source, I own a touchpad and I've still yet to put Android on it. I love Android but I find WebOS to be a pretty great OS as well, the card multi-tasking is just unparalleled on any other OS.
I'm hoping we get to see custom WebOS roms for both WebOS devices and Android devices, how awesome would that be?
Don't see the point in using webOS now. It has very little app support (nothing near android) and as far as I know, everything WebOS can do, Android can do too.
Its an abandoned OS from a practically non-existent company (Palm, though HP is around, they aren't exactly bolstering it in the same that Apple does for iOS, Google does for Android and Microsoft for WP7).
I see this development as mainly a curiosity. I can see the touchpad crowd interested, but I'd much rather use Android on my Android devices (e.g. Photon).
Its dead jim, put a fork in it...
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Don't see the point in using webOS now. It has very little app support (nothing near android) and as far as I know, everything WebOS can do, Android can do too.
Its an abandoned OS from a practically non-existent company (Palm, though HP is around, they aren't exactly bolstering it in the same that Apple does for iOS, Google does for Android and Microsoft for WP7).
I see this development as mainly a curiosity. I can see the touchpad crowd interested, but I'd much rather use Android on my Android devices (e.g. Photon).
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you guys are missing the point, its a matter of because we can. why does anyone want cm7? this phone is plenty fast enough?.. why do people want miui? this phone is plenty pretty enough...
sides who knows perhaps one day there will be a merging of webos features with android features
imagine the good parts of webos being compiled into android. CM9 w/ card support. its like even wrapped in ice cream sandwhiches plated on webos cards!
If I can get my card multitasking back, I may just cry tears of joy.
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If I can get my card multitasking back, I may just cry tears of joy.
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WebOS card multitasking is better than any OS on the market (I've owned every mobile OS out there). Imagine the CM team or even Google taking bits and pieces from webos and cramming them in Android.
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WebOS card multitasking is better than any OS on the market (I've owned every mobile OS out there). Imagine the CM team or even Google taking bits and pieces from webos and cramming them in Android.
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Hasn't that already happened to a pretty big degree with ICS?
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Hasn't that already happened to a pretty big degree with ICS?
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Lmfao @ this guy ^^^^^ long time no see kid. Im not sure man I haven't ran an ics build yet but that would be nice.
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Lmfao @ this guy ^^^^^ long time no see kid. Im not sure man I haven't ran an ics build yet but that would be nice.
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I don't own a photon," kennypowders" or else I'd make sure you'd be graced with my presence on a daily basis.
It is what they've done.
More polished, apps button allows you to select which app quicker and more like webos and also the ability to swipe away apps to close them via that same menu.
Also, the removal of hardware buttons.
I have ICS running on the EVO, and while multitasking is certainly improved and in some ways similar to WebOS, the multitasking in WebOS is still superior.
However, Android does other things better than WebOS, and WebOS does some things better than Android. I enjoy both.
A merging of certain feature sets due to the open-source code would be pretty great.
I'm just wondering why the development community for the Photon has been so slow. I am not complaining, and am extremely greatful for everyone's work on the projects that keep us modders happy. I'm simply curioius as to whether or not there's a specific issue (an unreleased SDK, just a difficult phone to develop for, etc) as there have been several phones that have come out since the MoPho and already have more roms/kernals/etc. Again, this is simply out of curiosity. Thank you for any answers that you guys can provide.
Ive asked the same thing for a long time i still dont get it
It's the working mans phone, plus its not plagued with issues
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I'm just glad we have come this far...
Slow?.... we have miui and cm7 with jokers skinny rom and even sockmonkey....over 10+ oc/uv gpu enhanced kernels up to 1.5giggityhurtz ....
Only other thing I can see being modded is our pos pentile screen.....
Every optimized or enhanced android setting I come across that seem possible to port to our kernels/roms I send it jokers way cause he knows best if its worth a look or not.
So any suggestions that adds to our current awsomeness..by all means say so....
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Slow?.... we have miui and cm7 with jokers skinny rom and even sockmonkey....over 10+ oc/uv gpu enhanced kernels up to 1.5giggityhurtz ....
Only other thing I can see being modded is our pos pentile screen.....
Every optimized or enhanced android setting I come across that seem possible to port to our kernels/roms I send it jokers way cause he knows best if its worth a look or not.
So any suggestions that adds to our current awsomeness..by all means say so....
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Are those not still in Alpha phase though? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I was talking about full releases. However, I could be just not looking hard enough or am looking over the obvious, which with me, is entirely possible.
Well considering everything software wise should be considered beta(perfect software will never happen). Im pretty sure my stuff is safe. When i release a kernel, i upload from that kernel. I cant guarantee no bugs because not even stock isnt without bugs. I use alpha to scare away people that will brand all my stuff crap. Once a kernel goes stable its the same kernel just tested by more than just me.
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Are those not still in Alpha phase though? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I was talking about full releases. However, I could be just not looking hard enough or am looking over the obvious, which with me, is entirely possible.
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Are those not still in Alpha phase though? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I was talking about full releases. However, I could be just not looking hard enough or am looking over the obvious, which with me, is entirely possible.
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Although listed as alpha, they work very well. Give them a try.
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I'm using MIUI alpha and is pretty solid. Has its share of bugs but very promising.
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I wish I knew the answer to this as well. In fact, I asked the exact same question about a month ago and all I was told was that it's due to poor marketing by Sprint?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1345073
All I ever hear from everyone is how much of a kickass phone this is, which I totally agree with. You would think that for a phone with such a solid platform to work off of, the development would be insane. Unfortunately, it's just the opposite.
i have to agree with jay
ferretman61 said:
i have to agree with jay
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Have you done any development for it? No? That's why it's slow.
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Go home troll
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i have to agree with jay
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Instead of asking why there isn't enough development, why not state specifics on what you are looking for that is missing?
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honestly no offence to you but this can be pretty insulting to our developers who are highly skilled and working all their free time into getting this going, talk to Motorola for locking the bootloader and not releasing they're kernel if u want to make things faster and easier for the developers.
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Not too many developers have this device. If this device was on Verizon, we would have development up our a**es, but Sprint is not too popular of a service provider for Android developers, other than the Samsung Galaxy Epic Touch...
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Not too many developers have this device. If this device was on Verizon, we would have development up our a**es, but Sprint is not too popular of a service provider for Android developers, other than the Samsung Galaxy Epic Touch...
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I don't think this is entirely true. I came from the Evo 4G, and development/roms were plentiful from the dev community for that phone.
While it is a bit disconcerting to see the lack of development for my new Photon, it is important to remember that developers do this on their own time. However, as others have said, this device is far and above, even with Motoblur (which is awful, btw), what most other devices have to offer. There are, obviously, some other highly spec'd Sprint phones, like the SGSII, Evo3d, and the Nexus S 4G. And with the now impending release of the new Nexus on Sprint, I would assume development for the MoPho will likely drop altogether.
All that said, I do wish I had a stable AOSP ROM to put on this phone, with a nice guide on the most up-to-date rooting method(s). I only got this phone yesterday, so it'll be a few hours of fishing through hundreds of pages of forums before I'm ready to start rooting (I'm on 2.3.4)...my concern is what to put on my phone AFTER I'm rooted. :-(
Anyways -- thanks to all the devs that have put something together for us. Joker, it seems that your stuff is at the forefront, while some people are apparently still using the CM7 build from Cybik. Maybe I'll try it all!
Just to give a little perspective regarding software, when the company I work for goes to update an existing device with new code it takes a fair amount of full time software developers and testers (at least 3 or 4 of each) and a couple of months to get something out in a fairly stable state when they are familiar with the code that are updating.
What the developers here are doing is makes updates to code they did not create or develop and lord knows if there is one thing developers hate to do is comment code. So it makes it even more difficult for anyone to first understand what the code is doing in order to make that changes let alone someone who has a separate full time job.
I know your not complaining about the slowness, only asking why so I thought I would give me 2 cents.
Yeah jokers cm9 is running great! You should try it out. The only reason not to use it is the camera doesn't work so if that is important to you just wait. I barely use the camera so doesn't bother me.
just curious, I admire the development of the htc HD2 and wondering if our 3dvo can be as legendary as the Leo, recent development looks very promising though
Idk about that.. the HD2 is a beast and can run almost anything. This however doesnt.
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Idk about that.. the HD2 is a beast and can run almost anything. This however doesnt.
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What are you talking about man? I've been running iOS6 on mine for over a week now.
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Idk about that.. the HD2 is a beast and can run almost anything. This however doesnt.
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Why? We have higher specs, better screen and such. What makes different?
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What are you talking about man? I've been running iOS6 on mine for over a week now.
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Yeah, I also run symbian Anna here
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Why? We have higher specs, better screen and such. What makes different?
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Well what are you looking for? We do have a huge selection of Roms to choose from. But most of our users here want full functionality with 3D and wimax which are proprietary to HTC and not open sourced so it hinders Rom development such as Sense 4 ports and others. Correct me if Im wrong but the HD2 stock comes as winmo right? The fact to get Android on it and full functionality is a accomplishment hard to beat.
Myself I plan on installing Debian or Ubuntu 12 on here just for the fact that you can.
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Well what are you looking for? We do have a huge selection of Roms to choose from. But most of our users here want full functionality with 3D and wimax which are proprietary to HTC and not open sourced so it hinders Rom development such as Sense 4 ports and others. Correct me if Im wrong but the HD2 stock comes as winmo right? The fact to get Android on it and full functionality is a accomplishment hard to beat.
Myself I plan on installing Debian or Ubuntu 12 on here just for the fact that you can.
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I am just looking for endless awesome development like on Leo since I am not a rich guy who can easily change my old phone
I daydream of this 3vo can run ubuntu or debian also
Yes HD2 was a winmo. Maybe we could use win8 in this phone someday
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leonardusbayu said:
I am just looking for endless awesome development like on Leo since I am not a rich guy who can easily change my old phone
I daydream of this 3vo can run ubuntu or debian also
Yes HD2 was a winmo. Maybe we could use win8 in this phone someday
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Oh it already can run them. Just need linux installer from play store and get myself set up and launch. Dont really need it but its something new to do and could possibly find good uses for it in doing so. I wouldnt count on endless development here but its still an active device with plenty of devs behind it. Know ill be around for awhile also and I just build my own roms to use.
I think it boils down to whether or not we will still have as many active devs as we do in the future. We have wimax, and I'm sure 3d is soon to follow. That being said, if the framework keeps changing in-between aosp versions(gb>ics) then these will have to be rewritten all over again. And I think that will push people to other phones. I plan on having my 3D for some time, and I'm learning to build my own roms and make modifications that I like, so you never know what will happen. I don't see why this phone can't continue for some time, and I for one would love to see it happen. Who knows...
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I think it boils down to whether or not we will still have as many active devs as we do in the future. We have wimax, and I'm sure 3d is soon to follow. That being said, if the framework keeps changing in-between aosp versions(gb>ics) then these will have to be rewritten all over again. And I think that will push people to other phones. I plan on having my 3D for some time, and I'm learning to build my own roms and make modifications that I like, so you never know what will happen. I don't see why this phone can't continue for some time, and I for one would love to see it happen. Who knows...
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Yeah. Quite happy with this phone though. Even galaxy s3 can't play.stereoscopic video
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What are you talking about man? I've been running iOS6 on mine for over a week now.
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?? Like Apple Software?? on the HD2 or Evo 3d?
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?? Like Apple Software?? on the HD2 or Evo 3d?
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Sarcasm..
leonardusbayu said:
I am just looking for endless awesome development like on Leo since I am not a rich guy who can easily change my old phone
I daydream of this 3vo can run ubuntu or debian also
Yes HD2 was a winmo. Maybe we could use win8 in this phone someday
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You can emulate many linux distros and some old versions of windows on almost all android phones though......but emulation is slowwwwww...
So Im a closeted webos lover, its true. Had hp not fouled things up worse I would be on a HP Pre whatever this very moment. Open WebOS has hit, is any devs at all interested? Anyone care?
I would definitely run a webos ROM!
Me too
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Same here!!
Not sure what it would take to get webos up and runnin, but god I hope someone decided to make it happen. I too would still be on webos if HP wouldn't have screwed up so hard. Its wishful thinking that we will ever see webos on our Photon, but one can dream.
Well, crossing my fingers in hopes of someone picking up this type of project. Ran across some new palm pres on ebay for under 50. Almost bit "still might" just as a backup phone to play with every so often.
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If someone had a way to run android apps on webos it would be back on my tp
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Didn't they do this with the evo 3d a long time ago?
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If someone had a way to run android apps on webos it would be back on my tp
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Check the link
http://m.webosnation.com/openmobile-working-hp-make-android-apps-webos-reality
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I don't miss my Pre, but I miss WebOS!
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Multitasking was the best on webos.
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I will pay the first dev to get it up
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I'll try and do something with it. I'm busy as all hell with work/class/study, but I've been wanting WebOS on an Android phone since my HTC Hero (lol, I actually had a dev team trying to port WebOS from the Pre to the Hero). Not promising anything since I'm not like an uber dev, but I'll try.
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Check the link
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Saw it a while back but never saw a working copy.
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its cool
This was a post I replied to a couple of months ago.
This is an actual "Long Answer" as to why webos ported to android would be harder than thought , found this post on the 'WebOSnation.com' forums
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A lot for the following depends on the device in question. If it's older and shares a LOT of components and the chipset as an existing webOS device, this will be far less painful. If it's a current device or something in the future, this is gonna get VERY costly and painful.
1. Time. Unless you aren't married and have no children, you probably don't have enough. Exceptions apply.
2. Money. To buy devices to test from, with knowledge you'll brick many along the way.
3. Intimate knowledge of the OS being ported.
4. Intimate knowledge of the various hardware architectures being ported to.
5. The know-how to port webOS to entirely new CPU/GPU chipsets as necessary.
6. Intimate knowledge of UX/Interaction Design to change interface metaphors if the target device(s) don't support it.
7. Hardware device driver development knowledge to support novel hardware components.
8. The ability to get spec sheets directly from the manufacturer (often from China) if they don't exist online.
9. The ability to execute on all of the above in a near-flawless manner.
10. Further time to ensure all of the above are updated as necessary.
A person that can do this as a career can make around $250,000-$350,000 a year if they can do it single-handedly, and I know of no-one who can in a vacuum. It takes an entire team with their own specializations working in tandem to do it unless you want the first release on the initial device target to fall somewhere in 2018.
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MoPhoACTV Initiative
Anyone know if sideloading the Ubuntu Developer Preview would work with CWM on our phone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBJ7U3omGps
We need to get a working CM build before we can do that. Currently, the N4 and GN builds are using a CM kernel as a base for the Ubuntu Dev preview. Theoretically, we can build something that boots (since we do have a booting CM build) it would lack a ton of things though such as voice and data.
If someone knows a bit more info, feel free to correct me.
The developer preview is limited in these functionalities anyway as far as I'm aware
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The developer preview is limited in these functionalities anyway as far as I'm aware
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It has no cdma or LTE compatibility as of now. Gsm only. There is an extensive list of known issues. Its pretty sweet though. Got it on my nexus 7.
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I think the dev preview is only for the nexus products for now. They will come out with more support later.
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I think the dev preview is only for the nexus products for now. They will come out with more support later.
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They have instructions for porting it to any device.
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to my knowledge the preview doesn't even have mobile data functionality for gsm for now its only wifi, text and calls
After watching several videos on Ubuntu, I'm both excited to try it, and little confused. In almost all videos, it looks almost exactly like Android. The task bar looks the same, it pulls down the same way, the icons look basically the same.
Don't get me wrong, I love having options, but it doesn't seem to be very unique.
Any thoughts on this?
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After watching several videos on Ubuntu, I'm both excited to try it, and little confused. In almost all videos, it looks almost exactly like Android. The task bar looks the same, it pulls down the same way, the icons look basically the same.
Don't get me wrong, I love having options, but it doesn't seem to be very unique.
Any thoughts on this?
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There are several differences. First of all, the thing you will most readily notice is that there are not button/hardware or otherwise for the ubuntu phone OS, it uses gestures similar to the blackberry 10 OS. In some instances this is better at other times, it is nice to have a button. In the long term, your benefit will be the ability to have a larger screen on a smaller device since you won't have to have a longer device to accomadate the buttons.
From a more technical standpoint, using pure linux removes some of the more contentious parts of android like the use of Java. Some of which may provide a faster user experience on the same hardware if Ubuntu can manage to ditch xorg. You could also, argue that the app availability and scalability of ubuntu is greater than android. In other words, soon you'll be able to walk around with a linux device that you can plug into a monitor and blu-tooth keyboard and have a full fledge desktop all from the same hardware -- Carry one device - access it anywhere and in whatever capacity you need it at that time.
Put it on my galaxy nexus it's not really all that it is fun to play with but I had problems with calls. DNA is much better but stock android will make this the best device all day. If only it had the front stereo speakers powered by beats this phone would never need to be upgraded
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It has no cdma or LTE compatibility as of now. Gsm only. There is an extensive list of known issues. Its pretty sweet though. Got it on my nexus 7.
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And how do you feel about it so far? Been thinking about doing the same thing with my N7..... but not having the ability to use my already purchased apps and what not is deterring me at the moment.
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And how do you feel about it so far? Been thinking about doing the same thing with my N7..... but not having the ability to use my already purchased apps and what not is deterring me at the moment.
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I love the look of ubuntu as an OS, and this kind if follows suit. It is buggy as hell though. I no longer am using it. Its fun to tinker with but that's about it.
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I love the look of ubuntu as an OS, and this kind if follows suit. It is buggy as hell though. I no longer am using it. Its fun to tinker with but that's about it.
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I guess we'll have to see when it stabilizes whether it's worthy of replacing OG Android