Hi,
When I played with the note the first time, I noticed all the crapware and the lag, but I figured I would just root it, get rid of that and have the same experience as my nexus one but faster and better.
Is there actually a way to do this with the note? For example, I've noticed people install other launchers from the market for a better experience than touchwiz. I tried a couple and found them inferior to what was on my nexus one. I also think the browser, the texting app and other things are way better on the nexus one.
How do I just get the generic android versions of these things? (not install other stuff from the market)
Thanks!
I believe what you are referring to is AOSP or basically vanilla android. Unfortunately you would have to wait for CM9 or ICS to come to the GNote.
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Lets assume that you cant change ROM on this phone. Would you still buy it if you have to stick with TouchWiz and the rest of Samsung's software? Or to put it like this: how good is software on this phone?
I really like touchwiz tbh, I've read some touchwiz hate and I'm really not sure why, it's quite nice. Almost as good as sense IMO. I've only a few niggles with touchwiz. But yeah if I couldn't change it (which i probably wont) i'd still get the phone.
I would agree, especially considering that changing the launcher (to ADW Launcher EX in my case) and keyboard (Gingerbread) are only a few market downloads away. I really despise the TouchWiz Launcher - and rest of the TouchWiz software is okay or easily supplanted as well.
I will probably switch to a "pure" Android ROM in the future, but even if none shows up - I'll be fine as I am now, with some Market-downloads, not even rooted.
I would definitively buy this phone again, coming from a Nexus One I really love the speed and form factor. TouchWiz won't stand in your way if you don't want it to.
I'm using Korean version of SGS2(SHW-M250S, GINGERBREAD.EL21), and I have few questions about ICS.
First question : I could find leaked ICS roms for GT-I9100, but I couldn't find for mine. Is there any roms for SHW-M250S? Or can I just install GT-i9100 firmware on my SGS2?
Second question : what is advantages of ICS compared to Gingerbread?
Thanks for reading and please let me know if you know something about them.
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don't know about first, but as for the second, ICS is a WAY better OS than gingerbread. due to hardware acceleration and much better multicore support its a lot faster, has tons of great new UI improvements (see any galaxy nexus video) including the best multitasking support of any android version yet, and lots of extra goodies like face unlock and cellular data managers.
I can't answer your first question, but as a 2 month long owner of the Galaxy Nexus, I will say that ICS is leagues ahead of Gingerbread. As I'm sure you've heard, ICS is "faster" and "more efficient," but when I think about it the speed is not what really hits home for me. The whole OS and set of default apps are so thoughtfully designed now. I used to try and replace all of the stock apps with market apps like Dolphin Browser and Go SMS, but now the stock apps are (in my opinion) the best out there. I think that the stock launcher, sms app and browser are probably the biggest reasons to switch.
That said, the development world hasn't yet made the jump to ICS, so you aren't missing out on man market apps by not being on ICS. It is my hope that we'll see more of a push for ICS app support.
Thanks for replies! I will try flashing it.
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dont even try that you would only have a $500 DLLS Toy it will brick your phone in every way and wait they have different Modems, Kernels etc
i flashed ICS to my gt-i9100m on the Bell network in canada. little glitchy at the start, but now the only function that doesn't work is the GPS.. had to expect something wouldnt work...
Hi,
Just curious about some opinions. I have downloaded and used the ICS for Evo 3D (the version just prior to Joel's last upload), and really liked it. I especially loved the fast web browsing.
But I've been running the Xplode XE 3D by Team Nocturnal and everything on the phone works, beautiful look to it, etc.
The web browsing is not as fast, but the battery life seems better.
My question is, other than:
1. The novelty of something new
2. The desire to use the "latest"
What are some other reasons that might be argued for the superiority of ICS?
rcaldw said:
Hi,
Just curious about some opinions. I have downloaded and used the ICS for Evo 3D (the version just prior to Joel's last upload), and really liked it. I especially loved the fast web browsing.
But I've been running the Xplode XE 3D by Team Nocturnal and everything on the phone works, beautiful look to it, etc.
The web browsing is not as fast, but the battery life seems better.
My question is, other than:
1. The novelty of something new
2. The desire to use the "latest"
What are some other reasons that might be argued for the superiority of ICS?
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Use what you like. It's your phone, own it. Don't let us tell you what to run.
But ICS here isn't complete, so that isn't exactly a fair comparison yet. There are many many new features to ICS besides the interface. Things such as face unlock (when camera works), managing your data usage, hardware acceleration - just to name a few. Perhaps you should look up all ICS has to offer, there are tons of sources that share what's new. I can't remember everything and there's just too much to type up here.
Thank you. I wasn't looking for anyone to tell me what to run. But I WAS looking for what you gave me in your post. Just a brief set of a few reasons why one might want to go with ICS. I appreciate it.
Google "ICS vs gingerbread"
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I used a nexus s for a bit with ics. The only thing I miss is the better keyboard and much better voice to text. Everything else was forgettable, and honestly the browser was WORSE because it works like the iPhone in that it zooms but doesn't reformat the text. The way it works with GB is far better.
You're not missing much with GB, I'm in no rush to get it. I just want a good AOSP ROM regardless what release it is
I absolutely adore ICS. I cant bring myself to go back to gingerbread. I think asop gb is ugly now that I've gotten used to ics, its just much prettier! Im also very happy to be rid of Android green. Otherwise I personally feel ICS is a much better OS, especially under the hood, its quick, smooth, and better thought out all around. And once you get used to the keyboard its fantastic, and the text prediction and spell check is the best I've used, i love the keyboard.
Saneless One said:
I used a nexus s for a bit with ics. The only thing I miss is the better keyboard and much better voice to text. Everything else was forgettable, and honestly the browser was WORSE because it works like the iPhone in that it zooms but doesn't reformat the text. The way it works with GB is far better.
You're not missing much with GB, I'm in no rush to get it. I just want a good AOSP ROM regardless what release it is
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The text reflow is a sense browser thing
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The text reflowed on my nexus one and nexus s on stock and cyanogenmod roms for 2.3, so it's definitely not just a sense thing
Reflow worked for me in ICS. I had no problems. Did you use the Chrome beta?
So I've seen this word thrown around a lot since switching to Android from my old iPhail 3G (yes, I actually lived with that horrible laggy device for ~4 years) and in comparisons between Android and iOS (which I'm not trying to get into here). I've also read lots of people saying Jelly Bean was supposed to be 'snappier' compared to ICS. I wasn't sure if they were referring to lag as in fps or a delay in reaction. My Note II is currently stock 4.1.1, but I'm definitely noticing some delay in games, such as Air Hockey, between moving my finger on the screen and the paddle moving in the game, for example. It's quite noticeable in apps like Maps too. I had the Galaxy S III for a short time before I decided I wanted the bigger (and better specs) Note II, but not long enough to make any comparisons. My question is, is there a way to increase the snappyness without doing anything too dramatic, such as flashing a different ROM, etc. Or will a ROM like beanstown106's Jelly Beans help? Or is this a problem that is inherently part of Android operating system/devices? Thanks in advance.
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will a ROM like beanstown106's Jelly Beans help? .
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I can tell you that flashing beans ROM made absolutely no speed difference whatever over my previous debloated/rooted stock ROM (and I didn't really expect it to)
One thing is, it is noticeably laggy when running the inferno galaxy live wallpaper, but pretty much instant response with regular WP.
The "snappieness" in individual apps is really down to the app itself combined with phone specs.
Poorly coded apps may have lag.
High end apps may push the hardware harder and cause lag.
I would bet its mostly the former when it comes to the Note 2.
Samsung also put touchwiz on these phones, which does affect overall performance to some degree. If we get the ability to remove much of it in favor of AOSP versions, then it should perform a little better overall.
The differences between iPhones and Android... is that Apple focuses on user interaction over all other things. So this means they will sacrifice performance in other areas to ensure that user interactions are kept smooth, or at least keep the appearance of smoothness. For example, iOS will stop loading web pages when you start to scroll the screen, so the CPU can focus on smooth scrolling. This means that the page will never finish loading if you keep scrolling around on the screen. Android does not do this or these kind of things. The new "project butter" implemented in JB is designed to help smooth out the interface and user interactions, without sacrificing performance in other areas. Its not perfect though, and it requires good specs and more power than the iOS way of "one thing at a time".
Great response ty very much. I guess next question is will we be able to get those AOSP versions later on or are we SOL in that department?
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Depends on which version you have.
I am on Verizon, so my device is locked down, other versions are not.
This device is also unique in the fact it has a Wacom stylus and functionality, so that must be considered.
Often times, you can swap things out without too much issue. AOSP lockscreen instead of touchwiz lockscreen... AOSP launcher instead of touchwiz launcher... without too much trouble. Problem is, underneath the ROM is still touchwiz... or at least that is how it worked on HTC Sense phones. (this is my first touchwiz device) HTC do a lot of work to the underlying framework which meant wholesale replacement of everything wasn't possible, so it depends on how much Samsung changed Android to put touchwiz on it.
Basically they "DE-Touchwiz" the phone and do some background tweaks for added performance, plus they "de-bloat the ROM. (they remove all the unnecessary crap that the carriers and Samsung put in, that served them some benefit, but not benefit the users) The advantage of this method is that you can keep much of the functionality of the stylus.
Another method is to use a ROM based on stock, but tweaked and de-bloated. This usually retains all the functionality of the device as it came out of the box... but the performance is usually only a little better than stock, and less than one where the AOSP stuff has been put in. This method does allow you to keep most of the stylus functionality.
As far as straight up custom ROMs based on AOSP...
They usually offer the best performance for a given device, having no extra crap, and being tweaked for performance... But you will lose most if not all the stylus functionality. Some ROMs may have limited stylus functionality, but they have to put that in themselves, meaning more work on their part.
As far as performance gains... I can only speak of HTC Sense devices with sureness. Where pure AOSP usually had significant improvements to performance/battery life. (mostly due to how extensive Sense is, touchwiz may be better in this regaurd) "De-sensed" ROMs where they removed all of the Sense stuff they could and replaced with AOSP equivalents, had good performance increases. "De-bloated" and tweaked but otherwise stock ROMs had some improvement.
But as was said, the stylus functionality is something that must be considered when looking at ROMs
After using AOSP ROMs quite extensively in both of my two Galaxy 3s, I have no desire whatever to run those type ROMs in my Note 2 (and lose things like pen functionality).
I could never see any performance difference whatever (except maybe in useless benchmarks) between a completely debloated TW ROM with all the features working perfectly and a buggy AOSP ROM in my G3s (and I tried every G3 ROM available at least twice).
Posters where constantly claiming this ROM is PERFECT when discussing any AOSP ROM but two posts later someone else would post "can anybody get NFL Mobile to work??" The next post would say "that has never worked in AOSP but I never use it anyway so who cares........"
Good call. I'd rather keep most functionality
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You could go into a store and try some of those games out on a DNA. Hopefully some are free so you don't have to put your google account in the play store and then clear the data. The DNA's gpu is much faster. It sounds like it's the app coding though. I don't have any input lag with on screen buttons playing GTA or N64oid, and emulators are pretty heavy on the processor.
My only Android experience has been pure Android on Nexus devices (not including briefly playing with friend's Moto, Samsungs and HTCs).
I'm currently on a N4 and contemplating getting the One. Having never even seen it in person, I'm sold on the hardware.
It's the software I'm worried about. I am running custom AOSP ROMs and kernels based on 4.2.2 but mostly keeping it close to stock.
How has the adjustment to Sense and Blinkfeed been?
Install Nova or Apex lancher and a settings toggle app from the play store and you won't notice TOO much difference.
Was on the nexus 4i have no regrets
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blahblahyoutoo said:
My only Android experience has been pure Android on Nexus devices (not including briefly playing with friend's Moto, Samsungs and HTCs).
I'm currently on a N4 and contemplating getting the One. Having never even seen it in person, I'm sold on the hardware.
It's the software I'm worried about. I am running custom AOSP ROMs and kernels based on 4.2.2 but mostly keeping it close to stock.
How has the adjustment to Sense and Blinkfeed been?
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I got the one on Saturday from best buy with intentions on trading it out for the s4 upon release. I'm keeping it. I just really like the device. I'm still keeping my Nexus 4 though.
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blahblahyoutoo said:
My only Android experience has been pure Android on Nexus devices (not including briefly playing with friend's Moto, Samsungs and HTCs).
I'm currently on a N4 and contemplating getting the One. Having never even seen it in person, I'm sold on the hardware.
It's the software I'm worried about. I am running custom AOSP ROMs and kernels based on 4.2.2 but mostly keeping it close to stock.
How has the adjustment to Sense and Blinkfeed been?
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I have REAL issues with TouchWiz and the Galaxy phones so much that I have to immediately put CM10 or something on it. However, with the One I don't feel the need AT ALL. It's flat, nicely designed. Nothing is there for fluff really. Icons even look great. Heck, I'm still just running the stock Sense launcher too. I have no inklings to go back to the Nexus 4. However, I am keeping it (for the time being) until at least Google I/O, because I'm sure I'll get an itch once we see KLP.
Not quite an Nexus device but..
I came from a HOX with AOKP 4.2.2 by Rohan, so take this for what it is I guess. I actually like Sense 5 a lot compared to Sense 4. HTC did a good job keeping this "close" to stock Android this time. It's pretty snappy and I haven't really thought about AOSP other than the fact that Sense5 as of current is based on 4.1.2 and I came from 4.2.2. I'm missing my lock screen widgets and quick tiles/notifications
Other than that, I haven't really looked back as of yet.
i was on the nexus 4, i did some clean up on the UI of the HTC one and love it now. The double battery life is better too.