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Just what the title says, opinions? I have had the 3d for the weekend pretty much and it is ok, but some things I am finding out about it are lacking. The 3d camera is nice, but what would I really use it for? To me its almost just a, ' Hey look at my cool camera' type gimmick.
What are some of your guys' thoughts on the Epic/Nexus, or how about the Photon, I think the Photon actually looks pretty cool and I would have my kickstand back.
Thoughts? Please be as detailed as possible, would be appreciated.
Thanks
I can't really give any opinion on the Photon as it's not out yet, but the Evo 3D is well ahead of both the Epic and the Nexus S in terms of hardware. I currently have an Evo 4G and owned an Epic for a while before I got fed up with it and gave it to my wife so I could get my Evo back. I suppose it all depends on what you intend to do with your phone, but the current Samsung offerings aren't in the same league as the Evo 3D. It has a higher res screen, a faster clock speed, twice as many cores, and twice as much RAM.
Between Sprint giving me my original Sprint Premier early upgrade back for the EVO 3D launch, and Target giving me $150 trade it, total out of pocket cost to upgrade was just $68 and adding a year to my contract.
It's also a big plus that HTC will OFFICIALLY be permitting root. I know at least one dev (I forget which it was) has a 3D in hand. So, there ought to be lots of non-Sprint options.
So far my only complaint is that the colors on the screen seem faded. Like a cloudy day. Not the end of the world, but I wouldn't have liked a better/brighter screen. (Not the AMOLED one though, those are too saturated. Like looking inside a fish tank.)
I currently have the epic and evo 3d as my daily phones and i can tell you to avoid the epic like the plague....i have had software problems from phone ramdomly exiting applications to slow laggy perfromance on almost everything except gaming. I have had my epic since release and will never purchase a samsung phone again...their hardware is usually incrementally better than the competition but their software implementation leaves much to be desired, which makes superior hardware null at best. The feel of the evo 3d in hand really makes it feel like you are holding something premium in your hand...im sure the sgs2 will follow the same lead with hardware being better, but i have no faith in their ability to deliver on thevsoftware front........i bet the evo 3d will get ice cream sandwich before the sgs2 at least by 6 months.
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I currently have the epic and evo 3d as my daily phones and i can tell you to avoid the epic like the plague....i have had software problems from phone ramdomly exiting applications to slow laggy perfromance on almost everything except gaming. I have had my epic since release and will never purchase a samsung phone again...their hardware is usually incrementally better than the competition but their software implementation leaves much to be desired, which makes superior hardware null at best. The feel of the evo 3d in hand really makes it feel like you are holding something premium in your hand...im sure the sgs2 will follow the same lead with hardware being better, but i have no faith in their ability to deliver on thevsoftware front........i bet the evo 3d will get ice cream sandwich before the sgs2 at least by 6 months.
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I pretty much agree with both of these guys. Consider that the 3d has had 3 OTAs to fix "bugs" and it's only been a week. The hold up for Gingerbread to show up on the Evo 4G was more due to the fact that the Nexus S was the only device allowed to have Gingerbread for a certain period of time as per Google. As soon as that time frame was up, HTC and Motorola both had Gingerbread for their flagship phones... The Epic and some other Galaxy S phones are still waiting.
I think HTC and Motorola are sharing the title of "King of the Hill" when it comes to android phones. I personally like HTC's hardware better. They both have provided similar (i.e. good) support to their user community. Motorola's success I attribute to the "Droid" marketing campaign by Verizon, but they have backed that up with action and performance. Will have to see how the Photon pans out, though.
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the 3d has had 3 OTAs to fix "bugs" and it's only been a week.
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The phone has only been "officially" out for 4 days, not even a week yet. HTC seems to be working hard to keep the bugs to a minimum (of course opening up the bootloader is another thing entirely).
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I pretty much agree with both of these guys. Consider that the 3d has had 3 OTAs to fix "bugs" and it's only been a week. The hold up for Gingerbread to show up on the Evo 4G was more due to the fact that the Nexus S was the only device allowed to have Gingerbread for a certain period of time as per Google. As soon as that time frame was up, HTC and Motorola both had Gingerbread for their flagship phones... The Epic and some other Galaxy S phones are still waiting.
I think HTC and Motorola are sharing the title of "King of the Hill" when it comes to android phones. I personally like HTC's hardware better. They both have provided similar (i.e. good) support to their user community. Motorola's success I attribute to the "Droid" marketing campaign by Verizon, but they have backed that up with action and performance. Will have to see how the Photon pans out, though.
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I tend to agree with everyone here for the most part, although the Photon looks pretty sick imo. I do like HTC better but we are not 100% sure that the 3d will be rooted yet are we? I have seen conflicting results. The specs on the Photon seem a bit better than the 3d in some aspects. As far as the other two go I won't get either of those. It would only be between the Photon and this 3d right now.
On a better note I don't understand why people had to pay for their 3d's, makes me feel good. I didn't pay a dime, just gave them my EVO back and dude gave me the 3d. Even got my girl her first smartphone, the LG optimus, decent unit also for absolutely nothing. Guess it helps when the manager at that store wants to keep your business. Not to mention a free screen protector and case.
Lucky I guess.
Very curious about the Photon. Has intrigued my interest.
Thanks for everyone's input.
So I found out what I'm going to do, and the manager actually suggested I do this. Basically I am going to wait for the release date to be announced as far as the photon goes. Hopefully it is within my 30 day trial for my 3d, if it isn't, on the 28th day of my trial I will be taking my 3d in and getting another 3d therefore resetting my 30 day time period, then once I get the photon if I don't like it I will just switch back to the 3d.
So it's looking like a win win here.
Just posted this so that other people can do it if they so choose.
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So I found out what I'm going to do, and the manager actually suggested I do this. Basically I am going to wait for the release date to be announced as far as the photon goes. Hopefully it is within my 30 day trial for my 3d, if it isn't, on the 28th day of my trial I will be taking my 3d in and getting another 3d therefore resetting my 30 day time period, then once I get the photon if I don't like it I will just switch back to the 3d.
So it's looking like a win win here.
Just posted this so that other people can do it if they so choose.
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I thought you could only do the 30 day exchange once?
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So I found out what I'm going to do, and the manager actually suggested I do this. Basically I am going to wait for the release date to be announced as far as the photon goes. Hopefully it is within my 30 day trial for my 3d, if it isn't, on the 28th day of my trial I will be taking my 3d in and getting another 3d therefore resetting my 30 day time period, then once I get the photon if I don't like it I will just switch back to the 3d.
So it's looking like a win win here.
Just posted this so that other people can do it if they so choose.
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You can only do the exchange once per ugrade... and you can't do it on the same phone. You can get a replacement if there's a problem, but you can't just exchange for one of the same thing. You can return it, but then if you get another 3D, you won't get another 30 day grace-period.
Either they lied to you to get you to shut up and buy the phone, or that manager is an idiot.
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So I found out what I'm going to do, and the manager actually suggested I do this. Basically I am going to wait for the release date to be announced as far as the photon goes. Hopefully it is within my 30 day trial for my 3d, if it isn't, on the 28th day of my trial I will be taking my 3d in and getting another 3d therefore resetting my 30 day time period, then once I get the photon if I don't like it I will just switch back to the 3d.
So it's looking like a win win here.
Just posted this so that other people can do it if they so choose.
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im pretty sure exchanging doesn't reset your 30-day
what would keep people from endlessly exchanging after 28 days to keep their return window?
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You can only do the exchange once per ugrade... and you can't do it on the same phone. You can get a replacement if there's a problem, but you can't just exchange for one of the same thing. You can return it, but then if you get another 3D, you won't get another 30 day grace-period.
Either they lied to you to get you to shut up and buy the phone, or that manager is an idiot.
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No, I know the manager. I know he isn't lying, and maybe you 'can't' do it normally but he is doing it for me. Think what you will.
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No, I know the manager. I know he isn't lying, and maybe you 'can't' do it normally but he is doing it for me. Think what you will.
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Well when he loses his job, feel free to pay his rent for him. You can return the phone for any reason within 30 days, but you can't just keep exchanging. I'm sure that will throw a flag up in Sprint's database real quick.
If you get away with it, all the more power to you... but if you get stuck with a phone that you don't actually want because you're trying to leapfrog a free ticket and your friend ends up jobless... it's your own fault.
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Well when he loses his job, feel free to pay his rent for him. You can return the phone for any reason within 30 days, but you can't just keep exchanging. I'm sure that will throw a flag up in Sprint's database real quick.
If you get away with it, all the more power to you... but if you get stuck with a phone that you don't actually want because you're trying to leapfrog a free ticket and your friend ends up jobless... it's your own fault.
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Actually I just got off the phone with Sprint and the process is allowed, to a certain extent. Not sure why your so mad, but to each their own. Why would I pay someone's rent for someone? That has nothing to do with anything, and I doubt he is going to do something like that if it would cost him his job. Get real.
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Actually I just got off the phone with Sprint and the process is allowed, to a certain extent. Not sure why your so mad, but to each their own. Why would I pay someone's rent for someone? That has nothing to do with anything, and I doubt he is going to do something like that if it would cost him his job. Get real.
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I'm not mad about anything, just pointing out that doing something sneaky and underhanded like allowing someone to leapfrog their contract and 30 day return is a good way for someone to lose their job.
Apparently you didn't get what I meant by paying his rent... I guess I have to type things very literally so it doesn't go over people's heads. If he loses his job, he won't have any money. If he doesn't have money, he can't pay rent. If he can't pay rent because he lost his job for you... then it goes back to what I said before.
If it were allowed at all, nobody would ever be locked into a contract, because we'd all just keep leapfrogging our phones around every 30 days to something else, or even the same thing.
Anyway, pick which phone you want, it's all up to personal preference. I got my EVO 3D because it's the EVO's big brother (shouldn't say that, someone might not understand...). Alright, it's the EVO's successor, so it was a logical choice for me because of how well my EVO has treated me. Don't let everyone else decide which phone you should get, you're the one that will be using it.
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I'm not mad about anything, just pointing out that doing something sneaky and underhanded like allowing someone to leapfrog their contract and 30 day return is a good way for someone to lose their job.
Apparently you didn't get what I meant by paying his rent... I guess I have to type things very literally so it doesn't go over people's heads. If he loses his job, he won't have any money. If he doesn't have money, he can't pay rent. If he can't pay rent because he lost his job for you... then it goes back to what I said before.
If it were allowed at all, nobody would ever be locked into a contract, because we'd all just keep leapfrogging our phones around every 30 days to something else, or even the same thing.
Anyway, pick which phone you want, it's all up to personal preference. I got my EVO 3D because it's the EVO's big brother (shouldn't say that, someone might not understand...). Alright, it's the EVO's successor, so it was a logical choice for me because of how well my EVO has treated me. Don't let everyone else decide which phone you should get, you're the one that will be using it.
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Oh I get it, you're just an asshole. Thanks for sharing. Go be a douche somewhere else. Every single thing you said had no bearing on my question. I didn't say it was the honorable thing to do, but hey, if I can do I am going to do it. I have a feeling that if you could do it, you would to. So get off your high horse there chump.
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Oh I get it, you're just an asshole. Thanks for sharing. Go be a douche somewhere else. Every single thing you said had no bearing on my question. I didn't say it was the honorable thing to do, but hey, if I can do I am going to do it. I have a feeling that if you could do it, you would to. So get off your high horse there chump.
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There are no needs for insults my friend. Let's keep the peace!
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There are no needs for insults my friend. Let's keep the peace!
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I find what he said more insulting. I will speak my peace, thank you.
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Actually I just got off the phone with Sprint and the process is allowed, to a certain extent. Not sure why your so mad, but to each their own. Why would I pay someone's rent for someone? That has nothing to do with anything, and I doubt he is going to do something like that if it would cost him his job. Get real.
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Well damn if that's the case, then I'm gonna have a brand new EVO 3D every 29 days now!
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Oh I get it, you're just an asshole. Thanks for sharing. Go be a douche somewhere else. Every single thing you said had no bearing on my question. I didn't say it was the honorable thing to do, but hey, if I can do I am going to do it. I have a feeling that if you could do it, you would to. So get off your high horse there chump.
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1: I am an asshole
2: I wouldn't do what you're doing, as I get a phone that I want, I don't need the next best thing every month. I got the 3D as my phone for the next year at least, regardless of the other phones that are around the corner
3: Pick a phone that's good for you, but because you obviously need the biggest ego around, keep trying to hop around to make sure you have the best phone possible. The 3D section of XDA doesn't need you here, good luck on the Nexus S, Epic, or Photon boards...
My upgrade is due next week, and I've been researching this phone like crazy in the past 2 months, constantly checking back here and reading posts. i know all the issues, screen bleeding, camera flash issue, multitouch points etc, and they do not really bother me. i was playing with the galaxy nexus and ICS runs INSANELY smooth and snappy, i was wondering when CM9 is available, will it be that responsive and smooth? Im on Tmobile USA right now and i could get the amaze for 230.00 with a contract, or i can fork out 600.00 for a galaxy nexus. i Do beleive the amaze is an all around better phone, camera, build quality, and so on. But im worried how well ICS run on it. i like options, for example, galaxy nexus will have ICS, thats it, the amaze i could flash between sense roms and ICS (when its available)
BTW, im coming from a tmobile G2. Im a huge fan of xboarder's work, Super excited to see him on the amaze forums.
any suggestions and comments would be greatly appreciated, i need your thoughts and opinions, i apologize for the long rant also.
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My upgrade is due next week, and I've been researching this phone like crazy in the past 2 months, constantly checking back here and reading posts. i know all the issues, screen bleeding, camera flash issue, multitouch points etc, and they do not really bother me. i was playing with the galaxy nexus and ICS runs INSANELY smooth and snappy, i was wondering when CM9 is available, will it be that responsive and smooth? Im on Tmobile USA right now and i could get the amaze for 230.00 with a contract, or i can fork out 600.00 for a galaxy nexus. i Do beleive the amaze is an all around better phone, camera, build quality, and so on. But im worried how well ICS run on it. i like options, for example, galaxy nexus will have ICS, thats it, the amaze i could flash between sense roms and ICS (when its available)
BTW, im coming from a tmobile G2. Im a huge fan of xboarder's work, Super excited to see him on the amaze forums.
any suggestions and comments would be greatly appreciated, i need your thoughts and opinions, i apologize for the long rant also.
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dont worry about ics man i will make it run great if its aosp or sense with sense removed
sounds promising to me man, will be getting the amaze 4G on friday then, much props to you for your hard work. the G2 Forums miss you =P lol
i just dont wanna regret signing a contract for 2 years, then something else comes out in a few months
Well you don't have to worry too much about the Amaze being outdated in a couple years... I'd say in terms of hardware, the device is high-end enough to hold its own against the oncoming handsets
Traded my Samsung GN for the Amaze and am much happier with it.
HTC Amaze is the next generation phone. How many phones on the market right now come with NFC (Near Field Communication)? Hahahaha
Amaze all the way ....
Fuego I'm in the same boat ur in
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sounds promising to me man, will be getting the amaze 4G on friday then, much props to you for your hard work. the G2 Forums miss you =P lol
i just dont wanna regret signing a contract for 2 years, then something else comes out in a few months
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If you have problems with it or want the latest greatest, you always have warrenty to exchange up
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i just dont wanna regret signing a contract for 2 years, then something else comes out in a few months
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If you think like this, you will never upgrade. At the rate that technology advances, a technically superior device is always going to be "just around the corner." Just continue to do your research, make a choice, and enjoy it.
im not worried about it getting outdated, I'm worried it'll get outdated too quickly. 2-3 months is quick for me but anything frm 4-6 months is reasonable. And thanks to u guys I will be gettingthe amaze next week. Im putting my money on the devs on this one, I know you guys won't disappoint
And the "lack of" development doesn't bother me either. Quality over quantity, rather have 6 superior roms over 20 mediocre ones
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im not worried about it getting outdated, I'm worried it'll get outdated too quickly. 2-3 months is quick for me but anything frm 4-6 months is reasonable. And thanks to u guys I will be gettingthe amaze next week. Im putting my money on the devs on this one, I know you guys won't disappoint
And the "lack of" development doesn't bother me either. Quality over quantity, rather have 6 superior roms over 20 mediocre ones
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i wont disapoint
I've certainly given up hope. Sad though, this is a great phone, but looks like it's going to be another failed "in-between" device for developers.
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I've certainly given up hope. Sad though, this is a great phone, but looks like it's going to be another failed "in-between" device for developers.
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all im saying is people dont know the half of what goes on behind the scenes. myself included. just because people aren't on here every 10 minutes giving updates of everything that goes on does not mean progress has not, and is not, being made.
kernel issues are being worked on, even without official HTC source.
just relax. stop reading the forums every half hour. it'll make the wait easier.
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all im saying is people dont know the half of what goes on behind the scenes. myself included. just because people aren't on here every 10 minutes giving updates of everything that goes on does not mean progress has not, and is not, being made.
kernel issues are being worked on, even without official HTC source.
just relax. stop reading the forums every half hour. it'll make the wait easier.
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I've certainly given up hope. Sad though, this is a great phone, but looks like it's going to be another failed "in-between" device for developers.
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dude, come on. you post once a week about how you're either sick of this phone because it'll never run AOKP or that you've given up hope on AOKP. enough is enough. if you don't like the god damn phone because it runs sense, go buy a ****ing nexus.
...So let me get this straight, you're complaining about a frivolous issue when our source for ICS hasn't dropped? I'll laugh when you have a different phone, we get source, and the development section explodes.
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dude, come on. you post once a week about how you're either sick of this phone because it'll never run AOKP or that you've given up hope on AOKP. enough is enough. if you don't like the god damn phone because it runs sense, go buy a ****ing nexus.
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In the midst of doing that right now, thank you very much.
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...So let me get this straight, you're complaining about a frivolous issue when our source for ICS hasn't dropped? I'll laugh when you have a different phone, we get source, and the development section explodes.
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I hope you're right...I truly do, because I like the phone.
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dude, come on. you post once a week about how you're either sick of this phone because it'll never run AOKP or that you've given up hope on AOKP. enough is enough. if you don't like the god damn phone because it runs sense, go buy a ****ing nexus.
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This is so true. Why in the WORLD did you buy an HTC phone that you know runs sense when you DON'T want sense? Nothing is a given. I remember my 1st android phone was an Eris, and one time a leak came out, and the people who flashed it were STUCK. For the LONGEST TIME! Could not go up, down, were totally stuck on the leak. Things happen, and sometimes, things DON'T happen.
I want AOSP too. But not because I don't like sense, otherwise I would not have gotten the Rezound. I like options, that's all.
Lesson? Don't buy an HTC phone if you don't like sense. Simple as that.
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This is so true. Why in the WORLD did you buy an HTC phone that you know runs sense when you DON'T want sense? Nothing is a given. I remember my 1st android phone was an Eris, and one time a leak came out, and the people who flashed it were STUCK. For the LONGEST TIME! Could not go up, down, were totally stuck on the leak. Things happen, and sometimes, things DON'T happen.
I want AOSP too. But not because I don't like sense, otherwise I would not have gotten the Rezound. I like options, that's all.
Lesson? Don't buy an HTC phone if you don't like sense. Simple as that.
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At least he's not an EVO 3D owner that flashed the Virgin Mobile leak that "locked" their phones.
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all im saying is people dont know the half of what goes on behind the scenes. myself included. just because people aren't on here every 10 minutes giving updates of everything that goes on does not mean progress has not, and is not, being made.
kernel issues are being worked on, even without official HTC source.
just relax. stop reading the forums every half hour. it'll make the wait easier.
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+1 as well.
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At least he's not an EVO 3D owner that flashed the Virgin Mobile leak that "locked" their phones.
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Yeah at least my Eris still worked. There were some crappy side effects but in the end it functioned. I'll never forget sitting in the #Eris IRC room with zifnab, justincase/teamandirc and beesley trying to figure out WTF to do and how screwed I was.
Just saying. Could be a lot worse.
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Yeah at least my Eris still worked. There were some crappy side effects but in the end it functioned. I'll never forget sitting in the #Eris IRC room with zifnab, justincase/teamandirc and beesley trying to figure out WTF to do and how screwed I was.
Just saying. Could be a lot worse.
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Very true.
I still don't understand why you had me help you through the Stock to S-OFF, ICS Firmware, Custom rom process if you were gonna return it again.
And in my own defense (not that y'all will accept any). LOL
This is my FIRST Android. I'm coming from a JB iPhone for about 4 years and with it being ONE device there was CONSTANT development. So forgive me for seeming a tad impatient. I AM! ROFL
I appreciate all the development and love updates and feedback. BUT, per all you fine gentleman I'll either get a Nexus or shut the fu*k up and wait until the source code for ICS is released.
****CRAWLING BACK UNDER MY ROCK NOW****
ROFL!
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I still don't understand why you had me help you through the Stock to S-OFF, ICS Firmware, Custom rom process if you were gonna return it again.
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I'm not returning it...I'm just looking for a second device. I had a warrantied device because of a camera issue so had to walk through all that stuff again.
But I plan on keeping the device even if/when I get the Nexus or SIII or whatever.
I hope it comes. I bought it assuming that it would honestly. I like sense but is bloated so much now. I would rather have more battery and speed that cm would offer. I came from an incredible and had no idea that ril would be a huge obstacle like it is. Oh well live and learn. I have an upgrade coming up anyway so if it doesn't come I may be moving on
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Rather see AOKP.
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Markus?
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I was dying for it because I aways put go launcher on top of sense which made my.phone really laggy specially with a 500 mb or so rpm. Even with Scott's 380 slim and fit de.
Then came newts new release, with a lot of the features go has built in.
Now I could give a ff about aokp. As long as newt is around am at ease.
Sense 4 came a.long way with him. One or more two editions and I see that Rom being the one and only for the rezound.
Don't hold your breath, live with the fact that it will not happen (yay if it does )and work on finding a descent rom that fits ur needs rather than wasting time checking Twitter and xda, work with a specific Rom. Be generous and.patient and polite with your dev and you will reap gold
ask not what your developper can do for you, ask what you can do for you developper.
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Markus?
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That's ****ed up man! ROFL I'm no where near Marcus. LOL
This is absolutely RIDICULOUS, we have been waiting for an entire month for the 1.22 source code but the galaxy note 10.1 has source already AND THE DEVICE DOESN'T COME OUT FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS!!!!! IS IT REALLY THAT HARD FOR HTC TO UPLOAD A 100MB FILE FOR USE TO USE??? It bugs the hell out of me just how little HTC cares about releasing this stuff...
Souce link: http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...te-10-1-kernel-source-weeks-ahead-of-release/
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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exactly! and ive been tempted to get samsung phones after seeing the s2 and s3 but with all the word about their phones being kinda shotty when it comes to build quality i always end up staying htc... its a vicious circle where you can't win
Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
this is the last htc phone im getting
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Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
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or they will release it as soon as they update us to the new update the the one x got
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this is the last htc phone im getting
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i think im going to have to join you on this
This is my first HTC phone... I come from mostly samsung. I will not be getting another htc until they step us... The phone build quality is great but all my phones live in otter cases so that does not matter....
I think I'm going to nexus next.... I like flashing to much for this crap...
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I agree. Really frustrating!
Every time I pose the question on their Facebook it gets deleted almost immediately.
I really don't understand what is going on with HTC these days. They used to be much more responsive to this kind of stuff.
I'm just not sure what to do about it.
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upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d).
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I'm pretty sure that the heavy delay on the ics upgrade for the EVO 3d was on sprints end...especially since the virgin mobile variant received its upgrade quite a bit sooner...but I do wish they'd release source sooner it is annoying but hey I love their devices so I'll stick it out for a while and see if things get better lol
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
I will never go Samsung
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dougm0 said:
I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
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Agreed gps can be a bear with Samsung. Also in almost every modem update its like the first modem they did ever. Better connection, lower battery. Next version bad connection, good battery, rinse, repeat.
Oh and as I have said before. Still waiting on evo 4g 4.67 ota kernel source. Well over gpl time. Now they don't even respond to my requests, at least they used to, until I advised them of the dates... And I'm sorry, 5.07 ota, doesn't qualify as reseting the clock,.
There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
I'd rather put my nuts in a vice than buy a Samsung phone. We have custom kernels that work with the latest ota anyway. HTC for life!
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There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
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no i bought this phone because i had the original evo 4g and loved it more than any other phone, then when i saw this phone i knew i had to get it. i love this phones build quality and the hardware in it but its b.s. that htc will not release source. i don't even care about aosp since sense 4 actually seems like something useful and not crazy bloated like sense 2.0+ i just want some kernels to run on sense so we can get some proper fixings going on instead of modifying the hell out of the old base's source and using every work around in the book to get them to function properly. not to say that the kernels we are starting to see are bad. and the saying "oh should have got a nexus" is bullsh*t if i wanted one i would have got one, but instead i wanted the evo lte and its more up to date and better hardware. if i wanted an already outdated phone i would have just stuck with my original evo. the point is, no matter what phone you buy you SHOULD be able to do what you want with it and you SHOULD be givin the proper code to do it with. and since htc is failing to do this, it is the reason there is a new thread every week complaining about it and they have a damn good reason to do so because this is ridiculous. so if you don't like the threads then tough sh*t because your going to keep seeing them till it drops and it will happen again with the next update. get used to it
Edit: and you can't honestly sit there and say that this isn't completely unnecessary. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SOURCE READY, all they have to do is upload it within a day or 2 of an ota like samsung and people would be happy. and what do they have to lose by releasing it? they already got our money when we bought the phone so what do they care what we do with it?
now lets stop this here, we don't need another thread of keyboard warriors
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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ms:
People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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Yeah, that^.
PsiPhiDan said:
ms:
People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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I agree with you for the most part.
What I disagree on is Sense NOT being toned down and less obtrusive. Sense 4.0 is much better than Sense 3.0 was. It's much smoother, it looks better, and keeps the functionality it needs while not being too bloated like previous versions of Sense were.
What drags the Sense experience down is the memory management, which is lacking. I would argue that is less of an issue with Sense and more of an issue of optimization of memory. I for one never had Sense reloads when I was stock, but then again I was never running a ton of apps at once. All HTC has to do is make the memory management less aggressive and we wouldn't have nearly as many problems.
Sense DOES utilize this phone's hardware very well, and you can see that in how smooth everything is. We just need that memory management worked on. If we had more RAM in the phone it would be PERFECT.
I still don't understand the RAM argument. We aren't even that close to maxing our RAM, so why do we need more? I've been told by people much more informed than me about Android that it utilizes RAM differently than Windows, so 100MB free is no different than 1.1 GB free. I agree with you that the memory management is at fault here, but I think that's the end of the story.
Edit: TouchWiz is much smoother than Sense, and many people had many Sense reloads while stock... I'm not sure I care for Sense 4.0 much more than I did 3.0, especially considering the fake multi-tasking.
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okay guys heres a thought....how about instead of turning on each other, and starting the talk of "ill never own an HTC again" crap, you do something productive and start a movement against HTC proactively to be loud about them being lazy on releasing source code?....Leaving HTC isn't going to fix the issue at hand, as they wont see the effect in their sales #'s by the few in the dev community leaving to make them give a F....What they will do is react to a giant community outcry over a pressing issue on slow source release! They did it with the locked bootloaders so another push for source might make them change their ways...
Just saying, threads saying "this is my last htc device b/c they are slow are releasing source..." are silly and pointless....
Do something to make a change and start a vocal complaint movement instead of just sitting here and complaining/whining about it on xda!
So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Everyone says sprint sprint sprint but is it not the manufacturer's that say what device they wanna tweak the os for? Besides if it was sprint that was delaying it why would the s3 already be confirmed to be getting the jelly bean update? HTC says they don't know if they will be updating it. And Idt sprint would hurt their own pockets like that. 2 have 2 flagship phones on the latest os faster and far less problems they would/should be jizzin in their pants for that chance.
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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U hit the nail on the head! Totally agree 1000%
I payed more for my phone than I did my laptop or tablet. Yet they get updates damn near everyday. And if android is open source I should be ableto get the updates on anyphone that runs Android as long as the specs are up to par for free correct. Just like linux. So y do they get to choose what we get so they can make money. I mean we do it here. So y can't they. Lol sry just rantin clearin my chest.
Me and the wife love HTC but we both agreed that even though we dislike the build quality of Samsung it may be our next phone just because things get updated and fixed a lot more frequently. Besides our phones stay deep inside great looking cases so how much does build quality mean to us anyway.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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Point taken. Bottom line is that "we" the customer, gets screwed. I would find it hard to believe that HTC and Sprint both "don't know" what people want. HTC makes great phones and the developers help us love them. Developers maximize the potential of our devices but if they're not getting what they need, it's a moot point and I'll probably leave Sprint and HTC altogether when I'm due for an upgrade. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. Patience only goes so far.
Not to mention still can't have caller id tones since last update n they can't fix that. Bs and I don't wanna switch roms cuz something always never works in roms.
have to admit if it wasn't for custom roms and the hard work of devs here I would have tossed this phone by now.
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Having been an android owner for the last three years (and an evo owner for the last 2), I've gotten used to the slower updates. It's always been explained away by saying that first HTC has to produce an update, then Sprint has to tweak the update, before we ever get the OTA. I know it's not a solution to the problem presented in the OP, but has anyone noticed that we have fantastic devs for this phone? The roms, kernels, and tweaks are not only being produced on a daily basis, but are frequently updated and provided with fantastic support. I can live with slow manufacture and provider updates as long we continue to have great devs.
Yes, but in a different way. I will not be purchasing another HTC product ever due to their slow update roll outs as well as their locking of the boot loaders. While they finally relented and let people unlock their bootloaders through their website, their previous and current stance on the issue is unacceptable to me.
You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
Naters
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KLP isn't out yet. I never said i was leaving sprint just may leave HTC. for me sprint is the best deal besides pre-paid. if pre-paid got the hottest phones as well. I think the big 3 would be outta biz or would have to lower prices to compete. lol
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Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
Naters
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You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
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not really that is what they run off contract. bout $800 plus tax
this phone will probably be the last HTC phone I purchase... unless they change their policy on source and start to release it to dev's faster... it seems like there is a lot more activity for the S3....
If I get another HTC device it will be a nexus. If they dont make a nexus device im not getting it. I love htc build quality, it feels like a real device in my hand, but the lack of updates really turns me off.
Sorry to hear you paid $850 for this mech.. got mine free without upgrading because the 3ds were on backorder when mine broke... and i got that free also...