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How will the ownership of Motorola by Google affect us users?
I love my Photon, Google may have direct access to make things different for future Motorola Android Devices and Updates...
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My Motorola Mobile Android experience from Droid ×¹ to the HTC Evo to Photon:
Comming from a Droid X on Verizon, I have experienced most of the features of my MoPho with the latest gingy update. This hasn't been challenging and I love the features of the "axed" motoblur, (Edit: Motorola Applications Platform, not Motorola Desktop Interface), but I love my MoPho.
I previously had an Evo 4G, and I liked the UI, but hated the phone, with its unbearable internal storage, I got rid of it, and got my MoPho.
(I had my Droid X, Evo 4G, then Photon)
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Well, back to my topic, , what do you all think this will do to us?
Is this a positive, negative, post your comments below...
Quick Question: Has anyone came from the Droid X, or Droid X², and what do you think?
Keep the posts comming!!!
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Hopefully some < $100 motorola cable boxes running Google TV
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Google doesn't care if you root. If they do at all, it's because the carriers hate rooting.
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kjones2k1 said:
Hopefully some < $100 motorola cable boxes running Google TV
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I hope so!!!!!!! That would be sweet, especially if you can buy them without getting into a cable contract!
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vintage712 said:
Google doesn't care if you root. If they do at all, it's because the carriers hate rooting.
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I used to think that Google didn't care if we rooted myself, but with the latest Android Gingerbread Updates, Google has blocked some methods, together with the manufacturer's and carrier's OTA Updates, we may not know...
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If you look at the Nexus phones, they have easily unlockable bootloaders. True, they are developer phones. Google will be running the company separately, not taking over whole operations if i read correctly. I think a push toward unlocked bootloaders and sooner updates. I think a slow death to Blur, probably around when Ice Cream Sandwich comes. Flagship phone perhaps?
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From the standpoint of rooting, google doesn't care about that, if they did would they let apps for root users in market ? I don'T think so. So you better forget that idea.
Now being a motorola/google phone owner, we should be much more optimistic than others about software. I personally think that google will take more care of us. Looking forward to see a Chrome OS instead of Weptop on our devices. officialy or unofficialy, i believe it will happen.
We get 2.4 faster than anyone else.
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deedscreen said:
I used to think that Google didn't care if we rooted myself, but with the latest Android Gingerbread Updates, Google has blocked some methods, together with the manufacturer's and carrier's OTA Updates, we may not know...
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That's because most root methods use security vulnerabilities to get installed.. If you used that vulnerability to get root, malware can use it too - so the vulnerabilities get fixed.
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RickNY1971 said:
That's because most root methods use security vulnerabilities to get installed.. If you used that vulnerability to get root, malware can use it too - so the vulnerabilities get fixed.
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You are my +1
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That's because most root methods use security vulnerabilities to get installed.. If you used that vulnerability to get root, malware can use it too - so the vulnerabilities get fixed.
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Root is at a software level while the bootloader is closer to a hardware level and requires access to the phone. Just clarifying that for people..
tropicalbrit said:
If you look at the Nexus phones, they have easily unlockable bootloaders. True, they are developer phones. Google will be running the company separately, not taking over whole operations if i read correctly. I think a push toward unlocked bootloaders and sooner updates. I think a slow death to Blur, probably around when Ice Cream Sandwich comes. Flagship phone perhaps?
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Yes, you are correct about the takeover, it will be ran as a separate company, as I have read, I will edit my post.
I wouln't say a slow death of blur, for our Photons, but that is quite possible for newer Motorola Android devices, but at the same time, Motorola may work with Google's android developers to make a better blur-esque UI. Who knows?
Remember, if all goes as reportedly planned, then Google has the Blur patent...
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I dunno about you guys, but the new blur is not so bad for me. I came from a Cliq and this ghost blur or interface is a major improvement.
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deedscreen said:
I hope so!!!!!!! That would be sweet, especially if you can buy them without getting into a cable contract!
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That would all depend on the cable provider as well, however most (if not all) cable companies offer just a cable card that I'm sure future Motorola cable boxes will accept, if you purchase the box from an official retailer. Though you'll of course at least have to have the tv service through satellite/cable provider.
The acquisition, though, makes me wonder if I should get the Photon, or keep using my X10 Mini Pro for a while to see what comes next
coldblooded79 said:
I dunno about you guys, but the new blur is not so bad for me. I came from a Cliq and this ghost blur or interface is a major improvement.
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I agree. I like this blur, a lot. It's not bad at all. Good job Motorola!
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The acquisition, though, makes me wonder if I should get the Photon, or keep using my X10 Mini Pro for a while to see what comes next
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The ultimate decision is entirely up to you, but I personally think the photon is a great choice for all.
djshifted said:
That would all depend on the cable provider as well, however most (if not all) cable companies offer just a cable card that I'm sure future Motorola cable boxes will accept, if you purchase the box from an official retailer. Though you'll of course at least have to have the tv service through satellite/cable provider.
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Well Agreed.
still trying to get a answer
I thought it did but I just saw a spec sheet and did not see it listed so I am not sure now.
Yes, the antenna for it is in the battery door like how the blackberry9900 is. There are 2 metal contacts on the inside of the battery door.
Image 8 shows the contacts
http://photobucket.com/galaxy_note_lte
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Yes, it is in the AT&T version. It is not listed as a spec though.
All the new AT&T phones (the high end versions anyway) all come with NFC but none of them have working software stack. Basically they are disabled until AT&T sponsored ISIS takes off. So, consider the NFC as non-functional until AT&T has a change of heart.
foxbat121 said:
All the new AT&T phones (the high end versions anyway) all come with NFC but none of them have working software stack. Basically they are disabled until AT&T sponsored ISIS takes off. So, consider the NFC as non-functional until AT&T has a change of heart.
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Or until we have a canadian or korean rom that has it enabled. Both my ATT skyrockets have nfc enabled through a rogers rom
And it actually works? Which rom? I have seen it but have not been able to get it to work.
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Or until we have a canadian or korean rom that has it enabled. Both my ATT skyrockets have nfc enabled through a rogers rom
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And it actually works? Which rom? I have seen it but have not been able to get it to work.
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I'm using skyROCKeteer and it works. Problem is gingerbread doesn't have nfc push capabilities so I can only receive stuff from a gnex or icsd nexus s
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Anyone else find it pretty coincidental that as the Galaxy Note comes out that Google Wallet opens up to AT&T Nexus phones on the Android Market. I wouldn't give your hopes up, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
With all the security problems (two ways for other ppl to reset the GWallet pin on your phone, one requires root, one doesn't) recently discovered in GWallet, I will steer clear of that app.
So I updated Maps yesterday and out of boredom clicked on the more apps by Google Inc link. Noticed that Google Wallet showed up, clicked on it and it says it's compatible with my phone. Downloaded and installed fine. Haven't tried opening and running it yet cause a) I'm rooted (know it won't run with root since update and b) even if I unrooted I read on xda somewhere that if Wallet doesn't find the secure element that it will show an error and will never work on the phone again.
I'm running stock rooted with cwm. The only things I've done to my Note are installed the nfc.zip, swapped the mms.apk to the international version and installed vvm.apk.
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Same here, I noticed it in the market and installed as well. Running completely stock phone, just rooted.
im completly stock and it doesnt show up
Well when you run it it says hardware incompatible... You raised my hopes up for no reason...
It's the same with any other non nexus nfc capable phone. We do not have the secure element so it will not run. It's almost comical how many times this has to be said
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imitenotbecrazy said:
It's the same with any other non nexus nfc capable phone. We do not have the secure element so it will not run. It's almost comical how many times this has to be said
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Is that a hardware or a software limitation?
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Is that a hardware or a software limitation?
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The existing phones with secure elements are software. There has been talk about implemementing a software "patch" to enable it. We won't see that until att launches it's mobile payment system, Isis
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lowspeed said:
Is that a hardware or a software limitation?
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The existing phones with secure elements are software. There has been talk about implemementing a software "patch" to enable it. We won't see that until att launches it's mobile payment system, Isis
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From what i've read, Isis is going to be SIM based, so it won't be dependent on the NFC capability of phones. My assumption is that most NFC capable phones have the secure element, it's just not activated or accessible. The problem is, that the carriers are trying to monopolize the NFC system for payments, and any other 'hacked' way seems too risky in my mind.
Hopefully regulators will force carriers/manufacturers to allow other systems/apps to use the hardware, and we will end up with a somewhat 'open' environment for NFC. It all reminds me of the 'bluetooth' lockdown that Verizon implemented when it first came out on phones.
Sorry my intentions were not to get anyone else's hopes up but rather to see if anyone else had the same results. With both my Nexus and Skyrocket Wallet would show as not compatible on the store.
And I also knew about the secure element hence why I said I didn't try running it yet.
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I don't think NFC will ever be implemented. People will develop malicious software that allows one to stand ass-to-ass in a bus or subway car and steal ppl's credit card chips lol
I really want to try Google wallet. In the ics leak the nfc option is in settings. So att has to be implementing it soon.
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cmjkxa said:
I really want to try Google wallet. In the ics leak the nfc option is in settings. So att has to be implementing it soon.
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It will be enabled when apple puts it in the iphone. For now, an ics rom will enable it, but wallet still will not work.
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I installed it. When I open google wallet, it says the following...
"Unfortunately, Google wallet has not yet ben certified in your country or on your device / carrier."
Winning. I was able to get an Advanced Tech support rep to admit they were wrong. She walked me through rooting my phone and voiding my warranty to freeze Carrier IQ. She then added insurance to my account free of charge and gave me a credit for $150 on my account to cover the insurance deductible if needed in the future. Attached is proof.
This has turned into a full on assault toward AT&T. Here is the link to file a complaint to the FCC. I have submitted my contract, the details page about the lg g2 from AT&T's website neither which states that carrier IQ or any other software is installed to monitor location or network data. Also attach was a chat log with an AT&T rep who admitted openly that it was not in my contract or listed anywhere that carrier IQ would be installed on our devices.I have also Filed a small claims complaint in with my local court which has a 500$ maximum claim amount. I am seeking the max with the reasoning that the only way to not be affected is to buy another phone.I expect AT&T to be a no show. Please unite and file an fcc complaint for concealing software capable of providing your location without consent.
https://esupport.fcc.gov/ccmsforms/form2000.action?form_type=2000B
Here is the facebook link. I need to do more work to it when I get time. https://www.facebook.com/supportpacs
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Posted this to the official lg mobile USA page.
LG. I must say since I picked up the g2 life has been great. I have but one issue with my phone and I am on my knees begging you for help. My troubles all began when I powered on my at&t branded device. I struggled with a very annoying wake lock that would randomly deplete my battery. I have traced the culprit which I have found to be carrier iq also known as ciq. I understand this spyware was installed at the request of my carrier so they can track usage data and trouble shoot network issues. I just feel lg should allow customers to have the ability to opt out or disable this software. Did you know that if I have network location set to off carrier iq will turn on my GPS to obtain my location. Now imagine this, you work in a secure facility with metal doors and no windows in the basement of a government entity. Your GPS turns on constantly without your control eating away at your battery trying to obtain a location. So I ask you only for this lg. Please work with the American carriers to give your customers the freedom to choose. Isn't it bad enough we have Obama and the NSA spying on us. Sincerly Christopher
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If you are talking about US models, the T-mobile variant allows you to disable carrierIQ in the settings.
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I doubt it will do any good but I wanted to share my plea to lg in hopes for an option to disable carrier iq on the US models like AT&T. I know carrier iq Is installed at the request of the carriers but I believe LG will support us if we unite. The voice of one will not be heard. I will be reaching out to lg customers on other devices and carriers far beyond xda. I will keep this post updated with links for Facebook,YouTube and other social networking sites. Please support me as I fight for your freedom to choose weather or not to enable carrier IQ.
I am in the process of creating a Facebook page with the intention of raising awareness for all of the users who have no idea what carrier iq Is.
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You got my support. Where do I sign?
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You got my support. Where do I sign?
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You can simply share the Facebook page. When I finish it I will post the link. I am factory restoring my pc so probably in the morning. I will also create a web page.
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Got my support too
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Save that on Facebook's, I can tell you are a 911 dispatcher.
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xcaliburpcs said:
Save that on Facebook's, I can tell you are a 911 dispatcher.
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You are correct.
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You didn't really say Obama and the NSA spying on us did you? No ciq on my G2!
neugenusis said:
If you are talking about US models, the T-mobile variant allows you to disable carrierIQ in the settings.
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I have the T-Mobile version, please elaborate. I can't find how to disable that. Thanks
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This isn't done at the LG level. This is done at the Carrier level.
The Verizon version doesn't even have CIQ.
This would be a plea to the carriers like ATT... and good luck w/ that.
digitard said:
This isn't done at the LG level. This is done at the Carrier level.
The Verizon version doesn't even have CIQ.
This would be a plea to the carriers like ATT... and good luck w/ that.
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LG installed ciq at the request of att. Lg is the one who can pressure att to give us the option to disable it like t mobile.
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Exactly. They installed it at ATT's behest. They don't install it by default. They installed it because it's part of ATT's custom package they load on top of the LG base.
Like all carriers they install their own custom bloat on top of the base, and that was part of ATT's. They're not going to pressure ATT to remove it because it's ATT's call. T-Mo chose to install it, but give a disable option. It's all controlled by the carriers installation package.
If anything it's ATT who needs to be pressured so the 4.4 build doesn't have it bloated in.
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LG installed ciq at the request of att. Lg is the one who can pressure att to give us the option to disable it like t mobile.
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I have the T-Mobile version but can't find in settings where to disable it. WTH?
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bigox said:
I have the T-Mobile version but can't find in settings where to disable it. WTH?
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Sorry for the late reply
Per T-mobile:
Settings > Backup & Reset > Collect diagnostics.... then uncheck "allow diagnostics"
BetterBatteryStats recorded carrierIQ as a wakelock, but after doing the above method, that wakelock was no more.
One gripe I have w this phone is the CIQ. They should at least let us have the option to disable it.
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bigox said:
I have the T-Mobile version, please elaborate. I can't find how to disable that. Thanks
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System settings > backup and reset > collect diagnostics and turn it off.
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System settings > backup and reset > collect diagnostics and turn it off.
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We should rather ask for unlocked bootloader. CIQ can be easily disabled/removed
Does sprint use CIQ?
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Does sprint use CIQ?
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I don't believe they do , they discontinued using it after all the lawsuits started.
I'm sure there is some logical answer to this that someone can explain, but it is something that has been on my mind lately. Why do we even have fragmentation of Android on our devices? 4.4 just came out, and despite the rumors the chances we will ever go beyond 4.1.1 on our DNA without the use of ROMs is slim. This is because we have to wait for HTC to make the update, then Verizon to push it out.
But why don't we cut out Verizon? How about HTC, Samsung, Sony, etc push the updates directly to the device without Verizon? Maybe HTC has something like a HTC Device Manager that lets you select your device and OS, and shows you your version along with the latest with the option to update. It shouldn't be too hard... Apple does it. Even though I dislike iPhones, their updating structure is superior. Updating should be in the hands of the manufacture, not the carrier. That way only HTC is to blame.
It shouldn't be too hard for manufacturers to make updates for their devices since they should have people being paid to do such. Here on XDA we have a great community of people that seem to do more in their free time and it quicker than anyone employed by the manufacturer.
Last thing, Google can help with fragmentation by putting more features into the Playstore. A great example is the the Google Keyboard. Beforehand the only way to get it was on something like a Nexus, but now anyone can get it. Why can't Google put the new KitKat launcher and Dialer into the Playstore?
The reason Verizon pushes the update out of because they have contracts with the manufacturers. Verizon wants to make sure all its bloatware is in the rom and make sure everything is functional on the network. If HTC broke the contract Verizon would simply no longer carry the phone.
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The reason Verizon pushes the update out of because they have contracts with the manufacturers. Verizon wants to make sure all its bloatware is in the rom and make sure everything is functional on the network. If HTC broke the contract Verizon would simply no longer carry the phone.
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Exactly this. The Apple thing is moot. Apple is the only company who releases iOS, so Apple has the choice if they want their phone on that carrier. Android manufacturers are a dime a dozen, so they have to sign contracts and follow what the carrier wants to keep their devices on that carrier.
What is more devastating? No Samsung phones on a certain carrier, or no iOS? The carrier has a handful of android devices to choose from if one manufacturer drops. If Apple drops, there will be no more iOS on that carrier.
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If all phones that are able to run the latest version did get the upgraded version of android, you'd have less of an incentive to buy the latest phone coming out. Are the newest phones really THAT much better than the DNA? Verizon wants you to get a new phone.
As a rooted user and prefer aosp to sense, I'm pretty confident I'll have the latest version of android way past official updates. On my droid x, I had ICS shortly after gingerbread was officially released for it.
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danjull said:
If all phones that are able to run the latest version did get the upgraded version of android, you'd have less of an incentive to buy the latest phone coming out. Are the newest phones really THAT much better than the DNA? Verizon wants you to get a new phone.
As a rooted user and prefer aosp to sense, I'm pretty confident I'll have the latest version of android way past official updates. On my droid x, I had ICS shortly after gingerbread was officially released for it.
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Getting the newest version of Android is the reason I root and load custom roms on my phone. When I buy a phone I know Verizon won't support it for long. I just wish Verizon would pick up a Nexus phone...
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Getting the newest version of Android is the reason I root and load custom roms on my phone. When I buy a phone I know Verizon won't support it for long. I just wish Verizon would pick up a Nexus phone...
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If i remember correctly it's Google that doesn't give them nexus
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Getting the newest version of Android is the reason I root and load custom roms on my phone. When I buy a phone I know Verizon won't support it for long. I just wish Verizon would pick up a Nexus phone...
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Verizon did pick up a nexus phone. The Galaxy Nexus, and it was just as bad about updates.
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According to Google, the reason for no CDMA nexus devices has to do with CDMA requiring proprietary binaries. However, I wonder if it's more than that because as far as I know the Google Play Edition GS4 and HTC One aren't coming to Verizon either.
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According to Google, the reason for no CDMA nexus devices has to do with CDMA requiring proprietary binaries. However, I wonder if it's more than that because as far as I know the Google Play Edition GS4 and HTC One aren't coming to Verizon either.
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The Nexus 5 has CDMA support, but only on Sprint. It doesn't have support for Verizon's bands.
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Hmmm... Didn't know that. Even more reason for me to believe there's something more to it. I think it may have something to do with Verizon's effort to keep the bootloaders on all its devices locked down like a chastity belt, whereas Google wants the devices to be for unlockable.
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well according to reports 2014 brings unlocking and rooting to a hault as it becomes illegal just like jailbreaking a ps3
t1gartist said:
well according to reports 2014 brings unlocking and rooting to a hault as it becomes illegal just like jailbreaking a ps3
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Why would it be illegal your not taking any paid apps or anything or breaking the law by doing what you want with your device.
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well according to reports 2014 brings unlocking and rooting to a hault as it becomes illegal just like jailbreaking a ps3
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You are thinking of the law about unlocking the Sim lock. Not unlocking the bootloader. Our DNA's are sim unlocked out of the box.
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