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I wonder if eris was under promoted or under developed on purpose so that customers felt it necessary to move in to higher end devices. A marketing plan. It runs so sweet on froyo. Better than it ever did from the start. They had to know that it would. I thought for a long time that I bought the lesser phone much because of price. I looked forward and counted months so that I could upgrade. Now with a rooted eris running xda upgrades and other neat improvements there's nothing out there that is close to tempting me away. I'm sure a lot of people that had trouble with eris screwed it up themselves.
Vanilla Tazz, swype, latest market, great updated navigation, 3400 battery and more.
I even went to a verizon store and downloaded side by side to droid 2 and fascinate and eris was faster. I have no idea why but it did it time and time again.
Thanks XDA and all you eris fans.
Oh yea I'm keeping an eye on Kaos and his gingerbread progress and with ROM manager I'll be playing with that before long.
Edward
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I seriously doubt it. The Eris is essentially the same hardware as the GSM Hero (and T-Mobile G2), which was released three months before the Eris, and is in fact only different from the G1 in the amount of internal RAM and storage. I don't think it's possible that HTC knew that an overclocked Eris could run Froyo acceptably (albeit without Flash, one of Froyo's selling points) at the time it was developed; Android 2.0 wasn't even out when the Hero first came out.
Comparing the speed of a rooted, overclocked Eris to a stock Fascinate and Droid 2 is a bit of an unfair comparison, IMHO.
I am sure that Verizon wanted a second phone to be available when the Droid was announced, priced lower, to help the ramp-up to Android sales. And, as far as I know, the Eris actually sold very well - not as well as the Droid, but it was still very successful.
I had the motor droid first, I guess the hype for to me.. soon found out that the keyboard sucked and I didn't like the bulky feel of the phone was still in my thirty days so I got the eris loved it since
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they rebranded the hero for verizon, and just never bothered to do full testing on the trackball.
have you noticed that since the eris/nexus 1 htc hasnt put another trackball in any of their phones? yeah. htc sucks with trackballs, they found that out with the eris, and the nexus 1 was already too far into production to take it out before release some 7-8 months after the eris was released and they got word of the user complaints.
it was a half way there job, poor testing, and then HTC sense on top to slow everything down. just a corporate **** up to push a device out the door for a cheap buck (that and they were rushed on top of all that, verizon wanted to launch their droid line with or without HTC's little eris)
That question is sort of like asking "Is the Ford Fiesta purposely underdeveloped? The Ford Taurus is so much better!"
The Droid and the Eris were launched by Verizon on the same day, with different form factors and price points.
That's just modern marketeering - you segment your product offerings to appeal to people with different tastes or price preferences in order to maximize your return, rather than offering only a single product.
I have to believe that when Verizon had their first look at the Droid, the marketing folks probably said - "this thing is a brick, women are not going to buy it."
The other part of it has to do with Verizon's desire to control their supply chain: if they only had a single vendor for their first Android phone, they would have less leverage in price negotiations with Motorola. Remember that in the US market, the carriers are still trying to run the show.
So was it "purposely under developed"? Very doubtful. If you buy a Ford Fiesta and discover that it sucks, you probably are not going to say to yourself, "maybe I'll run out and buy a different Ford model" - you'll select a different maker first. Neither VZW nor HTC want people to think that their stuff stinks; brand perception is a huge deal in commodity products.
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well said, bftb0. not so much underdeveloped, but rather sold as a lower cost alternative to appeal to those that didn't want to spend an extra $100+ for the moto droid.
I think the eris hardware is a great value. So I'm not expecting to turn a cheap device into something it's not capable of. That's the interesting question. As it stands it's extremely capable. With just a few software enhancements it meets or exceeds what I would expect out of so called higher end models. I guess that's the beauty of Android--even when the manufacturers put an end of life status on a unit that doesn't really end it at all thanks to folks at XDA and fellow enthusiasts that are satisfied and amazed at what they are able to do and wonder just how far this development can go. And it's actually more fun than opening something new out of the box.
Ed
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Hear hear!
I think they stop coming out with software improvements as soon as the next hardware cycle comes out. The ones you do see after that (like when 2.0 came out for the eris) were probably still in the works when the phone was being sold. They want to use froyo (and gingerbread) as selling points on new phones, implying they wont be available on the older models. Of course, the eris has great froyo roms and even some preliminary gingerbread roms, so i guess the good people here at xda rendered that point moot.
Hey Dudes, I'm really thinking of buying the Toshiba Thrive.
so...
Just wondering what my fellow 3D brothers thought about Tabs in general.
You guys own a Tab?
Which one you guys think is the superior tab?
The one at Wal-Mart for 79 bucks > all
3D > iClone
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Hey Dudes, I'm really thinking of buying the Toshiba Thrive.
so...
Just wondering what my fellow 3D brothers thought about Tabs in general.
You guys own a Tab?
Which one you guys think is the superior tab?
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I have a rooted NookColor running CM7 OC'd to 1.3ghz. It's on the 'low end', I guess...it screams, honestly. Only cost $249. It does everything I need it to do (besides have an MEID). It's the perfect shape and size for web browsing on the couch...in portrait web pages are a dream to read due to the layout. Just like a book, format wise. It's also pretty light weight.
I originally went out to get an actual tablet sold as a tablet...but they are freakin' huge and freakin' heavy...I just happened to pass by the barnes and noble on my way out of the mall, saw that right next to a 'how to hack your nook color' book...so I bought the NookColor and came right here.
It's a little rough around the edges, but, the shape, weight, the fact that you can boot of an SDcard so you can have roms all over the damned place...hell, you can dual boot roms. It also kicks ass at games, though, I don't really play many games so YMMV...
...I'd i magine any of the real tablets (Galaxytab 10.1, Xoom, Thrive, etc) must really stomp ass at everything. I'm not a huge fan of Honeycomb myself...but, I'm sure those newer dual core monsters can tear through it no problem. They are all pretty awesome from what I can tell dicking around with them at Best Buy.
I guess that depends, what are you planning on doing with it? Light web browsing and light gaming (nothing heavy duty)? Root yourself a NookColor and enjoy... But if you want a no-bull**** heavy hitter I've heard great things about the Xoom... I figured the Evo4G tablet thing their would be awesome, but, after playing around with it at sprint I can't help be feel completely underwhelmed. Maybe it got beaten up since it's a display, but, the size, weight and bezel all annoyed me. I treat mine like a book, physically...not like a flat laptop. I couldn't really see doing that with some of the bigger heavier ones. The interface was also, umm, goofy to me. Though admittedly I know nothing about it besides the 10 seconds I wasted trying to navigate the UI...which I did, in a rather clunky manner.
I love my Transformer. It is rooted, but I don't really use it for anything but surfing the interwebs. When I get a keyboard it will probably be all I use. I love my ASUS ROG laptop, but this thing is too large for normal uses.
Had a Samsung Galaxy on Sprint (the big block looking one, not the nice new ones)... Didn't care for it too much because of the upcoming Honeycomb tablets being dropped, along with it lacking support for most of the apps it said it could download.
Went to an Archos 70IT, loved the space I had on it (250GB HDD), but hated how it was just that, a physical spinning HDD. That along with the lack of support to video chat with its FACTORY STOCK front facing camera was a little annoying, considering Qik and other applications did not work on it, and the inability to have the Google marketplace on it without installing 3rd party software was a little annoying. For what it was, it was good though, just not speedy enough.
Then came the Motorola Xoom... The flagship device for Honeycomb that even months after still had no update enabling the MicoSD card. Along with Honeycomb being on the brink of even being ready to be released it seemed, I recently put that one up for sale and hope it sells soon. The development for the Xoom seems to be there, and there are some nice features available for the Xoom, just I don't care for it really.
Battery life... OMG, did this take the cake though! SUPER nice battery life!
Thought about the new 10.1 Galaxy tab by Sammy... And boy oh boy was it a nice light platform, but then again there were issues with it having HC (in my mind). It seemed a lot better than the Xoom though! Might eventually think about getting one.
HTC Flyer too looked appealing, nice small package, does the whole writing on the screen thing like we all want.... Probably has Netflix support for all I know, lol.
But for now, I just picked up an iPad2. It has everything I want in a very nice package. Slim profile, nice design, few awesome accessories, and support beyond that which Motorola, Samsung, or Archos have provided me thus far.
I don't need all kinds of wizbang-cool features on a tablet, I just want to be able to play a game or two, Netflix (OH!!! the Xoom STILL HAS YET to have on it working properly, com'on Netflix... I thought the Tegra 2 and chipset what not wasn't going to be a problem), browse internet, couple books, and news... Only thing I'm going to miss I think from my Xoom really is the emulator and USB OTG to play emulators and roms on.... but then again, I can hookup my EVO 3D and use that (in theory) a heck of a lot easier than I can my XOOM, where I'd need three cables coming out if it sometimes to have it on the TV doing what I needed it to do.
That and the girlfriend understands and iPad2 a bit better than the Xoom. She got lost soooo much trying to use it, and the Archos 70... In the long run I think the iPad is MUCH better, and hopefully can get a little bit of money out of it too with BBuy's BuyBack program.
Flame me for being a dualist, lol, but I love my iPod touch and iPad2 just as much as my EVO 3D. I will always use Google stuff for my cellular needs, and probably always use Mac stuff for everything else it seems.
Arm gets heavy though, running with the EVO 3D tracking (Cardio Trainer) and the iPod Touch playing music.
I have to really start doing my research on stuff though, lol, I've wasted bookoo bucks on tablets...
thanks
Thanks for the replys guys.
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I have a rooted NookColor running CM7 OC'd to 1.3ghz. It's on the 'low end', I guess...it screams, honestly. Only cost $249. It does everything I need it to do (besides have an MEID). It's the perfect shape and size for web browsing on the couch...in portrait web pages are a dream to read due to the layout. Just like a book, format wise. It's also pretty light weight.
I originally went out to get an actual tablet sold as a tablet...but they are freakin' huge and freakin' heavy...I just happened to pass by the barnes and noble on my way out of the mall, saw that right next to a 'how to hack your nook color' book...so I bought the NookColor and came right here.
It's a little rough around the edges, but, the shape, weight, the fact that you can boot of an SDcard so you can have roms all over the damned place...hell, you can dual boot roms. It also kicks ass at games, though, I don't really play many games so YMMV...
...I'd i magine any of the real tablets (Galaxytab 10.1, Xoom, Thrive, etc) must really stomp ass at everything. I'm not a huge fan of Honeycomb myself...but, I'm sure those newer dual core monsters can tear through it no problem. They are all pretty awesome from what I can tell dicking around with them at Best Buy.
I guess that depends, what are you planning on doing with it? Light web browsing and light gaming (nothing heavy duty)? Root yourself a NookColor and enjoy... But if you want a no-bull**** heavy hitter I've heard great things about the Xoom... I figured the Evo4G tablet thing their would be awesome, but, after playing around with it at sprint I can't help be feel completely underwhelmed. Maybe it got beaten up since it's a display, but, the size, weight and bezel all annoyed me. I treat mine like a book, physically...not like a flat laptop. I couldn't really see doing that with some of the bigger heavier ones. The interface was also, umm, goofy to me. Though admittedly I know nothing about it besides the 10 seconds I wasted trying to navigate the UI...which I did, in a rather clunky manner.
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how does it run honeycomb is it nice?
Hello
My doubt is simple, i have a chance to aquire a 32gb black HP touchpad, 1 yo (still 1 year warranty) in perfect condition, for 200€.
Given the state of Android on this tab, would you advise me to buy it ?
For 200 eurodollars. Prob not. Wait and get the Asus/Google tablet for 199 new.
I also found a Viewsonic 10S for the same amount.
Highly confused... also, those 199$ will translate into 400€ back home
Trust me...
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I also found a Viewsonic 10S for the same amount.
Highly confused... also, those 199$ will translate into 400€ back home
Trust me...
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I got a 32gb for 195 USD shipped from someone on ebay
Everything gets a little more expensive after crossing european borders.
So i'm quite happy if i can get either of them from 200€...
Just need to ear reasonable people on the status of Android for the HP TP...
daedric said:
Everything gets a little more expensive after crossing european borders.
So i'm quite happy if i can get either of them from 200€...
Just need to ear reasonable people on the status of Android for the HP TP...
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all in all its the best tablet I have ever gotten. I have not even put android on it yet
I would recommend it at that price. Granted, the TP is EOL, but currently, in my opinion, it is one of the best tablets on the market for its price thanks to the great development community.
Just my .02
I had an Asus transformer I bought for my wife. I had to sell it after comparing it to my TouchPad. The Touchpad blew it out of the water speed wise. I was appalled. I am not a big supporter of Tegra chips and I know most Tablet manufactures used them because of their low price point where as the TI chip in the TP is a little speed demon. I am sure the GPU on the Tegra is better but I couldn't tell when comparing games except that the Touchpad ran them sooo much smoother with what looked like a higher FPS.
Also it was either one of the first or the first tablet to get ICS so you have amazing support on the device even though its as dead as a zombie
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I had an Asus transformer I bought for my wife. I had to sell it after comparing it to my TouchPad. The Touchpad blew it out of the water speed wise. I was appalled. I am not a big supporter of Tegra chips and I know most Tablet manufactures used them because of their low price point where as the TI chip in the TP is a little speed demon. I am sure the GPU on the Tegra is better but I couldn't tell when comparing games except that the Touchpad ran them sooo much smoother with what looked like a higher FPS.
Also it was either one of the first or the first tablet to get ICS so you have amazing support on the device even though its as dead as a zombie
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TouchPad has a Qualcomm (8060) chip, not TI.
But as for your question, the TouchPad is just OK in my opinion. I tend to use my computer and Galaxy Nexus over it for most activities. There is a very select few times that I prefer it over other devices.
That being said, and assuming you have a reason to use it more than me, it's a decent choice. Especially at it's price point. Android on it is astonishing, it's extremely quick in real world performance, and you have the option of using webOS. My biggest gripe by far is the screen. It's unbearably low-res in my opinion. It looks quiet pixelated.
Just my 2 cents.
I now stand on a dillema:
I can got either a Touchpad, or a Viewsonic 10S for the same price, same conditions.
Both have their pros and cons... And i can hardly get a good review on Touchpad's Android, or the Viewsonic's Android (ICS)...
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I now stand on a dillema:
I can got either a Touchpad, or a Viewsonic 10S for the same price, same conditions.
Both have their pros and cons... And i can hardly get a good review on Touchpad's Android, or the Viewsonic's Android (ICS)...
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i don't know the specs on the viewsonic but if same specs and price, i'd go for the viewsonic
In my honest opinion i absolutely love my touchpad. There is nothing that i can't do on it. I have it set up with both webos and cm9. Webos is slightly better in battery life, but i guess i never really notice it because i always boot into cm9. Everything i need as a daily driver words in cm9. I watch netflix on it daily and all other youtube videos. games are great as well. The only time i boot into webos is when i need to make a skype call, other than that im always on android. First of all, its really easy put ice cream sandwich on it, second...threres no need for a second. Its a great tablet no matter what os you run on it. And the best part is all of the developers that support and use our very loved tablet. Granted i only payed $220 for my touchpad, but knowing what i know now, i would have easily payed $400. You get the best of both worlds, webos is an AMAZING os(besides the limitation on apps), and android is decent(but has most the apps). So i say go for the touchpad and enjoy it!
my TouchPad has replaced every laptop I own for my go to choice for couch surfing etc. Running CM9 its by far the best Tablet I've played with - and since I was lucky enough to get my 32GB for $150 in the original fire sale - for me - the price can't be beat by anything out there these days. I just even installed TexTab so I can send and receive SMS messages from my TP (connected through bluetooth to my phone) saving me battery life on my phone as well.
I've been running Android on it since it was first made available - I've never gone back to WebOS at all.
I have used 3 different Android ICS Roms on my TP. Amazing. Fast, smooth, stable (even though ICS is still technically an Alpha release). The only things that WebOS has over Android at this point is functional camera and microphone (needed for Skype) and better battery life. When WebOS is put in sleep mode it uses virtually no battery that I can detect. Android in sleep mode still uses about 1% per hour.
I find myself using Android at least 90% of the time. And I disagree with the previous post about the screen resolution. I find it to be quite good actually.
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i don't know the specs on the viewsonic but if same specs and price, i'd go for the viewsonic
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This is pure specs, not benchmarks. Also, the touchpad is refered running WebOS, and not CM9. But you can still check the specs... the 3G is a bonus, guranteed.
But i belive the touchpad will be alot faster...
http://www.91mobiles.com/compare/ViewSonic/ViewPad+10s/vs/HP+Mobile/TouchPad.html
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This is pure specs, not benchmarks. Also, the touchpad is refered running WebOS, and not CM9. But you can still check the specs... the 3G is a bonus, guranteed.
But i belive the touchpad will be alot faster...
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If you're buying a tablet, I'm of the opinion that the quality of the screen should be the first concern, and the Viewsonic has a terrible screen in comparison to the Touchpad. The Touchpad should be the same speed or faster, and both have ICS. Just think, you're going to be staring at the screen the whole time and at different angles. The Viewsonic's screen will wash out if you hold it the wrong way, the Touchpad's won't.
I'm glad to see so much support of the Touchpad in this forum. I just got mine yesterday and sadly the audiojack is busted so off it goes again to HP. Someday soon I'll have it back and get to see what all this fuss is about!
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If you're buying a tablet, I'm of the opinion that the quality of the screen should be the first concern, and the Viewsonic has a terrible screen in comparison to the Touchpad. The Touchpad should be the same speed or faster, and both have ICS. Just think, you're going to be staring at the screen the whole time and at different angles. The Viewsonic's screen will wash out if you hold it the wrong way, the Touchpad's won't.
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True enough. The TP screen has to be better
But both have it's pros and cons, for example, the TouchPad does not have HDMI out.
I'll have to think about it...
I've had mine since Dec. (my first tablet and Android device) and I could not be happier.
Right now I cant see me not having one. I spend much less time in front of my pc now.
It takes care of most of my browsing, news and book reading, and a bit of arcade gaming.
As others said earlier, the only thing missing is the mic and camera (and wifi probs for some)... and if theyre really needed, you can simply boot into WebOS
while it is still in an early aplha phase, it's incredbily stable. More so than a beta release ics rom on my phone. Bar the mic and camera, everything is near on perfect. I picked up my touchpad for 150euro, so i can't really complain.
Hi, I've currently been looking for a replacement to my Galaxy S (had it 16 months now) which is beginning to creak a bit due to its lack of RAM. Anyway, that aside it's still a great phone barring the recent official update but switching from Touchwiz to GoLauncher solved the issues.
Anyway, I saw this deal for the Atrix and lapdock. Basically want to know if it's worth it; I am looking at this from the perspective of a consumer who uses the smartphone casually. I was hoping to use the lapdock as a sort of netbook; browsing the net and playing videos, mainly on the couch or when I'm mobile/travelling).
So I guess the real questions are;
1) With Quad Cores becoming more prevalent this year, would it be prudent to get the Atrix at this price?
2) Has the lapdock had much software updates? I mean it uses firefox which I've abandoned on desktop in favour of Chrome. Also, issue reviews said that the browser was fairly sluggish.
Originally I was thinking of getting a cheap 7in Tablet (like the soon to be out Tab 2 7.0) and I know that they're not directly comparable to this lapdock (which doesn't have touch screen and no multitouch on its pad etc) but what are your opinions?
it really depends on how much work you want to put into it. out of the box it's a little boring and slow, but with for example nottachtrix + gentop2 it's pretty amazing. we have high hopes of getting an official ICS in q3 (i believe is the consensus) should that happen atrix will be viable for another year at least. as of now, i don't think webtop has ever been updated by moto. you need to rely on the community devs for upgrades and honestly these guys have come through in ways the official corp dev team never could.
example: unlocked bootloader =)
yeah, like the previous poster said, that's a little steep tho
Well, you have to bear in mind with British prices we ALWAYS get ripped off. Fact is the Atrix is still 300 pounds or more from most websites/stores so the fact that this comes with the lapdock actually makes it a "cheap" deal.
I will stress though that I intend to use the phone and dock for media consumption, I don't really need it to do work and hence I wanted to know if anyone else has had it for similar reasons.
Also in the UK a Galaxy S2 still commands about £380 so the Atrix would be 75% of its price or there abouts; I'm sort of leaning towards it but now that I realise that it doesn't have a webcam I think I'll put my money to a new phone (possibly a Nexus or the Note) as I want to use Skype to do video call. I still can't believe Motorola originally wanted to charge nearly 300 pounds for the lapdock... it's a screen with a battery, keyboard and two usb ports. You can get a netbook and charge for that... what were they thinking?
Great phone, don't count on the lapdock
Yo from London.
I've been using my Atrix (bought in US) back in Blighty for a year and its a great device. The way I think about it is this: Last year's high end phones effectively become this year's mid-range phones. So the Atrix is basically equivalent to a new mid-range (say £200-250) phone. I think you'd tend to pay about £50 less than you'd pay for a newly release mid-range phone though given the Atrix is pretty low-profile, older device.
But I think as a phone you can't fault it. The Tegra 2 is still up to snap and if you slap on a brand new ROM (I have Neutrino based on CM7, its awesome) it feels like a brand new device. The BIG advantage it has over a mid-range phone though is the battery life - REM MOTO put a big-ass battery in here. Add in a properly tweaked third party ROM and this thing becomes an absolute battle tank as regards lastability. Do not underestimate this!
The downside is the Atrix is probably coming to the end of its support life re: OS updates. As a rule of thumb you'd expect an android device to get the next one major OS update (Atrix has actually done OK as its gotten both Gingerbread and it'll get ICS - this was because it came at the tail end of the Froyo era). Getting a new mid-range phone means you should be OK for Jellybean but there is zero chance you'll get that on Atrix. It's up to you as to whether this is an issue. TBH I always skin with ADW Launcher EX so I'm pretty ambivalent as to the OS version. There is an argument that new OS updates haven't added anything meaningful since Froyo brough Flash support (ironically the one key ICS-exclusive app - Chrome - actually takes this away). I don't think my world would end if I couldn't get Jellybean - but that's your call.
The last issue is the Lapdock. TBH don't go out assuming the world on this one. Its sluggish and if you want to use third-party ROMs based on CM7 that will break lapdock support (you can mirror HDMI /w keyboard+mouse fine on CM7 now but its a bit of a kludge). If you're buying Atrix particularly for the lapdock functionality (rather than as a bonus feature) I'd think twice. The wildcard here is that its rumours ICS will rehash the lapdock functionality and make it native Android a la Transformer Prime. That would make me reassess the lapdock - but atm its only an option.
My advice would be to get the Atrix now as a daily driver. Its a great phone - as I said an absolute battle-tank in everyday use. The current mid-range field doesn't have much to recommend it so I think you will come in quids ahead.
All the best
Jonathan
Interesting view points there. I was only going to get the lap dock because it's included at Handtec and Expansys which feature the lowest prices online (from a reputable retailer) for a new Atrix.
I see the lapdock as "bonus", something I can use on a couch when I just want to do some net browsing.
I just wanted to get some input about what everyone thinks about the 3rd party development concerning these two phones. I currently have, and still love, my original Evo 4g. I have it rooted with CM7 installed.
I'm on Sprint, and I love being able to use the free wifi hotspot built into CM7 without paying a ton of money to sprint. I like having emulators and playing all my old favorite games on the TV.
The difference in the screens doesn't bother me much, but I figured the extra power of the GS3 would be very beneficial with the way I use the phone. On the other hand, I've heard custom mods and development aren't near as good with the GS3.
So the main question:
Should I go for the raw power of the GS3, or the more modding and developer friendly LTEVo? I really don't want to lose my free wifi hotspot... I use it all the time and I'm not sure if I can get it with the GS3.
The free hot spot you can get when you root with any phone, so that's a non issue.
My understanding is the phones are about the same, the galaxy has more RAM it seems, but the processor is about the same. You should consider build.quality. do you like how the EVO looks and feels or the Sammy? I don't like the plastic feel of the Samsung phones myself. It's a personal choice.
Also the front buttons on the galaxy are ugly, and u like dedicated camera button on the EVO. And kickstand.
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You said a bunch of nothing. Also what makes you think the GS3 has more "raw power"? They both have the same chip.
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Sg3 had more RAM
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More RAM doesn't equate to more power lol
My main reason for moving to HTC (from Samsung Epic 4G) is OEM support. Samsung could care less about upgrading phone's they've already sold. You can bet your mortgage on the Evo getting Jelly Bean before the Galaxy S III, and I'm sure we're talking a difference in months.
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My main reason for moving to HTC (from Samsung Epic 4G) is OEM support. Samsung could care less about upgrading phone's they've already sold. You can bet your mortgage on the Evo getting Jelly Bean before the Galaxy S III, and I'm sure we're talking a difference in months.
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I'm thinking the same but usually upgrades are a pain cause so many differences and carriers, I think sprint got the best track record with upgrades but maybe is because they don't have so many phones as Verizon and att, plus this time around the device is the same @ll over the us carriers so it should be easier, I'm getting the gs3 on tmobile since I already have tmobile but I'm keeping my EVO and wait for lte and the only thing that I hate about my EVO 3g doesn't cut it sometimes, when the evo came out I had not problems with 3g and that's all I used cause 4G will kill battery quick, to the op they both are great phones I think you should try the gs3 and if you prefer sense too much(even tho you said you like cm7) then get evo lte, btw development on the gs3 will be probably better then evo only because is the same phone in all major us carriers so all those developers will make roms for each on carrier and just changed radios and what not for the other carrier so it will be amazing and that was what Myn was talking about when he choose to get the GS3
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I laugh at anyone who chooses the Galaxy S3 because it has twice as much RAM as the Evo LTE. RAM wasn't a bottleneck in the 3D so why would it be an issue in the LTE? It was hardly a problem with the 4G. Phones simply don't utilize all that RAM. Adding more won't change anything.
Your decision should come down to maybe a handful of things. Probably the biggest knock against the Evo LTE is the battery. You have the freedom to access the S3's battery whenever you please without having to remove screws. For some people, that's a dealbreaker and they would shell out for the S3. Likewise, others would prefer the dedicated camera button.
At the end of the day, the decision is yours. I'm not really sure if I ever see myself buying a phone not made by HTC. Their products are simply amazing. I don't have anything against Samsung, it's just I love the three flagship Evos I have owned. I haven't found a reason to abandon them.
I think the question that has been asked has not yet been answered. Which phone will have more custom roms available. Or, maybe more importantly which will get a fully functional Cyanogen mod or other popular rom first?
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Im running cm9 on my Evo Lte now it's almost perfect no video camera yet. I think the SG 3 already has official cm support because Samsung already released source, HTC hasn't yet. Im pretty sure once source comes out the evo will get official support too. So to me it's which phone you like better, they're so close spec wise.
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ibleedbloo said:
I think the question that has been asked has not yet been answered. Which phone will have more custom roms available. Or, maybe more importantly which will get a fully functional Cyanogen mod or other popular rom first?
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This was the main part of question, and it hasn't really gotten much input. (Except from jgalan14, who brought up a good point)
shook187 said:
You said a bunch of nothing. Also what makes you think the GS3 has more "raw power"? They both have the same chip.
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stellar said:
More RAM doesn't equate to more power lol
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chessmyantidrug said:
I laugh at anyone who chooses the Galaxy S3 because it has twice as much RAM as the Evo LTE. RAM wasn't a bottleneck in the 3D so why would it be an issue in the LTE? It was hardly a problem with the 4G. Phones simply don't utilize all that RAM. Adding more won't change anything.
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Actually I do consider more ram more power. It's not technically processing power, but if something makes it run faster, then I consider it giving it more power. Not technically correct, but it's still faster.
And no, that much more ram is not an issue when just using the phone to make calls and surf the web, or even play games from the market. But I already stated that one of the biggest things I use it for is playing on emulators. Well more ram IS needed for the later gen console emulators to run smoothly, especially when mirroring to the TV. My original 4g didn't run alot of N64 games smoothly when on the TV. You may laugh at me choosing the GS3 for more ram, but obviously you don't know anything about computer hardware if you actually paid attention to the post and still came to that conclusion.
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I think the GS3 is going to be the better choice. The removable battery and more RAM are pretty big selling points. Not to mention the battery life on the GS3 is way better also. I'm not particularly concerned about it "feeling cheap" and I don't mind not having a camera button. I think the GS3 has some cooler camera features anyways. I will miss the kickstand though. Jgalan14 brought up a good point, hopefully the GS3 will get decent mods as well, if not I guess I can deal with it as long as I just get the free wifi hotspot from rooting. Especially since the main reason I modded was because of the Bluetooth issues keeping you from connecting Wiimotes to the Evo 4g; modding isn't necessary to connect Bluetooth controllers to the GS3. (Even tho CM7 has been awesome, so I may use Cyanogen mods again on the GS3)
Mainly, I think the GS3 will be much better at running emulators.
Now I'm just going to have to go buy one of those stupid proprietary MHL cables... that's my one big complaint about the GS3.
I can run any emulators I want on my transformer prime flawlessly. Guess how much ram it has. 1gb.
You can't even compare n64 roms running choppy on the OG evo to the new evo. Major OS update, single core 1ghz cpu vs dual core 1.5 ghz, 512mb ram compared to 1gb.
Not to say, if a ps2 emulator ever becomes mainstream it couldn't be beneficial. But haven't they also stated, that the extra gig of ram is dedicated to running touchwiz.
So you really arent getting any extra ram, your just getting some more of your 1gb free'd up because it's not running the skin. Seems silly considering the benchmarks are even favoring the evo at this point.
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I can run any emulators I want on my transformer prime flawlessly. Guess how much ram it has. 1gb.
You can't even compare n64 roms running choppy on the OG evo to the new evo. Major OS update, single core 1ghz cpu vs dual core 1.5 ghz, 512mb ram compared to 1gb.
Not to say, if a ps2 emulator ever becomes mainstream it couldn't be beneficial. But haven't they also stated, that the extra gig of ram is dedicated to running touchwiz.
So you really arent getting any extra ram, your just getting some more of your 1gb free'd up because it's not running the skin. Seems silly considering the benchmarks are even favoring the evo at this point.
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Lol that's a kick I'm the nuts, 2gb of ram!! AMD a small print disclaimer saying 1gb is to run touchwiz smoothly lol screw SG3
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nkchri2 said:
This was the main part of question, and it hasn't really gotten much input. (Except from jgalan14, who brought up a good point)
Actually I do consider more ram more power. It's not technically processing power, but if something makes it run faster, then I consider it giving it more power. Not technically correct, but it's still faster.
And no, that much more ram is not an issue when just using the phone to make calls and surf the web, or even play games from the market. But I already stated that one of the biggest things I use it for is playing on emulators. Well more ram IS needed for the later gen console emulators to run smoothly, especially when mirroring to the TV. My original 4g didn't run alot of N64 games smoothly when on the TV. You may laugh at me choosing the GS3 for more ram, but obviously you don't know anything about computer hardware if you actually paid attention to the post and still came to that conclusion.
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I think the GS3 is going to be the better choice. The removable battery and more RAM are pretty big selling points. Not to mention the battery life on the GS3 is way better also. I'm not particularly concerned about it "feeling cheap" and I don't mind not having a camera button. I think the GS3 has some cooler camera features anyways. I will miss the kickstand though. Jgalan14 brought up a good point, hopefully the GS3 will get decent mods as well, if not I guess I can deal with it as long as I just get the free wifi hotspot from rooting. Especially since the main reason I modded was because of the Bluetooth issues keeping you from connecting Wiimotes to the Evo 4g; modding isn't necessary to connect Bluetooth controllers to the GS3. (Even tho CM7 has been awesome, so I may use Cyanogen mods again on the GS3)
Mainly, I think the GS3 will be much better at running emulators.
Now I'm just going to have to go buy one of those stupid proprietary MHL cables... that's my one big complaint about the GS3.
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Hold your horses here...
I'm getting pretty sick and tired of these "more RAM=1337 ph0ne" comments that are parroted endlessly everywhere. No Android phone has ever had 2GB of RAM before... The bottom line is that its benefits remain to be seen. From what we do know, it really shouldn't help at all (given the way Android utilizes RAM). Maybe with Android 5 or 6 (lol) down the line? Who knows.
What I do know for sure right now is that RAM it will precisely 0 effect on its emulator performance. That all comes down to developer optimization for particular chipsets. At the level Android phone emulators are currently operating (not to mention the basic systems they're emulating), RAM is the last thing that will help. Now a future PS2 emulator might be a different story, although the S4 is not nearly powerful enough to run it at anywhere near acceptable levels.
Battery life "way better" on the S3? Can I have some of what you are smoking sir? The only difference is a 100mah battery in its favor. Every review I've read so far has stated that it has, at most, equal battery life to the EVO/ATT One X. Removable battery is a nice plus though.
IMO the big difference to consider between these two phones is software, plain and simple.
How is 100mAh significantly more battery? Not to mention gsmarena battery test had the EVO at 45, the int gs3 at 43
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I can run any emulators I want on my transformer prime flawlessly. Guess how much ram it has. 1gb.
You can't even compare n64 roms running choppy on the OG evo to the new evo. Major OS update, single core 1ghz cpu vs dual core 1.5 ghz, 512mb ram compared to 1gb.
Not to say, if a ps2 emulator ever becomes mainstream it couldn't be beneficial. But haven't they also stated, that the extra gig of ram is dedicated to running touchwiz.
So you really arent getting any extra ram, your just getting some more of your 1gb free'd up because it's not running the skin. Seems silly considering the benchmarks are even favoring the evo at this point.
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I wasn't trying to directly compare... I was just stated that for reference. As far as the extra ram being used up by touchwiz, then that just means there is one more huge reason to keep using Cyanogen like I am now. Goodbye touchwiz, hello extra 1Gb RAM!! Even if current emulators and apps can't take full advantage of the extra RAM, I think it still does make it more future proof than the LTEvo. And even if you can't unlock the other 1GB from touchwiz, it still will make the phone faster and less laggy with dedicated RAM for the UI.
As far as the benchmarks, I'm not really sure where you got that information. A link would be nice = D
I'm not a dead set fan of either phone. I have thoroughly enjoyed my original Evo. I just want to pick the better phone for how I want to use it. So far, I haven't seen anything to sway my choice towards the LTEvo. The better/removable battery and the extra RAM are pretty big.
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So far from this post and more research, this is what I've found.
Evo 4g LTE:
- Looks like the rear facing camera is better
- Better display
- It's not all plastic
- Kickstand!
- Hardware camera button
- Doesn't rely on proprietary accessories (a la S3 MHL cable)
- Beats audio
Galaxy S3
- Extra RAM (even if it is dedicated to Touchwiz, that is just a big chunk less of the original 1GB being used for the UI, which means more free RAM)
- Same phone across all carriers, hopefully leading to more/easier 3rd party development
- More camera functions (continuous shooting / best shot)
- Removable battery
- Longer lasting battery
- 32 Gb option available
- .6 MP larger front facing camera
- Better multitasking than the LTEvo (no reloading)
- S-Voice
@nkchri2. Are you sure you understand that 1.5gb of ram sitting around doing nothing on your phone will be just as useful as 200mb or ram sitting around on your phone doing nothing? The extra ram, whether it be 100mb or 8gb's, does the exact same thing. It is just sitting there. Now if you feel you will have 100 apps open at the same time then maybe you will see the benefit. If ram even matters at all at this point, it certainly doesn't matter to the degree at which you are giving it right now
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Battery life "way better" on the S3? Can I have some of what you are smoking sir? The only difference is a 100mah battery in its favor. Every review I've read so far has stated that it has, at most, equal battery life to the EVO/ATT One X. Removable battery is a nice plus though.
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sinfiery said:
How is 100mAh significantly more battery? Not to mention gsmarena battery test had the EVO at 45, the int gs3 at 43
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I missed the two post concerning my comments on the battery life. The S3 having a way better battery was the wrong way of putting it I guess. Yes, it's only 100mAh more, so it has a 5% larger battery. I guess the point is the S3 must be much easier on its battery. You mentioned gsmarena...
gsmarena(dot)com
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(Forum wont let me post links yet... so I had to list it that way)
This compares the two phones and lists the S3 having 2 hours and 30 minutes longer talk time the the LTEvo. I have seen a few other websites also showing a clear advantage in the battery life with video and surfing as well, I just can't find that link and gsmarena just lists talk time numbers. If I do I'll repost.
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@nkchri2. Are you sure you understand that 1.5gb of ram sitting around doing nothing on your phone will be just as useful as 200mb or ram sitting around on your phone doing nothing? The extra ram, whether it be 100mb or 8gb's, does the exact same thing. It is just sitting there. Now if you feel you will have 100 apps open at the same time then maybe you will see the benefit. If ram even matters at all at this point, it certainly doesn't matter to the degree at which you are giving it right now
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Even if it doesn't.. does it hurt to have it? Everyone just keeps posting about how the extras the GS3 has "doesn't matter". I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I posted in this forum to get information ABOUT the LTEvo, but seems like most people are just LTEvo fans that want to flame the GS3, not really comparing. Okay, well like I said, I'm not dead set on getting either, but if that stuff doesn't matter...
What does the LTEvo have to offer that the GS3 doesn't that would make me want it instead?
I made a list in a previous post but I still think I'm leaning more towards the GS3, but if anyone has something I'm missing on the LTEvo I'd love to hear it.
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Even if it doesn't.. does it hurt to have it? Everyone just keeps posting about how the extras the GS3 has "doesn't matter". I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I posted in this forum to get information ABOUT the LTEvo, but seems like most people are just LTEvo fans that want to flame the GS3, not really comparing. Okay, well like I said, I'm not dead set on getting either, but if that stuff doesn't matter...
What does the LTEvo have to offer that the GS3 doesn't that would make me want it instead?
I made a list in a previous post but I still think I'm leaning more towards the GS3, but if anyone has something I'm missing on the LTEvo I'd love to hear it.
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Dude you are in the EVOLTE forum, we are all users and fans of this phone. What do you expect? Ofcourse we will lean towards the evo more. Both are good phones, but honestly we like the evo way more otherwise we wouldnt have bought it and actively discuss and praise it. Stop trolling with the gs3 is better crap.