I wonder if this means we are getting close to s-off on other newer htc phones.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1547695
At least ones with the new hboot.
I believe this is being discussed in the development forum, and so far no good news for reasons I cannot explain accurately enough
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It is a working method for the EVO 3D to downgrade to an exploitable HBOOT. The Rezound has a ENG HBOOT which should give you S-OFF. It should be possible for the Rezound, just would need to know it's location of the hboot on the emmc.
Three is no current method of doing this on a Rezound. Follow the development thread if you want more info.
The hboot has debug keys which will cause it to brick the phone. If we got a SHIP signed ENG HBOOT, we would be golden.
Oh okay. I still think it will be done soon. The Rezound is still a fairly new phone
It's 5 months old 3 days ago, that fairly old in the world of Android. Being unlocked is nice but it's a PITA sometimes, s-off would be amazing but nothing yet. I still have hope.
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Does anyone know any info?
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jestercing said:
Does anyone know any info?
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Seems pretty unlikely if the Eris has been EOL'ed by VZW.
Big Red has absolutely no business incentive to push a new OS out to phones it no longer sells - what would their upside be?
Frankly, I am amazed (& happy) that Eris owners got 3 updates in 8 months - including a major OS version upgrade. VZW dangled the 2.1 update in front of their customers right from the moment the Eris dropped - but they had an incentive to do so, because they were selling the phone, and trying to recruit new buyers to a new platform (for VZW).
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okay, non leakers have hboot 1.47. leakers have 1.49. the big problem about rooting leakers is that we have no way of downgrading the hboot.
HOWEVER! seeing as 2.2 is essentially a hell of a lot different, if HTC ever gets around to making a 2.2 rom for the eris, they will probably have it on a whole new hboot image (1.50 or greater). now if that is made, then we MIGHT be able to root that. so the best bet for leakers is for htc to make a new hboot image for one reason or another, and we root it.
so:
IF htc makes a new hboot image for the eris will probably happen...
IF they make a froyo rom (not likely)
and IF we can root that...
then leakers might get root sooner or later. but seriously, those are some BIG BIG "IF"'s so dont hold your breath, but also, dont give out on hope.
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okay, non leakers have hboot 1.47. leakers have 1.49. the big problem about rooting leakers is that we have no way of downgrading the hboot.
HOWEVER! seeing as 2.2 is essentially a hell of a lot different, if HTC ever gets around to making a 2.2 rom for the eris, they will probably have it on a whole new hboot image (1.50 or greater). now if that is made, then we MIGHT be able to root that. so the best bet for leakers is for htc to make a new hboot image for one reason or another, and we root it.
so:
IF htc makes a new hboot image for the eris will probably happen...
IF they make a froyo rom (not likely)
and IF we can root that...
then leakers might get root sooner or later. but seriously, those are some BIG BIG "IF"'s so dont hold your breath, but also, dont give out on hope.
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wouldnt a higher hboot just make it harder for us to root?
Nikolai2.1 said:
wouldnt a higher hboot just make it harder for us to root?
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New hboot means potential new bugs, resurfacing of old bugs, or perhaps another leaked root.
New doesn't always mean it's better/stronger, new is opportunity.
Marisa said:
New hboot means potential new bugs, resurfacing of old bugs, or perhaps another leaked root.
New doesn't always mean it's better/stronger, new is opportunity.
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QFT.
also, there's now a root (somewhat...) for 1.49'ers so that might get it for you.
sprint just said the hero will not get 2.2....... doesn't look good for an official froyo
So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
edufur said:
So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
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If HTC gives us what they promised we will merely have a bootloader that is not cryptographically signed. That's it. No root. no s=off. Nothing else.
I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
daneurysm said:
I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
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Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
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If HTC is willing to play ball on our terms I think it only fair that we play ball on their terms.
...even though I think it is ridiculous.
In fact, without access to a custom recovery and ability to flash whatever I want I'm afraid of screwing up my phone in a way that I can't fix.....someone had a thread earlier about setting 'compatibility mode' off in Spare Parts causing bootloops and a factory reset didn't fix it. I've been there before but I had multiple avenues of recourse...right now I would have nothing I could do to fix that.
Granted, I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with the problem, but, the point remains.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
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I've been following this pretty closely for, well, about a month now...I've never heard anything spelled out specifically detailing it in this way.
However I have wondered the entire time what "unlock" means to HTC. We were only asking for the bootloader to not be crypto-signed, though that still means that we need to find an exploit...meaning we asked for open access to...well...more hacking of their software? If they are willing to take the biggest block out of the way, why not the whole kit and kaboodle? So I could see them (rightly) interpreting all of the "unlock bootloadar" demands to mean "give us unrestricted access to everything we need", though the cynic inside me also considered that they would stick to only offering the most specific thing they could--what we asked for. If they are really going to crack these phones wide open for us that really is a monumental statement...it could very well change the direction of this industry (for the better...for the consumer)...
...though that would blow my mind.
Anyone who really wants S-off and root, should definately not take the OTA updates. I've been down this road in the past with other devices. I have a lot more faith in our dev community unlocking this phone then I do in HTC. Just my thoughts.....
hi,
just got my EVO 3D but dissappointed that i cannot seem to root EVO 3D,
i m stuck at getting S-off because my hboot is 1.49 xxx11
can anyone advise if i can use the root in the CDMA for GSM ?
or the GSM EVO 3D cannot be root at the moment,
You should never ever attempt using any kind of software, tool, program or anything that was designed for CDMA on a GSM device.
There's a high chance something will go wrong, and it could potentially brick your device.
The HTC EVO 3D GSM can be rooted at the moment (mine is), but it depends on which hboot version you have. Mine had hboot version 1.49.0007.
It seems like revolutionary doesn't support your hboot version (yet), so i'm not sure how you would go about gaining s-off and root (if its even possible).
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It seems like revolutionary doesn't support your hboot version (yet), so i'm not sure how you would go about gaining s-off and root (if its even possible).
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If revolutionary doesn't support your hboot version yet, the only other published tool would be HTC's. I don't see the GSM EVO 3D listed on their site yet: http://htcdev.com/bootloader/ .
At this point, there might not be any published tool to achieve s-off which is required for persistent root access.
Sorry to be the messanger of bad news, but thats the latest information we have! Never hurts to tweet or write on HTC's facebook page politely letting them know how you'd like to use their product you purchased! Hope that helps!
A couple of folks were discussing hboot 0011 over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16960706#post16960706 starting at post 67 I believe. They used the HTCDev method (I personally cannot attest to this method, as I had 0008 and was able to use revolutionary). In any case, have a look there. They may be able to offer some advice! Good luck
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It would be good if some knowledgeable member preferably a dev clears up, what are we really going to achieve through S-OFF, there have been lot of threads regarding it, giving conflicting information with people making all kinds of assumptions of everything's what's wrong with Amaze have to do with S-ON.
From what I've been able to make out:
The only real benefits which is left now though S-OFF is flashing radios. And perhaps, flashing kernel would be lot easier, as it could be done through recovery instead of the process we have here through adb (it isn't really that bad or complicated once you get a hang of it).
Other benefit, what I found while searching for S-off are changing partitions. Amaze has lot of internal memory so I don't think changing partition is really important for Amaze.
What's really holding the development back on Amaze, is right now we only have HTC kernel. AOSP & CM kernel aren't working or not fully functional yet due to closed source HTC drivers. CM team is close, but they still don't have radio(RIL, BT, GPS) and camera working. Once they get that done (and I wish they do), ICS, CM and MIUI ROMS will come to Amaze.
Your research paid off. You just answered your own question
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we need both S-off and release of drivers source codes for various things...more importantly is the release of a drivers and source codes. this way we can make kernels not based on stock...having S-off gives us the advantage of flashing radios which is important sometimes, right now there is no way of going back to the old RUU's we need the old radios to work with them correctly, HTC should learn from samsung and just get rid of the whole S-on and S-off concept. it is so easy to flash everything on my galaxy tab....
nevertheless with S-off comes the possibility of people bricking their phones completely!!! because this way HBoot will be accessable too!!
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having S-off gives us the advantage of flashing radios which is important sometimes, right now there is no way of going back to the old RUU's we need the old radios to work with them correctly
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I thought the only source for Radio is HTC or rather Service providers (since amaze is not sold unlocked anywhere) and you can't flash radio of device A by some other device B by modifying it, as it extremely difficult and dangerous and not allowed by law either in most countries ? So where we will get the old radios for Amaze?
Hey guys just wondering if any devs have stated that they are working on achieving s-off for the evo lte?
" Is there any devs working on achieving s-off? "
*Are* there any devs working on achieving s-off?
please explain why do we need s-off ^_^
flex360 said:
please explain why do we need s-off ^_^
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Me personally, I was wondering the same. We don't need it but I, just as I'm sure there are others out there, would prefer not to go the HTCdev route. It's really just a simple question the OP asked. If you don't know don't answer, or say "I don't know". I don't know. I had heard there were some people working on it but I haven't seen anything in quite a while. Me, I want CM9. I haven't rooted yet and I was hoping that at some point in the near future we'd have s-off and a fully working CM9. If CM9 comes before s-off I'll do the HTCdev.
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please explain why do we need s-off ^_^
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Well to unlock the bootloader without htc knowing.
Isn't also easier to flash kernals through recovery,flash radios and firmware through the bootloader,without having to relock the bootloader and updating the device and then unlocking the device again?
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Well to unlock the bootloader without htc knowing.
Isn't also easier to flash kernals through recovery,flash radios and firmware through the bootloader,without having to relock the bootloader and updating the device and then unlocking the device again?
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It has been stated many times you don't need to be s-off to flash kernels, radios, splash screens, etc... basically the LTE with HTC unlock can do everything with s-on that a phone can do with s-off.
Back on topic, I was wondering the same but haven't asked (just waiting on the sidelines..) I would rather not go the HTC unlock route, but I'll probably do it just because at this point you can do it all with HTC dev unlock
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It has been stated many times you don't need to be s-off to flash kernels, radios, splash screens, etc... basically the LTE with HTC unlock can do everything with s-on that a phone can do with s-off.
Back on topic, I was wondering the same but haven't asked (just waiting on the sidelines..) I would rather not go the HTC unlock route, but I'll probably do it just because at this point you can do it all with HTC dev unlock
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Well I agree,but at this point it's about voiding my warranty,and also i used the evo lte for about five days with terrible 3G speeds and no 4g lte here in Miami,Florida,so I reactivated my evo 3d until there is 4g lte because there is WiMAX here.
there could be devs working on it, but without announcing anything until it's ready, just so they don't have to deal with the usual ETA questions
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there could be devs working on it, but without announcing anything until it's ready, just so they don't have to deal with the usual ETA questions
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That's what I was thinking. I remember with the 3D and the 1.5hboot I didn't see anything about progress until it was done (I also wasn't looking for it because I had a 1.4, s-off, launch day phone). I think it will come in time, I'm not too worried though because there's always HTCdev to fall back on.
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Hey guys just wondering if any devs have stated that they are working on achieving s-off for the evo lte?
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Any true dev wouldn't be wasting time trying to achieve S-off when the HTC unlock works fine. I rather have devs achieving good roms then wasting time on S-off just so "HTC wouldn't know"
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Any true dev wouldn't be wasting time trying to achieve S-off when the HTC unlock works fine. I rather have devs achieving good roms then wasting time on S-off just so "HTC wouldn't know"
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Of course they would its all about hacking devices and the thrill of achieving what's not given to us.
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Of course they would its all about hacking devices and the thrill of achieving what's not given to us.
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Why don't you wait around and find out, while I flash ROMS.
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i'd to see the dreadful warning on my splash to be gone. that alone would worth s-off