it's been 10 months since it was previewed, 5 months since it was first released.
And only 1.5% of the Android market share is ICS.
What is going on?
I think ICS is a product fails, so it was not released. and overcome, they will use the JellyBean.
It's just my opinion.
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What is so compelling about it? I can customize gingerbread to have any features it has. Its not like ios which restricts functionality and appearance to the os level.
The only thing I miss is chrome.
Probably for the same reasons that all Android updates take a while to go out. Manufacturers face several hurdles when they update their phones to a new version of Android. They have to update all drivers to support any changes made to the OS, go through a ton of testing and QA to make sure nothing is broken (remember, not everyone who owns a smartphone can troubleshoot it or go to XDA when something doesn't work, and not every smartphone is fast enough to run new versions of Android). When all that's done, they have to get carrier approval, which means even more testing and other administrative work. Now take all that work and keep in mind that updating phones does not make the manufacturer any kind of profit. These phones have already been sold, and the companies might not be too motivated to rush the creation of an update with no monetary worth.
Now think on a larger scale. The Android ecosystem consists of hundreds of phones released by a ton of manufacturers all over the place, and Google doesn't really have that much control over how the manufacturers run their businesses. The result is the fragmentation we've seen across the platform. Compare that to Apple, which only has to support the last three iPhones, three iPads and two iPod touches, and you can start to understand how iOS updates faster.
Obviously, the manufacturers release updates anyways because otherwise their customers would hate them, their reputation would go way down, and they'd never be able to sell anything to anyone. However, they can still afford to take their time, especially since developers are more than happy to do that work for them.
If Google would let OEMs get in on development earlier they wouldn't be so behind. So the OEMs get the source code late. Instead of just adding drivers and releasing it, the OEMs decide to make their own launchers and bundle bloatware. The whole Android OEM update system is slow and inefficient. I wish we could somehow get updates directly from Google on all devices.
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Maybe it's because the minimum hardware requirements for ICS mandate more ram, faster processor, etc.. That rules out upgrades of the installed base and adds cost to new products, so the device manufacturers are sticking with Gingerbread for a while longer.
If i recall ... there's is only one ICS released device. The G-Nex.
There are 20million + galaxy s2's out there and another 20 million + galaxy s1's. Add in ten million or so assorted HTC devices and another few million LG and Moto and other oems.
Once more devices with ICS are released, you'll see the percentage increased.
All the GS2's will get ICS soon and many OG Galaxy owners will be near upgrading time (GS3 or so). It'll be rising once the real powerhouses come into town.
Russianzilla already answered out but the basic reason is that phone manufacturers are taking too long to release ics to their owners - for a number of reasons. This means overall adoption is limited to G Nexus buyers and custom room flashers worth compatible devices - hence your miniscule adoption rate
Its not about fragmentation and hardware support, this is business and profit. Its about people still buying gingerbread phones!
If there was some exciting new feature on ics that you couldnt get on an older os/device (siri), people would be waiting with their money and oems would be scrambling. Oems are simply responding to market demand and the market is apparently still good on 2.3 with a promise of upgrade. (Deliver on that promise at their leisure)
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If Google would let OEMs get in on development earlier they wouldn't be so behind. So the OEMs get the source code late. Instead of just adding drivers and releasing it, the OEMs decide to make their own launchers and bundle bloatware. The whole Android OEM update system is slow and inefficient. I wish we could somehow get updates directly from Google on all devices.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the bloatware. Wouldn't want people getting ICS without Sense or MOTOBLUR on top. (Although from what I've heard, Sense 4.0 is much better than it used to be.)
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the bloatware. Wouldn't want people getting ICS without Sense or MOTOBLUR on top. (Although from what I've heard, Sense 4.0 is much better than it used to be.)
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Sense 4 is beautiful... Plus its lighter and faster than the older versions. We're running a cameraless beta over at the desire s forums, and it looks promising.
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The framework of ICS alone is hell to tamper with, a dev would need at least 100+ GB (yes GIGABYTES) of space on a Linux PC just to set up an environment and create 1, maybe 2 not even fully functional builds of ICS.! And that's for one phone. Imagine HTC trying to build icsandwich or icsense for all of there phones (at least 15), trying to create an evo 3d optimized build to support 3d apps and camera which is near impossible even with the drivers and source code, trying to build for various screen resolutions and hardware (which isn't impossible because the g1, androids FIRST phone, runs a pretty damn stable ICS with few bugs), and on top of that, manufacturers aren't like devs (who will release with bugs and work as they go), it is there goal to release as close to a perfect build as possible, and that just isn't feesable, trying to keep your hardware and software for all of your latest models up to date just isn't something that can be done
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Manufacturers are greedy. So they want to make money by new phones. If they release ics to old phones, people wouldn't upgrade to new phones. Therefore less money for greedy manufacturers if they upgrade old phones to latest version of Android.
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Manufacturers are greedy. So they want to make money by new phones. If they release ics to old phones, people wouldn't upgrade to new phones. Therefore less money for greedy manufacturers if they upgrade old phones to latest version of Android.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks this way
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If there was some exciting new feature on ics that you couldnt get on an older os/device (siri), people would be waiting with their money and oems would be scrambling. Oems are simply responding to market demand and the market is apparently still good on 2.3 with a promise of upgrade. (Deliver on that promise at their leisure)
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don't think so. Ics is the biggest leap Android ever made, it is the first time you're dealing with something that doesn't feel patched up and thoughtless. Gingerbread sure as heck can do most of the things that ics can but everyone knows that the sum is more than it's parts. user interaction and user experience was never part of the gingerbread equation. What you're getting with ics is a modern os that was conceived for modern devices and if that isn't exciting then I don't know.
Oems are too greedy and too stupid to get the picture, that's why ics hasn't been adopded. they still think they can bull**** their customers as they have done for years with no one except Apple standing up for itself. and they'll bail out on jellybean aswell. Samsung just barfed touchwiz on ics, and still some seriously believe devices like the s3 will be getting jb? never going to happen. In future they'll probably be left behind. New Companies will step up, see the potential, understand that openness and customer care can be profitable, and replace them. Look what happened to Nokia, they ruled the 90s. Same will happen to Samsung and Co.
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they'll bail out on jellybean aswell. Samsung just barfed touchwiz on ics, and still some seriously believe devices like the s3 will be getting jb? never going to happen.
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Dude, it's too early to say that. Do you really hope that Samsung or other manufacturers would bail JB? Because I really hope they don't. You're being a bit too pessimistic here.
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ICS slow or broken
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Probably for the same reasons that all Android updates take a while to go out. Manufacturers face several hurdles when they update their phones to a new version of Android. They have to update all drivers to support any changes made to the OS, go through a ton of testing and QA to make sure nothing is broken (remember, not everyone who owns a smartphone can troubleshoot it or go to XDA when something doesn't work, and not every smartphone is fast enough to run new versions of Android). When all that's done, they have to get carrier approval, which means even more testing and other administrative work. Now take all that work and keep in mind that updating phones does not make the manufacturer any kind of profit. These phones have already been sold, and the companies might not be too motivated to rush the creation of an update with no monetary worth.
Now think on a larger scale. The Android ecosystem consists of hundreds of phones released by a ton of manufacturers all over the place, and Google doesn't really have that much control over how the manufacturers run their businesses. The result is the fragmentation we've seen across the platform. Compare that to Apple, which only has to support the last three iPhones, three iPads and two iPod touches, and you can start to understand how iOS updates faster.
Obviously, the manufacturers release updates anyways because otherwise their customers would hate them, their reputation would go way down, and they'd never be able to sell anything to anyone. However, they can still afford to take their time, especially since developers are more than happy to do that work for them.
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All good points. To address the section I've bolded, I refer to a point Chainfire gave in response to a pocketnow.com article. ICS isn't a broken or a product flop but a bigger OS jump for the phones than the tablets. The Transformer Prime updated first cause it was an easier transition from honeycomb. The phones requiring more work are taking longer.
Now on top of that point, the OEM's are adding their skins like sense, motoblur, touchwiz and the like. A shame in most cases but it is what it is. It also adds to the delay. More so as ICS is a bigger upgrade iteration then Gingerbread or Froyo was.
While no direct financial gain is to be had from OEM's investing in these upgrades, there is reputation. Of course a good upgrade cycle experience would encourage repeat business rather than consumers abandon a certain OEM's phones or android entirely which a portion of people are doing.
This of course leads to other questions, ones that may need their own thread.
Questions like should android OEM's embrace a less is more strategy. Fewer styles phones with more focus and polish. Can Google enforce its android alliance, or is Google even willing to. Or should it focus smashing the patent war?
I think whatever we see put out of Asus and Moto in the next 18 months will address these questions I've asked.
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Dude, it's too early to say that. Do you really hope that Samsung or other manufacturers would bail JB? Because I really hope they don't. You're being a bit too pessimistic here.
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I sure hope they don't but then again that's what they are doing right now. ics is a major iteration, the biggest change Android has ever had, Android reconceived from scratch. And yet they skipped it, or worse, somehow saw the need to disfigure it. what makes you think they wouldn't do the same when jb comes out, which, as many people believe, will probably introduce a smaller margin to ics than ics did to gb.
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I sure hope they don't but then again that's what they are doing right now. ics is a major iteration, the biggest change Android has ever had, Android reconceived from scratch. And yet they skipped it, or worse, somehow saw the need to disfigure it. what makes you think they wouldn't do the same when jb comes out, which, as many people believe, will probably introduce a smaller margin to ics than ics to gb.
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Well no one knows the future. All we can do is cross our fingers and hope that oems would update our device.
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It's a giant clusterfuck of stupidity from all sides.
1. The manufacturers want you to upgrade more frequently. In their eyes, they have no incentive to push timely upgrades because they would make people keep their phones longer.
2. The carriers pressure the manufacturers into skinning Android because they apparently don't a bunch of Android devices that look to be running the same software next to the iPhone. They feel as though they need variety in hardware AND software on their sales floors. This leads to slower adoption as new skins for new versions of Android have to be made by companies that really have no business making software of this kind.
3. Google has basically just been sitting idly by while all of their effort to make what is without a doubt the best mobile OS out there (ICS) is destroyed/ignored by the manufacturers and carriers.
Here's why they're all misguided:
1. The manufacturers are more focused on tricking people into upgrading instead of providing people with the best products available. This is where companies like Apple excel whereas others just don't get it.
2. The carriers don't need a bunch of different skins on their Android devices. This just does not logically follow. Windows machines have been sold on the same sales floor for years without problems. The distinction should be in hardware, not crippling software differences that fragment the user experience.
3. Google needs to do one thing: expand the Nexus line. They can't really impose restrictions on manufacturers like Microsoft can because Android is open source. Three devices in as many years just isn't enough, ESPECIALLY when the current Nexus device is only on one carrier. Imagine two Nexus devices (a larger one and a smaller one) on the four major carriers? That would seriously improve the Android brand. The vast majority of consumers have no idea what ICS even looks like. That is truly a shame at this point.
Gingerbread is a solid OS but it just isn't polished enough to compare to iOS at first glance (and remember, first glance is what sells phones). ICS is essentially a gorgeous version of Gingerbread that blows iOS out of the water. Consumers are getting the shaft by not being able to experience it. Thank god my Captivate has a couple stock ICS ROMs here on XDA. Otherwise, I'd be pretty frustrated with my mobile phone experience at this point.
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Do you guys think well get the s3 apps like the camera and the s talk and eye tracking and all that like would it be possible or is the stuff based on hardware cause in my opinion since the s3 lte is going to probably be the same processor of the note I feel the note with the s3 futures will be either a very good competition or actually be a better phone for those who can use big phones
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Knowing Samsung history its very doubtful.
Would it be possible fir a developer to somehow get the futures from the s3 and put them on the note?
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Do you guys think well get the s3 apps like the camera and the s talk and eye tracking and all that like would it be possible or is the stuff based on hardware cause in my opinion since the s3 lte is going to probably be the same processor of the note I feel the note with the s3 futures will be either a very good competition or actually be a better phone for those who can use big phones
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If anything the GS3 would be using the S4 snapdragon which is the MSM8960 paired with the adreno 225, unlike the Note which uses the S3 snapdragon MSM8660 (IIRC) paired with the adreno 220. So not exactly the same chips...
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Officially? No. Unofficially? Yes.
This is Samsung's way to get people to purchase new phones. In other countries outside the US, 2 year contracts dont exist which frees customers to upgrade phones as often as they wish. Releasing new features for new phones keeps people buying the newest Samsung phones. Here in the states, its a different story.
FOR THE MOST PART, this is one of the few areas where Apple has done it right, firmware updates are generally speaking fast and frequent giving new features and functionality nearly every month or two. Yes, there are exceptions (most recently, Siri) but Apples' business model is based on the US cell model.
HOWEVER, this doesnt mean these features wont be ported by the community, just as Siri is now available unofficially for just about all Apple ipads, iphones and itouches.
Of course, this is my opinion, all speculation.
I wondered the same thing as the OP. And I agree with littlewierdo. I think it may be possible for these new features, which are mostly software, to be ported over to the Note. Only time will tell.
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I doubt Samsung will ever port any of the new software features over from the SGS3 they just sent out ICS and premium suite to the carriers I think thats all the software upgrades we'll see from Samsung to our phones. But I do think we have some really great Devs on here that will port some of the SGS3's software features to our devices in Mods or Roms. As to when this will happen I'd guess not til late fall 2012 after the SGS3 source code is out and the Devs have had enough time to figure out and write those features for our device. But like I said we have some great Devs on here so who knows they keep surprising me perhaps will see those roms/mods earlier.
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... they just sent out ICS and premium suite to the carriers I think thats all the software upgrades we'll see from Samsung to our phones....
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Id really like to know where the notion that Samsung has sent ICS to carriers came from. To my knowledge, there has been nothing officially stated that I know of except that Samsung stated Notes would BEGIN seeing ICS in Q2 of this year, but ICS will likely roll out STARTING in Korea and move to different regions over time, as has been the case with EVERY roll out Samsung has done. The Captivate didnt see Gingerbread until nearly a year AFTER it started rolling out in Korea.
I could very well be wrong here but based on Samsung's track record for releases and the fact that there has not been anything official that I know of besides a vague statement by Samsung about a Q2 update, I dont see anything happening. It might feel like something is coming but we dont even have a ready for prime time leak yet...
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Officially? No. Unofficially? Yes.
This is Samsung's way to get people to purchase new phones. In other countries outside the US, 2 year contracts dont exist which frees customers to upgrade phones as often as they wish. Releasing new features for new phones keeps people buying the newest Samsung phones. Here in the states, its a different story.
FOR THE MOST PART, this is one of the few areas where Apple has done it right, firmware updates are generally speaking fast and frequent giving new features and functionality nearly every month or two. Yes, there are exceptions (most recently, Siri) but Apples' business model is based on the US cell model.
HOWEVER, this doesnt mean these features wont be ported by the community, just as Siri is now available unofficially for just about all Apple ipads, iphones and itouches.
Of course, this is my opinion, all speculation.
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you are right.. Koreans are very trendy people. My cousin and his friends change phone every 6 months or so.
There is that "official" update link that Samsung mobile usa on twitter keeps referring people to, but that only shows one device with official update as of now.
As far as the OP question, it is very likely that we will see someone port these over since most of the new software uses the same base hardware (i.e. NFC in conjunction with wifi direct, or front facing camera for eye tracking, etc). I realize that the cameras may be different or the exact model of the NFC chipset or other hardware may differ, but it is software and can be changed to utilize our device specific hardware. Since these new programs were built on existing technology(that the note shares) it is highly likely to eventually see these incorporated.
It will take talent and time, but it is very likely that in later stages of development we will see potential unlocked... Or unwrapped, lol
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I'm sure someone will be able to port it at some point, but I wouldn't count on it happening anytime soon, and probably not even this year. I'm not basing this on a ton of information, but I've been following the Note forum for awhile since I decided to hold out for the S3 and as far as I know there still isn't a great leak without bugs for ICS, which was pretty much "guaranteed" by all the forum members as soon as the Note released in the US.
I could be wrong, but that's just what I've seen.
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I'm sure someone will be able to port it at some point, but I wouldn't count on it happening anytime soon, and probably not even this year. I'm not basing this on a ton of information, but I've been following the Note forum for awhile since I decided to hold out for the S3 and as far as I know there still isn't a great leak without bugs for ICS, which was pretty much "guaranteed" by all the forum members as soon as the Note released in the US.
I could be wrong, but that's just what I've seen.
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Well once the full official update comes out, we will be golden. Would be nice if CM9 supported our phone and not just the international.
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Based on past Windows Phones, etc and the Lumia's similar hardware to many Android phones, do any seasoned Windows developers think it is possible?
I'd buy the Lumia 920 in a heartbeat if it wasn't a Windows Phone.
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Based on past Windows Phones, etc and the Lumia's similar hardware to many Android phones, do any seasoned Windows developers think it is possible?
I'd buy the Lumia 920 in a heartbeat if it wasn't a Windows Phone.
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I would assume that most people would not buy this if it was an Android phone
Unless the phone was actually released I would not expect any replies on this one.
Windows phone is much better then android. The only avantage of an android phone is the freedom of modification. Windows phone is much much saver and smoother then android and the importants thing is thay you can do EVERVTHING what android also can do. So its your choice which os you prefer but for ME and many other people its wp which makes the phone much more decenter.
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Lumia Running Android? :crying:
Close thread please..
Buy a N9 and run Android on it.
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Buy a N9 and run Android on it.
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Better yet buy an Android phone...
try on 920 android whene i buy it
Honestly I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Android JB. Atm only the HOX matches this phone in terms of design and hardware but the HOX is a broken product. And to all of you who claimed that this phone will not sell if it runs Android: wake up from your fanboyism. Had Nokia made Android phones they wouldnt have been losing 3 billion euro in the last 18 months including the run of the first Lumia line. Honestly 18 months ago if you'd asked people who they would buy from: Nokia or Samsung or HTC, I'm very sure that most of them would have said Nokia. Why cant they just be like Samsung, HTC and ZTE and leverage themselves on several platform? They didnt even have to contribute resources to the software, just use stock Android and they would be selling like hot cakes. The answer is clear: Elope. This guy will come down in history as the one who brought Nokia down. Period.
And PS the WP doesnt even have the apps that I've been using regular: Grindr, Jack'd, Temple run, Pixlr-o-matic, ANZ goMoney etc. In many cases there's no equivalent of them. And the WP fan boys keep saying their app store is good enough.
Good luck.
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Honestly I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Android JB. Atm only the HOX matches this phone in terms of design and hardware but the HOX is a broken product. And to all of you who claimed that this phone will not sell if it runs Android: wake up from your fanboyism. Had Nokia made Android phones they wouldnt have been losing 3 billion euro in the last 18 months including the run of the first Lumia line. Honestly 18 months ago if you'd asked people who they would buy from: Nokia or Samsung or HTC, I'm very sure that most of them would have said Nokia. Why cant they just be like Samsung, HTC and ZTE and leverage themselves on several platform? They didnt even have to contribute resources to the software, just use stock Android and they would be selling like hot cakes. The answer is clear: Elope. This guy will come down in history as the one who brought Nokia down. Period.
And PS the WP doesnt even have the apps that I've been using regular: Grindr, Jack'd, Temple run, Pixlr-o-matic, ANZ goMoney etc. In many cases there's no equivalent of them. And the WP fan boys keep saying their app store is good enough.
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Actually I am sure the phone would sell if it had android on it. But simply said it doesn't and most likely will not do that anytime soon.
Everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes. If the apps you have are only available for android, then bad luck, in my opinion you are missing out.
As however was already mentioned before, this point is completely useless and even though this post is only supporting that fact, I again would like to mention:
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Nokia slept waiting for some miracle (Symbian Something or Meego, or who knows) for too long while Apple and Android (more like Samsung) grew bigger and bigger. It was under the truck before Elop was in charge (why do you think the board accepted a new foreign CEO?). If anything happens to Nokia it is because of their own fault.
Anyway I expect the 920 to really succeed, it will be great to have more players in the market. If it turns to be 50% as good as it looks, then I will buy it.
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Honestly I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Android JB. Atm only the HOX matches this phone in terms of design and hardware but the HOX is a broken product. And to all of you who claimed that this phone will not sell if it runs Android: wake up from your fanboyism. Had Nokia made Android phones they wouldnt have been losing 3 billion euro in the last 18 months including the run of the first Lumia line. Honestly 18 months ago if you'd asked people who they would buy from: Nokia or Samsung or HTC, I'm very sure that most of them would have said Nokia. Why cant they just be like Samsung, HTC and ZTE and leverage themselves on several platform? They didnt even have to contribute resources to the software, just use stock Android and they would be selling like hot cakes. The answer is clear: Elope. This guy will come down in history as the one who brought Nokia down. Period.
And PS the WP doesnt even have the apps that I've been using regular: Grindr, Jack'd, Temple run, Pixlr-o-matic, ANZ goMoney etc. In many cases there's no equivalent of them. And the WP fan boys keep saying their app store is good enough.
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Actually after several years on android I might change to Windows. I noticed that since I have the freedom of doing so much personalisation on my android I'm never happy with how it looks and performs - I might as well try something new. Nokia is synonym for stability and performance (talking about the hardware) and I'm really looking forward to the camera. Off all android-specific apps I only really need one: google music - and that works by using Gooroovster.
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Actually I am sure the phone would sell if it had android on it. But simply said it doesn't and most likely will not do that anytime soon.
Everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes. If the apps you have are only available for android, then bad luck, in my opinion you are missing out.
As however was already mentioned before, this point is completely useless and even though this post is only supporting that fact, I again would like to mention:
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Yes true everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes to use, but look at how the WP fanboys trash the OP just because he/she asked if there's anyway to use Android on this device. Who provoked who first?
And the only thing Im missing out is the the NOkia hardware. I really dont give a rat's ass about M$ and their OS. Actually I consider it one of the main disadvantages of the phone.
And why close this thread? Isnt this a development forum where people come together to solve software issues? Im pretty sure this was never meant to be a trolling/ comparing thread. Some fan boys just need to chill out/ abstain from posting inflammatory comments and let people who have the solutions deal w it.
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Yes true everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes to use, but look at how the WP fanboys trash the OP just because he/she asked if there's anyway to use Android on this device. Who provoked who first?
And the only thing Im missing out is the the NOkia hardware. I really dont give a rat's ass about M$ and their OS. Actually I consider it one of the main disadvantages of the phone.
And why close this thread? Isnt this a development forum where people come together to solve software issues? Im pretty sure this was never meant to be a trolling/ comparing thread. Some fan boys just need to chill out/ abstain from posting inflammatory comments and let people who have the solutions deal w it.
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I agree, people should not get angry for such requests - everybody is free to ask for what they want. As you already said, the hardware is what I'm missing out as well, and who knows... I might even like Windows 8!
Mods, can this thread be closed ? This is going to just attract trolls.. and we know how we hate that here..
Obviously Nokia should be running Android. That's working out great for Samsung, right? Let's be realistic here. Aside from the money Nokia got from Microsoft for adopting Windows Phone, it's the better OS, on virtually every level.
I can say that objectively, too. I've had every major Android phone since the HTC Magic, including every Nexus device, and the HTC One X. I currently use a Galaxy Nexus. I've also had two Samsung Focuses, and a Nokia Lumia 900. I loved the OS. Absolutely loved it. Unfortunately, there was always some glaring flaw or glitch with the hardware that wouldn't let me keep running WP7. For instance, the Nokia I had (replaced twice) kept having issues disconnecting my calls for no reason. Kind of a problem, since I use my personal cell for meetings all day. The touch screen also annoyed me, as did the fit and finish, like the not-quite-flush SIM tray, and the rattling vibrate. No big deal, they've fixed most of that now, and I hear from a Lumia 900-owning friend that it's perfect.
Unfortunately, the Android game isn't going to last forever. OEMs are starting to realize that Google is never going to come to bat for them, and that running Android on all of their flagship devices is costing them a tremendous amount of time and money in legal battles. With Windows Phone, they pay a licensing fee, and Microsoft OWNS that OS. If they get sued over the OS, Microsoft is obligated to step in. Hardware is a different story, of course, but that's easy enough to overcome. If the Marketplace was up-to-par with iOS and Android, I don't think we'd be having this conversation. If WP7 was released a year earlier, that would definitely be the case. Thankfully, the Marketplace is getting much better, thanks to the likes of Nokia, and I see Samsung and HTC starting to help out in that arena.
Sure, Nokia is still hemorrhaging money. That may get fixed with time, or it may not. Nokia may go away. Thing is, if they had gone with Android, they'd be risking joining the same boat as Samsung. Sure, Samsung is on top of the world in smartphone sales, but how much of the profits they've earned do you think have been turned around and put into legal battles, R&D for redesigning hardware and software to get around injunctions, lost sales from injunctions, etc? Obviously they're still making a pretty solid profit, but I can guarantee you that that number is FAR higher than they're comfortable with. MeeGo could have been a real contender, but when you're really the only OEM building with the OS, it's hard for people to make that choice. Regardless, MeeGo is (unfortunately) gone now.
I, like many people, figured that Google was biding their time, waiting on just the right time to come to bat for Samsung and HTC, fighting off Microsoft's licensing fees, and Apple's ridiculous lawsuits, but they still haven't. Google is simply sitting back, waiting for the patent system to collapse instead. Problem is, even if that DOES eventually happen, it's certainly not going to be any time soon.
Do you think the OEMs don't see that? Do you think they don't care that they're being left out in the cold, to fend for themselves, while Google is reaping the benefits of their one-sided partnerships? Then, the second one of them tries to make a move to separate themselves from the Android pack, they get slapped on the wrist by Google for it, like the recent case with Acer. I notice that a lot of manufacturers are pulling out the stops for their WP8 offerings, where their WP7 offerings were mediocre (at best), even by WP7 standards. Going from the Samsung Focus to the Samsung ATIV, for example. Pretty epic stuff is happening, and I don't think it's entirely coincidental. I'm sure that some small part of all of these OEMs hopes that WP8 takes off, so that they can have a significant amount of marketshare in an environment where there's not such a constant legal risk.
I think that the Android ecosystem is going to start getting a little shaky in the next couple of years, especially if Microsoft can bring some more apps to the table for WP8. Let's just hope Nokia lasts that long, and Microsoft (and their customers) don't give up first.
Disclaimer: I realize that this is a pretty strong point of view, especially coming from someone who is enough of a fan to actually own Google and Android apparel. I'm not saying this is going to happen tomorrow, but I am saying that this is going to happen - eventually. Feel free to disagree with me, that's fine. Feel free to flame me about how much better Android is than Windows Phone. That's fine, it's your opinion. This is mine.
And, you know what? I'll give up all of these marvelous apps I have on Android to have my Zunepass back. Every single replacement I've tried on Android (MOG, etc) sucks. Give Windows Phone a chance, people. I can pretty much guarantee you'll like it a lot more than you think you will.
And, lastly... Sorry for the rant!
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Who is mad enough to buy that?
Nokia specs are nothing to be compared with Samsung and Apple LG HTC
So again why would anyone buy this limited phone with Android where there are S3/NoteII and HOX/+?
Its just a pointless request... Sorry to say that OP
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920 with Android!
Who is mad enough to buy that?
Nokia specs are nothing to be compared with Samsung and Apple LG HTC
So again why would anyone buy this limited phone with Android where there are S3/NoteII and HOX/+?
Its just a pointless request... Sorry to say that OP
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Nokia Specs are nothing compared to who? Obviously someone has done no homework. You must be one of those people.
That phone is a flagship phone with flagship specs. If I didn't have a contract less than a year in with my carrier, it would easily be my next phone. I was running Mango on my HD2 and it was smoother than any phone I've owned. Windows Phone8 should be a major player as long as it is shoved in everyones faces. Unfortunately most people tend to listen to the idiot next to them instead of researching and learning on their own(apple fanboys). Nokia Lumia 920 side by side with the iPhone 5 compares favorably. Next to the SIII it still is inline spec wise. The difference is in operating systems and App Markets. iOS, Android had a big head start, but Windows is catching up fast. The UI for Windows is on par with iOS and already surpasses Android(due to hardware fragmentation). The Windows market lacks the number of apps that Andoiod and iOS enjoy, however I'm not a big app fan and most Windows functionality is built right into the OS. Go to the Nokia Website and do a little snooping around and you'll get an eye opener. The only reason someone(cotulla) put android on the HD2 was because there was no other phone with those specs at the time. You want Android now buy an Android phone.
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Actually after several years on android I might change to Windows. I noticed that since I have the freedom of doing so much personalisation on my android I'm never happy with how it looks and performs.
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That's exactly how I feel too. The bad thing with being able to customize android is that I'm always looking at trying to make my phone better but am never really happy with it. I change ROMs all the time and I'm constantly waiting for the devs to update something or release something new to make my phone better, yet I'm never really satisfied. I think I'd like WP8 for the fact that I know I won't want to swap ROMs or do anything special with it because it'll run like butter out of the box, not like with android.
i don't get this whole 2 and throw android has some great hardware but let down by software. the real question shouldn't be can android run on lumia but more can we port windows phone to say the htc one x or even the one x+ I really don't get why a company that supports both os's don't just put both on the same hardware so you could buy either variant. Now that would sell like hot cakes!
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maybe its cos the sdcard card and small battery ?
what else ?
People are drinking the Apple and Samsung kool-aid
Made some terrible decisions, invested heavily in audio beats. Got very complacent and gave the initiative to Samsung who took it both hands and ran with it.
Launched poor products no sd card, no removable battery latter not end of the word.
HTC one x was good but they shot themselves in the foot by not including ext sd card.
HTC will have to get a move on with htc j butterfly if they want to win back their fans from Samsung.
HTC J butterfly can turn it around for them if they sort themselves out.
I would go back to htc in a flash since their products look better then the plastic polished crap Samsung use.
btw I'm using galaxy note 2, best phone on the market, which I'm very happy with but hate the plastic crap.
Samsung and Apple both produce one core line of phone and push it across all carriers, at least for their main line phone. HTC produces custom phones and is inconsistent with there phones. They've produced top, middle and bottom tier phones which give consumers mixed feelings and not a consistent experience access the board. I think Samsung has done better at marketing to. HTC has great phones, and I believe the Chinese government will prop them up if they have to, they will bounce back.
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I'm glad this is happening because its going to force HTC to do what they used to do. Make phones that completely outmatched the competition. And when that happens and it will I'll gladly return.
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I think.its because they have too many phones, they need one phone on all carriers
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I think.its because they have too many phones, they need one phone on all carriers
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You right there HTC did spread themselves bit thin last year.
Focus one tablet, phablet, phone and that's it. I'm sure they will win over business unless Samsung drop their plastic craps.
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Poor business decisions and diminishing quality control will do that
Just basing this comment on some of my own experiences. I've never owned a Samsung so I can only go from what I've read/heard.
Currently on a Rezound and prior to that was the Dinc, Droid X2, Droid 2 Global and OG Droid (no particular order) Oh and the wife's iPhone 4S. Now some of my reasons, this is by far the WORST battery I have ever had. The Dinc wasn't terrible but I did expect more.
I believe part of the reason is the overlay of Sense. I loved it when I first used it now I'm just tired of it and I'm sure others are as well. You don't get the true experience of the Android OS which is extremely noticeable with the release of ICS. Lets not forget if your running true ICS and what a little Sense flavor there are countless Widgets to download.
Pile on everything mentioned above and you have a receipe for disaster.
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Typically, profits fall when a number of situations occur, all of which affect the bottom line and make investors unhappy.
1 - Fixed costs are too high relative to sales - the cost of running the business (people's salaries and benefits, office space, etc.)
2 - Sales are lower than forecasts - competitors took market share away that HTC was planning on having but didn't get (Apple, Samsung, etc.)
A way to offset high fixed costs is to move jobs to countries where labor costs are lower for salaried and hourly jobs. The trend with tech companies is to establish facilities in China near the supply base. Not only do you reduce fixed costs, but you also reduce freight costs - freight on board is reduced (the transit time for inbound materials to the manufacturing facilities is significantly reduced so money isn't tied up into materials while the materials are being shipped point to point), expediting costs aren't as much of a necessity because materials aren't traveling half way around the world if production was in North America but materials are coming from Taiwan for example... There are a lot of pluses from a corporate profit standpoint as you can see.
When sales are lower than forecasts, quarterly earnings targets are missed and investors never like to see that. Investors have a major interest in quarterly projections and in companies being able to hit their targets. Investors are very quick to leap to conclusions about a company's future when a quarterly report announces that targets have been missed. Stock prices are adversely affected and investors look at other options that can make them more money. If quarter after quarter, the story continues to be consistent, the company's Board of Directors starts to get antsy and they put major pressure on the CEO and CFO to get back on track. Many C-level executives lose their jobs because of quarterly and annual losses. Talk about pressure!
Investors want to see profits that not only meet expectation, but they also want to see smart decisions being made for long term profitability. I haven't personally followed HTC's news but I'm concerned with the recent declaration that HTC isn't doing well financially. I'll be checking out some facts this weekend so thanks for the post!
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You right there HTC did spread themselves bit thin last year.
Focus one tablet, phablet, phone and that's it. I'm sure they will win over business unless Samsung drop their plastic craps.
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I completely agree. I think it's the main problem with Android distribution method. If each carrier only had a handful of devices, the better.
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I completely agree. I think it's the main problem with Android distribution method. If each carrier only had a handful of devices, the better.
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I agree with this. If HTC went to a few flagship models, and they used those hardware models for all the carriers, they could focus more on getting those smartphones right, with both hardware and software.
I know people don't want to hear this but as someone who absolutely loves Android, I still feel that apple makes a hell of a device. I would like to see HTC use the resources that are so spread out currently, and focus on making a few top tier phones that are of that same build quality as the iPhone or the couple of Android phones that came close over the years.
But I also feel that way about Android in general. I would like to see Google start to have higher standards for devices from manufacturers, and instead of making android work good on a million and one devices, make it work incredibly well on a smaller number of devices.
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Just basing this comment on some of my own experiences. I've never owned a Samsung so I can only go from what I've read/heard.
Currently on a Rezound and prior to that was the Dinc, Droid X2, Droid 2 Global and OG Droid (no particular order) Oh and the wife's iPhone 4S. Now some of my reasons, this is by far the WORST battery I have ever had. The Dinc wasn't terrible but I did expect more.
I believe part of the reason is the overlay of Sense. I loved it when I first used it now I'm just tired of it and I'm sure others are as well. You don't get the true experience of the Android OS which is extremely noticeable with the release of ICS. Lets not forget if your running true ICS and what a little Sense flavor there are countless Widgets to download.
Pile on everything mentioned above and you have a receipe for disaster.
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You're on XDA and there are 99% stable AOSP ROMs available. Get on it
Too many android devices. With every different brand putting out new phones every couple months, there will be large fluctuation in any company profits.
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You're on XDA and there are 99% stable AOSP ROMs available. Get on it
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He means straight out of the box.
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I agree with this. If HTC went to a few flagship models, and they used those hardware models for all the carriers, they could focus more on getting those smartphones right, with both hardware and software.
I know people don't want to hear this but as someone who absolutely loves Android, I still feel that apple makes a hell of a device. I would like to see HTC use the resources that are so spread out currently, and focus on making a few top tier phones that are of that same build quality as the iPhone or the couple of Android phones that came close over the years.
But I also feel that way about Android in general. I would like to see Google start to have higher standards for devices from manufacturers, and instead of making android work good on a million and one devices, make it work incredibly well on a smaller number of devices.
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Nexus!
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He means straight out of the box.
Nexus!
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If HTC would have had better designs in the last year, Google would have picked them for the nexus 4
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Popping my xda cherry with this post guise, but I'm in no way a noob. I've had minimal experience with android (aside from Bluestacks and other people's phones) as I have yet to own one, but I'm an iOS expert (sorry xD) that has switched over to the android side, thanks to Xperia lol
I keep hearing that Google's Nexus is the only way to experience the real/true/pure android, or whatever. Aside from delayed updates and bloatware, what exactly does this mean ? I've heard this is the case, to a frustrating extent, on Samsung devices (which doesn't even matter because I'm anti-Samsung) but does this also apply to Sony's Xperia line ? And if so, to what extent ?
Of course most of it should be removable via rooting and custom ROMs and such (which I will definitely do, at the very least to get rid of CarrierIQ), but is there any other sort of unmanageable difference between Nexus and other android devices ? Specifically, Xperias.
I've tried Jellybean on a Sola, and was overly impressed. But the interwebz have scared me and, being the nerdy tweaker type, I don't wanna stumble upon this frustration after getting the device.
PS. I plan on getting a GSM unlocked (outside the states) Sony Xperia Z, in case it's relevant. Any general advice is also welcome!
Essentially the completely stock Android user interface is, for many people, a great interface because of how clean it is and it's unparalleled performance. It also gets extra points for the limited number of extra unnecessary features - Android itself can take care of that, it just takes some research (trips to this site and the Google Play Store, for example). Carrier skins aren't exactly bad (not at all in my opinion, actually, I really like a lot of them), they're just criticized when they include unnecessary bloat (like games) and also when they release features that don't work well or aren't very helpful. They also used to be very heavily criticized for their hit on performance, but that's less of a problem now that the modern flagships are extremely powerful.
Sony is pretty good about pushing out Android updates, especially to their flagships like the Xperia Z. It's also often been said that Xperia eDream (the UI that the Xperia line uses an overlay skin on Android) is one of the lightest and most 'true-to-stock' full-blown overlays. Other companies have modified Android far less, but in those cases they only really add a widget or two which isn't all that helpful or interesting. In my personal opinion, Xperia eDream is superb - it's extremely smooth, clean, and elegant, and has a bunch of subtle but fancy animations that don't at all hinder performance.
As a side note, I don't think the Xperia Z has CarrierIQ installed... after their presence was unearth a year or so ago they were largely removed from most phones. I could be wrong, though.
There isn't a massive difference between the Xperia line and the Nexus line once you rule out the software differences (which can be fixed). The only real difference I can think of is perhaps the lack of a navigation bar for the Xperia line, which can actually be implemented via software too even though it's not really logical since you have capacitive buttons right underneath. They can be disabled, but then you're just using up screen real estate.
Also, Samsung is actually also pretty good about pushing out regular Android updates, again especially for their flagships. Samsung is often criticized, though, for their UI (Touchwiz) because it has a bunch of features that are primarily gimmicky and aren't often used in day-to-day usage and also due to it's cartoonish look.
The OEM to look out for that hardly ever updates their phones (even their flagships) in a timely manner is HTC.
Of course, this is where this site comes into play - if there's enough support (and I assure you essentially any flagship from a big-name OEM will get plenty of support, Xperia Z included) you can enjoy the latest version of Android for years to come. Of course, the Nexus line still gets the best support (the ancient Nexus phones like the Nexus S and Nexus One still get decent support, especially the Nexus S) but regardless you'll get great support for Android versions.
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Thank you for extensive, detailed reply.
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Carrier skins aren't exactly bad (not at all in my opinion, actually, I really like a lot of them), they're just criticized when they include unnecessary bloat (like games) and also when they release features that don't work well or aren't very helpful. They also used to be very heavily criticized for their hit on performance, but that's less of a problem now that the modern flagships are extremely powerful.
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This isn't really a problem for me, as I plan to get the phone GSM unlocked, thereby officially not belonging to any carrier. I simply mentioned this as it is the number one argument I hear when people talk about "real vs fake android"
Sony is pretty good about pushing out Android updates, especially to their flagships like the Xperia Z.
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See, I thought so too. But I mentioned a Sola that a friend of mine has. He only recently updated to Jellybean, upon my advice and instructions, because his phone never told him there was an update. I walked him through the rooting process merely to achieve this. It was pretty disappointing, especially since the Sola has been out for a while.
It's also often been said that Xperia eDream (the UI that the Xperia line uses an overlay skin on Android) is one of the lightest and most 'true-to-stock' full-blown overlays. Other companies have modified Android far less, but in those cases they only really add a widget or two which isn't all that helpful or interesting. In my personal opinion, Xperia eDream is superb - it's extremely smooth, clean, and elegant, and has a bunch of subtle but fancy animations that don't at all hinder performance.
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This is really what I wanted to hear. Thank you.
As a side note, I don't think the Xperia Z has CarrierIQ installed... after their presence was unearth a year or so ago they were largely removed from most phones. I could be wrong, though.
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As far as I know, only Apple has claimed to remove it from iOS5+. But really, why not look into it ? Aside from the privacy concerns, it hogs battery, performance and bandwidth, regardless of whether or not you're on billable internet or not.
There isn't a massive difference between the Xperia line and the Nexus line once you rule out the software differences (which can be fixed).
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As long as software differences are tweakable, they don't bother me.
The only real difference I can think of is perhaps the lack of a navigation bar for the Xperia line, which can actually be implemented via software too even though it's not really logical since you have capacitive buttons right underneath. They can be disabled, but then you're just using up screen real estate.
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You're right, that's just silly.
Also, Samsung is actually also pretty good about pushing out regular Android updates, again especially for their flagships. Samsung is often criticized, though, for their UI (Touchwiz) because it has a bunch of features that are primarily gimmicky and aren't often used in day-to-day usage and also due to it's cartoonish look.
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My hatred for Samsung is more on a corporate level. Touchwiz is ****, but my hatred for the company itself trumps this. Everyone seems to have forgotten this, but in the pre-Galaxy days, before Samsung disturbed the force of the smartphone world, it was famed for being the cheapest brand out there. Be in TV's, PC hardware, ACs, you name it. They always provide barely par products much cheaper than the competition, and for this reason I have no respect for them, as they slow the industry, and technological development in general, by doing this, rather than being innovative and creative.
The OEM to look out for that hardly ever updates their phones (even their flagships) in a timely manner is HTC.
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I've personally never liked HTC, always felt like an i-mate knock off, but thank you. I know many HTC fanbois that need to know this.
Of course, this is where this site comes into play - if there's enough support (and I assure you essentially any flagship from a big-name OEM will get plenty of support, Xperia Z included) you can enjoy the latest version of Android for years to come. Of course, the Nexus line still gets the best support (the ancient Nexus phones like the Nexus S and Nexus One still get decent support, especially the Nexus S) but regardless you'll get great support for Android versions.
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Hence why I posted here. Again, thank you for all that info!
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Thank you for extensive, detailed reply.
This isn't really a problem for me, as I plan to get the phone GSM unlocked, thereby officially not belonging to any carrier. I simply mentioned this as it is the number one argument I hear when people talk about "real vs fake android"
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Oops, sorry, I mistyped that reply, actually. I was referring to OEM skins - there's not such a thing as a 'Carrier skin'. Carriers do install their own suite of bloat, though, on top of the OEM skin, so it's good you're getting a GSM unlocked version, which makes for a more 'pure' experience, like you wanted.
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See, I thought so too. But I mentioned a Sola that a friend of mine has. He only recently updated to Jellybean, upon my advice and instructions, because his phone never told him there was an update. I walked him through the rooting process merely to achieve this. It was pretty disappointing, especially since the Sola has been out for a while.
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The Xperia Sola is a low-end device, and low-end devices are not normally targeted for the tech-oriented market and as such oftentimes the users of them don't care (or even know, for that matter) what version of Android they're running. The hardware in the Sola (especially the paltry 512MB of RAM) also makes it an illogical choice to upgrade to the latest version of Android, because newer versions of Android are more focused on multi-tasking which doesn't cater well to low RAM. The newer versions also press down harder on the processor and have fancier animations, which can result in a more laggy experience if it's not very well optimized.
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My hatred for Samsung is more on a corporate level. Touchwiz is ****, but my hatred for the company itself trumps this. Everyone seems to have forgotten this, but in the pre-Galaxy days, before Samsung disturbed the force of the smartphone world, it was famed for being the cheapest brand out there. Be in TV's, PC hardware, ACs, you name it. They always provide barely par products much cheaper than the competition, and for this reason I have no respect for them, as they slow the industry, and technological development in general, by doing this, rather than being innovative and creative.
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Fair enough. Samsung can be a bit unimaginative in their designs, I agree on that.
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I've personally never liked HTC, always felt like an i-mate knock off, but thank you. I know many HTC fanbois that need to know this.
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The problem that HTC has with updates is in the past they pushed out a HUGE number of phones in a short period of time. If you've got 100+ phones released in the past year it gets difficult to support the latest version of Android on every single one.
HTC this year is trying to turn that around by releasing only one key flagship (HTC One) and a few minor other phones. Hopefully with that their support for the latest Android version will improve.
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Hence why I posted here. Again, thank you for all that info!
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Sure.
So, I've owned only Android devices since I began buying smartphones and tablets, but I really feel like very little has changed with regards to Android's performance ever since the Snapdragon 800 in 2013. Even the addition of more RAM and higher-spec processors hasn't really changed much about the AOSP experience, and my old (GPE-converted) Galaxy S4 still feels like I could throw most anything at it.
With the Nexus 6P finally bringing the last few things I really wanted in a mobile phone (the fingerprint sensor, metal, 1440p AMOLED, pure Android without compromising the camera, USB-C), I'm really thinking that this may be my last Android phone for a long while. I feel like, while equally unnecessary, the N6P will offer the pinnacle of stock Android, while rounding out the feature set of all I look for. I was debating whether to cheap out and buy a N5X for dev and general mucking about, but I think I will instead commit to getting the 6P for the above reasons.
My last upgrade to the G3 was almost unnecessary, even though I love the phone. I only upgraded, since my S4's power button broke and headphone jack got a bit wonky. Had that not happened, I think I'd be still using it today as my DD. I didn't even feel the itch to upgrade to any of this year's devices (except the Nexus phones and the buzz around the fp sensor and camera), and I've already had the device for more than a year.
While it may be an unpopular opinion around these parts, I think I may switch to an iPhone (probably the 7+) when my contract is up just to see how that platform improves over the next couple of years. A second GB of RAM totally changed that phone, which shows just how behind they are in some aspects, and where potential lies. I just don't see Android making any earth-shattering changes, mostly because it doesn't need to anymore. OEMs drive their own crap update cycle by bogging down their updates and the like, a problem which never existed on my GPE-converted S4, and won't exist on the Nexus.
Don't really know why I felt like making this post, but I did. :silly:
I agree with you on certain points.
But remember,
my old (GPE-converted) Galaxy S4 still feels like I could throw most anything at it.
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You did something to your phone in order to be fast / smooth / etc. While we as a community continue to do this and find ways to improve everything.. Android (stock) has come a long way.
I'm really thinking that this may be my last Android phone for a long while.
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You reasoning for this is there is nothing really new on Android and Android phones haven't really evolved much but the same goes for iOS. This coming from someone who keeps going back and forth from Android to iOS. iOS is much more polished and needs less specs to run smooth, but you also have to remember they only have to worry about support their own hardware. And while yes, there has been phone upgrades from Apple (bigger screen, etc.), this is stuff Android has been doing for a long time.
It's kind of hard honestly.. after a certain point.. development / upgrades happen slower.. when jumping from phone to phone now, things don't seem like much of an upgrade. I think that's because we upgrade phones so often now, we don't notice the differences as much. But say you had to keep your S4 for another year without the ability to root / install a custom ROM, I'm sure you'd be all over the N6P.
While XDA has made Android development much bigger and contributed in a positive way, it has also kind of spoiled us and made us think the way you are.
For me the big things that keep me on android are customization and the ability to do what I want with the phone (not what Apple or anyone else wants me to do). I would love to say this would be my last phone for a while but 2 things will prevent that....
1. I'm a tech junkie
2. Android support is 2 years
Well, the LG G3 isnt the best phone... you'll probably like the Nexus 6P a LOT!
I said that with the Nexus 6. I might still keep the Nexus 6 but I'm at least going to give the 6P a shot.
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I'm not far behind but not because Android vs Apple but because my life centers around MS products. I work in IT, exclusively with MS products. Why is my mobile device on a different ecosystem?
I'm excited for what MS has in store for their APIs that allow ios and Android apps to behave as if they're in their natural environment. I think this approach is going to flatten the playing field and OS will no longer matter.
Now if they could just make tech without built in obsolescion the market will start filling with devices that have purpose instead of purely consumerism. There WILL be a threshold of device waste that will force our hand.
Excel made some good points. And I too felt the same about not seeing much improvement from my phone but the continuous development thru ROMs makes it seems like the progress is small but it not....if you tally up the progress over the 1 year iPhone life cycle it is a lot of progress.
Google has too many things going on and unfortunately doesn't take the time to perfect their products except their search engine. They rather create a new product versus refining an existing one.
Imagine if google only had drive, no gmail, no G+, a tablet, one PC, and Android that ran on a single phone from one manufacturer....say LG. And Kept that same phone and just improved the hardware each year and the software as well....and diverted all other efforts towards perfecting that single device. That phone would be light years ahead of apple. Instead google has close to 200 products and services they wear themselves thin with. And tackling the immense task of attempting to make android run seemless and smooth on
Almost 19,000 devices instead of on just a handful of devices plus one phone is the difference between google and apple.
With that said and even with google continuing to expand like they do....I still think Google's android os running on top tier android devices will surpass IPhones in all aspects in couple years.
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You did something to your phone in order to be fast / smooth / etc. While we as a community continue to do this and find ways to improve everything.. Android (stock) has come a long way.
You reasoning for this is there is nothing really new on Android and Android phones haven't really evolved much but the same goes for iOS. This coming from someone who keeps going back and forth from Android to iOS. iOS is much more polished and needs less specs to run smooth, but you also have to remember they only have to worry about support their own hardware. And while yes, there has been phone upgrades from Apple (bigger screen, etc.), this is stuff Android has been doing for a long time
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Partially correct on the first point. It is fundamentally still "stock" (no kernel mods/custom features) on GPE firmware, but yes, I haven't tried stock since the original shipping firmware. I haven't rooted my phones since putting GPE on the S4. My Nexus 9, the G3, and the S4 all run unrooted, the former two of which are on stock firmware. The biggest pain about Android is debloating carrier crapware, a problem nonexistent on Nexus devices.
I feel like Android has matured to the point that there is little left to give. As far as supporting their own stuff, that's why I feel like the N6P would be the ultimate.
WoodroweBones said:
For me the big things that keep me on android are customization and the ability to do what I want with the phone (not what Apple or anyone else wants me to do). I would love to say this would be my last phone for a while but 2 things will prevent that....
1. I'm a tech junkie
2. Android support is 2 years
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I agree, but customisation is so easy to do on Android without mods or root. The only other phone I was considering was the S6 edge +, which is also comparably restrictive. I just haven't felt the need to root since the S4.
An iPhone, on the other hand, I would be keen to jailbreak instantly. Quite a lot of interesting tweaks come out of Apple's "crack R&D team" (like swipeselection....), and jailbreaking is the only way to stay on that edge and get appropriate customisation.
I would also be using pretty much solely Google apps there anyway, since the default apps are kinda terrible.
bsg411 said:
Google has too many things going on and unfortunately doesn't take the time to perfect their products except their search engine. They rather create a new product versus refining an existing one.
Imagine if google only had drive, no gmail, no G+, a tablet, one PC, and Android that ran on a single phone from one manufacturer....That phone would be light years ahead of apple. Instead google has close to 200 products and services they wear themselves thin with.
With that said and even with google continuing to expand like they do....I still think Google's android os running on top tier android devices will surpass IPhones in all aspects in couple years.
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But the diversity is the beauty of Google. The fact that they move the ecosystem forward and have a constant stream of novelty across their business is what helps them succeed. Android itself doesn't really need more improvement, is my argument. It's already there, and their job is to create new services to drive the platform.
Android as an OS already far exceeds that of iOS IMO, especially with Google Now. What I want to see is how Apple catches , since their platform seems to still be in flux (as far as performance and service delivery goes).
You'll change your mind when they release the Nexus 14z, which will project it's 16k display directly to your brain, and be able to read your thoughts instead of having to speak "OK Google".
I'm serious, because Google will have perfected mind control by then and we'll all be drones.
All hail Masters Page and Brin, our merciful overlords!
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Seriously though, I admire your pragmatic upgrade preferences on smartphones.
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But the diversity is the beauty of Google. The fact that they move the ecosystem forward and have a constant stream of novelty across their business is what helps them succeed. Android itself doesn't really need more improvement, is my argument. It's already there, and their job is to create new services to drive the platform.
Android as an OS already far exceeds that of iOS IMO, especially with Google Now. What I want to see is how Apple catches , since their platform seems to still be in flux (as far as performance and service delivery goes).
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I agree with you the software is better but implementing all the services via the OS on a multitude of devices is a difficult task. However starting with this 6P nexus devices I think are on par with iPhone (hardware and software) and I bet will surpass the iPhone 7 next year.
I just wish they worked with one manufacturer to help perfect the hardware and built on a good hardware design instead of going back and forth with with hardware features and designs .....kinda like the 5x with 6P features.
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If the 6P lives up to the hype, the improvements left are physics stuff: battery life, moar camera, lighter/thinner/stronger, waterproof, sapphire display.
That said, iPhones have been such a bitter disappointment since the Gingerbread days. I'm on Apple for the most part (MBr, iMac 5k) and would consider switching to iOS but the differentiators that custom Androids offer simply aren't there, or even possible. The current crop of crippled hardware is missing too much. When Apple makes a real retina display (eg AMOLED 2k) and loses the oversized HTC-ish bezels it'll be worth another look. Assuming Apple gives out widgets, call recording & MinMinGuard too.
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2. Android support is 2 years
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For a Nexus device the support window is 3 years. N5 is 2 years old and just recieved Android 6.0. It will continue to get updates for atleast another full year. Unfortunately that is likely to end when android N comes next fall.
Interesting that this phone has everything you ever wanted. Did you know you wanted a 1440p phone with a fingerprint scanner 2 years ago? Probably not. I'm sure innovation will continue, though maybe slowly. I'd like to see better battery tech.
This is how the technology cycle is. You cant have the same level of developments every year throughout the products/os cycle.
I believe many of the features we see added are already developed. They just hold back so they can have a balance of Big n small changes each year & also market couple of features as exclusives for the latest version.
It is the same with iOs as well. You will not see a lot of big changes. Many of them will be hardware based. As os's get more refined hardware dependency will reduce. Today you can get excellent performance from a mid range android device. Tomorrow it will spread to lower end devices aswell. In principal its a good thing.
Right now the top most focus for any R&D of software or hardware company is battery life. The company that cracks it will play a major role.
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If the 6P lives up to the hype, the improvements left are physics stuff: battery life, moar camera, lighter/thinner/stronger, waterproof, sapphire display.
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Really? People are still hung up on sapphire? Sapphire is brittle. I want foldable screens. I still believe Nokia's concept of a phone that trifolds and then bends to fit as a watch is the future. No more carrying a giant brick in my pocket.
Spaderess said:
For a Nexus device the support window is 3 years. N5 is 2 years old and just recieved Android 6.0. It will continue to get updates for atleast another full year. Unfortunately that is likely to end when android N comes next fall.
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True... I guess for me I mean 2 years of getting a new android version but yeah technically 3 years support I suppose.
warplane95 said:
Well, the LG G3 isnt the best phone... you'll probably like the Nexus 6P a LOT!
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A G3 running BlissPop ROM is truly a thing of beauty! It's incredibly compact and lightweight for a 5.5" phone, and it flies without the LG software on it. It has a great camera (a step behind the current best, but I've had very few pictures I wasn't very happy with), and the screen as much better than it's reputation indicates it should be ... mostly, I think, because the default brightness is quite low. And the battery life is quite good ... I end most days with 50% after about 1.5 hours of SOT.
I'm mostly upgrading to the 6P because I usually buy a new phone every 6-9 months, but it's been 14 months and I need a new shiny object to fondle. I'm honestly not expecting it to be a whole lot better than the G3 for me ... better screen, better speakers (I hope) and a fingerprint reader may or may not be enough to compensate for the substantial increase in bulk. I had a Note 5 for a week, and it just didn't feel like much of an improvement so I sent it back, which I have never done before.
And my G3 has a replaceable battery, and I could probably be happy with it for 5 more years, if I wasn't such a gadget whore.
Of course I certainly don't think an iPhone is the answer .... that's just ridiculous!
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Here's an idea...try to find a friend with an iPhone who would be willing to trade with you for a week or something. Wipe the phones, trade your SIMs and see how the other side lives.
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Though it had it's issues, the Nexus 6 strong enough in all the categories that I stuck with it for a full year. The only thing strong enough to pull me away now is the 6P. I fully expect it to keep me locked in for the next year as well. However, it could be good enough that I don't feel the need to upgrade to next year's nexus. Only time will tell.