hELLO,
sorry if I post here I don't know if its the right section. I'm looking for a phone for a friend that can be use either with t-mobile and att in 3g or 4g.
I know that they use different frequencies but I was wondering if there is a phone that supports both frequencies for 3g and 4g speeds, or if there is a way to change the radio and make it work. Thank you so much..
To find a 4g phone is not that simple as I thought.
Read this
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2390355,00.asp
Well at&t nor Tmobile has a true 4g network at this time. They both use a 3.5g network that they advertise as 4g.
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I'm pretty confused. I'm wondering what's the difference between hspa+ and LTE? I know verizon currently has LTE and At&t has hspa+ but what is the difference between the 4g speeds , I mean 4g is supposed to be (100 mbps ) right? Also why does At&t call their 4g phones , "4g" when they are going to LTE for 4g speeds so doesn't that mean hspa+ phones are a ripoff, and you wasted you're money on a 4g paperweight?
marquavious said:
I'm pretty confused. I'm wondering what's the difference between hspa+ and LTE? I know verizon currently has LTE and At&t has hspa+ but what is the difference between the 4g speeds , I mean 4g is supposed to be (100 mbps ) right? Also why does At&t call their 4g phones , "4g" when they are going to LTE for 4g speeds so doesn't that mean hspa+ phones are a ripoff, and you wasted you're money on a 4g paperweight?
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hspa+ is fake 4g (though so is the current LTE, but hspa+ is just 3g hspa on steroids, not a new standard). On my HTC Thunderbolt with Verizon, I get anywhere from 16Mbps to 30Mbps, depending on where I am for LTE.
If you want to know more about LTE, I would suggest doing a search around one of the Verizon phone forums with LTE, such as the Thunderbolt, Charge or Bionic.
LTV vs HSPA+
I guess it depends on the flavor of each you are referring to, the backhaul the given provider attaches to their network, and the amount of spectrum they have. Comparing a given HSPA+ site to a LTE site and assuming same backhaul and same amount of spectrum, I think LTE pushes more bytes more quickly than the HSPA+ [21Mbps/14/7] that AT&T has deployed. However, T-Mobile is deploying a flavor of HSPA+ that is 42Mbps. Real world speeds of that network have been up around 30Mbps with the Rocket 3.0 which puts it on par with some of Verizon's LTE real world peak speeds. I don't know if AT&T has stated if they will go to that version of HSPA+ or not, and even if they do I am not sure they have enough spectrum to do that (without buying T-Mobile's). I would say LTE is better, and once AT&T, Verizon and Sprint roll out LTE Advanced with and VoLTE, that will be the best. As far as 4G, that organization that decides what is 4G (which by the way has changed it's mind at least once) says they want 100Mbps mobile and 1Gb fixed as the speed standard for 4G speeds. Of the HSPA+ phones I have played with in stores or owned by friends, I have not gotten one to break 11Mbps yet, and they generally seem to sit around 5.
How do you enable hspa+ on an atrix 4g? I can never seem to get the "H+" or "4g" icon, only H (i've checked inside the phone settings and it is definitely just hspa, not hspa+, or hspa: category 10 or otherwise)
I bought my atrix 4g off craigslist and used it on ATT straight talk for a month and had horrible speeds and never had hspa+ (only hspa) so I had the phone carrier unlocked and took it to tmobile monthly 4g but still I am only getting hspa (not hspa+).
Basically, is this phone capable of getting "pseduo-4g" hspa+ or is it locked to hspa? I've seen several mentions of ATT shipping the phone with hspa+ disabled, but no way of knowing how to enable it.
Other info: I am currently using neutrino ROM.
Thanks!
You will only get edge on t mobile with any att phone.............
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Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
tgeo said:
Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
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I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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fireforhire said:
I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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Except that Tmobile is refarming their 1900mhz pcs from 2g to 3g... so yeah you can. Las Vegas and Kansas City are already official... so what?
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Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, the Atrix 4G does 14.4mbps hspa, isn't the 21mbps the actual hspa+?
I know it may not be possible but, Hes talking about an ATRIX 4g. Not ATRIX 2. READ MUCH???
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The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
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The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
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I didn't know tmob where deploying a hspa frequency that at&T use. Thanks for that tip.
10Mbps achieved on Atrix on at&T 3g network here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1905464
hspa category 10 is 'characterized' as hspa+ but is not hspa+ (evolved hspa) and should not display h+ or 4g on the status bar for that reason. The 4g branding is exactly that... "branding" and at&T should have never used 4g in the name in my opinion. They always said "4g like speeds"
See post #4 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1912716 where there are also a couple links I posted that I found interesting on this subject.
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Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
tgeo said:
Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
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Only ics and jb display the additional radio info.
The key is that you are on a radio that is suited to your rom and provider. 36p and 37p are the two most popular at&t radios, 37p being the official production release and used on many releases. Both 36p and 37p operate at hspa 10. Each provider is at differing phases, as well as having differing standards in their network, for how they implement the any bells and whistles of cellular. There is so much to it.
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Terrible speeds with H+ Icon. Hspa marked as H+.
I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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Might get the app on Google Play called Antennas, it'll show you the cell sites/towers you're connected to on maps; if you're connected at a given mode (like HSPA or UMTS) but you're pretty far from the site/tower, that could be the primary reason you get the "terrible" speeds. Antennas does work best, however, by putting the phone in 2G/EDGE mode but it is capable of doing 3G/4G/HSPA/UMTS/etc as well.
I live literally across the street from the main site/tower that I stay connected to so I pull 5-8Mbps when I'm in HSPA+ mode but, I keep my Photon in 2G/EDGE mode probably 99% of the time, I have Wi-Fi at home also so there's just no reason to use up any of my 5GB of bandwidth for the "4G" side of things.
T-Mobile 1900 mhz service on Atrix 4G in MD!!
So having played with a couple of 4Gś @ work (and how unawesome they made my G2x look!) I purchased a combo phone and lapdock. This before i realized they worked on different frequencies!!! DOH!
Fortunately, T-Mobś been ahead of me on the curve. I read that they started the long road to providing their service to the souls stranded out in Verizon &/or AT&T limbo...
So I swapped my sim and...Yaaaay! 4 of 5 bars of....wait for it... H+!!!:laugh:
Then, BOOOOO! No data! No MMS. No internet!:crying:
A few hours of online (and Iḿ ashamed to say, trial and error build prop editing) plus 3 calls to T-Mob yielded this in an email:
¨APN settings for data and picture messaging (MMS): Android" on T-mobileś support page (as a noob I cannot post the link):silly:
Iḿ now docked, working, spotifying and sharing ´ẃif my XDA fam!¨
Hope this helps!
This is my first time having a 4G T-Mobile device. I managed to turn off the 4g, but is there an option to use 3G on these phones? Are 2G and HSPA+(besides wifi)the only options we have?
Juanito216 said:
This is my first time having a 4G T-Mobile device. I managed to turn off the 4g, but is there an option to use 3G on these phones? Are 2G and HSPA+(besides wifi) are the only options we have?
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L9 is not 4G (LTE) device. It seems T-Mobile is giving marginally faster 3G (HSDPA) and calling it as 4G (LTE). L9 does not have LTE hardware at all. Check manual by LG, they never call it 4G device. Seems T-Mobile is trolling with its customers since long time with this term though their speed is good.
I never thought it had LTE. From trying a speed test, the speed was comparable to Sprint wimax. I still call it 4G even if it's not "true 4g". Thanks for the clarification, that's understandable.
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The sad truth is Sprint's wimax and the currently deployed LTE iterations aren't 4G either. T-Mobile's LTE rel. 10 will be 4G.
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
I would like to know if there's a way to use the 4g connection. My phone only user H+ and EDGE.
It's an Atrix 4G Att 4.5.141 using Movistar Guatemala network. 4G enabled network around 4Ghz.
AFAIK, atrix doesnt have the 4g ability, although it says "4g" in its name
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I know 4G pretty much doesn't exist but I would like to know if there some way to go faster or if not being able to activate '4G' is something to do with unlocking the bootloader.
Atrix 4G is not a 4G phone. It has absolutely no possibility of achieving 4G speeds. Been discussed and explained before, try searching next time.
If it is helpful/of interest the theoretical max download over cellular on this device is 14Mbps (HSDPA class 10, ref phonearena.com). I have personally achieved 10Mbps. This is dependent on your location and network provider coverage.
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