Seems like when I use my phone for a while,it just slows down. Opening apps, hitting "home" and need to wait a few seconds before it jumps to the home sceen. My keyboard cant keep up with my typing. I noticed that a reboot doesn't solve the issue. But a battery pull does. Then it goes back to how it was.
Running latest bulletproof rom
My old G2 (moms phone now) smokes my amaze when it comes to speed. Does this have anything to do with sense UI?
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Slower responsiveness or slower data speeds? Or both?
I wouldn't think Sense is the culprit, mainly because the Amaze has so much more RAM to handle sense. My Amaze is significantly snappier than my Glacier... And the glacier is similar to the hd2 if I remember right.
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Not data speeds. Just actually speed of the phone. MAINLY opening and closing apps, pressing menu and then i have to wait a few seconds then it'll pop up....on the G2 its INSTANT. My old G2 seems zippier and more responsive. But when I had sense rom on my G2 is was noticeably slower. That's why I questioned sense
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Check your task manager to see your available RAM... Something is hogging it.
I don't have that problem on Energy, and I would be willing to bet that others on XB's ROM aren't having it either. Probably a rogue app if u ask me.
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I have maybe a handful of apps installed on my phone. I clear tasks occasionally. Doesn't seem to help either. My phones underclocked to 1.1ghz by the way
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fuego77 said:
I have maybe a handful of apps installed on my phone. I clear tasks occasionally. Doesn't seem to help either. My phones underclocked to 1.1ghz by the way
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Does it lag if clocked at 1.5? Have you tried another kernel or ROM?
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fuego77 said:
I have maybe a handful of apps installed on my phone. I clear tasks occasionally. Doesn't seem to help either. My phones underclocked to 1.1ghz by the way
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if you underclocked the amaze with something from the market, its going to slow it down alot, the only underclocking tool that works flawlessly is OC daemon, flash a rom that has it
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if you underclocked the amaze with something from the market, its going to slow it down alot, the only underclocking tool that works flawlessly is OC daemon, flash a rom that has it
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Your right. My phone works perfect now. Its still not as fast as my old G2, but it doesn't "hang" when hitting home or the menu button and keyboard keeps up with my input
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I've owned a bunch of HTC phones but have been having issues with my new HTC Rezound. Whenever I exit certain applications the stock launcher reloads and displays the HTC Splash Screen. Seems to happen most often with Draw Something (but does happen with other apps as well). Anyone else have a similar issue or know of a fix?
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I am actually surprised to say this but I am going to say it (knocks on wood) anyway. I know exactly the issue you are speaking of with sense phones in general. have had it happen tons of times on phones from the Droid Eris, to Incredible 1 & 2, TBolt, and they have all done this. I am into week 2 of my rezound and haven't seen it once. {walks away and launcher redraws}.
Are you running any tweaks or mods like the leedroid tweaks?
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I've owned a bunch of HTC phones but have been having issues with my new HTC Rezound. Whenever I exit certain applications the stock launcher reloads and displays the HTC Splash Screen. Seems to happen most often with Draw Something (but does happen with other apps as well). Anyone else have a similar issue or know of a fix?
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On my Incredible, I used V6 Supercharger to prevent this (and it worked amazingly well!).
I have V6 on my Rezound, and in the 30+ days I've had it, I've had exactly one re-draw of the launcher, and I really think that was my fault. Check it out!
V6 Supercharger
Thanks for the input. Mine is totally bone stock...I just received it yesterday. On my Incredible it would happen once in a great while. On the Rezound it happens almost consistently. And I wouldn't mind if it didn't take the launcher so long to recover.
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Thanks for the input. Mine is totally bone stock...I just received it yesterday. On my Incredible it would happen once in a great while. On the Rezound it happens almost consistently. And I wouldn't mind if it didn't take the launcher so long to recover.
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When sense does that it either has run out of Memory or forced closed
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I figured as much. But that means I'm constantly out of memory which is odd for a bone stock phone. I even turned off back ground processes that might have been sucking up memory. It's bad enough that it makes me want to return the phone.
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I figured as much. But that means I'm constantly out of memory which is odd for a bone stock phone. I even turned off back ground processes that might have been sucking up memory. It's bad enough that it makes me want to return the phone.
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It could be a memory leak in an app. If you notice it happening with a particular app try uninstalling it and see how it runs.
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I've turned off fast boot and cpu timelines which has seemed to help thus far. Worse case I guess I could just restore the phone and reinstall one app at a time. Main culprit definitely seems to be Draw Something though.
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I've turned off fast boot and cpu timelines which has seemed to help thus far. Worse case I guess I could just restore the phone and reinstall one app at a time. Main culprit definitely seems to be Draw Something though.
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Have you checked to see how much memory draw something uses? I know that words with friends is a memory hog.
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Good call. Draw Something uses 72MB which is nearly twice as much as other average apps. In fact I would argue that it's almost unacceptable. I still can't believe the launcher wouldn't have a higher memory priority over other user apps though.
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I noticed this happens when I use Scramble With Friends. It used about 130 MB of memory. Sometimes more so I uninstalled it. Sense uses about the same amount of memory. I think because the phone gets low on memory it shuts down Sense because it is using lots of memory. Seems ridiculous that this happens, but it does.
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Sense 3.5 takes up a ton of memory so when its not used and other programs require more ram sense is unloaded. Once you go back to the home screen it has to be reloaded.
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Draw Something, Facebook, Any of those games and whatnot constantly streaming data, seem to decide to use all your ram for no reason. I like ICS for the reason that now you can close stuff when your done with it
So when ICS rolls out with Sense 3.6 they'll hopefully have this fixed. I bought this phone for Sense and I'm just amazed how fickle it seems this far.
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I noticed this happens when I use Scramble With Friends. It used about 130 MB of memory. Sometimes more so I uninstalled it. Sense uses about the same amount of memory. I think because the phone gets low on memory it shuts down Sense because it is using lots of memory. Seems ridiculous that this happens, but it does.
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That's half the answer the problem is the ram is supposed to dump the apps from the ram in order of least important but for some reason the sense launcher drops to a less important level when not in use (to give back more ram I guess). Like many people have said V6 will fix this problem and is super easy to use so I would give that a try is a great script.
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Ya I'm definitely thinking about trying that out. But it requires root doesn't it? Not sure I'm ready to sacrifice my warranty just yet. I wish I could just reprioritize Sense in system settings.
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Ya I'm definitely thinking about trying that out. But it requires root doesn't it? Not sure I'm ready to sacrifice my warranty just yet. I wish I could just reprioritize Sense in system settings.
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I'm pretty sure they still take back rooted phones
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As long as you restore it back to stock right. Lol.
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Ya I'm definitely thinking about trying that out. But it requires root doesn't it? Not sure I'm ready to sacrifice my warranty just yet. I wish I could just reprioritize Sense in system settings.
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They don't even care about that lol. Replaced my rooted Incredible, no problem!
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Everytine i switch from the stock browser or chrome to a messenging app or another app for like just a minute then when i go back to the internet it reloads the page i was on automatically. Is there any way to stop this??
Tanks
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This would be nice to know :good:
Annoying problem.
Bump
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no. not until we get kernel source from htc. its due to htc putting in stupid memory (ram) management settings so basically as soon as you leave an app it closes it. i hate this also but theres nothing we can due till htc releases some code for us (which btw should have come out long ago but for some reason they feel like pissing us off haha)
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no. not until we get kernel source from htc. its due to htc putting in stupid memory (ram) management settings so basically as soon as you leave an app it closes it. i hate this also but theres nothing we can due till htc releases some code for us (which btw should have come out long ago but for some reason they feel like pissing us off haha)
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I knew someone would come in here blaming Sense's RAM management. The problem is, Chrome still reloaded all its tabs on my rooted OG EVO when I had it running ICS, and still does the same thing on my Xoom. It seems to be the way Google programmed the app, perhaps to save up on both CPU and GPU RAM. It is annoying, but you'll probably have to bring it up on Google Play or on their discussion boards.
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I knew someone would come in here blaming Sense's RAM management. The problem is, Chrome still reloaded all its tabs on my rooted OG EVO when I had it running ICS, and still does the same thing on my Xoom. It seems to be the way Google programmed the app, perhaps to save up on both CPU and GPU RAM. It is annoying, but you'll probably have to bring it up on Google Play or on their discussion boards.
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On my older gs2 it wouldnt do that. Hopefully this is fixed soon.
I dont understand how much battery this feauture will actually save because when u go back to the app it reloads the page kind of defeating the purpose
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I knew someone would come in here blaming Sense's RAM management. The problem is, Chrome still reloaded all its tabs on my rooted OG EVO when I had it running ICS, and still does the same thing on my Xoom. It seems to be the way Google programmed the app, perhaps to save up on both CPU and GPU RAM. It is annoying, but you'll probably have to bring it up on Google Play or on their discussion boards.
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Ok so maybe its coded into chrome. doesn't explain why it happens in the stock browser also or for any of the other apps that get closed as soon as you leave them. I can almost guarantee that tapatalk will reload as soon as I launch something else. It IS a problem with sense so it does deserve blame.
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Oh I'm not saying there is no Sense memory issue. It's a pretty big problem for me with playing heavier games and then having to wait for Sense to reload when I go back to the homescreen. Also coming from using my Xoom it's a bit annoying having simpler apps restart on me just because I switched apps for more than half a minute. I'm just pointing out that Chrome seems to like doing that by itself too.
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Oh I'm not saying there is no Sense memory issue. It's a pretty big problem for me with playing heavier games and then having to wait for Sense to reload when I go back to the homescreen. Also coming from using my Xoom it's a bit annoying having simpler apps restart on me just because I switched apps for more than half a minute. I'm just pointing out that Chrome seems to like doing that by itself too.<br />
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ahhh haha I thought you were implying there wasn't a sense issue for minute haha. Yeah this bugs the hell out of me. Yesterday I was typing a message here on tapatalk I left and took 1 picture. Just 1 and in the 10 seconds I was gone it closed it and I had to type it all out again
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And it'll be the Evo LTE or the SGSIII.
I have handled both and like the Evo more. (rocking a Photon currently)
My one question: is there a RELIABLE AND BUG FREE workaround yet for the botched multi-tasking??
If not, I think that will ruin my experience.
Thanks.
Nope, even with everything I've tried it is still crwp when compared to other phones I've owned, specially stock android 4.1.
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Wow, not good. You have tried the custom ROMs that are available with the supposed tweaks to fix this?
Thanks.
I haven't noticed it at all. I can leave an application and go back into it 10+ minutes later and it's still where I left off.
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I haven't noticed it at all. I can leave an application and go back into it 10+ minutes later and it's still where I left off.
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So what is everyone complaining about?
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Wow, not good. You have tried the custom ROMs that are available with the supposed tweaks to fix this?
Thanks.
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I tried multiple roms and so far it seems there is no fix.
For example I was on the web browser. Backed out with the home key to go to home screen. I then went to settings to change my display settings went back to browser and the whole page had to reload and refresh.
My GS2 and Galaxy Nexus was better then this phone in the performance department.
Not to mention after you start installing apps and setting up your home screens the phone just gets slower and slower and less snappy.
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Wow, not good. You have tried the custom ROMs that are available with the supposed tweaks to fix this?
Thanks.
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Yep. It's bad.
Bad enough that my lte is sitting in a drawer as I use an alpha cm9 build on my evo 3d. Multitasking, background downloads stopping, and overall sluggishness compared to stock drove me away.
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I haven't noticed it at all. I can leave an application and go back into it 10+ minutes later and it's still where I left off.
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Try playing a game. Then get a text, reply and check your email for the hell of it.
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Jelly Bean will be running on the LTEVO any day now, which will mitigate the multi-tasking issue. With that said, I've tried both and the LTEVO was the clear winner for me. The Galaxy is way too plasticy for me.
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Jelly Bean will be running on the LTEVO any day now, which will mitigate the multi-tasking issue.
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And how do we know this?
I'm on my second evo lte as of today first one the radio burn out on me for too much usage and second one came brand new in box with old update so I can root s off all the way but 2morrow I get my galaxy s 3 so moving to that one and selling this one
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The multitasking will get better with AOSP, I think. Actually, is it possible its because of the s4? Could anyone else using a phone with s4 respond to this? Much thanks.
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The multitasking will get better with AOSP, I think. Actually, is it possible its because of the s4? Could anyone else using a phone with s4 respond to this? Much thanks.
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Don't think so
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The multitasking will get better with AOSP, I think. Actually, is it possible its because of the s4? Could anyone else using a phone with s4 respond to this? Much thanks.
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Nope. Just this phone. I returned this phone due to crappy gps, lag and horrible multi tasking. Having to keep my screen on to download something was unacceptable. I'm on a s3 now and xda app was still on the last Page I viewed yesterday evening and I've played a few games and run a few other apps. Gps is best I've ever experienced on a phone. Hard to say that and Samsung in same sentence lol
One thing I miss is reception though
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And how do we know this?
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Go onto IRC and download decks build of cm10.
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Go onto IRC and download decks build of cm10.
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Besides the camera and display HTC failed on this phone.
Is it just me who notices that the evo doesn't really multi task well? When ever I jump back to an app using the recent apps button the app reloads or refreshes. For example I'm playing a game, pause the game, shoot a few texts, check my email, come back to the game and it restarts. Bte I'm not rooted and have just installed the latest update. Thank you much.
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Give cm10 a spin...multi tasking is fantastic.
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Give cm10 a spin...multi tasking is fantastic.
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Oh I see. I like sense over aosp.. Any good choices on that? But I will give cm10 a go when I root my EVO.
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Oh I see. I like sense over aosp.. Any good choices on that? But I will give cm10 a go when I root my EVO.
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Can't speak for sense 4.1, but 4.0 butchered multi tasking. It greatly limits the amount of simultaneous processes running in the background. I could not go back to sense at this point.
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There are already a few threads about this, also from the Q&A sticky at the top of this very forum:
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Q: Multitasking does not work like in previous phones, why?
A: Pretty much the phone kills applications off relatively quickly. Most ROMs have addressed this issue and you should receive better multitasking while running them. If you do not want to run a ROM a fix some people found is to go into settings> developer options scroll to the bottom and select "At most 4 processes" under Background process limit.
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So no, there's no real fix for sense based ROMs. Most of the ROMs help alleviate this issue but none outright fix it. HTC also claims that this is their intended behavior and that there is no issue with multitasking, so don't expect an official fix from them.
AOSP or CM10 is your only current option.
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There are already a few threads about this, also from the Q&A sticky at the top of this very forum:
So no, there's no real fix for sense based ROMs. Most of the ROMs help alleviate this issue but none outright fix it. HTC also claims that this is their intended behavior and that there is no issue with multitasking, so don't expect an official fix from them.
AOSP or CM10 is your only current option.
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Sounds like the developer option/fix will drain battery. Do you guys know if the sg3 multi-task better than the evo? I just picked up the phone and still experimenting on it. If all goes well ill keep the phone. So far I like everything. To me, the cons are battery and multitasking.
Otherwise everything else is great.
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Cons are the battery??? How so...... I easily get 2 days out of the battery and most of the time I'm roaming.
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Cons are the battery??? How so...... I easily get 2 days out of the battery and most of the time I'm roaming.
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The phone will outlive the battery. I've had my og evo for 2.5 years. The oem battery doesn't last more than 4 hours anymore. Thank goodness for the gorilla battery, it made my og evo last longer and feel new again. Otherwise I woulda jumped on the 3d or design. Glad I didn't.
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Sounds like the developer option/fix will drain battery. Do you guys know if the sg3 multi-task better than the evo? I just picked up the phone and still experimenting on it. If all goes well ill keep the phone. So far I like everything. To me, the cons are battery and multitasking.
Otherwise everything else is great.
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Its not really so much the phones ability to multi task as it is the software... as already stated, running cm10 multitasking is phenomenal however running sense 4 multitasking is terrible. Basically, the phone has the ability to multitask however HTC kinda screwed us on that on sense 4
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manaup said:
The phone will outlive the battery. I've had my og evo for 2.5 years. The oem battery doesn't last more than 4 hours anymore. Thank goodness for the gorilla battery, it made my og evo last longer and feel new again. Otherwise I woulda jumped on the 3d or design. Glad I didn't.
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You can easily open up the phone and swap the battery, they made is surprisingly easy to do too, so that's great.
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You can easily open up the phone and swap the battery, they made is surprisingly easy to do too, so that's great.
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Ah, I see. Maybe one of these days someone will come out with an extended battery XD
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Ah, I see. Maybe one of these days someone will come out with an extended battery XD
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No, I highly doubt that.
Theres no room for a bigger battery. You would have to replace like half the phone if you were to make some sort of extended battery cover.
I tend to listen to podcasts and use navigation a lot(I'm a driver) and im noticing more frequently since the update that sense will reload when backing out of Navigation. I also get it when backing out of memory intensive games too. The same games I use to play and the same navigation I've always used in ICS and not have this issue. Back in the day with Sense reloads you would see a "Loading" message and sense would come back. Now it's just a home screen with 0 widgets that eventually reappear.
What gives? I thought I'd be done with sense reloads by the 3rd product cycle. I know the whole manage your apps and use less home screens tips. The thing is I'm set up the same way I've always been set up, shouldn't have to change anything.
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Odd... I haven't had sense reload one time since the update. On ICS I had it happen a few times but it was rare. Runs smoother for me now. Are you stock?
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Odd... I haven't had sense reload one time since the update. On ICS I had it happen a few times but it was rare. Runs smoother for me now. Are you stock?
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im rooted running a stock rom
I have yet to see this issue using mean rom base. What stock base are you using?
Not to get flamed but did you update firmware?
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Not to get flamed but did you update firmware?
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Yeah i'm on updated firmware
and im running Vipers latest stock...Im going to run another rom and see what I get.
I'm on Stock rooted & I'm clear. Could be the ROM.
Sense reloads are painfully annoying.
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Genjinaro said:
I'm on Stock rooted & I'm clear. Could be the ROM.
Sense reloads are painfully annoying.
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tell me about it..the lack of the loading messages makes me believe its something else.But it sure as hell resembled a sense reload..All widgets gone for a few seconds then start coming up..
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tell me about it..the lack of the loading messages makes me believe its something else.But it sure as hell resembled a sense reload..All widgets gone for a few seconds then start coming up..
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I used to get that on my old EPIC. Nothing on the screen and seconds later icons would populate. When I had sense reloads on ICS I always got the loading message. I think you should definitely try a different rom, as it seems no one else is getting it on JB. Goodluck dude, hope it gets better for you.
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I used to have a sense reload just about everytime I hit the home button on ICS. It was unbearable. Now that I have JB it rarely happens, and when it does it loads significantly faster. I'm stock btw. I used to be rooted, but went stock after testing out jellybean and sense 4+
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I've had it happen a few times using maps and street view. I'm on stock with goodies 3.25
I have also had this happen on stock w/ goodies.
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I have also had this happen on stock w/ goodies.
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Seems to only happen when I have navigation running and listening to music or a podcast. I did get it once when backing out of ingress.
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I've also had it happen a few times! VERY annoying! :banghead:
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HTC can't win. People ***** that sense reloads so they implement the most aggressive anti multitasking "bug" to fix it.
Now that they unbroke multitasking sense may reload more.
It works fine for me personally, but I un install, freeze, or refuse to run memory intensive things like face unlock, live wallpapers, and some stock HTC and Sprint junk
HTC can win.. Simply don't F### up and do dumb crap. If they want to continue with sense(which I enjoy) then make sure the device has proper resources.
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