So, we've all seen Big Red's LTE capabilities and it's extremely impressive. Anybody care to speculate on what Sprint's LTE will be like, considering the much higher frequency it will initially be running on? Think about penetration (no homo), range, speed, and the never-ending rumor of potential bandwidth caps/throttling.
Speed, no clue. Penetration obviously won't be anywhere near as good until they get it on the iden frequency. 1900 seems only a pinch less sucky than Clear's current frequency to me.
If I understand right the iden frequency is 800mhz? I thought sprint was only going to use this for voice calls?
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Speed, no clue. Penetration obviously won't be anywhere near as good until they get it on the iden frequency. 1900 seems only a pinch less sucky than Clear's current frequency to me.
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The penetration will be the same as 3g as the 1900 is what it uses in most places not as good as 800 but alot better than 2500
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Sprint had commitments for iden till 2012, this year, they can shut off the nextel iden network and roll out LTE on the 800mhz frequency this year and likely will do so with that new hybrid box they have been working on. This won't go in all at once, they will roll it out in stages by city and will likely take two years to get it mostly out and another 5+ to hit 95% of market coverage converted.
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Sprint had commitments for iden till 2012, this year, they can shut off the nextel iden network and roll out LTE on the 800mhz frequency this year and likely will do so with that new hybrid box they have been working on. This won't go in all at once, they will roll it out in stages by city and will likely take two years to get it mostly out and another 5+ to hit 95% of market coverage converted.
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I thought that sprint is going to use the 800 mhz band for voice only?
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/32-network-vision-explained/
I believe 1.9 will be used for LTE, CDMA Voice / Data
800 will be used for CDMA Voice / Data and in the future possibly LTE.
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http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/32-network-vision-explained/
I believe 1.9 will be used for LTE, CDMA Voice / Data
800 will be used for CDMA Voice / Data and in the future possibly LTE.
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Nice!
Beat me to posting that site...S4GRU.com is by far the most indepth and best resource for all things Sprint network related right now.
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I thought that sprint is going to use the 800 mhz band for voice only?
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From what I was told, Sprint is building boxes that can push LTE and CDMA on 800 and 1900. How Sprint actually allocates the bandwidth I have no clue but it looks like they are leaving it open for any combination of the two, my guess would be that it depends on load.
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From what I was told, Sprint is building boxes that can push LTE and CDMA on 800 and 1900. How Sprint actually allocates the bandwidth I have no clue but it looks like they are leaving it open for any combination of the two, my guess would be that it depends on load.
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From what I was told its going to be dependent on the tower location what freq will be used ... In Areas where towers are closer like major metro areas they will use 1900 in more rural areas the will use 800 because the signal will travel further and you can cover more with less towers...but the hardware is going to have all the same in every tower....as redundant backup also....
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The penetration will be the same as 3g as the 1900 is what it uses in most places not as good as 800 but alot better than 2500
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Signal wise it should be roughly the same but from what some of the LTE testing has shown is that the performance degrades much more with LTE than it does with EVDO over the signal.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/5...coming-800-band/page__view__findpost__p__7857
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From what I was told its going to be dependent on the tower location what freq will be used ... In Areas where towers are closer like major metro areas they will use 1900 in more rural areas the will use 800 because the signal will travel further and you can cover more with less towers...but the hardware is going to have all the same in every tower....as redundant backup also....
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Actually, when it comes to metro areas, places like a big city with a large down town district, 800mzh overlay with the 1.9 is the ultimate solution.
800 will penetrate deeper into the buildings and overall give a better in building coverage. So densly populated areas would be a great candidate for both 800mhz and 1.9mhz.
Also there is only so much spectrum that each carrier owns in a given location. So if loading is an issue, they can offload some of the usage to the 800mhz spectrum if or when necessary.
Whatever happened with the rumored upgrade to EVDO Rev B?
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Whatever happened with the rumored upgrade to EVDO Rev B?
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was never anything but a rumor at the least. mainly b/c of the fact that the phones supported it.
Sprint will be doing do-advanced though more likely as they have at least talked about that.
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Actually, when it comes to metro areas, places like a big city with a large down town district, 800mzh overlay with the 1.9 is the ultimate solution.
800 will penetrate deeper into the buildings and overall give a better in building coverage. So densly populated areas would be a great candidate for both 800mhz and 1.9mhz.
Also there is only so much spectrum that each carrier owns in a given location. So if loading is an issue, they can offload some of the usage to the 800mhz spectrum if or when necessary.
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Sprint has very little Spectrum in 800MHz compared to the others.....If I were to guess any off loading will be to Clears 2.5GHz which is supposed to have over 5k sites up by next June if i remember correctly...
MOST off loading will be from 3G to 4G more than anything though....hence the smith mirco deal they signed...
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Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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Well...umm...
1. Wimax requires a different radio. LTE is built into the CPU, so you'd have to have a separate chip for wimax.
2. Wimax sucks. Its only claim to fame is that it was the first 4G available. Building penetration is crap.
3. Having both in the phone would cause power drains like you wouldn't believe.
4. Sprint is shutting down Wimax to focus on LTE. I imagine the expense of keeping both running is pretty high.
Just sit back and be patient. LTE will be there soon enough. Or stick with your current wimax phone and wait until you have LTE to upgrade. If your main reason for the upgrade is LTE then you should reconsider your options.
Remember HD DVDs? and BluRay? Which one is still around?
Also, Plasma, DLP, LCD, LED technologies in TVs. Its a 'technology war' thing.
WiMax and LTE were two technologies like this. LTE won as BluRay did and to keep up, Sprint has to rebuild their network. Also, the reasons stated above in smw6180's post.
I actually could care less about which one I have as I'm on wifi most of the time. This was truly "Just a question". But isn't HSPA+ a dead technology but its still being included into GSM devices even the ones with LTE. Im just wondering why it is and Wimax isnt. And where I'm at Wimax is awesome I get anywhere from 4-8mbs when im on it.
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HSPA+ isn't dead at all. The rest of the world uses it. Try a T-Mobile or At&t phone on HSPA+ 42.
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I most certainly would love to. I hope the International GS3 has HSPA+ and I can get it unlocked and use it on T-mobile. I miss GSM but dont really care much for ATT and I read somewhere T-Mobile is revamping there prepaid data plans, so hopefully I will get to try it out.
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HSPA+ isn't dead at all. The rest of the world uses it. Try a T-Mobile or At&t phone on HSPA+ 42.
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Well...umm...
1. Wimax requires a different radio. LTE is built into the CPU, so you'd have to have a separate chip for wimax.
2. Wimax sucks. Its only claim to fame is that it was the first 4G available. Building penetration is crap.
3. Having both in the phone would cause power drains like you wouldn't believe.
4. Sprint is shutting down Wimax to focus on LTE. I imagine the expense of keeping both running is pretty high.
Just sit back and be patient. LTE will be there soon enough. Or stick with your current wimax phone and wait until you have LTE to upgrade. If your main reason for the upgrade is LTE then you should reconsider your options.
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Totally agree, and number "2" is definitely a must for me I have tested it here and wimax well you said it, and more now is adding both radio and battery on-board will give a A+ with power as well
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Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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GSM carriers include 3g, HSPA+, and LTE because HSPA+ is an extension to 3G, using the same radio. Therefore there are still only two radios in the device: WCDMA (which is 3G with HSPA+) and LTE. Sprint's doing the same thing - their equivalent is having 1xAdvanced, EVDO rev B, and LTE.
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GSM carriers include 3g, HSPA+, and LTE because HSPA+ is an extension to 3G, using the same radio. Therefore there are still only two radios in the device: WCDMA (which is 3G with HSPA+) and LTE. Sprint's doing the same thing - their equivalent is having 1xAdvanced, EVDO rev B, and LTE.
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Great answer my friend. I completely understand now. I didn't know what 1x advanced and EVDO rev B were before. Now are any of those capable of the speeds HSPA+ is though?
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Great answer my friend. I completely understand now. I didn't know what 1x advanced and EVDO rev B were before. Now are any of those capable of the speeds HSPA+ is though?
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No, HSPA is in its own class of speed, CDMA doesn't have anything close to it. And it's not like sprint's network could handle much anyway, since there's plenty of dirtbags abusing the Unlimited service.
Simple question: why is Sprint starting to roll out one spectrum of LTE now, and then changing it to a different one later (2013 and on)? Why not start off with the superior one that penetrates walls better to begin with? Any advantages to the frequency currently being built up?
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They're starting on 1900 then adding 800 not replacing 1900. Both will be used LTE in 2013. Also they can't use 800 till Iden is off it. IDEN on 800 won't be dead till 2013. Sprint is decommissioning iden towers now in preparation for the shutdown. They are trying to migrate people over to sprint direct connect which uses the cdma network for direct connect.
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This site is the best for sprint LTE info...
http://s4gru.com/
okay, this will be fun to try and explain. first of all, my source is this:
http://www.hightechforum.org/low-versus-high-radio-spectrum/ and logic
Data is sent through wavelengths across different frequencies. Basically, the higher the frequency the higher the capacity and the lower the frequency the higher the coverage.
Sprint's WiMax runs on 2500 MHz, which explains the crappy coverage. Verizon has great LTE coverage because it runs on 700 MHz. The reason Sprint went with the higher frequency was probably to meet the demands of an "unlimited data" community because it would have a much much greater capacity than the 700 MHz spectrum Verizons running. This is also why cell providers with much better coverage (ones near 1000 MHz) have to throttle so hard and limit the amount of data usage: because they have much lower capacities (bandwidth) to share with their consumers in those frequencies.
Of course, cell companies dont only use one band of the spectrum. They send it across one low and one high to accomodate both capacity and coverage (i believe Verizon uses 700 and 1400 MHz). What david279 said is correct, Sprint will use both 800 and 1900 MHz eventually, so its gonna have a great LTE network.
So to answer the original question, Sprint was probably confident to launch the 1900 MHz frequency by itself because it is a good medium. 700 and 2500 MHz are at the ends of the spectrum. The best speed results would be more towards the middle. Instead of having great coverage and LTE speeds as low as 1gb/s with the 800 MHz frequency, or poor coverage with WiMax speeds of ~3gb/s (about what i've gotten) with the 2500 MHz frequency, Sprint's settling with good coverage with LTE speeds of Xgb/s (higher than 3, for sure) with the 1900 MHz frequency with coverage later to be improved once the 800 MHz frequency is included
So be ready in 2014 to buy the EVO 4G LTE+, since our phones can't pick up the 800.
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So be ready in 2014 to buy the EVO 4G LTE+, since our phones can't pick up the 800.
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Could that be fixed by a software update, or is it strictly hardware related?
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Could that be fixed by a software update, or is it strictly hardware related?
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Strictly hardware. It's also one of the reasons lte roaming isn't in the cards.
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Wow, very informative!
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Verizon only uses 700mhz for their LTE Network, Not 1400mhz. I believe 1400mhz is a government used band. Also, Sprint cant use 800mhz until the 3GPP and FCC clear that band for LTE use. On top of that Clearwire will be doing TD-LTE on 2500, which will have international roaming compadibility in europe, and yes Sprint did sign a deal with clearwire so they can use that band as well for their customers.
TD-LTE is LTE used on a spectrum that does not have a upload frenquency only download.
FDD-LTE is normal LTE used with a frenquency that has both download and upload.
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Verizon only uses 700mhz for their LTE Network, Not 1400mhz. I believe 1400mhz is a government used band. Also, Sprint cant use 800mhz until the 3GPP and FCC clear that band for LTE use. On top of that Clearwire will be doing TD-LTE on 2500, which will have international roaming compadibility in europe, and yes Sprint did sign a deal with clearwire so they can use that band as well for their customers.
TD-LTE is LTE used on a spectrum that does not have a upload frenquency only download.
FDD-LTE is normal LTE used with a frenquency that has both download and upload.
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1400 MHz is allocated for WMTS (Wireless Medical Telemetry) as primary user, secondary is non-medical telemetry. 1400 MHz was military until 1999 when it was "sold off" to the highest bidder.
Radio has got to be one of the greatest discoveries of man. Up there with antibiotics, ya?
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typhoonikan said:
Radio has got to be one of the greatest discoveries of man. Up there with antibiotics, ya?
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And one of the greatest addictions as well. I own a fairly large (though shrinking) collection of all things radio.
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No LTE roaming?
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Strictly hardware. It's also one of the reasons lte roaming isn't in the cards.
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No LTE roaming? Does that mean the EVO 4G LTE can't make or receive roaming calls, or just that it won't use the LTE network for them?
While I'm asking newbie questions, I gather the switch to LTE doesn't make Sprint phones (except the iPhone & one Motorola phone) usable in foreign countries, even countries with LTE networks. Is there any way to make it work overseas (without major surgery)?.
I'm probably going to get this phone when I upgrade, but it would be nice to be able to use it when I travel. International functionality is the only reason I'm still slightly tempted by the iPhone. Well, that and the boffo camera software on the iPhone.
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Radio has got to be one of the greatest discoveries of man. Up there with antibiotics, ya?
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Well except for the radiation lol
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No LTE roaming? Does that mean the EVO 4G LTE can't make or receive roaming calls, or just that it won't use the LTE network for them?
While I'm asking newbie questions, I gather the switch to LTE doesn't make Sprint phones (except the iPhone & one Motorola phone) usable in foreign countries, even countries with LTE networks. Is there any way to make it work overseas (without major surgery)?.
I'm probably going to get this phone when I upgrade, but it would be nice to be able to use it when I travel. International functionality is the only reason I'm still slightly tempted by the iPhone. Well, that and the boffo camera software on the iPhone.
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only the lte is limited to the sprint network. you can still use the phone in countries that use the same cdma network as sprint. plug in the country you'll be going to in that link - if it says cdma, you're probably ok. But if international roaming is important to you, this probaly isn't the phone to get (depending on where you go, anyway).
CDMA HSDPA and LTE
How can ATT use LTE Band V2,17,4 Etc. which is 700, 1700, 1900 if other carriers are using those bands. I don't see anybody updating the Wikipedia from day to day with who has what. I see that the Chinese manufacturers are not producing phones for the US carriers except for a few high end phones like the Oneplus One. Is something going on that only Samsung seems to care about, producing a phone with 6 Bands or are the manufactures just waiting for the dust to settle? Don't you agree that a user who buys their phone wants to be able to switch carriers if they move, allowing for more freedom, or what ever reason, should have a phone that handles multiple frequencies. Most of the newer models coming out of china are set for TD SCDMA in their county only and have eliminated WCDMA altogether in those phones. Shopping around is much more difficult because allot of these vendors say little about signal compatibility on the web sites selling these phones.
How do you enable hspa+ on an atrix 4g? I can never seem to get the "H+" or "4g" icon, only H (i've checked inside the phone settings and it is definitely just hspa, not hspa+, or hspa: category 10 or otherwise)
I bought my atrix 4g off craigslist and used it on ATT straight talk for a month and had horrible speeds and never had hspa+ (only hspa) so I had the phone carrier unlocked and took it to tmobile monthly 4g but still I am only getting hspa (not hspa+).
Basically, is this phone capable of getting "pseduo-4g" hspa+ or is it locked to hspa? I've seen several mentions of ATT shipping the phone with hspa+ disabled, but no way of knowing how to enable it.
Other info: I am currently using neutrino ROM.
Thanks!
You will only get edge on t mobile with any att phone.............
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Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
tgeo said:
Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
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I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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Except that Tmobile is refarming their 1900mhz pcs from 2g to 3g... so yeah you can. Las Vegas and Kansas City are already official... so what?
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Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, the Atrix 4G does 14.4mbps hspa, isn't the 21mbps the actual hspa+?
I know it may not be possible but, Hes talking about an ATRIX 4g. Not ATRIX 2. READ MUCH???
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The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
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The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
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I didn't know tmob where deploying a hspa frequency that at&T use. Thanks for that tip.
10Mbps achieved on Atrix on at&T 3g network here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1905464
hspa category 10 is 'characterized' as hspa+ but is not hspa+ (evolved hspa) and should not display h+ or 4g on the status bar for that reason. The 4g branding is exactly that... "branding" and at&T should have never used 4g in the name in my opinion. They always said "4g like speeds"
See post #4 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1912716 where there are also a couple links I posted that I found interesting on this subject.
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Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
tgeo said:
Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
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Only ics and jb display the additional radio info.
The key is that you are on a radio that is suited to your rom and provider. 36p and 37p are the two most popular at&t radios, 37p being the official production release and used on many releases. Both 36p and 37p operate at hspa 10. Each provider is at differing phases, as well as having differing standards in their network, for how they implement the any bells and whistles of cellular. There is so much to it.
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Terrible speeds with H+ Icon. Hspa marked as H+.
I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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Might get the app on Google Play called Antennas, it'll show you the cell sites/towers you're connected to on maps; if you're connected at a given mode (like HSPA or UMTS) but you're pretty far from the site/tower, that could be the primary reason you get the "terrible" speeds. Antennas does work best, however, by putting the phone in 2G/EDGE mode but it is capable of doing 3G/4G/HSPA/UMTS/etc as well.
I live literally across the street from the main site/tower that I stay connected to so I pull 5-8Mbps when I'm in HSPA+ mode but, I keep my Photon in 2G/EDGE mode probably 99% of the time, I have Wi-Fi at home also so there's just no reason to use up any of my 5GB of bandwidth for the "4G" side of things.
T-Mobile 1900 mhz service on Atrix 4G in MD!!
So having played with a couple of 4Gś @ work (and how unawesome they made my G2x look!) I purchased a combo phone and lapdock. This before i realized they worked on different frequencies!!! DOH!
Fortunately, T-Mobś been ahead of me on the curve. I read that they started the long road to providing their service to the souls stranded out in Verizon &/or AT&T limbo...
So I swapped my sim and...Yaaaay! 4 of 5 bars of....wait for it... H+!!!:laugh:
Then, BOOOOO! No data! No MMS. No internet!:crying:
A few hours of online (and Iḿ ashamed to say, trial and error build prop editing) plus 3 calls to T-Mob yielded this in an email:
¨APN settings for data and picture messaging (MMS): Android" on T-mobileś support page (as a noob I cannot post the link):silly:
Iḿ now docked, working, spotifying and sharing ´ẃif my XDA fam!¨
Hope this helps!
Is there an app or command to log the different frequency bands available in an area? I'm thinking of getting a Galaxy Note 2, but the Note 2 doesn't support the 1700MHz frequency band, and I'm on T-mobile. Any way to figure out if the new phone will get reception, other than just plonking down ~$650 and hoping for the best?
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Is there an app or command to log the different frequency bands available in an area? I'm thinking of getting a Galaxy Note 2, but the Note 2 doesn't support the 1700MHz frequency band, and I'm on T-mobile. Any way to figure out if the new phone will get reception, other than just plonking down ~$650 and hoping for the best?
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You will have EDGE coverage anywhere, but I wouldn't buy an expensive new phone that doesn't support 3G for your carrier.
Why aren't you buying via T-Mobile, that does support their speeds?
https://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phone...ll-phone=Samsung-Galaxy-Note-II-Titanium-Gray
stevedebi said:
You will have EDGE coverage anywhere, but I wouldn't buy an expensive new phone that doesn't support 3G for your carrier.
Why aren't you buying via T-Mobile, that does support their speeds?
https://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phone...ll-phone=Samsung-Galaxy-Note-II-Titanium-Gray
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First, because the phone is at least $70 more expensive on T-mobile's store.
Second, even that version of the phone does not do HSPA+ over 1700 MHz (it's actually the same N7100 you see everywhere). The trick is, T-mobile is supposedly switching all of their 1700-band HSPA+ towers to 1900 band, partly in preparation for their LTE rollout and partly because that's the only way they'll be able to get the iPhone to work with their network, but they haven't gotten it done everywhere and I'm concerned that I'll plop down ~$600 on a phone that only gets 2G speeds at work.
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First, because the phone is at least $70 more expensive on T-mobile's store.
Second, even that version of the phone does not do HSPA+ over 1700 MHz (it's actually the same N7100 you see everywhere). The trick is, T-mobile is supposedly switching all of their 1700-band HSPA+ towers to 1900 band, partly in preparation for their LTE rollout and partly because that's the only way they'll be able to get the iPhone to work with their network, but they haven't gotten it done everywhere and I'm concerned that I'll plop down ~$600 on a phone that only gets 2G speeds at work.
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You had me worried so I looked it up. According to the news sources I found, T-Mobile is converting it's 1900 2g towers to support HSPA+. So for the present the current 3G network is not in danger. I suppose my Amaze will continue working for a while!
Where did you see a report that they are changing out the 1700 band HSPA+ towers?
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"In May, T-Mobile's chief technology officer Neville Ray said the company would be repurposing its existing 1900MHz 2G service with 4G HSPA+, in order to "provide customers with the ability to use a broader range of devices, including the iPhone, on T-Mobile's 4G network.""
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...nvert_its_4g_network_to_support_apples_iphone
stevedebi said:
You had me worried so I looked it up. According to the news sources I found, T-Mobile is converting it's 1900 2g towers to support HSPA+. So for the present the current 3G network is not in danger. I suppose my Amaze will continue working for a while!
Where did you see a report that they are changing out the 1700 band HSPA+ towers?
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"In May, T-Mobile's chief technology officer Neville Ray said the company would be repurposing its existing 1900MHz 2G service with 4G HSPA+, in order to "provide customers with the ability to use a broader range of devices, including the iPhone, on T-Mobile's 4G network.""
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...nvert_its_4g_network_to_support_apples_iphone
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Almost every tech news site that discusses the 1900 band refarming mentions that the reason is to re-deploy 1700 for LTE (that, and to get the iPhone running on T-mobile because Apple outright refuses to make the iPhone pentaband for some reason). It's a fairly easy Google away.
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Almost every tech news site that discusses the 1900 band refarming mentions that the reason is to re-deploy 1700 for LTE (that, and to get the iPhone running on T-mobile because Apple outright refuses to make the iPhone pentaband for some reason). It's a fairly easy Google away.
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The link I provided quoted a t-mobile representative. And I got it from a Google search...
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I saw a blog via Blinkfeed today saying the Galaxy S4 would support Verizon's new AWS data band.
Will our DNA be able to use it?
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That's a big no
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is the LTE radio in the DNA restricted to just the 750 MHz frequency? Because the DNA antenna can hear 1900mhz and 2100 MHz, which is the AWS frequencies.
verizon stated the S4 is the first device to support the new spectrum so no previous phone will get it and even the S4 will need a software update first
I hope the frequency change will improve the signal's ability to penetrate into buildings where I work. My service is magnificent, except for at work. There, it is positively dreadful.
Sadly, looks like it's a moot point anyway, til I upgrade to my next device.
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Right now Verizon runs on 750 mhz which which is very good at penetrating buildings. The new freq they are moving to is 1.9 ghz and 2.1 ghz which will not penetrate objects as well or travel as far through open space. The higher the frequency the bigger impact objects, trees, and distance have on your connection. But higher frequency also allows for more throughput so look for better LTE speeds
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Aww shux
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Should have bought the gs4 aye?
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I'm wondering what Big Red and HTC will have in store for us in about 6 months.
Til then (thanks to this development community), I am quite happy with this phone.
I hope that Newt, Z, Nit, Vin, Micro, Joel, and all the other great devs here stick around for a while.
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Personally I think Verizon is crazy to be giving up 750 MHz spectrum to go with 1.9 ghz and 2.1 ghz spectrum. I think they're doing it because you can place more towers in closer proximity using higher frequencies than you can using 750 MHz. The signal traveling further in 750 MHz also causes you to interfere with yourself, so by going to higher frequencies they can place more towers, which enables them to distribute the bandwidth across multiple towers.
So look for higher speed capabilities, and also more consistent speeds. It should improve the reliability if they are in fact going to put up more towers. Just don't expect to get much better performance than ATT or TMobile inside, since these are similar frequencies to what they run on.
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Personally I think Verizon is crazy to be giving up 750 MHz spectrum to go with 1.9 ghz and 2.1 ghz spectrum. I think they're doing it because you can place more towers in closer proximity using higher frequencies than you can using 750 MHz. The signal traveling further in 750 MHz also causes you to interfere with yourself, so by going to higher frequencies they can place more towers, which enables them to distribute the bandwidth across multiple towers.
So look for higher speed capabilities, and also more consistent speeds. It should improve the reliability if they are in fact going to put up more towers. Just don't expect to get much better performance than ATT or TMobile inside, since these are similar frequencies to what they run on.
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They're not "giving up" anything. The AWS bands will be an overlay in congested areas.
They're giving up frequencies in the 700 MHz band that they acquired in 2008 in an auction. I'm not saying they are doing away with 700 MHz altogether, but they are giving up channels in the 700 MHz band. Hopefully the hand off between their "AWS" and LTE network (aws just being the license name of the frequencies) will be more seamless than the hand off from 3g to LTE. Otherwise we will have 3g, LTE, and "AWS" that our phones will search for and need to jump between. Every time you enter a building you'll drop AWS, try to get LTE, may or may not get LTE, then drop to 3g...
Anyone that used Sprint WiMAX can tell you how bad higher frequencies penetrate buildings.
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Anyone that used Sprint WiMAX can tell you how bad higher frequencies penetrate buildings.
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They sucked.... Hard
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BBEgo said:
I hope the frequency change will improve the signal's ability to penetrate into buildings where I work. My service is magnificent, except for at work. There, it is positively dreadful.
Sadly, looks like it's a moot point anyway, til I upgrade to my next device.
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They're not "giving up" anything. The AWS bands will be an overlay in congested areas.
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GOD I hope they don't drop the 700 series down the road. I went with them strictly for the building penetration (I work in a hospital). T-mobile would give me zero signal indoors.
I can't see them giving it up completely until at least 2 years after they stop making phones those radios.
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They're giving up frequencies in the 700 MHz band that they acquired in 2008 in an auction. I'm not saying they are doing away with 700 MHz altogether, but they are giving up channels in the 700 MHz band. Hopefully the hand off between their "AWS" and LTE network (aws just being the license name of the frequencies) will be more seamless than the hand off from 3g to LTE. Otherwise we will have 3g, LTE, and "AWS" that our phones will search for and need to jump between. Every time you enter a building you'll drop AWS, try to get LTE, may or may not get LTE, then drop to 3g...
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They're giving up lower A and B block licenses that they never did anything with anyway, due to the antenna design issues. Their existing 700mhz footprint will be entirely unaffected.
I have to assume that cross-band LTE handoff is much more robust than failover to 3g. It has to be, if they're expecting to use this network as the basis of VoLTE.
Its all in how its handed off. If you think about it as going between 2.4 ghz and 5.8 ghz on a router using the same technology just different frequency the handoff isn't smooth at all. Time will tell.
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So jodell..your saying that the DNA does have the proper radio?what can of speed can we expect?
I'm glad I have hung to my unlimited
I'm not saying we have the right radio, I'm just saying we have the right antenna. Our antenna is tuned for the right frequency, but whether or not our radio can demodulate LTE at those frequencies is a whole different story. I don't know enough about cellular wireless technology to tell you for sure.
Also, I believe other carriers are already running close to 2ghz LTE networks, so I would expect to see speeds similar to theirs. I think ATT, TMobile, and Sprint are all licensed for LTE at around 1.7 ghz - 2.1 ghz
Personally I wouldn't buy the first phone capable of running between the two different bands until it's proven itself. And I hope our phone isn't capable of running in the new bands.
Anyone know if our phone is capable of doing this? Verizon just rolled it out in Seattle (where I'm at) and my friend on his Note 3 had to go into his "Service Mode" and enable it manually but is getting 78megs down and 26 megs up (first test in a congested area). Here's a link to the article he had to read in order to enable it: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ve...enable-band-4-aws-sm-n900v-requires-root.html
After doing some searching it looks like we're SOL. Can anyone confirm? It's been a while since the last post in this thread so I am assuming things may have changed since this last post.
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Anyone know if our phone is capable of doing this? Verizon just rolled it out in Seattle (where I'm at) and my friend on his Note 3 had to go into his "Service Mode" and enable it manually but is getting 78megs down and 26 megs up (first test in a congested area). Here's a link to the article he had to read in order to enable it: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ve...enable-band-4-aws-sm-n900v-requires-root.html
After doing some searching it looks like we're SOL. Can anyone confirm? It's been a while since the last post in this thread so I am assuming things may have changed since this last post.
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http://androidcommunity.com/verizon...206/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews