Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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Well...umm...
1. Wimax requires a different radio. LTE is built into the CPU, so you'd have to have a separate chip for wimax.
2. Wimax sucks. Its only claim to fame is that it was the first 4G available. Building penetration is crap.
3. Having both in the phone would cause power drains like you wouldn't believe.
4. Sprint is shutting down Wimax to focus on LTE. I imagine the expense of keeping both running is pretty high.
Just sit back and be patient. LTE will be there soon enough. Or stick with your current wimax phone and wait until you have LTE to upgrade. If your main reason for the upgrade is LTE then you should reconsider your options.
Remember HD DVDs? and BluRay? Which one is still around?
Also, Plasma, DLP, LCD, LED technologies in TVs. Its a 'technology war' thing.
WiMax and LTE were two technologies like this. LTE won as BluRay did and to keep up, Sprint has to rebuild their network. Also, the reasons stated above in smw6180's post.
I actually could care less about which one I have as I'm on wifi most of the time. This was truly "Just a question". But isn't HSPA+ a dead technology but its still being included into GSM devices even the ones with LTE. Im just wondering why it is and Wimax isnt. And where I'm at Wimax is awesome I get anywhere from 4-8mbs when im on it.
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HSPA+ isn't dead at all. The rest of the world uses it. Try a T-Mobile or At&t phone on HSPA+ 42.
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I most certainly would love to. I hope the International GS3 has HSPA+ and I can get it unlocked and use it on T-mobile. I miss GSM but dont really care much for ATT and I read somewhere T-Mobile is revamping there prepaid data plans, so hopefully I will get to try it out.
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HSPA+ isn't dead at all. The rest of the world uses it. Try a T-Mobile or At&t phone on HSPA+ 42.
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Well...umm...
1. Wimax requires a different radio. LTE is built into the CPU, so you'd have to have a separate chip for wimax.
2. Wimax sucks. Its only claim to fame is that it was the first 4G available. Building penetration is crap.
3. Having both in the phone would cause power drains like you wouldn't believe.
4. Sprint is shutting down Wimax to focus on LTE. I imagine the expense of keeping both running is pretty high.
Just sit back and be patient. LTE will be there soon enough. Or stick with your current wimax phone and wait until you have LTE to upgrade. If your main reason for the upgrade is LTE then you should reconsider your options.
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Totally agree, and number "2" is definitely a must for me I have tested it here and wimax well you said it, and more now is adding both radio and battery on-board will give a A+ with power as well
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Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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GSM carriers include 3g, HSPA+, and LTE because HSPA+ is an extension to 3G, using the same radio. Therefore there are still only two radios in the device: WCDMA (which is 3G with HSPA+) and LTE. Sprint's doing the same thing - their equivalent is having 1xAdvanced, EVDO rev B, and LTE.
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GSM carriers include 3g, HSPA+, and LTE because HSPA+ is an extension to 3G, using the same radio. Therefore there are still only two radios in the device: WCDMA (which is 3G with HSPA+) and LTE. Sprint's doing the same thing - their equivalent is having 1xAdvanced, EVDO rev B, and LTE.
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Great answer my friend. I completely understand now. I didn't know what 1x advanced and EVDO rev B were before. Now are any of those capable of the speeds HSPA+ is though?
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Great answer my friend. I completely understand now. I didn't know what 1x advanced and EVDO rev B were before. Now are any of those capable of the speeds HSPA+ is though?
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No, HSPA is in its own class of speed, CDMA doesn't have anything close to it. And it's not like sprint's network could handle much anyway, since there's plenty of dirtbags abusing the Unlimited service.
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I have upgraded my vibrant plan to 4g and I was wondering if anyone can make a zip for the 4g signal that will match the frobuntu donate theme I asked the developer for frobuntu if he could he hasn't yet so post it on that page if possible I hope he doesn't mind
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It has been posted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...48#post9576448
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Sorry Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=846285&page=4
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http://www.multiupload.com/1TXL90R4T2
Vibrant 4g plan?
4g plan?
Vibrant + sXe V3.1 + OCLF
The Web plans were renamed they are still the same at T-Mobile you will only recieve full 4g speeds in 4g areas and on 4g phones.
How do you get a 4g plan on a 3g phone? I did notice in the Flashable Stock JK6 rom sombionix posted has both 3g and 4g icons. I thought you had to have a 4g phone to get 4g service.
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How do you get a 4g plan on a 3g phone? I did notice in the Flashable Stock JK6 rom sombionix posted has both 3g and 4g icons. I thought you had to have a 4g phone to get 4g service.
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I'm thinking the samething. 4g would be based on hardware radio and 4g connection.
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You could change the icon to say 10g and you would still never get 4g speeds. Vibrant doesn't support that speed.
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Technicly Speaking Vibrant does support so Called "4G" speed, since its not 4g on Tmobile, 4G its either Wimax (sprint has it) or LTE , T-Mobile has only HSPA+ , so whats HSPA+ its the Same HSDPA network which is Considered to be 3.5G, and since its HSDPA I got speed on Vibrant in Alabama 4.7MBit Per second on speed test, 3G Doesnt support that speed because 3G is UMTS its max 3.6MBit per second, New HTC G2 and HTC Evo 4g or whatever tmobile has at the moment calling "4G" phone doesnt Support LTE or WiMax, it supports HSDPA with 14.4MBit per second speeds, Vibrant works on same Frequency and same HSDPA with 7.2Mbit per second which is Twice less. So Basicly if lets say you live in city where VIbrant can get 3MBit per second , you 4G phone will get 3Mbit as well, but if you live in city where you can get 7Mbits per second on your G2 or 4G phone you will get same speed on Vibrant too. Just icon will not be changed. The trick Tmobile using to let you think you are on 4G instead of 3.5G is by Setting HSDPA network icon as H or 4G instead of regular icon 3G , when phone goes to UMTS it shows 3G, when it goes to GSM it gets to E and so on . So its just Icon nothing more, stop worrying about Icons , what really matters that Tmobile doesnt offer speeds of more than 5Mbit anywhere yet. Maybe maximum 6Mbits if you live close enough to HSDPA Tower. (like 10 feet away). And this speed Vibrant will hold on ease. So Main Point and Bottom Line is ANY Phone that supports HSDPA Network with up to 7.2Mbit per second will be receiving Maximum Tmobile Speed which is avarage 3-5Mbit per second depends on your location and dont mind if it says 3G and not 4G speed on your phone will be Exacly the same since its Same Network HSDPA. Hope it clears everything since its Just Marketing Trick nothing else.
Oh forgot to mention if you have 2 phones in your hand both Vibrant (or any other 3.5g phone) and 4G phone from tmobile , both on same tmobile, sometimes difference can be in speed because it also depends on Antena strenght on your phone, some phones have better antena thats why they get more singnal but difference is not big at all. And if you ll stand next to HSPA+ (HSDPA) Tower with both Phones in your hands , Speed will be IDENTICAL. But on NEW phone it will show 4G even if its on same 3.5G (HSDPA or so Called HSPA+ how tmobile likes to call it) So 4G phone is basicly has overclocked Icon and Vibrant downclocked icon which Displays 3G , I think both phones would be correct if they will show H or 3.5G icon. But if they both will show H or 3.5G who will buy 4g phone ? and why the hell Tmobile then shows comercial of 4g ? Tmobile doesnt want you to know the truth, they want you to believe that by Buying 4G phone (which costs more) you will get better speed which is a big fat lie. Otherwise you will not fall for it and stick with your 7.2MBit/s HSDPA phone and it doesnt matter if its Vibrant or G1 or anyother phone. If you want to check which phones support 7.2MBit on HSDPA or 14.4 and see phones that have Wimax or upcoming LTE check gsmarena.com
these are all 3.5G Phone available for all carriers at the moment notice MyTouch 4G on tmobile in the list ) http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sName=&idMaker=0&chkHSDPA2100=selected&idAvailability=0&YearAnnounced=0&nPriceLow=0&nPriceHigh=0&idCurrency=0&idFormFactor=0&idDualSIM=0&idQwerty=0&HeightMax=0&WidthMax=0&ThicknessMax=0&WeightMax=0&idOS=11&idDisplay=0&idDisplayRes=0&fDisplaySize=0&idDisplayTech=0&idTouchscreen=0&idAccelerometer=0&id35mm=0&idCamera=0&idCameraFlash=0&idVideoRecorder=0&idSecondaryCamera=0&idExpansionCard=0&idGPS=0&bWLAN=0&bEDGE=0&bGPRS=0&idBluetooth=0&bIR=0&bEmail=0&bWAP=0&bJava=0&idRadio=0&bMMS=0&idRingtones=0&sColor=&StandBy=0&TalkTime=0&sFreeText=
Abriviation of HSPA is High Speed Packet Access, Which has 2 types, HSDPA (High Speed "download" Packet Access) and HSUPA (Upload speed)
Niether WiMax nor LTE are 4G, apparently.
They're just faster than what has gone before, but still slower than HSPA+, if memory serves.
Regardless of all that, 'upgrading' your plan to "4G" is stupid with a Vibrant, b/c it doesn't support anything resembling said *G.
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Oh forgot to mention if you have 2 phones in your hand both Vibrant (or any other 3.5g phone) and 4G phone from tmobile , both on same tmobile, sometimes difference can be in speed because it also depends on Antena strenght on your phone, some phones have better antena thats why they get more singnal but difference is not big at all. And if you ll stand next to HSPA+ (HSDPA) Tower with both Phones in your hands , Speed will be IDENTICAL. But on NEW phone it will show 4G even if its on same 3.5G (HSDPA or so Called HSPA+ how tmobile likes to call it) So 4G phone is basicly has overclocked Icon and Vibrant downclocked icon which Displays 3G , I think both phones would be correct if they will show H or 3.5G icon. But if they both will show H or 3.5G who will buy 4g phone ? and why the hell Tmobile then shows comercial of 4g ? Tmobile doesnt want you to know the truth, they want you to believe that by Buying 4G phone (which costs more) you will get better speed which is a big fat lie. Otherwise you will not fall for it and stick with your 7.2MBit/s HSDPA phone and it doesnt matter if its Vibrant or G1 or anyother phone. If you want to check which phones support 7.2MBit on HSDPA or 14.4 and see phones that have Wimax or upcoming LTE check gsmarena.com
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the mytouch 4g gets better speeds. Side by side with my friend's mt4g i get 1.5mb max he gets 2.7mb max.
Ok WiMax is slightly Faster than HSDPA for sure (dont mind spint since they USE 3g not WIMAX Network) LTE Can hold Speeds up to 60MBit per second in most countries Minimum speed is 20MBit per second, WiMax can hold up to 20Mbit as well in Most european countries it gets 9-10Mbit Per second. And 3MBit in bad locations. So Officially... 4G its LTE 2 or Wimax 2 which are next generations of Wimax and LTE. But here how it goes, GSM first Geneneration is GPRS, then second Generation is EDGE , then goes UMTS network for phones with Sim Cards, And EDVO-A (same 3g) for CDMA phones. Now Next generation which is 3.5G Its HSPA (HSPA+ its not a special network its still HSPA ) So with Maximum Download Speeds HSDPA 14.4Mbit per second, and upload HSUPA 5.72MBit. Now lets get to 4G , or I preffer to call it PRE-4G But after 3.5G. Main Candidate is LTE! Since I never saw Speed on LTE Network anywhere in europe Less than 14Mbit per second and Maximum speed I saw was 68mbit per second or so with some Europe Mobile Provider. Now lets go to WIMAX. Its not even Mobile network such as GSM or UMTS or HSPA or LTE. Its more of Next generation of WIFI. It works and acts as wifi more than Mobile network but with Big difference. Wifi N Routers for example can work up to 300feet range maybe even little more. While Wimax can work up to like 30-50mile RANGE! So basicly Internet Providers just Use those Special Routers with Huge Antena so you will get signal in your city And trasmit very big download and upload speeds. So thats Wimax. its like Extended range WiFi nothing else. So basicly if Sprint even has WiMax they are acting more like Att or Verizon DSL with speeds up to 3mbit per second plan and just trasmit it over WiMax to you if you are in range ofcourse. If not you will use just EDVO-A (3g)
So Basicly 2g is GSM or CDMA, 3g is UMTS or EDVO-A, 3.5G is HSPA, Pre4G or 4G Candidate is LTE at the moment. And real 4G will be LTE2. Wimax is just Next generation of WiFi.
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the mytouch 4g gets better speeds. Side by side with my friend's mt4g i get 1.5mb max he gets 2.7mb max.
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Well try to run tests like 10 times , and calculate avarage speed. I had problem with my Vibrant that I got 2.8Mbit one time on 1 spot. Its called Latency (lag) then I reran speedtest and it showed 4.5mbit per second. So does it Mean my "3g" phone faster than his 4g ? No since his phone capable of holding 14.4mbit per second on HSDPA while my only 7.2Mbit, But it could mean one of two things, 1 your phone is deffective antena or software for antena or HTC has better Antena and or better Firmware which makes antenna signal is better. Tmobile just doesnt provide good speed in your area. And when you ll run same test on same spot (do not hold sides of your since it can lose signal Antena is on the side of the phone you are blocking it) The proper way to test you and your friends phone is. Put both phones on table make sure distance will be at least few feet from each other so they will not block frequencies of each other. And press SPEEDTEST app same time. And run test about 5-10 times, if your phone will still show slower speed, try to change places put your phone on his place and his on yours. And if still you will get slower speed I suggest you go replace phone since you got it with deffective antena or firmware. But I bet his phone works with Froyo and Vibrant doesnt even have official froyo yet that may fix antena signal. I think vibrant has same problem as Iphone 4 had. But iphone 4 fixed it with 4.1 Firmware which updated baseband and Vibrant didnt have any fix. Anyway I got 4.7Mbit per second driving my car on Highway in Alabama using Stock Android 2.1 JK6. I didnt test speeds in that place anymore sitting on Axura 2.0.6 but in Miami, FL I get mostly 2.5-3.6mbit per second. But im sure if you ll go with your friend to T-Mobile HSPA tower (if you know the location) and put your phones to test you will get same speed. Tmobile doesnt offer bigger speeds than 6mbit Im sure of it. So the phones are equal at the moment.
If you don't like the option for the 4g keep it to yourself but for you idiots I have 4g coverage on my vibrant I upgraded it a few weeks ago and it shows up on my bill as unlimited 4g web so call t-mobile and ask them to upgrade your plan, making statements that you fail to research is ignorant and you just look stupid
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- You've seen the 4G advertisements from T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon, bragging about a much-better wireless network with blazing fast speeds.
Here's the secret the carriers don't advertise: 4G is a myth. Like the unicorn, it hasn't been spotted anywhere in the wild just yet -- and won't be any time in the near future.
The International Telecommunication Union, the global wireless standards-setting organization, determined last month that 4G is defined as a network capable of download speeds of 100 megabits per second (Mbps). That's fast enough to download an average high-definition movie in about three minutes.
None of the new networks the carriers are rolling out meet that standard.
Sprint (S, Fortune 500) was the first to launch a network called 4G, going live with it earlier this year. Then, T-Mobile launched its 4G network, claiming to be "America's largest 4G network." Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500) plans to launch its 4G network by the end of the year, which it claims will be the nation's largest and the fastest. AT&T (T, Fortune 500) is expected to unveil its 4G network next year.
Those networks have theoretical speeds of a fifth to a half that of the official 4G standard. The actual speeds the carriers say they'll achieve are just a tenth of "real" 4G.
So why are the carriers calling these networks 4G?
It's mostly a matter of PR, industry experts say. Explaining what the wireless carriers' new networks should be called, and what they'll be capable of, is a confusing mess.
To illustrate: Sprint bought a majority stake in Clearwire (CLWR), which uses a new network technology called WiMAX that's capable of speeds ranging from 3 Mbps to 10 Mbps. That's a different technology from Verizon's new network, based on a standard called Long Term Evolution (LTE), which will average 5 Mbps to 12 Mbps.
Seeing what its competitors were up to, T-Mobile opted to increase the speed capabilities of its existing 3G-HSPA+ network instead of pursuing a new technology. Its expanded network -- now called 4G -- will reach speeds of 5 Mbps to 12 Mbps.
No matter what they're called, all of these upgrades are clear improvements -- and the carriers shelled out billions to make them. Current "3G" networks offer actual speeds that range from between 500 kilobits per second to 1.5 Mbps.
So Sprint and Verizon have new, faster networks that are still technically not 4G, while T-Mobile has an old, though still faster network that is actually based on 3G technology.
Confused yet? That's why they all just opted to call themselves "4G."
The carriers get defensive about the topic.
"It's very misleading to make a decision about what's 4G based on speed alone," said Stephanie Vinge-Walsh, spokeswoman for Sprint Nextel. "It is a challenge we face in an extremely competitive industry."
T-Mobile did not respond to a request for comment.
One network representative, who asked not to be identified, claimed that ITU's 4G line-in-the-sand is being misconstrued. The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
ITU's PR department ignored that approval in its recent statement about how future wireless technologies would be measured, the representative said. ITU representatives were not immediately available for comment.
"I'm not getting into a technical debate," said Jeffrey Nelson, spokesman for Verizon Wireless. "Consumers will quickly realize that there's really a difference between the capabilities of various wireless data networks. All '4G' is not the same."
And that's what's so difficult. The term 4G has become meaningless and confusing as hell for wireless customers.
For instance, T-Mobile's 4G network, which is technically 3G, will have speeds that are at least equal to -- and possibly faster -- than Verizon's 4G-LTE network at launch. At the same time, AT&T's 3G network, which is also being scaled up like T-Mobile's, is not being labeled "4G."
That's why some industry experts predict that the term "4G" will soon vanish.
"The labeling of wireless broadband based on technical jargon is likely to fade away in 2011," said Dan Hays, partner at industry consultancy PRTM. "That will be good news for the consumer. Comparing carriers based on their network coverage and speed will give them more facts to make more informed decisions."
Hays expects that independent researchers -- or the Federal Communications Commission -- will step in next year to perform speed and coverage tests.
Meanwhile, don't expect anyone to hold the carriers' feet to the fire.
"Historically, ITU's classification system has not held a great degree of water and has not been used to enforce branding," Hays said. "Everyone started off declaring themselves to be 4G long before the official decision on labeling was made. The ITU was three to four years too late to make an meaningful impact on the industry's use of the term."
I got 4g speed on mine after my upgrade and my signal went from 3g to now says H.
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I'm pretty confused. I'm wondering what's the difference between hspa+ and LTE? I know verizon currently has LTE and At&t has hspa+ but what is the difference between the 4g speeds , I mean 4g is supposed to be (100 mbps ) right? Also why does At&t call their 4g phones , "4g" when they are going to LTE for 4g speeds so doesn't that mean hspa+ phones are a ripoff, and you wasted you're money on a 4g paperweight?
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I'm pretty confused. I'm wondering what's the difference between hspa+ and LTE? I know verizon currently has LTE and At&t has hspa+ but what is the difference between the 4g speeds , I mean 4g is supposed to be (100 mbps ) right? Also why does At&t call their 4g phones , "4g" when they are going to LTE for 4g speeds so doesn't that mean hspa+ phones are a ripoff, and you wasted you're money on a 4g paperweight?
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hspa+ is fake 4g (though so is the current LTE, but hspa+ is just 3g hspa on steroids, not a new standard). On my HTC Thunderbolt with Verizon, I get anywhere from 16Mbps to 30Mbps, depending on where I am for LTE.
If you want to know more about LTE, I would suggest doing a search around one of the Verizon phone forums with LTE, such as the Thunderbolt, Charge or Bionic.
LTV vs HSPA+
I guess it depends on the flavor of each you are referring to, the backhaul the given provider attaches to their network, and the amount of spectrum they have. Comparing a given HSPA+ site to a LTE site and assuming same backhaul and same amount of spectrum, I think LTE pushes more bytes more quickly than the HSPA+ [21Mbps/14/7] that AT&T has deployed. However, T-Mobile is deploying a flavor of HSPA+ that is 42Mbps. Real world speeds of that network have been up around 30Mbps with the Rocket 3.0 which puts it on par with some of Verizon's LTE real world peak speeds. I don't know if AT&T has stated if they will go to that version of HSPA+ or not, and even if they do I am not sure they have enough spectrum to do that (without buying T-Mobile's). I would say LTE is better, and once AT&T, Verizon and Sprint roll out LTE Advanced with and VoLTE, that will be the best. As far as 4G, that organization that decides what is 4G (which by the way has changed it's mind at least once) says they want 100Mbps mobile and 1Gb fixed as the speed standard for 4G speeds. Of the HSPA+ phones I have played with in stores or owned by friends, I have not gotten one to break 11Mbps yet, and they generally seem to sit around 5.
A friend I work with just got the EVO 4G LTE and he is coming from the OG EVO 4G. He got 4G on his old phone where we are at but he can not get 4G on the new EVO 4G LTE. Is it because the old EVO did wimax and the new one doesnt have a wimax chip in it, only LTE and they have not upgraded to LTE in our area yet? And he has LTE/CDMA selected under mobile network settings.
you are right this phone has no wimax only 3g that's why people who got wimax capable phones still using then cause sprint 3g is a joke they should be ashamed at calling this 3g. I just came to sprint three weeks ago from TMobile. TMobile edge/2g Network blows sprint 3g away i mean if you compared the three g speeds of TMobile it's faster than wimax and if you compared TMobile hspa to sprint Wimax it make that look slow. I didn't know sprint was thus bad our i would of stayed i just got tired of TMobile not getting any good phones.
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you are right this phone has no wimax only 3g that's why people who got wimax capable phones still using then cause sprint 3g is a joke they should be ashamed at calling this 3g. I just came to sprint three weeks ago from TMobile. TMobile edge/2g Network blows sprint 3g away i mean if you compared the three g speeds of TMobile it's faster than wimax and if you compared TMobile hspa to sprint Wimax it make that look slow. I didn't know sprint was thus bad our i would of stayed i just got tired of TMobile not getting any good phones.
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then that is probably the deal. i have Verizon, so dont really keep up with what is going on with Sprint around my area, but i have not heard of them getting LTE around here yet. i am just north of houston, they may have it down in houston, but houston always gets new things, then my area gets it shortly after as they start to expand out. i know verizon and att have their LTE working here. but you are right about Sprints 3G speeds, i downloaded speedtest on his phone and it took like 3 minutes. haha
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they should be ashamed at calling this 3g.
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Which is ironic, as every carrier should be ashamed of calling whatever their top service is "4G". If you had actual, true-to-spec 4G service, you'd need a new pair of pants.
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Which is ironic, as every carrier should be ashamed of calling whatever their top service is "4G". If you had actual, true-to-spec 4G service, you'd need a new pair of pants.
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Technically Sprints WiMax was closer in terms of Spec than any carriers LTE or hspa+. But with almost no backhaul improvements over 3g, piss poor rollout speed, and craptastic implementation, it was doomed to fail. LTE gives us 3.5G. LTE advanced will bring us true 4G with LTE tech. Sadly I'm not sure we will ever see it, or be able to afford it with the way carriers are treating data plans.
With true 4G you'll be able to burn an AT& T data cap in 10 minutes and Verizons in 30 minutes. By this time I assume network vision will have failed miserably and Google will have purchased Sprint for pennies and made a prepay carrier full of Android badassery.... At least that's what I'm hoping for.
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How do you enable hspa+ on an atrix 4g? I can never seem to get the "H+" or "4g" icon, only H (i've checked inside the phone settings and it is definitely just hspa, not hspa+, or hspa: category 10 or otherwise)
I bought my atrix 4g off craigslist and used it on ATT straight talk for a month and had horrible speeds and never had hspa+ (only hspa) so I had the phone carrier unlocked and took it to tmobile monthly 4g but still I am only getting hspa (not hspa+).
Basically, is this phone capable of getting "pseduo-4g" hspa+ or is it locked to hspa? I've seen several mentions of ATT shipping the phone with hspa+ disabled, but no way of knowing how to enable it.
Other info: I am currently using neutrino ROM.
Thanks!
You will only get edge on t mobile with any att phone.............
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Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
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Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
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I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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fireforhire said:
I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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Except that Tmobile is refarming their 1900mhz pcs from 2g to 3g... so yeah you can. Las Vegas and Kansas City are already official... so what?
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Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, the Atrix 4G does 14.4mbps hspa, isn't the 21mbps the actual hspa+?
I know it may not be possible but, Hes talking about an ATRIX 4g. Not ATRIX 2. READ MUCH???
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The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
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The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
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I didn't know tmob where deploying a hspa frequency that at&T use. Thanks for that tip.
10Mbps achieved on Atrix on at&T 3g network here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1905464
hspa category 10 is 'characterized' as hspa+ but is not hspa+ (evolved hspa) and should not display h+ or 4g on the status bar for that reason. The 4g branding is exactly that... "branding" and at&T should have never used 4g in the name in my opinion. They always said "4g like speeds"
See post #4 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1912716 where there are also a couple links I posted that I found interesting on this subject.
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Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
tgeo said:
Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
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Only ics and jb display the additional radio info.
The key is that you are on a radio that is suited to your rom and provider. 36p and 37p are the two most popular at&t radios, 37p being the official production release and used on many releases. Both 36p and 37p operate at hspa 10. Each provider is at differing phases, as well as having differing standards in their network, for how they implement the any bells and whistles of cellular. There is so much to it.
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Terrible speeds with H+ Icon. Hspa marked as H+.
I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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Might get the app on Google Play called Antennas, it'll show you the cell sites/towers you're connected to on maps; if you're connected at a given mode (like HSPA or UMTS) but you're pretty far from the site/tower, that could be the primary reason you get the "terrible" speeds. Antennas does work best, however, by putting the phone in 2G/EDGE mode but it is capable of doing 3G/4G/HSPA/UMTS/etc as well.
I live literally across the street from the main site/tower that I stay connected to so I pull 5-8Mbps when I'm in HSPA+ mode but, I keep my Photon in 2G/EDGE mode probably 99% of the time, I have Wi-Fi at home also so there's just no reason to use up any of my 5GB of bandwidth for the "4G" side of things.
T-Mobile 1900 mhz service on Atrix 4G in MD!!
So having played with a couple of 4Gś @ work (and how unawesome they made my G2x look!) I purchased a combo phone and lapdock. This before i realized they worked on different frequencies!!! DOH!
Fortunately, T-Mobś been ahead of me on the curve. I read that they started the long road to providing their service to the souls stranded out in Verizon &/or AT&T limbo...
So I swapped my sim and...Yaaaay! 4 of 5 bars of....wait for it... H+!!!:laugh:
Then, BOOOOO! No data! No MMS. No internet!:crying:
A few hours of online (and Iḿ ashamed to say, trial and error build prop editing) plus 3 calls to T-Mob yielded this in an email:
¨APN settings for data and picture messaging (MMS): Android" on T-mobileś support page (as a noob I cannot post the link):silly:
Iḿ now docked, working, spotifying and sharing ´ẃif my XDA fam!¨
Hope this helps!
This is my first time having a 4G T-Mobile device. I managed to turn off the 4g, but is there an option to use 3G on these phones? Are 2G and HSPA+(besides wifi)the only options we have?
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This is my first time having a 4G T-Mobile device. I managed to turn off the 4g, but is there an option to use 3G on these phones? Are 2G and HSPA+(besides wifi) are the only options we have?
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L9 is not 4G (LTE) device. It seems T-Mobile is giving marginally faster 3G (HSDPA) and calling it as 4G (LTE). L9 does not have LTE hardware at all. Check manual by LG, they never call it 4G device. Seems T-Mobile is trolling with its customers since long time with this term though their speed is good.
I never thought it had LTE. From trying a speed test, the speed was comparable to Sprint wimax. I still call it 4G even if it's not "true 4g". Thanks for the clarification, that's understandable.
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The sad truth is Sprint's wimax and the currently deployed LTE iterations aren't 4G either. T-Mobile's LTE rel. 10 will be 4G.
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G