Hi folks,
Have you heard if ICS implementation includes plan to get rid of Touch key (capacitive button) on Galaxy Note I717?
I'm so tired of constantly pressing buttons by accident. (It's most likely the way I hold my phone but still that's the way I feel most comfortable)
What are your thoughts folks? Should these buttons be something I should be embracing instead? Should I go back to iphone? (just kidding!)
Seriously, does anyone know if they are going to remove these buttons?
Quick answer is no. You might be able to disable them and use icons.
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cyris69 said:
Quick answer is no. You might be able to disable them and use icons.
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What he said^^
While some wish to not have them period, many still make use of them everyday and to be honest, on screen only buttons arn't 100% reliable. I have only a home button on my Nook Color and rely on OnScreen buttons and sometimes you'll be tapping them with no response, but tapping the hom button works. If given the option to disable in lieu of Button Savior i would certainly try it out, but I would never want the buttons disabled completely with no option to enable.
Right I meant option to disable! I wonder if ROM developers will consider this option for my model
I know that when ics alpha came out on the Astrix it had the ics icon buttons even though the Astrix uses capacitive buttons. Later the touch buttons were removed
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Chief Geek said:
What he said^^
on screen only buttons arn't 100% reliable.
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On my Galaxy Nexus they were as much reliable as capacitive buttons. On screen buttons, in my opinion, is a plus for Android.
mark1s said:
On my Galaxy Nexus they were as much reliable as capacitive buttons. On screen buttons, in my opinion, is a plus for Android.
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I love on screen buttons and use them all the time, I'm just saying I do not want the hardware capability removed, just optional. I preferred Button Savior, if you havn't tried them give it a whirl, they are great.
I really don't mind the buttons. I just got my note last night and didn't think the s-pen not being able to use them would be a big deal. However, it is.....
BUT my biggest problem is the home and menu buttons are flipped compared to my tbolt. It's going to take awhile to adjust to that.
Is that how all samsung phones are?
schrochem said:
I really don't mind the buttons. I just got my note last night and didn't think the s-pen not being able to use them would be a big deal.
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You can make gestures with the s-pen that does exactly the same as pressing a button. Check it out!
http://youtu.be/kRIZhASNT4U
schrochem said:
BUT my biggest problem is the home and menu buttons are flipped compared to my tbolt. It's going to take awhile to adjust to that.
Is that how all samsung phones are?
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Took me about 2 days to ajust, it's not a big deal
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I mean honestly why couldn't they have left the volume button off and put another port or speaker or something! Honestly they could have integrated the volume nicely into their quick settings bar!
Or better yet made the a piece of the bezel with capacitive volume buttons...
I think they volume buttons where a waste of time on asus's part!
I know they are nice to have but common be different!
Also does this have a orientation lock switch?
A side note I really live ICS's spell check and copy and paste its so much nicer than gingerbread! Except its not the same through out like Gmail for example is different the the browser which bugs me! Lol
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Come on now SMH. Of course it's needed. It don't need another speaker grill as most that actually have device in possession said the sound is great. .
demandarin said:
Come on now SMH. Of course it's needed. It don't need another speaker grill as most that actually have device in possession said the sound is great. .
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Still why not have it be on screen?
You don't turn the volume up and down while the device is off lol
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Because that is just normal for an tablet/phone? Why do you even care?
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A side note I really live ICS's spell check
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I was disappointed at first about the single speaker, however I've remedied this with some Logitech bluetooth speakers. The lack of a volume button is one of my only gripes with my Kindle Fire, so yes I think it is absolutely necessary to have a button.
I'd be willing to bet, that if they added an extra speaker, and left off the volume control, that I'd be reading a thread titled "Is there a reason for the extra speaker"... blah blah blah they could have put a volume button in its place, and other nonsense.
because otherwise every single app would need to add some way of adjusting volume in the app?
waste of time and space? I doubt having a volume rocker wastes much of either.
Also, volume rocker needed to boot into that fast boot mode or whatever. If device is soft bricked, it needs hardware button combination of volume and power to bring it into that mode to fix the issue or hard reset to take back to factory defaults/rom.
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because otherwise every single app would need to add some way of adjusting volume in the app?
waste of time and space? I doubt having a volume rocker wastes much of either.
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No that could be software implementation!
You have that dock bar always showing! Why not put a button on that silly!
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No that could be software implementation!
You have that dock bar always showing! Why not put a button on that silly!
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what dock bar? When you are playing shadowgun on your prime you expect there to be a dock bar so you can adjust the volume? It doesn't work like that and would look really bad if it did
Your point is interesting. Amazon chose not to put hardware volume on the Kindle Fire and that is one of the points that they are getting skewered on. So I am guessing that the software only volume control is in the minority. At least on Android devices.
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what dock bar? When you are playing shadowgun on your prime you expect there to be a dock bar so you can adjust the volume? It doesn't work like that and would look really bad if it did
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Uhmmm how do you get to the home screen then? The dock bar on the bottom! Lol! Have you never used a tablet version of. Android!
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ahhh I see what you mean I thought you were talking about having capacitive buttons you mentioned as a possibility.
But either way, its a solution for a non existent problem.
BongoBong said:
ahhh I see what you mean I thought you were talking about having capacitive buttons you mentioned as a possibility.
But either way, its a solution for a non existent problem.
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Still I do not see why android needs any physical buttons...
Everything would looks so nice without them!
I see the need like you said to get to the restore and such as I use that often! All I see android needing is 1 power button but even that could be just like slide over like the back of the PS Vita!
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I don't use the volume button much, I wish there would be an orientation lock which I use much more frequently than volume adjustment.
Also I don't quite like the HC/ICS way of copy/paste, you have to move far away from the text you just selected to press the copy button. I think it look cool but not intuitive.
I used to think the volume button wasn't important on a tablet, then I got shot in the knee with an arrow.
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Still I do not see why android needs any physical buttons...
Everything would looks so nice without them!
I see the need like you said to get to the restore and such as I use that often! All I see android needing is 1 power button but even that could be just like slide over like the back of the PS Vita!
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I think the volume rocker is needed. I find it very inconvenient if one needs to click the menu and adjust the volume every single time. I think its one of the reason why there are short cuts on you laptops that allows you to adjust the volume. For example if you are playing a first play shooter game and you want to adjust the volume, having to go into menu, change the volume will very likely get you killed.
And also, I think the reason Asus choose the single speaker instead two speaker is due to the size of the speaker. Instead of using two smaller mediocre speaker they chose to include one really good speaker which is bigger in size. Simply removing the volume rocker there wouldn't be enough space to add that second speaker. And also there's problem with the cost.
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I mean honestly why couldn't they have left the volume button off and put another port or speaker or something! Honestly they could have integrated the volume nicely into their quick settings bar!
Or better yet made the a piece of the bezel with capacitive volume buttons...
I think they volume buttons where a waste of time on asus's part!
I know they are nice to have but common be different!
Also does this have a orientation lock switch?
A side note I really live ICS's spell check and copy and paste its so much nicer than gingerbread! Except its not the same through out like Gmail for example is different the the browser which bugs me! Lol
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How could you navigate in recovery?
TWRP2 is now a touch screen recovery, coming soon..........
My phone has touch screen recovery. Well kinda. I use the buttons on the bottom of the screen.
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Well, for me, the only thing that made my droidx2 not perfect, was the home row of buttons. I always figured, why ruin the touchscreen experience with a clicking button thats basically a small slit. Now dont get me wrong, i dont mind buttons like on the charge, which were huge and pretty nice to press. But the ones on the dx2 and X1 were kind of a let down. So, i searched around and got hold of an app called SoftKeys, and i feel like even though it might be an extra click to bring up the buttons, i dont have to shift my hands to firmly press the buttons anymore, giving me much more fluid use of my phone. Hope this comes of use to anyone else sick of their buttons!
I attached some pics of them running on my phone, so you can see that it persists as a little button to press on, that you call in the home row.
This is pretty sweet. I will have to download and try it out. The softkeys are the worst on these phone. I much prefer to have them as a touch screen extension. Plus, when you are laying in bed at night surfing XDA on your DX2 and your spouse in sleeping so soundly next to you, the CLICK sound that the back button makes after you are done reading a post could easily disrupt the ZZZ's. Just me? lol
I'll come back and let you know how I like it.
PS: What is that battery widget on your homescreen. I NEED IT!
The battery meter im using is called battery monitor widget ver 2.0.6. and my gf is a light sleeper so i am in that boat lol.
Thanks! I've been using one but I'd rather have a widget than have it hanging out in my notification bar.
I use Button Savior. The developer has kept up development on it and it is really pretty nice. It now does all the main hardware buttons, volume control, phone button, etc. It's pretty nice. Just my $0.02, adjusted for inflation, of course.
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I use Button Savior. The developer has kept up development on it and it is really pretty nice. It now does all the main hardware buttons, volume control, phone button, etc. It's pretty nice. Just my $0.02, adjusted for inflation, of course.<br />
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I have Button Savior installed just in case any if my buttons stop working. The free version is quite simple and nice.
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Is there an app that possibly replicates the ICS softkeys?
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Is there an app that possibly replicates the ICS softkeys?
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Do those keys look like the ones on the Razr?
Ill definitely have to check that out, i wish we could get the nexus buttons somehow through an app too.
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I use Button Savior. The developer has kept up development on it and it is really pretty nice. It now does all the main hardware buttons, volume control, phone button, etc. It's pretty nice. Just my $0.02, adjusted for inflation, of course.
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Button Savior is where its at!!!!!
I have to agree this button savior seems very nice. My back button is starting to sink in. So this is nice to have I did not care for soft keys that much.
Man the more I use this the better I like it. Wish I knew about this app before. I tried the soft keys but missed moon shadows post about this app.
Right, the reason I have started this thread is, I see some discomfort using Back capacitive button. I am not complaining that buttons don't respond to touch, they do. All 3 of them.
Let me give you an example: I am playing with the phone, doing something on the screen. After, let's say few minutes, I want to go back, so I touch Back button, but it does not respond. I press few more times and eventually it registers. Some people would say "hit and miss" or "there is an issue with capacitive buttons". I say no, because I am touching it there, where I supposed to, also once it start registering, every time I press it, it registers (I have haptic feedback on, so I know it works). I have problems only, when I am not touching capacitive buttons for some time.
I hope I explained this well. I think this is, what in some reviews has been described as "hit and miss" or "capacitive buttons not register". Do you have the same problem? If yes, why is that happening? Is it software or hardware?
I don't have this problem because I realised that the most sensitive and best working area
for left/right button isactually in the inside space rather than exactly on those little points.
So once I press slightly to the middle, it works. It requires also a little longer press.
Ok, I will try that.
I do agree on the buttons. Probably the only thing to get used to, but one you do, no phone like it period! This is sick an amazing phone it is rediculous
The back button on my phone @ left corner is actually the best out of the three. and maybe I feel the same way about the middle "HOME" button where it registers little higher than the other two. actually I have hit it few times accidentally while I was trying to push the space bar on keyboard.
But every time I felt the haptic feedback, button worked.
I am happy with the performance of the buttons. It seems like they work like the power and eject buttons on the PS3. They respond when you remove your finger.
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The only thing I have to get used to...
Almost no extra hits anymore...
One touch is most of the times correct registered :-(
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Right, so by looks of it, there is no issue. Something I have to get used to. Thanks a lot guys. I also hope it will help future buyers as well.
I have not had any problems with the capacitive buttons so far and tbh i prefer them to hardware buttons like on the arc/play etc
No problems here. They are better than the one's on a Samsung galaxy s2.
I used to have a Nexus One and the buttons are similar to that, you sort of have to roll/slide your finger upwards on the button ever so slightly.
I barely notice it but I know what you mean.
I find that if you aim just slightly to the middle of the screen rather than on the dots then it works great
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Good tip.
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indesisiv said:
I find that if you aim just slightly to the middle of the screen rather than on the dots then it works great
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Yep doing the same
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pixate said:
No problems here. They are better than the one's on a Samsung galaxy s2.
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How can you be serious? I have both, and as perfect as the Xperia S is as an upgrade, its capacitive buttons are not as sharp and fool proof..that's my only gripe ...
Example situation of problem:
Right after finishing recording a decent length FullHD video, pressing home or back needs to be done repeatedly to register (MOST of the time).
Not a deal breaker, but I so hope this is software related..
I have the same issue but after one day of owning this phone im learning where to press to get a response first time
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Well I started off doing the "pressing above the dots" thing, until I noticed you could also swipe them (I swipe from the transparent bar up)....now I'm used to swiping them and never have any problem
I'm liking the swiping method, its impossible to miss and well..it's kinda fun for some reason
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Well I started off doing the "pressing above the dots" thing, until I noticed you could also swipe them (I swipe from the transparent bar up)....now I'm used to swiping them and never have any problem
I'm liking the swiping method, its impossible to miss and well..it's kinda fun for some reason
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Yeah, that works very well. Thanks.
I am just glad we have sorted it out and it turned out it is not a software or hardware issue. After reading some advises, my phone cooperates with me much better.
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There are 3 Touch Buttons at the Bottom of Xperia S.
Back, Home, Menu
These 3 Touch Buttons does not respond very frequently. Back Touch Button is the worst.
And This annoying me very much..
How is your Xperia S? Do you have any tips?
What firmware version do you have? For me, version 6.1.A.2.45 improvement the responsiveness of the buttons. It still isn't perfect but at least it feels much better than previous firmwares.
They tend to be kinda unresponsive, but I found a way to not miss, I slide my finger upwards from the transparent bar going to the screen area, pressing the button on my way up without missing. It's kinda lame when you think about it, but you get used to it, it comes naturally when navigating using the soft keys.
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What firmware version do you have? For me, version 6.1.A.2.45 improvement the responsiveness of the buttons. It still isn't perfect but at least it feels much better than previous firmwares.
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I am using MIUI V4 2.8.31. it based on ROM version 6.1.A.1.58.
Do you think this could be better or fixed with Firmware?
What i am thinking is this problem can be a Hardware problem. I am not sure.. but. i just have such feel...
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They tend to be kinda unresponsive, but I found a way to not miss, I slide my finger upwards from the transparent bar going to the screen area, pressing the button on my way up without missing. It's kinda lame when you think about it, but you get used to it, it comes naturally when navigating using the soft keys.
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Then i should practice with your tip..
Do you think also this could be better with other firmware?
kleinsteinjung said:
hi,
There are 3 Touch Buttons at the Bottom of Xperia S.
Back, Home, Menu
These 3 Touch Buttons does not respond very frequently. Back Touch Button is the worst.
And This annoying me very much..
How is your Xperia S? Do you have any tips?
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I never have any prob's.. Just press a bit to the left of the buttons, you won't miss even once
Use the thank button, it's there for a reason
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I never have any prob's.. Just press a bit to the left of the buttons, you won't miss even once
Use the thank button, it's there for a reason
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Well.. then.. i need just a practice. after that, i will write the report here again...
I think you just need some time to get used to pressing them.
At first I had problems too and had to swipe up on the buttons to get them to register.
Now, I have a 100% "hit accuracy" on the buttons without having to slide.
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Hi,
I'm looking to try out a Note. But want to know if there is a feature in some kernel or flashable zip of some kind to achieve this. I searched around but got mixed results so I'm not certain. thank you in advance.
I remember having that option on my Vivid. However, I do believe that is an HTC/Sense option. Someone correct me?
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I remember having that option on my Vivid. However, I do believe that is an HTC/Sense option. Someone correct me?
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hehe, yeah Vivid is what I have right now but looking to get something bigger screen-wise
I am happy I switched to be honest. Development just died for the vivid.
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I would love this too. I looked around awhile back and couldn't find anything.
Josh
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Its an option on the s2 with a kernel supporting extweaks
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That probably means we need a Siyah kernel
Whoa, funny to see 2 other people switching from a Vivid to a Note!
This is something I'd been looking for a while as well, never found anything. It was such a nice way to turn on/off my screen, made the button seem ancient and obsolete.
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Whoa, funny to see 2 other people switching from a Vivid to a Note!
This is something I'd been looking for a while as well, never found anything. It was such a nice way to turn on/off my screen, made the button seem ancient and obsolete.
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well, not just a note but just something a bit bigger than the vivid, i'm even considering the GS3 as well. but the thing is, I dock my phone onto my car's instrumentation panel and it seems to work well but there's no way i can get to the vivid's power button, and even the samsung lines would be difficult to get to as the power button is on the side; i hope someone can make something like this for the samsung lines.
thanks.
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Its an option on the s2 with a kernel supporting extweaks
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It doesn't really need to be 'swept' to wake. all I want is something that I can touch (or hold) on the front screen or bottoms to wake this thing up. anything? if not, I think what I'll do is go for the international version which, its middle button wakes the note up.
thanks!
you can flash a cm based rom and set device to stay awake while charging. you can also set to wake with volume keys. unless you mount phone with both sides blocked. i personaly set to stay awake and have modified my sunglass holder to hold phone. sits just above rear view mirror and works great even though power button is down and cant be pressed. if you want to stay with touchwiz screen times out at 10 minutes and no option to stay awake. however if you have sqlite editor you can change the database to stay awake but i have had issues with this not wanting to stick after reboot.
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It doesn't really need to be 'swept' to wake. all I want is something that I can touch (or hold) on the front screen or bottoms to wake this thing up. anything? if not, I think what I'll do is go for the international version which, its middle button wakes the note up.
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so you want to wake/unlock the device without using any hardware buttons?
i use lightlock or proximity screen off/on from the play store. it uses the front sensors to wake/unlock or sleep.
i set lightlock to just 1 sec so all i have to do is put my hand/finger over the front sensor then my note wakes up
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so you want to wake/unlock the device without using any hardware buttons?
i use lightlock or proximity screen off/on from the play store. it uses the front sensors to wake/unlock or sleep.
i set lightlock to just 1 sec so all i have to do is put my hand/finger over the front sensor then my note wakes up
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Does this mean it wakes up in your pocket?
no. it will only wake if it senses a proximity change
so if you use lightlock and just cover the sensor, nothing will happen. if you cover the sensor for a set period that you choose and then remove your hand, then your device will wake.
you should try it out. it makes using your phone feel futuristic. impresses a lot of people especially when you show somebody with an iphone lol
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so you want to wake/unlock the device without using any hardware buttons?
i use lightlock or proximity screen off/on from the play store. it uses the front sensors to wake/unlock or sleep.
i set lightlock to just 1 sec so all i have to do is put my hand/finger over the front sensor then my note wakes up
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thank you so much! I will check this out. this will work great. yeah i can now go look for a Note!!
and don't need to look for the international one, which seems to be more expensive.