Noob here again
So I want to install Shoshock's ICS ROM. Just to be sure on the steps:
Place on SD card (how do I do this exactly?)
Wipe data via CWM (do I need to do this if I'm on stock rooted 2.3.6?)
Navigate to location on SD card and install
105108 said:
Noob here again
So I want to install Shoshock's ICS ROM. Just to be sure on the steps:
Place on SD card (how do I do this exactly?)
Wipe data via CWM (do I need to do this if I'm on stock rooted 2.3.6?)
Navigate to location on SD card and install
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If you don't even know how to put the file onto your phone, I'd suggest you not to mess with your phone.
But if you must.... I'd suggest you read a ton more about it before going any further.
There are plenty of ways to put a file onto your phone.
You do this in recovery (read about this)
Same as above (read about this)
Read more, thanks.
Well, I know how to do this by just drag and drop, but I think I read somewhere that there's a specific way to move it onto the phone?
Do I need to wipe if I'm coming from stock rooted?
105108 said:
Well, I know how to do this by just drag and drop, but I think I read somewhere that there's a specific way to move it onto the phone?
Do I need to wipe if I'm coming from stock rooted?
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No there's no special way....
And what do you think?
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Like the other guys said, you should definitely read more before you try doing this. Take a look at the first page of the ROM's thread. It tells you specifically that you have to wipe if you're coming from another ROM.
After you get the ROM .zip on your internal SD (there are several ways to do this), just install it via CWM like any other ROM.
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Stock meaning so someone else can use phone and still have root. Do I have to revert back to non root stock and root again?
go to the development section and under official rom list flash one of the basic debloat roms like plainjane. its basically stock root.
Heelfan71 said:
Stock meaning so someone else can use phone and still have root. Do I have to revert back to non root stock and root again?
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I'm not sure if you actually want a stock rom or the one you are using is ok and you just want to remove your data for someone else to use it which is what it sounds like, you don't need a new rom. You just need to wipe data/factory reset and remove any of your personal stuff from the sdcard.
Edit:
Wiping can be done from recovery or menu->settings->privacy.
After copying sdcard you can clear photos and music with menu->settings->storage->erase SD
Absolute_Zero said:
I'm not sure if you actually want a stock rom or the one you are using is ok and you just want to remove your data for someone else to use it which is what it sounds like, you don't need a new rom. You just need to wipe data/factory reset and remove any of your personal stuff from the sdcard.
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Wiping can be done from recovery or menu->settings->privacy.
After copying sdcard you can clear photos and music with menu->settings->storage->erase SD
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Thanks, I think I will do that. I am keeping the SD card (32gb) and put in a new 16gb one I have.
Hi folks, first like to say thank you to everyone who puts this stuff together- mindboggling for me so it is.
ANyway, im not a techie, but im getting there.
I've rooted my S2, and i now have CWM and superuser on the phone. I have read ALOT of threads , and i'm a bit confused about my next steps. I have no sd card.
I want to get one of those ROMS to help the battery and all the other jazz(phone call recording sounds particularly sweet), but im wary of jumping into it... I have android 2.33 on the phone, and it was the kf3 kernal that i flashed on with ODIN to ROOT the phone successfully;
Q1. I was thinking of the lightning ROM for my phone- do i need to check which kernel and android version i have and match them up with a specific version of whichever ROM i go for?
Q2. Do i have to 'wipe' the phone before installing the ROM? ( i dont know what this means)
Q3. with the above in mind, can anyone point me towards a detailed tutorial on putting a ROM on the phone? ( i have looked honestly, im not being lazy- they dont seem to say what to do if youve already rooted the phone)
EDIT Q4- Should i have NOT rooted with KF3 V 4.0 and just installed the litening ROM, which would have rooted the phone aswell? - I'm really confused. Basically i can't figure out if ive made it harder to put a ROM on there, or easier.
EDIT Q5; will this method work ( im still not sure how to identify what rom fits my system)
How to install a ROM using CWM
Installing a ROM using CWM is a lot less hassle then installing via Odin. The ROM developer will specify which method of installing their ROM you can use, but it is usually done by a CWM flashable .zip.
To flash:
1. Boot into CWM as described above
2. Navigate to 'install zip from sd card'
3. Select it, and then navigate to 'install zip from sdcard' again!
4. Select the ROM you downloaded from your sd card
5. Navigate down to yes
6. Let CWM install you new ROM!
Many Thank yous in advance for anyone who can help this cabbage (ie, me).
Cheers
fracked said:
Hi folks, first like to say thank you to everyone who puts this stuff together- mindboggling for me so it is.
ANyway, im not a techie, but im getting there.
I've rooted my S2, and i now have CWM and superuser on the phone. I have read ALOT of threads , and i'm a bit confused about my next steps. I have no sd card.
I want to get one of those ROMS to help the battery and all the other jazz(phone call recording sounds particularly sweet), but im wary of jumping into it... I have android 2.33 on the phone, and it was the kf3 kernal that i flashed on with ODIN to ROOT the phone successfully;
Q1. I was thinking of the lightning ROM for my phone- do i need to check which kernel and android version i have and match them up with a specific version of whichever ROM i go for?
Q2. Do i have to 'wipe' the phone before installing the ROM? ( i dont know what this means)
Q3. with the above in mind, can anyone point me towards a detailed tutorial on putting a ROM on the phone? ( i have looked honestly, im not being lazy- they dont seem to say what to do if youve already rooted the phone)
EDIT Q4- Should i have NOT rooted with KF3 V 4.0 and just installed the litening ROM, which would have rooted the phone aswell? - I'm really confused. Basically i can't figure out if ive made it harder to put a ROM on there, or easier.
EDIT Q5; will this method work ( im still not sure how to identify what rom fits my system)
How to install a ROM using CWM
Installing a ROM using CWM is a lot less hassle then installing via Odin. The ROM developer will specify which method of installing their ROM you can use, but it is usually done by a CWM flashable .zip.
To flash:
1. Boot into CWM as described above
2. Navigate to 'install zip from sd card'
3. Select it, and then navigate to 'install zip from sdcard' again!
4. Select the ROM you downloaded from your sd card
5. Navigate down to yes
6. Let CWM install you new ROM!
Many Thank yous in advance for anyone who can help this cabbage (ie, me).
Cheers
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A1 No, lighting Rom includes its own kernal and will update your phnes android version when you install it.
A2 you should to make sure their are no stray bits of data floating around. Go to cwm and put it into recovery mode. clean the cache, the go into into advanced and clean daavik cache.
this is what is mean by wiping the phone. if you want you can also do a factory reset.
A3 the method in in question 5 is the usual way to do it from cwm but make sure that you copy it into the internal sdcard.
A4. rooting makes it easier in as it gives you access to the file structure of the phone. It is always a good idea to root the phone, if you want to customize it.
A5. To use cwm mwthod any rom has to come it a zip file version. Tar file versions are used with odin but in any case always follow the developers instructions to get the best out of the rom.
Cosmic Blue said:
A1 No, lighting Rom includes its own kernal and will update your phnes android version when you install it.
A2 you should to make sure their are no stray bits of data floating around. Go to cwm and put it into recovery mode. clean the cache, the go into into advanced and clean daavik cache.
this is what is mean by wiping the phone. if you want you can also do a factory reset.
A3 the method in in question 5 is the usual way to do it from cwm but make sure that you copy it into the internal sdcard.
A4. rooting makes it easier in as it gives you access to the file structure of the phone. It is always a good idea to root the phone, if you want to customize it.
A5. To use cwm mwthod any rom has to come it a zip file version. Tar file versions are used with odin but in any case always follow the developers instructions to get the best out of the rom.
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Hi Cosmic blue,
thak you so much for coming back to me, i really appreciate it.
So if i can just clarify my proposed method then from the above with a few more questions;
1 go to cwm recovery and clean the two caches you mentioned above while in recovery mode. ( i see the menu now in recovery mode- would i be right in saying the ones to select are 'wipe cache partition' and i can see the dalvik one in advanced no problem)
2 I need to get the rom zip file from the developers thread. SO i download that to my laptop- then whats the best way to transfer to the phone internal sd card as you said...Do i Need an external sd card yes? (sorry, i know this sounds dumb )
3 ( please ignore this one if youre busy- no big deal as i can do more research) can you recommend a good ROM thats not majorly complicated, saves the battery, looks cool i suppose and has some good extra fucntions? as i was saying i liked the lite'ning one but ive read some places that its a bit of a battery drain...
Thank you so miuch again, its so appreciated.
Cheers
fracked said:
Hi Cosmic blue,
thak you so much for coming back to me, i really appreciate it.
So if i can just clarify my proposed method then from the above with a few more questions;
1 go to cwm recovery and clean the two caches you mentioned above while in recovery mode. ( i see the menu now in recovery mode- would i be right in saying the ones to select are 'wipe cache partition' and i can see the dalvik one in advanced no problem)
2 I need to get the rom zip file from the developers thread. SO i download that to my laptop- then whats the best way to transfer to the phone internal sd card as you said...Do i Need an external sd card yes? (sorry, i know this sounds dumb )
3 ( please ignore this one if youre busy- no big deal as i can do more research) can you recommend a good ROM thats not majorly complicated, saves the battery, looks cool i suppose and has some good extra fucntions? as i was saying i liked the lite'ning one but ive read some places that its a bit of a battery drain...
Thank you so miuch again, its so appreciated.
Cheers
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1. correct, wipe those 2 to prepare your phone.
2. no, you do not need an external card. Go to the laptop root directory, you will see the internal sdcard of your phone as a drive, create a new folder in the phone sdcard and copy the zip file to it.
then detach cable and go into recovery and flash the zip file.
3. you will need to experiment with different roms. Lite'ing is fine all custom roms are a bit of battery drain because of the extra functions. But the battery life is still better then the stock as they have tweaked the battery to discharge slower for longer battery life.
4. Everyone has different preferences. try different combinations of firmware, kernal and modem till you find one that you will like.
The problem started when after I flashed the recovery with Odin. When I booted into the recovery and tried to install the superuser zip file I keep getting this message: "E:cant copy META-INF/google/android/update-binary". I get this message when I try to flash a Rom: "E:Can't open /sdcard/update-unamed-1.3.1-full.zip". I've been trying to flash the CM7 nightlies and the "Unamed" Rom. Any help with this will be much appreciated.
Also, I ended up having to install superuser via SuperOneClick
Honestly, I stopped trying after the phone kept confusing me with SD Card, External Card, and Internal Card/External SD Card BS it was giving me.
I just left my phone rooted, lol.
Sometimes, this tends to happen if you rooted your phone with an anti-virus software running on your PC which can hinder the rooting process. (always the case with my HTC Inspire 4G). So turning it off could allow you to re-download Odin, and run the program again to root it again so it can install the proper files.
Once you get it re-rooted, get into CWM, do a backup, and Clear your Cache, Data and reinstall the ROM from your Internal Card or External Card (which ever you used to place the ROM in).
Good luck.
homescrub said:
Honestly, I stopped trying after the phone kept confusing me with SD Card, External Card, and Internal Card/External SD Card BS it was giving me.
I just left my phone rooted, lol.
Sometimes, this tends to happen if you rooted your phone with an anti-virus software running on your PC which can hinder the rooting process. (always the case with my HTC Inspire 4G). So turning it off could allow you to re-download Odin, and run the program again to root it again so it can install the proper files.
Once you get it re-rooted, get into CWM, do a backup, and Clear your Cache, Data and reinstall the ROM from your Internal Card or External Card (which ever you used to place the ROM in).
Good luck.
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CWM and root are not even related....
root is root access to your OS /system and its functions. it has nothing to do with RECOVERY or anything outside of a RUNNING OS. i wish everyone would understand that.
as long as CWM is there, AND WORKING PROPERLY, rooting has nothing to do with it. you can flash a new rom from bone stock OS, as long as you have the CWM kernel.
@OP, you have these files (roms) located on the INTERNAL SD right?
I think that's why @homescrub said:
"and run the program again to root it again so it can install the proper files."
Proper files being cwm. As of yet I don't know of a way to install cwm without root on this phone. I know the captivate previously allowed an update to be flashed using stock recovery to get cwm.
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Are you clearing your cache before trying to flash zip from sd card? I know I got a similar problem when I didn't clear cache.
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gr8hairy1 said:
I think that's why @homescrub said:
"and run the program again to root it again so it can install the proper files."
Proper files being cwm. As of yet I don't know of a way to install cwm without root on this phone. I know the captivate previously allowed an update to be flashed using stock recovery to get cwm.
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how do you flash CWM?
through ODIN
that does NOT require root. you dont flash it via ROM manager....so whats the need for root to add CWM?
and what is this 'proper files' crap? you either have CWM or you dont, its not half-assed
nah its cool. im done here. i will let the misinformation fly. let the noobs run in circles. this website is going to **** so fast these days.
No man ....you should help these guys....just lighten up...and I apologize for coming off like that.....and one place I CAN understand is seeing what's going on in the forums....it is chaos sometimes.....I am just tired of seeing noobs who need help get ripped up.....just as much as I am tired seeing noobs posting +1 and Great Job, in the Dev forums. I just think this is the place to help them get a good understanding so there is not another new thread with this same question.
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AntwanL said:
Are you clearing your cache before trying to flash zip from sd card? I know I got a similar problem when I didn't clear cache.
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Thanks this really helped!! Lol I can't believe I forgot to do something like this lol I Odined back to FULL stock, flashed the zedomax kernal with root, wiped data and cache, flashed the rom now all is well
Come on guys, you are both better than this. Shake hands, help the OP, and lets make xda a better place..
Hey guys, I unlocked the bootloader on my phone and rooted it.now I want to turn S-off and flash a new Rom. My question is, can I just flash a 4.2.2 Rom or do I have to update anything before I do it? Any help would be great!
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Hey guys, I unlocked the bootloader on my phone and rooted it.now I want to turn S-off and flash a new Rom. My question is, can I just flash a 4.2.2 Rom or do I have to update anything before I do it? Any help would be great!
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You can flash a 4.2.2 ROM; however, be aware 4.2.2 uses a different format for SD than 4.1.2 does. The standard practice if coming from 4.1.2 is:
1.Move everything you want to keep, including Titanium backup folder, pics, music, everything...from your SD to a PC.
2. Copy ROM onto your SD storage from PC or download.
3. Boot into recovery and wipe data and cache ONLY.
4. Flash ROM.
5. Boot into new ROM for first time.
6. After it boots up, boot back into recovery.
7. Format SD card (main SD storage only).
8. Boot back into ROM, set it up, and transfer all your personal stuff into the 0 folder on your SD storage.
9. Enjoy!
blackangst said:
You can flash a 4.2.2 ROM; however, be aware 4.2.2 uses a different format for SD than 4.1.2 does. The standard practice if coming from 4.1.2 is:
1.Move everything you want to keep, including Titanium backup folder, pics, music, everything...from your SD to a PC.
2. Copy ROM onto your SD storage from PC or download.
3. Boot into recovery and wipe data and cache ONLY.
4. Flash ROM.
5. Boot into new ROM for first time.
6. After it boots up, boot back into recovery.
7. Format SD card (main SD storage only).
8. Boot back into ROM, set it up, and transfer all your personal stuff into the 0 folder on your SD storage.
9. Enjoy!
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DUDE you are awesome! Do I have to flash another bootloader like with other phones? Sorry I have been out of the loop for a long time!
oshizzle1991 said:
DUDE you are awesome! Do I have to flash another bootloader like with other phones? Sorry I have been out of the loop for a long time!
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Yes you will need to have a 3rd party bootloader. Theres a few guides here and on the Main One forums on how to.
Also, to address something you mentioned in your OP...no need to be s-off.
Would not formatting your 'SD Card' cause any issues? Whenever I try to flash an AOSP 4.2.2 ROM it crashes shortly after booting and the power button no longer wakes the phone, would this be the cause?
silentcovenant said:
Would not formatting your 'SD Card' cause any issues? Whenever I try to flash an AOSP 4.2.2 ROM it crashes shortly after booting and the power button no longer wakes the phone, would this be the cause?
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Yes. You have to follow the directions explicitly. In other words, you have to wipe your sd card the first time.
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blackangst said:
Yes. You have to follow the directions explicitly. In other words, you have to wipe your sd card the first time.
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How would you do that from TWRP? I have format sd card, but that'll wipe all my backups etc.
EDIT: Also, when you flash a ROM, doesn't it automatically wipe all the partitions before it installs? Also, someone mentioned alternative bootloader? Is that necessary, what alternatives are there?
Yeah I flashed a 4.2.2 Rom and of course it went smooth but I lost my data backups oh well live and learn
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wonder how they will fix all this for an official update.
unless they just going to leave us on 4.1.2
silentcovenant said:
How would you do that from TWRP? I have format sd card, but that'll wipe all my backups etc.
EDIT: Also, when you flash a ROM, doesn't it automatically wipe all the partitions before it installs? Also, someone mentioned alternative bootloader? Is that necessary, what alternatives are there?
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Did you read the instructions? Step 1:
1.Move everything you want to keep, including Titanium backup folder, pics, music, everything...from your SD to a PC.
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Flashing a ROM doesnt necessarily automatically wipe partitions, and the ones that do dont touch your personal data. An alternative to TWRP would be clockwork mod recovery.
Jonathan2677 said:
Yeah I flashed a 4.2.2 Rom and of course it went smooth but I lost my data backups oh well live and learn
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Did you read the instructions? Step 1 says to back up ALL your data onto a PC because the file structure is different on 4.2.2 that 4.1.2.
I never deleted my ad contents when I switched to 4.2.2 they just get "moved" just "move" everything back and your good to go .. I would hate to backup 20 gigs worth of music and pics just for a Rom
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xile6 said:
wonder how they will fix all this for an official update.
unless they just going to leave us on 4.1.2
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I expect that the official update will erase the entire phone, but I could be wrong.
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Found this link, which indicates that there may be some emulation of directories. Maybe they will copy the files over:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/report.php?p=42852791
blackangst said:
Did you read the instructions? Step 1:
Flashing a ROM doesnt necessarily automatically wipe partitions, and the ones that do dont touch your personal data. An alternative to TWRP would be clockwork mod recovery.
Did you read the instructions? Step 1 says to back up ALL your data onto a PC because the file structure is different on 4.2.2 that 4.1.2.
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Thanks but this was long before this thread I was just commenting, it was back when it was just possible
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Hey,
1st post here at xda. I have a s3 running 4.12 , stock rom vodafone in ireland.
I installed CWM and rooted phone. Then done a backup with CWM.
I tried to install R5 stock rom from internal sd card, i selected the zip file and the installation started but had an error
i coulnd;t see.
At this stage i panicked a bit. I tried again but wiped internal sdcard in CWM before i started.
Now the phone wont boot to any OS (since tried to install 2 other custom roms from xda, both times screnn went blank after choosing installation options)
Cant recover backup as its no longer on internal sd card.
I can access CWM. Should I start by installing stock rom from samsung site ?
Am I doing the custom rom installation correct by using CWM to install from zip file in sd card ?
I tried to install roms with odin but its looking for tar file ?
thanks for reading,
Phil
You are heading for a hard brick by not understanding what you are doing.
Go and read all the sticky threads in general forum, then carefully follow the guide on how to return to stock.
Once you have your phone working again then install the latest recovery version (I'd suggest philz), backup your efs, then try again.
Read and understand before you hit go.
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Flash custom rom with recovery or odin?
boomboomer said:
You are heading for a hard brick by not understanding what you are doing.
Go and read all the sticky threads in general forum, then carefully follow the guide on how to return to stock.
Once you have your phone working again then install the latest recovery version (I'd suggest philz), backup your efs, then try again.
Read and understand before you hit go.
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thanks. Read the general forum, was helpful. Its a great site, but in fairness there is so much information and some of it is conflicting to me, (maby i'm losing it!)
got the phone booting up again so happy days. will take my time and do backup before trying any custom roms.
After spending days reading how to flash custom roms, i'm still not getting how to 'flash custom rom' , as per the instructions i add zip to sd card then use custom recovery to run zip file ? Other places say to use odin, but every custom rom i've downloaded doesn't contain a tar file ?
Just want to improve battery life with a better rom, phone is 2 years old and battery isn;t the best.
thanks
Do your research before attempting things like this. I'm relatively new in flashing, before I began the first time I made sure I followed and understood every steps before proceeding, go check youtube for tutorial videos if you are really not sure, sometimes it pays being paranoid
philophilo said:
thanks. Read the general forum, was helpful. Its a great site, but in fairness there is so much information and some of it is conflicting to me, (maby i'm losing it!)
got the phone booting up again so happy days. will take my time and do backup before trying any custom roms.
After spending days reading how to flash custom roms, i'm still not getting how to 'flash custom rom' , as per the instructions i add zip to sd card then use custom recovery to run zip file ? Other places say to use odin, but every custom rom i've downloaded doesn't contain a tar file ?
Just want to improve battery life with a better rom, phone is 2 years old and battery isn;t the best.
thanks
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Hi there,
you've got to understand that your first post sounded like yo did not do your research at all, which generally tons of people don't do whining about
their bricked devices afterwards in the forums. If you don't understand what you do - don't do it.
Your original mistake was probably not properly wiping and/or formatting certain partitions (e.g. one forgotten wipe of system or data partition often puts your phone into BL, all depending on what version you come from & go to etc.) before flashing the zip from CWM (which is the way you usually flash custom ROMS, you're right).
Every ROM provides installation instructions which are to be follwed exactly. Never use a file not made for your specific device. Don't do anything before you know how to revert in case of disaster. Don't do anything before you got a full Nandroid & EFS backup both transferred to your PC. And again, understand what you do.
Memory loss after installing ROM
Benko111 said:
Hi there,
you've got to understand that your first post sounded like yo did not do your research at all, which generally tons of people don't do whining about
their bricked devices afterwards in the forums. If you don't understand what you do - don't do it.
Your original mistake was probably not properly wiping and/or formatting certain partitions (e.g. one forgotten wipe of system or data partition often puts your phone into BL, all depending on what version you come from & go to etc.) before flashing the zip from CWM (which is the way you usually flash custom ROMS, you're right).
Every ROM provides installation instructions which are to be follwed exactly. Never use a file not made for your specific device. Don't do anything before you know how to revert in case of disaster. Don't do anything before you got a full Nandroid & EFS backup both transferred to your PC. And again, understand what you do.
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thanks benko.
Installed philz recovery and done backup to ext sdcard (errored out was <1 G free space on card)
Done backup to internal sdcard - had about 7GB free
Copied recovery folder back to PC.
Installed Revolution ROM and afterwards noticed internal memory only 1GB
Am now copying the blob folder to PC.
Is this the case with all of the recoveries to use so much space doing a backup ?
Where do I read up on the 0 folder here, i've searched but there is so much info its a bit confusing.
0 folder
philophilo said:
thanks benko.
Installed philz recovery and done backup to ext sdcard (errored out was <1 G free space on card)
Done backup to internal sdcard - had about 7GB free
Copied recovery folder back to PC.
Installed Revolution ROM and afterwards noticed internal memory only 1GB
Am now copying the blob folder to PC.
Is this the case with all of the recoveries to use so much space doing a backup ?
Where do I read up on the 0 folder here, i've searched but there is so much info its a bit confusing.
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I know the subject has been covered already, just looking for a thread where i can read in simply form about what to do.
I copied blob file to pc , freed up another 4 gb, OS and backups still taking up 12/16GB of internal storage without any user app or data , just not right.