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Apple has won another major victory in its ongoing battle with Samsung.
A Dutch court in The Hague today issued a preliminary injunction against the Samsung Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, and Ace smartphones, following a hearing on the matter earlier this month. The court said that the Android-based devices violate a software patent that iPhone maker Apple holds in the European Union and that Apple claims Samsung violated.
According to FOSS Patents, which first reported on the court decision, the ruling will ban the sale of those devices in a host of EU countries where Apple's patent is valid. However, FOSS Patents says that Apple did not complete the full registration for the patent in many European countries, including Italy, Spain, and Greece, which means Samsung's devices likely won't be banned from those areas.
The preliminary injunction against Samsung's phones is set to go into effect in mid-October. It is separate from an injunction that focuses on Samsung's Galaxy Tab tablets.
Because the patent focuses on software, today's ruling could also extend beyond Samsung to the broader Android ecosystem. "It's a severe blow for Android," writes Mueller. "In all likelihood, the winning patent is infringed by Android itself--maybe not the operating system per se, but by one or more of the applications that ship with Android and without which the usefulness of Android would be impaired."
Neither Apple nor Samsung immediately responded to CNET's request for comment.
The two companies have been embroiled in a bitter contest spanning several continents as both sides allege that the other is violating patents they hold. So far, Apple has been getting the better of Samsung.
Earlier this month, Apple was awarded a preliminary injunction from a German court, banning the sale of Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 across several countries in the European Union. Last week, that ban was lifted in all nations except Germany because the court's jurisdiction did not reach beyond its country's borders, so a ban on the sale of the device could not be imposed elsewhere around the continent.
Apple and Samsung are to meet in court tomorrow to discuss Galaxy Tab sales across Europe. If Apple succeeds, it could once again see Samsung's tablet banned for sale across much of Europe.
In Australia, meanwhile, Apple has already found some notable success. It has come to an agreement with Samsung that will allow it to get a first look at three Galaxy Tab 10.1 models before they're offered for sale in the country. The option that Apple chooses will then be sold in Australia.
Google's Android isn't only coming under attack from Apple. The operating system is also being targeted by Oracle, which is taking aim at Google over alleged violations in Android, while Microsoft has targeted several Android vendors, including Barnes & Noble.
Google earlier this month tried to bolster its mobile-patent portfolio, announg the planned acquisition of Motorola Mobility for $12.5 billion. If the deal is approved, Google would likely have the patent backing it needs to fire off its own legal salvos.
"Google's acquisition of Motorola shifts the balance of power in the handset-patent conflict between Google and its operating system competitors," NPD executive director of industry analysis, Ross Rubin, said in a statement earlier this week.
The search giant has been especially outspoken about its concerns over the patent litigation. Writing in a recent blog post, Google's chief legal officer, David Drummond, chastised Apple, among other companies, that he believes are using "bogus patents" to stifle innovation in the mobile space.
"But Android's success has yielded something else: a hostile, organized campaign against Android by Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, and other companies, waged through bogus patents," Drummond wrote in the post. "Patents were meant to encourage innovation, but lately they are being used as a weapon to stop it."
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thats not good
Ace is excellent example design too similar to iphone4.
on samfirmware also got this news
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/entries/show/8211353-breaking-news-apple-wins-samsung-lost-
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Problem is just the photo browser APK. Samsung will remove this.
well, things like this hugely make me believe that apple is a well established evil company
p/s: sorry apple fans
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Ace is excellent example design too similar to iphone4.
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Hey!
Let it be too similar to IPhone or Motorola or Nokia, still its pretty good phone(especially ACE) and pricing is too very good. I love the phone what can handle well and has LOW pricing(IMO).
CHEERS!
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on samfirmware also got this news
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/entries/show/8211353-breaking-news-apple-wins-samsung-lost-
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Problem is just the photo browser APK. Samsung will remove this.
well, things like this hugely make me believe that apple is a well established evil company
p/s: sorry apple fans
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Hey!
Agree with you!
CHEERS!
Well, the good thing is, that there was no modelcopyright conviction. Just software and samsung has already anounced to fix that by update.
So they will still be sold in europe
Cheers
But what about apple iphone 5 copying android's notification bar.Since android has eaten into apple's market share apple is aggresively pursuing monopoly policy.It has become a patent troll.It is trying everything to make android products more expensive.
It has nevertheless become very clear that the whole use of patents and copyright has got completely out of hand. Originally these legal concepts were quite laudable. After the age of printing and mass production, it was easy for one commercial concern to simply steal someone else's hard work and innovation, and make a lot of money out of it. However, the way these patents and copright are being used now is very different than what these legal concepts were originally designed for. It is all about gigantic corporations enslaving consumers.
Instead of patents and copyright being used to protect intellectual work, they are being used as a means for giant corporations to have a licence to print money, and to dominate consumer markets. Far from protecting innovators and encouraging innovators, it actually rips off the real innovators and hinders innovation. Initially in the world of technology and publishing the original innovation was often quite unique. But the fact is that the products of most modern patent and big copyright holders, are actually very derivative and composed of the work of countless individuals previously, who are neither paid nor acknowledged. Without the work of countless previous generations of intellectual achievment, none of these products would be possible. Even much music, writing, filmmaking is now quite derivative, and not really innovative.
Its great news in a way. It will make the phone a cult item. More people will bye it just to had the phone that upset apple! More popular mean more developers!
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Banned??
Makes me laugh, both Apple & M.S have a hard-on for Samsung/Android.
Apple should be banned & Steve Jobs put in the Hauge for Crimes Against Humanity. The charge "For getting the world to buy mp3". Mp3 is **** quality why would anyone want to go backwards with sound quality.
Crack open an iphone 4 and about 25% of it is SAMSUNG TECH...Of course Sammy was due to supply tech for the iphone 5, but decided to tell Apple to shove it they are keeping their tech for themselves.
Galaxy S II is now the most biggest selling Smart Phone, kicking sand in the face of Apple.
Microsoft was the biggest Smart Phone O.S in North America....not anymore
Who is MS arch rival?,,yes that's right it's Linux the spine of Android.
Can't forget Android is free for mobile phone Dev's/phone makers, the other is'nt.
One last thing, i'm sure Sun Systems released Java into the public domain as i seem to remember them releasing the code(i could be wrong) That must of changed when Oracle bought'em.
I could go on, but i won't
It's good news. There was only one patent that was upheld and samsung is changing the gallery so there will be no issues. It's good news overall.
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I don't like this
Stupid Steve Jobs
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Because of Apple, Samsung has to update our phones officially now. I'm already updating via Kies right now, which was not possible before. So overall the best news we could get imo.
So you are updating via Kies right now Trixxta?
You got a DBT Salescode ?
I was just checking Kies and i still don't get the update.
I only hope that the development of this phone, by the developer doesn't stop. I think that a lot of future developer can't work for this phone. DAMN!
"One last thing, i'm sure Sun Systems released Java into the public domain as i seem to remember them releasing the code(i could be wrong) That must of changed when Oracle bought'em."
Sorry not sure of the quote facility - but replying to the staement above.
When Sun System gave Java to public domain - unless the copyright statement stated it retained copyright - then it transferred to the public domain period. No argument. Oracle can only claim copyright on Java development from it point of ownership - any development between the release to the public domain and Oracles purchase is lost to them.
A classic example of this is Zimmerman PGP (my favourite program of all time) - up until PGP 2.3.0.2 it remains soley in the public domain and anyone is allowed to use it if they are able to get their hands on it - since then it has been owned by many companies most notable are MacAfee and recently Symantec and none of these big company have been able to affect the ownership of earlier incarnations.
So Samsung needs to find someone who had the concept of the Gallery (if that is the offending software) BEFORE Apple and then sue the crap out of them.
I have to agree my SGA is a brilliant piece of hardware and I have been a devoted fan of Android for a couple of years now. My original phone was the Dext from motorola and I bought it the moment it hit UK shops with Orange and never looked back.
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So you are updating via Kies right now Trixxta?
You got a DBT Salescode ?
I was just checking Kies and i still don't get the update.
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You need to downgrade your firmware to the stock firm (Froyo) first. In Germany it's S5830XWKB7. You can download it here.
After doing this you can update your mobile via Kies. Although I'm not sure if there's any difference between the Kies version and the KPN from Samfirmware. At least they had to do something officially.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION:
I don't know why, but it seems to me that people seem to think that they are entitled to get the newest operating systems.
I am not talking about incremental items like 2.3.3 to 2.3.4, 3.1 to 3.2 but major upgrades... Froyo to Gingerbread, Gingerbread to Honeycomb, etc.
If I want to upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7, it will cost me money, and my hardware might not be able to run it. If a Mac user wants to upgrade to Snowleopard, it cost them, too.
I think if we had to pay $49 for a new operating system, we wouldn't be so hard HTC or other manufactures that are slow to release an operating system.
They won't charge because they can't adhere to any established schedule.
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Theoretically that could work and provide an incentive to the vendors. They could lower their initial price to buy a device (since the support cost are baked in), but software is still hard and i think customer acceptance of those upgrade fees would be the problem. As long as the industry leader (Apple) gives free OS updates it would be a hard sell to charge for Android updates. The bigger problem for most handset and tablet makers is that they are in a constant churn cycle trying to bring the next shiny new paperweight to market ahead of the competition. Apple has a fanatical user base and is somewhat insulated from competition. If you look at their hardware against say Samsung, Apple is a generation behind in radio and processor technology.
And each of these new churns of the newest hardware causes a hardware maker to have to redo all the device specific software (there's a lot of it) to run Android.
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They won't charge because they can't adhere to any established schedule.
LG Optimus 3D (T-Mobile/P920)
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Who says they have to have a schedule? MS doesn't have a schedule. Also, didn't MS charge for one of the Windows Mobile updates? Pretty sure I'm remembering that correctly.
Well and the reason a lot of us even use Android is that it's perceived (rightly or wrongly) as being more open and inclusive. Part of that openness has been the eventual Open Source release of each version of the operating system.
I'd pay extra for hardware that ran a 100% Open Source version of Android though, with some freeer alternative to Market, etc.
TidBit said:
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION:
I don't know why, but it seems to me that people seem entitled to get the newest operating systems.
I am not talking about incremental items like 2.3.3 to 2.3.4, 3.1 to 3.2 but major upgrades... Froyo to Gingerbread, Gingerbread to Honeycomb, etc.
If I want to upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7, it will cost me money, and my hardware might not be able to run it. If a Mac user wants to upgrade to Snowleopard, it cost them, too.
I think if we had to pay $49 for a new operating system, we wouldn't be so hard HTC or other manufactures that are slow to release an operating system.
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In the Windows world things are a bit different. You pay Microsoft only for the OS. The biggest issue to get a new Windows version running on an old pc is drivers. If we translate the Windows world to Android we would pay Google for the OS (and upgrades) and HTC (for example) for the hardware (and drivers). In this world, when a new Android version is released, I can asure you that users will start to chase HTC to write new drivers compatible with the new Android version. And they want it for free.
It would be better to standarize all internal components and connections in devices. And android should contain some generic drivers to at least boot the device and use basic functions (screen, sd card, touch).
I wouldn't mind paying something extra for OS upgrades, but I don't like the idea of paying HTC for an OS upgrade while most of the work was done by Google.
Btw, by buying an HTC Android device, you also donate some bucks to the nice guys @ Microsoft.
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As a consumer, unless you enter a contract with a vendor, you are entitled to nothing. However the market forces suppliers to behave in a certain fashion in order to maintain a place in the market. How well a company balances service, vs. cost vs. profit will in the long run determine how well they do in comparison to their competitors. Therefore consumers are in effect entitled to expect some level of support from vendors when they purchase a product.
The problem is , that level of support is undefined, so a vendor has to be careful how they set expectations and consumers have to be realistic in their expectations. It's a hard balance to achieve.
I would love to see the whole concept of mobile devices move to a more PC oriented ecosystem.
Think about it.. Being able to pick and choose which hardware and which OS, and only having to deal with the carrier for service (ala cable providers) would certainly change the way things work. In my opinion for the better.
No more carrier locked phones, no more manufacturer locked OS's. I could go pick up my HTC Phone1 or Samsung Phone9, load up my Android XP and punch in my Verizon credentials and im off.
Crazy concept, i like it. Downsides i could see being increased price in phones. But on the same token, just the fact they are carrier free would drive down the price due to competition.
Would drive down cellular prices too since the only thing they would be competing with would be service area, price and data caps. Similiar to now, but without the contracts tying you in to a phone for 2 years.
Also, side-rant. 2 years for a mobile contract is absurd right now. Mobile tech is exploding, and with major hw improvements within a years time are rolling out, its just not fair.
My buddy just upgraded from his HTC Hero last month. I couldnt imagine still using that relic after having upgraded to an Epic, then an iphone4. Going back to the Hero would be torture.
TidBit said:
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION:
I don't know why, but it seems to me that people seem to think that they are entitled to get the newest operating systems.
I am not talking about incremental items like 2.3.3 to 2.3.4, 3.1 to 3.2 but major upgrades... Froyo to Gingerbread, Gingerbread to Honeycomb, etc.
If I want to upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7, it will cost me money, and my hardware might not be able to run it. If a Mac user wants to upgrade to Snowleopard, it cost them, too.
I think if we had to pay $49 for a new operating system, we wouldn't be so hard HTC or other manufactures that are slow to release an operating system.
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It's funny that you mention this because I remember Apple charging like $5 to upgrade older ipod touches to the newer OS and people were throwing a fit. They eventually gave the software upgrade away for free. I think everyone feels entitled to the honeycomb upgrade since HTC promised that it was going to be available soon. Nobody wants to buy a new tablet every year. Just look at Apple as an example. They could have easily only made IOS 5 only available for the Ipad 2 and alienated the millions of Ipad 1 owners out there. Instead, they offered the upgrade for both devices so people with the older model can still enjoy some of the new features. I think what everyone here is afraid of is that HTC is going to announce a HTC Flyer 2 in a couple months with a dual core processor and honeycomb/ice cream sandwich.
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It's funny that you mention this because I remember Apple charging like $5 to upgrade older ipod touches to the newer OS and people were throwing a fit. They eventually gave the software upgrade away for free. I think everyone feels entitled to the honeycomb upgrade since HTC promised that it was going to be available soon. Nobody wants to buy a new tablet every year. Just look at Apple as an example. They could have easily only made IOS 5 only available for the Ipad 2 and alienated the millions of Ipad 1 owners out there. Instead, they offered the upgrade for both devices so people with the older model can still enjoy some of the new features. I think what everyone here is afraid of is that HTC is going to announce a HTC Flyer 2 in a couple months with a dual core processor and honeycomb/ice cream sandwich.
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I guess you are right. I did buy my HTC Flyer when the price dropped to $299 and I really love it. It is much better than my old Viewsonic G Tablet. I guess if I paid the $499, I would feel a little different.
Google tried the complete unlocked , open source concept essentially with their first Nexus phone, unfortunately it was a flop. The percentage of people that want to tinker with a phone (or tablet) vs. those that just want it to work is really small, otherwise, Apple wouldn't be so successful. I know most if us feel differently because we are passionate about the tech. and customizing.
And one more note. I worked for General Electric doing commercial software development for many years.I understand the business and legal aspect. Consumers are not "entitled" to anything, but..
I also understand that consumers are entitled to feel they are being treated fairly or you will be out of business (unless you have a monopoly , which unfortunately the cell industry behaves like in a lot of instances).
I do have a problem with false or deceptive advertising which this industry engages in fairly routinely.For example HTC announcing that the Flyer would get the honeycomb update and not delivering is deceptive. Verizon's TV ads about speed of network "rule the airways" while not talking about how they throttle your speeds is deceptive. It's not illegal, but it is deceptive and I do think consumers are entitled to the truth at some point.
DigitalMD said:
As a consumer, unless you enter a contract with a vendor, you are entitled to nothing. However the market forces suppliers to behave in a certain fashion in order to maintain a place in the market. How well a company balances service, vs. cost vs. profit will in the long run determine how well they do in comparison to their competitors. Therefore consumers are in effect entitled to expect some level of support from vendors when they purchase a product.
The problem is , that level of support is undefined, so a vendor has to be careful how they set expectations and consumers have to be realistic in their expectations. It's a hard balance to achieve.
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I think there's an implied agreement that any major defects will be fixed unless you state otherwise. Take for example the HTC logging security issue.
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DigitalMD said:
Google tried the complete unlocked , open source concept essentially with their first Nexus phone, unfortunately it was a flop. The percentage of people that want to tinker with a phone (or tablet) vs. those that just want it to work is really small, otherwise, Apple wouldn't be so successful. I know most if us feel differently because we are passionate about the tech. and customizing.
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FWIW, consumers *do* care about crapware. Friends know I'm an Android developer and the first thing they always ask, without a doubt, is how to remove ESPN or Avatar or other crap from their phones. Especially when people move over from the iPhone world, they are inundated by crapware.
I think the biggest selling point of the Nexus phones SHOULD be that they are mostly crapware-free, although I consider Twitter and Facebook superfluous.
ICS will let you disable system apps, which is going to be a huge bonus for users as long as the carriers don't find a way of blocking that feature.
If you believe that whole "implied agreement" thing, go check out what Sprint customers are dealing with now that Sprint yanked their unlimited data plan out from under them.
Eliminating as you call it ,Crapwear is not going to happen in Android period. You seem to have forgotten, Google is a advertising company. That's where they make the overwhelming majority of their income, about $12.5 billion last quarter. Android is a platform for leveraging that market.
The Nexus One phones were actually targeted toward developers and as such were pretty clean and open. The new Nexus Galaxy is a consumer phone.
Google doesn't make a dime from ESPN and Avatar pre-installs. The money they make on Admob is mostly from apps that users opt to download. Maps, which has some sponsored results, isn't crapware by most people's standards.
If Google had no interest in helping people out with clean phones, they wouldn't have put the ICS feature in to disable system apps.
As for implied agreement, see that those customers are angry. It's not like you're going to sue Sprint (although class actions do happen), but if you advertise one thing and do another, people get mad.
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barry99705 said:
Who says they have to have a schedule? MS doesn't have a schedule. Also, didn't MS charge for one of the Windows Mobile updates? Pretty sure I'm remembering that correctly.
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MS most certainly does have a schedule for updating all of their devices to Mango, by the way. And, they are updating every single one built by every single manufacturer. The schedule is available online. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedules.aspx MS didn't charge end users for updates and never has, but the expectation is that all phones built around the same time period will have similar capabilities with regard to updating. With Android it's, "build first, slap the OS on later and see what works." In other words, it's not an OS-based market, it's a device-based market (I can't stand that word "ecosystem" unless it's used to describe biological phenomena, sorry).
What it boils down to is consumer expectation, as brought up by other commenters.
If Google were to charge for updates, they'd have a greater obligation to fulfill the promises made: update schedules, device lifespan, OS compatibility, etc. That would put more pressure on manufacturers to adhere to Google's whims, instead of allowing manufacturers to do whatever they want in terms of price/OS--that was the freedom and flexibility that the Open Handset Alliance was meant to offer manufacturers.
Android is too unwieldy and manufacturers (and Google) are making more money just throwing things out there and hoping that they stick than they would if they solidify anything related to the software on devices--which is what they would have to do if they began to charge for the OS.
They also run the risk of exposure to even more complicated licensing issues. You thought the Oracle debacle is bad, if Google were charging end users directly it would have been far worse for them because of the money they would have made on IP that came from sources that: (1) didn't put it out there to be 'profitable' to any one particular entity, (2) didn't put it out there in the first place (allegedly), etc.
Read this for a good perspective of where Google and the Android update schedules actually sit at the moment. Google tired to get a group of hardware makers to agree to timely updates and virtually nothing came from it. Google has no control.
http://www.tested.com/news/what-googles-android-update-deal-means-for-fragmentation/2310/
Sad but true.
I wish there were a Nexus with a physical keyboard.
I remain optimistic for the Flyer. I don't expect much from HTC, but I believe one of our independent developers will pick the ICS ball up and run with it.
HTC has shown a previous pattern of leaving their customers behind. I hope it is changing, but I don't count on it.
Came across this today, looks very interesting for us, does this mean a fully running version of windows could be run on our primes very soon? (would love to dual boot with windows and android)
Thoughts? sorry if its been brought up before
source - http://m.intomobile.com/2012/03/08/microsoft-challenges-onlive-over-its-windows-7onipad-software/
"OnLive is facing some heat from Microsoft today. The company, which provides an application that allows users of Apple’s iPad and Google Android tablets to run a hosted Windows 7 environment on their tablets, is reportedly utilizing Microsoft’s software without the proper licenses in place.
In a blog post on Microsoft’s Volume Licensing blog, Corporate VP of Licensing Joe Matz outlined terms companies must abide by when they provide Windows virtualization, or virtual machines that run the Windows and Office environment. Mr. Matz’s post stated that Microsoft is actively working with OnLive to bring the company in compliance with Microsoft’s Licensing terms, and likely reassured its partners that the investigation into OnLive is being treated as an issue that Microsoft is taking seriously.
The issue was brought to light via a Gartner analysis dating back to February 29th, which called out the services potential licensing risks. For a small monthly fee per user, OnLive gave users access to a virtual Windows desktop running Microsoft Office and Internet Explorer 9. Per the virtualization licensing policy, providing access in this way requires end users (Onlive’s customers) to have valid license keys for these products.
As a result of the Gartner report (or, more likely, pressure from other partners/licensees), Microsoft decided to go public with news of the investigation into OnLive, and to find a way to bring OnLive into compliance. Over coming weeks, we expect OnLive will announce a licensing deal with Microsoft that will allow users of its service to continue using the OnLive Desktop service, though the move could raise prices above the current $4.99 per user fee schedule.
Here’s hoping OnLive and Micrsoft are able to come to terms fairly quickly, as the OnLive Desktop service is a potentially powerful tool for iPad and Android tablet users."
OnLive Desktop is already available. It's in the Marke... er, on Play.
Now, we'll see if OnLive was playing monkey business with Windows and Office licensing. If so, the service could disappear pretty quickly.
All I see is a price rise
It's a pretty decent service. It nicely addresses the nagging problem that all Android Office-like apps are totally lame, and mostly unusable (I've purchased and tested them all).
Anything much more than $4.99 per month would be a deal-killer for me, though, since all you get is a subset of Office plus a browser. Not enough to be shelling out, say, even low three figures per year.
Look for Microsoft to once again screw up a good and innovative idea. OnLive doesn't threaten to significantly cannibalize Office sales, because it's a limited solution to a limited problem, not an alternative to actually owning Office on your Windows or Mac machine. Consequently, if MS could shake just a dollar per user per month out of OnLive it would be, for all intents and purposes, free money for them. But no. They'll get piggish and force the service's price up to a level which is unsupportable, thus driving OnLive out of business.
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Look for Microsoft to once again screw up a good and innovative idea. OnLive doesn't threaten to significantly cannibalize Office sales, because it's a limited solution to a limited problem, not an alternative to actually owning Office on your Windows or Mac machine. Consequently, if MS could shake just a dollar per user per month out of OnLive it would be, for all intents and purposes, free money for them. But no. They'll get piggish and force the service's price up to a level which is unsupportable, thus driving OnLive out of business.
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I think Microsoft has every right to be upset about this. Nobody has a right to use Office without paying for it, whether or not any given user would otherwise purchase the product. And if Microsoft doesn't defend their licensing, it opens them up for numerous problems.
Seriously, why should OnLive be able to make a business out of essentially stealing other companies' products? If they can't figure out a way to do it profitably and legally, then that's their problem, not Microsoft's.
so i just downloaded it to see what its like and found that its the touch version of windows. it got me thinking is there anyway to make a desktop version of windows the touch version so when we connect with splashtop it works like its meant to be on a tablet?
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so i just downloaded it to see what its like and found that its the touch version of windows. it got me thinking is there anyway to make a desktop version of windows the touch version so when we connect with splashtop it works like its meant to be on a tablet?
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I believe there is a Tablet Interface button or control panel somewhere in Windows 7. I just can't recall where I saw it, but it was in the past week on my system at home.
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OnLive Desktop is already available. It's in the Marke... er, on Play.
Now, we'll see if OnLive was playing monkey business with Windows and Office licensing. If so, the service could disappear pretty quickly.
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Not in Germany, no, it is not.
I was wondering if there was anyway of someone porting bbm to s2 as my wife likes bbm but doesn't want a blackberry cos there crap.
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There will no BBM for Android ever. This has been discussed numerous time in xda.
Use WhatsApp. It's free forever even though they say it's a "trial". Actually it's a trial that never expires and extending itself when it's nearly expired.
While many industry watchers have suggested that Research in Motion give up its BlackBerry OS and adopt Android instead, RIM CEO Thorsten Heins (above) divulged exactly why the company avoided that route in a recent interview with the Telegraph.
And while RIM’s future seems especially bleak, after delaying its BlackBerry 10 release until 2013, Heins is still holding out hope that BlackBerry Messenger will be an enticing feature for its future devices.
“We took the conscious decision not to go Android,” Heins said. “If you look at other suppliers’ ability to differentiate, there’s very little wiggle room. We looked at it seriously – but if you understand what the promise of BlackBerry is to its user base it’s all about getting stuff done. Games, media, we have to be good at it but we have to support those guys who are ahead of the game. Very little time to consume and enjoy content – if you stay true to that purpose you have to build on that basis. And if we want to serve that segment we can’t do it on a me-too approach.”
Heins is basically reiterating his earlier position on Android, though now it sounds like RIM was closer to adopting Google’s OS than previously thought. I can’t blame the guy for avoiding the Android pile-on though. Looking at HTC’s disappointing earnings report today, it’s clear that there’s really only room for one Android manufacturer at the top — and RIM won’t be unseating Samsung anytime soon.
Personally, I still think RIM has a better shot at repositioning itself as the premiere Windows 8 enterprise partner. Sure, Nokia is struggling with its Windows Phone partnership, but that doesn’t mean similar deals will fail (especially if RIM focuses on a single lucrative market). And it’s certainly better than waiting for BlackBerry 10 to debut next year.
On the topic of BlackBerry Messenger, Heins reiterated that he doesn’t want to bring the service to other platforms. “That’s what attracts people to BlackBerry,” he said. “This is our BlackBerry experience we can deliver – there’s no other system out there where you can read, write, check if you’ve read my message. We want to make it as differentiated as possible.”
Apparently, Mr. Heins hasn’t heard of iMessage, Kik Messenger, or the multitude of other modern messaging services that boast more features than BlackBerry Messenger.
In the same interview, the CEO noted that RIM may have to seek outside help when building BlackBerry 10 devices to keep up with the iPhone and Android. Though I can’t imagine who’d be crazy enough to pay for the privilege to build a BlackBerry 10 phone.
KcLKcL said:
There will no BBM for Android ever. This has been discussed numerous time in xda.
Use WhatsApp. It's free forever even though they say it's a "trial". Actually it's a trial that never expires and extending itself when it's nearly expired.
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Yup, WhatsApp is like the WinRAR of Android.
It trumps BBM anyway - which i doubt will ever be on Android as it trumps RIMs only monopoly on Android.
mufcmsy2012 said:
I was wondering if there was anyway of someone porting bbm to s2 as my wife likes bbm but doesn't want a blackberry cos there crap.
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I use gTalk and whatsapp, and I have about 500 contacts on both
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I know this is a little off topic,. but thought it should be seen. Here is the article that i copied and pasted with the URL below to the story, thanks.
There has been lots of action in the mobile industry this week.
First, Samsung is launching a much-anticipated new smartphone in New York this evening--a phone that many observers think will vault it ahead of Apple (AAPL) and the rest of the smartphone industry.
The existing version of this phone, the Galaxy S3, has already put Samsung on a par with Apple, with many phone buyers preferring the Galaxy's large screen to the smaller one on Apple's iPhone 5.
Samsung's new phone, the Galaxy S4, will be even bigger, and it is also expected to have several other new features that may make the iPhone look old and boring in comparison.
Related: Everything You Need to Know About The Samsung Galaxy 4S
Samsung, the Korean TV giant, has come out of nowhere over the last few years to become the world's largest smartphone seller. This rise has surprised both Wall Street and Apple. Apple's stock has tanked. And with Samsung now poised to leap past Apple, Apple executives are suddenly on the defensive.
This week, in a surprising move that has rubbed even Apple fans the wrong way, one of Apple's senior executives, Phil Schiller, gave interviews to The Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg in which he trashed the Android operating system that powers Samsung phones.
"When you take an Android device out of the box, you have to sign up to nine accounts with different vendors to get the experience iOS comes with," Schiller told the WSJ. "They don't work seamlessly together."
He went on to say that "Android is often given as a free replacement for a feature phone and the experience isn't as good as an iPhone."
The points that Schiller made about Android--that it is fragmented into different versions and that it's not as simple to use as Apple's operating system--were reasonable. But coming as they did on Samsung's big launch day, the comments seemed defensive, classless, and even desperate.
Apple's founder and CEO, Steve Jobs, was famous for trashing his competitors' products. But Jobs' picked his spots carefully. His criticisms came on Apple conference calls or at Apple events. He didn't try to steal competitors' thunder on their product launch days.
Also, in the days when Jobs was ridiculing the competition, Apple really was miles ahead of everyone. But it no longer is. So the sudden show of bravado seems even more tone deaf.
The last big development in the smartphone industry this week is that the executive who has built Google's (GOOG) Android operating system from the ground up, Andy Rubin, is being replaced by another Google executive.
Google appears to want to "unify" its two operating systems, Android and a laptop-based operating system called Chrome. This move makes strategic sense: In a world in which "mobile" is now a continuum between laptops and phones (with tablets in between), it's silly to maintain two separate operating systems. And it looks as though, in this unification, Google has chosen between two executives and decided to have the new combined effort led by Chrome boss Sundar Pichai.
In a trend that is reminiscent of the PC industry in the 1980s and 1990s, the Android operating system has become the dominant global mobile operating system over the last several years.
Apple's operating system, meanwhile, iOS, has been reduced to a niche player.
In "platform markets" like these, in which third-party companies build apps and services that run on top of these operating systems, market share is very important.
So if Samsung's new phone is a big hit, and Google's Android continues to gain global market share, Apple's challenges are only going to increase.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...ve-samsung-launches-huge-phone-145732269.html
This is not development. Smfh..... To the article. Didn't mean this to sound that mean. Just a little mean
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This is probably in the wrong section and will probably be moved. but i call bull**** on this! Samsung smokes apple out of the water, and im just talking about the Note 2.. And i came from an iPhone just last year!
I love the iPhone and I love android. Both for different reasons. The iPhone always "just works". Which is fantastic and boring at the same time. Android works great or needs help working great which is all the fun we do
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hopesrequiem said:
I love the iPhone and I love android. Both for different reasons. The iPhone always "just works". Which is fantastic and boring at the same time. Android works great or needs help working great which is all the fun we do
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Well this is my first android phone where it "just works".. on top of the freedom that comes along with it, by far, the best phone on the market. It's already awesome!
Wrong section . People fail to realize that Android statistics include the cheaper, lower end phones. Samsung caters to those who want the high end devices as well as to those who seek a low-cost for, while apple does NOT.
So they are comparing their ONLY phone which is their HIGH end to a variety of androids from the GN2 to some android phone you can pick up for pennies on the dollar. Those who I have spoken to that talked bad about androids were talking about phones I've never even heard of. What they should do is compare the satisfactory ratings for specific phones and see which one comes on top...oh wait...already done that and saw the results
So many editors are so quick to jump the gun and publish an article with HORRIBLE sources and populations in which the statistics were gathered from.
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So if this is off topic why would you for any reason think it goes in development? I mean you've been around since 2010..... come on man! Reported.
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Thread has been moved, and unfortunately I am going to have to close it also. All talk of "iPhone vs. Android" or "Apple said this" tends to get ugly fast. Trust me I despise Apple just as much as most of us do, but this isn't the place for it.