Came across this today, looks very interesting for us, does this mean a fully running version of windows could be run on our primes very soon? (would love to dual boot with windows and android)
Thoughts? sorry if its been brought up before
source - http://m.intomobile.com/2012/03/08/microsoft-challenges-onlive-over-its-windows-7onipad-software/
"OnLive is facing some heat from Microsoft today. The company, which provides an application that allows users of Apple’s iPad and Google Android tablets to run a hosted Windows 7 environment on their tablets, is reportedly utilizing Microsoft’s software without the proper licenses in place.
In a blog post on Microsoft’s Volume Licensing blog, Corporate VP of Licensing Joe Matz outlined terms companies must abide by when they provide Windows virtualization, or virtual machines that run the Windows and Office environment. Mr. Matz’s post stated that Microsoft is actively working with OnLive to bring the company in compliance with Microsoft’s Licensing terms, and likely reassured its partners that the investigation into OnLive is being treated as an issue that Microsoft is taking seriously.
The issue was brought to light via a Gartner analysis dating back to February 29th, which called out the services potential licensing risks. For a small monthly fee per user, OnLive gave users access to a virtual Windows desktop running Microsoft Office and Internet Explorer 9. Per the virtualization licensing policy, providing access in this way requires end users (Onlive’s customers) to have valid license keys for these products.
As a result of the Gartner report (or, more likely, pressure from other partners/licensees), Microsoft decided to go public with news of the investigation into OnLive, and to find a way to bring OnLive into compliance. Over coming weeks, we expect OnLive will announce a licensing deal with Microsoft that will allow users of its service to continue using the OnLive Desktop service, though the move could raise prices above the current $4.99 per user fee schedule.
Here’s hoping OnLive and Micrsoft are able to come to terms fairly quickly, as the OnLive Desktop service is a potentially powerful tool for iPad and Android tablet users."
OnLive Desktop is already available. It's in the Marke... er, on Play.
Now, we'll see if OnLive was playing monkey business with Windows and Office licensing. If so, the service could disappear pretty quickly.
All I see is a price rise
It's a pretty decent service. It nicely addresses the nagging problem that all Android Office-like apps are totally lame, and mostly unusable (I've purchased and tested them all).
Anything much more than $4.99 per month would be a deal-killer for me, though, since all you get is a subset of Office plus a browser. Not enough to be shelling out, say, even low three figures per year.
Look for Microsoft to once again screw up a good and innovative idea. OnLive doesn't threaten to significantly cannibalize Office sales, because it's a limited solution to a limited problem, not an alternative to actually owning Office on your Windows or Mac machine. Consequently, if MS could shake just a dollar per user per month out of OnLive it would be, for all intents and purposes, free money for them. But no. They'll get piggish and force the service's price up to a level which is unsupportable, thus driving OnLive out of business.
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Look for Microsoft to once again screw up a good and innovative idea. OnLive doesn't threaten to significantly cannibalize Office sales, because it's a limited solution to a limited problem, not an alternative to actually owning Office on your Windows or Mac machine. Consequently, if MS could shake just a dollar per user per month out of OnLive it would be, for all intents and purposes, free money for them. But no. They'll get piggish and force the service's price up to a level which is unsupportable, thus driving OnLive out of business.
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I think Microsoft has every right to be upset about this. Nobody has a right to use Office without paying for it, whether or not any given user would otherwise purchase the product. And if Microsoft doesn't defend their licensing, it opens them up for numerous problems.
Seriously, why should OnLive be able to make a business out of essentially stealing other companies' products? If they can't figure out a way to do it profitably and legally, then that's their problem, not Microsoft's.
so i just downloaded it to see what its like and found that its the touch version of windows. it got me thinking is there anyway to make a desktop version of windows the touch version so when we connect with splashtop it works like its meant to be on a tablet?
jellydroid13 said:
so i just downloaded it to see what its like and found that its the touch version of windows. it got me thinking is there anyway to make a desktop version of windows the touch version so when we connect with splashtop it works like its meant to be on a tablet?
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I believe there is a Tablet Interface button or control panel somewhere in Windows 7. I just can't recall where I saw it, but it was in the past week on my system at home.
wynand32 said:
OnLive Desktop is already available. It's in the Marke... er, on Play.
Now, we'll see if OnLive was playing monkey business with Windows and Office licensing. If so, the service could disappear pretty quickly.
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Not in Germany, no, it is not.
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THIS IS JUST MY OPINION:
I don't know why, but it seems to me that people seem to think that they are entitled to get the newest operating systems.
I am not talking about incremental items like 2.3.3 to 2.3.4, 3.1 to 3.2 but major upgrades... Froyo to Gingerbread, Gingerbread to Honeycomb, etc.
If I want to upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7, it will cost me money, and my hardware might not be able to run it. If a Mac user wants to upgrade to Snowleopard, it cost them, too.
I think if we had to pay $49 for a new operating system, we wouldn't be so hard HTC or other manufactures that are slow to release an operating system.
They won't charge because they can't adhere to any established schedule.
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Theoretically that could work and provide an incentive to the vendors. They could lower their initial price to buy a device (since the support cost are baked in), but software is still hard and i think customer acceptance of those upgrade fees would be the problem. As long as the industry leader (Apple) gives free OS updates it would be a hard sell to charge for Android updates. The bigger problem for most handset and tablet makers is that they are in a constant churn cycle trying to bring the next shiny new paperweight to market ahead of the competition. Apple has a fanatical user base and is somewhat insulated from competition. If you look at their hardware against say Samsung, Apple is a generation behind in radio and processor technology.
And each of these new churns of the newest hardware causes a hardware maker to have to redo all the device specific software (there's a lot of it) to run Android.
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They won't charge because they can't adhere to any established schedule.
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Who says they have to have a schedule? MS doesn't have a schedule. Also, didn't MS charge for one of the Windows Mobile updates? Pretty sure I'm remembering that correctly.
Well and the reason a lot of us even use Android is that it's perceived (rightly or wrongly) as being more open and inclusive. Part of that openness has been the eventual Open Source release of each version of the operating system.
I'd pay extra for hardware that ran a 100% Open Source version of Android though, with some freeer alternative to Market, etc.
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THIS IS JUST MY OPINION:
I don't know why, but it seems to me that people seem entitled to get the newest operating systems.
I am not talking about incremental items like 2.3.3 to 2.3.4, 3.1 to 3.2 but major upgrades... Froyo to Gingerbread, Gingerbread to Honeycomb, etc.
If I want to upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7, it will cost me money, and my hardware might not be able to run it. If a Mac user wants to upgrade to Snowleopard, it cost them, too.
I think if we had to pay $49 for a new operating system, we wouldn't be so hard HTC or other manufactures that are slow to release an operating system.
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In the Windows world things are a bit different. You pay Microsoft only for the OS. The biggest issue to get a new Windows version running on an old pc is drivers. If we translate the Windows world to Android we would pay Google for the OS (and upgrades) and HTC (for example) for the hardware (and drivers). In this world, when a new Android version is released, I can asure you that users will start to chase HTC to write new drivers compatible with the new Android version. And they want it for free.
It would be better to standarize all internal components and connections in devices. And android should contain some generic drivers to at least boot the device and use basic functions (screen, sd card, touch).
I wouldn't mind paying something extra for OS upgrades, but I don't like the idea of paying HTC for an OS upgrade while most of the work was done by Google.
Btw, by buying an HTC Android device, you also donate some bucks to the nice guys @ Microsoft.
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As a consumer, unless you enter a contract with a vendor, you are entitled to nothing. However the market forces suppliers to behave in a certain fashion in order to maintain a place in the market. How well a company balances service, vs. cost vs. profit will in the long run determine how well they do in comparison to their competitors. Therefore consumers are in effect entitled to expect some level of support from vendors when they purchase a product.
The problem is , that level of support is undefined, so a vendor has to be careful how they set expectations and consumers have to be realistic in their expectations. It's a hard balance to achieve.
I would love to see the whole concept of mobile devices move to a more PC oriented ecosystem.
Think about it.. Being able to pick and choose which hardware and which OS, and only having to deal with the carrier for service (ala cable providers) would certainly change the way things work. In my opinion for the better.
No more carrier locked phones, no more manufacturer locked OS's. I could go pick up my HTC Phone1 or Samsung Phone9, load up my Android XP and punch in my Verizon credentials and im off.
Crazy concept, i like it. Downsides i could see being increased price in phones. But on the same token, just the fact they are carrier free would drive down the price due to competition.
Would drive down cellular prices too since the only thing they would be competing with would be service area, price and data caps. Similiar to now, but without the contracts tying you in to a phone for 2 years.
Also, side-rant. 2 years for a mobile contract is absurd right now. Mobile tech is exploding, and with major hw improvements within a years time are rolling out, its just not fair.
My buddy just upgraded from his HTC Hero last month. I couldnt imagine still using that relic after having upgraded to an Epic, then an iphone4. Going back to the Hero would be torture.
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THIS IS JUST MY OPINION:
I don't know why, but it seems to me that people seem to think that they are entitled to get the newest operating systems.
I am not talking about incremental items like 2.3.3 to 2.3.4, 3.1 to 3.2 but major upgrades... Froyo to Gingerbread, Gingerbread to Honeycomb, etc.
If I want to upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7, it will cost me money, and my hardware might not be able to run it. If a Mac user wants to upgrade to Snowleopard, it cost them, too.
I think if we had to pay $49 for a new operating system, we wouldn't be so hard HTC or other manufactures that are slow to release an operating system.
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It's funny that you mention this because I remember Apple charging like $5 to upgrade older ipod touches to the newer OS and people were throwing a fit. They eventually gave the software upgrade away for free. I think everyone feels entitled to the honeycomb upgrade since HTC promised that it was going to be available soon. Nobody wants to buy a new tablet every year. Just look at Apple as an example. They could have easily only made IOS 5 only available for the Ipad 2 and alienated the millions of Ipad 1 owners out there. Instead, they offered the upgrade for both devices so people with the older model can still enjoy some of the new features. I think what everyone here is afraid of is that HTC is going to announce a HTC Flyer 2 in a couple months with a dual core processor and honeycomb/ice cream sandwich.
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It's funny that you mention this because I remember Apple charging like $5 to upgrade older ipod touches to the newer OS and people were throwing a fit. They eventually gave the software upgrade away for free. I think everyone feels entitled to the honeycomb upgrade since HTC promised that it was going to be available soon. Nobody wants to buy a new tablet every year. Just look at Apple as an example. They could have easily only made IOS 5 only available for the Ipad 2 and alienated the millions of Ipad 1 owners out there. Instead, they offered the upgrade for both devices so people with the older model can still enjoy some of the new features. I think what everyone here is afraid of is that HTC is going to announce a HTC Flyer 2 in a couple months with a dual core processor and honeycomb/ice cream sandwich.
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I guess you are right. I did buy my HTC Flyer when the price dropped to $299 and I really love it. It is much better than my old Viewsonic G Tablet. I guess if I paid the $499, I would feel a little different.
Google tried the complete unlocked , open source concept essentially with their first Nexus phone, unfortunately it was a flop. The percentage of people that want to tinker with a phone (or tablet) vs. those that just want it to work is really small, otherwise, Apple wouldn't be so successful. I know most if us feel differently because we are passionate about the tech. and customizing.
And one more note. I worked for General Electric doing commercial software development for many years.I understand the business and legal aspect. Consumers are not "entitled" to anything, but..
I also understand that consumers are entitled to feel they are being treated fairly or you will be out of business (unless you have a monopoly , which unfortunately the cell industry behaves like in a lot of instances).
I do have a problem with false or deceptive advertising which this industry engages in fairly routinely.For example HTC announcing that the Flyer would get the honeycomb update and not delivering is deceptive. Verizon's TV ads about speed of network "rule the airways" while not talking about how they throttle your speeds is deceptive. It's not illegal, but it is deceptive and I do think consumers are entitled to the truth at some point.
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As a consumer, unless you enter a contract with a vendor, you are entitled to nothing. However the market forces suppliers to behave in a certain fashion in order to maintain a place in the market. How well a company balances service, vs. cost vs. profit will in the long run determine how well they do in comparison to their competitors. Therefore consumers are in effect entitled to expect some level of support from vendors when they purchase a product.
The problem is , that level of support is undefined, so a vendor has to be careful how they set expectations and consumers have to be realistic in their expectations. It's a hard balance to achieve.
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I think there's an implied agreement that any major defects will be fixed unless you state otherwise. Take for example the HTC logging security issue.
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Google tried the complete unlocked , open source concept essentially with their first Nexus phone, unfortunately it was a flop. The percentage of people that want to tinker with a phone (or tablet) vs. those that just want it to work is really small, otherwise, Apple wouldn't be so successful. I know most if us feel differently because we are passionate about the tech. and customizing.
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FWIW, consumers *do* care about crapware. Friends know I'm an Android developer and the first thing they always ask, without a doubt, is how to remove ESPN or Avatar or other crap from their phones. Especially when people move over from the iPhone world, they are inundated by crapware.
I think the biggest selling point of the Nexus phones SHOULD be that they are mostly crapware-free, although I consider Twitter and Facebook superfluous.
ICS will let you disable system apps, which is going to be a huge bonus for users as long as the carriers don't find a way of blocking that feature.
If you believe that whole "implied agreement" thing, go check out what Sprint customers are dealing with now that Sprint yanked their unlimited data plan out from under them.
Eliminating as you call it ,Crapwear is not going to happen in Android period. You seem to have forgotten, Google is a advertising company. That's where they make the overwhelming majority of their income, about $12.5 billion last quarter. Android is a platform for leveraging that market.
The Nexus One phones were actually targeted toward developers and as such were pretty clean and open. The new Nexus Galaxy is a consumer phone.
Google doesn't make a dime from ESPN and Avatar pre-installs. The money they make on Admob is mostly from apps that users opt to download. Maps, which has some sponsored results, isn't crapware by most people's standards.
If Google had no interest in helping people out with clean phones, they wouldn't have put the ICS feature in to disable system apps.
As for implied agreement, see that those customers are angry. It's not like you're going to sue Sprint (although class actions do happen), but if you advertise one thing and do another, people get mad.
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Who says they have to have a schedule? MS doesn't have a schedule. Also, didn't MS charge for one of the Windows Mobile updates? Pretty sure I'm remembering that correctly.
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MS most certainly does have a schedule for updating all of their devices to Mango, by the way. And, they are updating every single one built by every single manufacturer. The schedule is available online. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedules.aspx MS didn't charge end users for updates and never has, but the expectation is that all phones built around the same time period will have similar capabilities with regard to updating. With Android it's, "build first, slap the OS on later and see what works." In other words, it's not an OS-based market, it's a device-based market (I can't stand that word "ecosystem" unless it's used to describe biological phenomena, sorry).
What it boils down to is consumer expectation, as brought up by other commenters.
If Google were to charge for updates, they'd have a greater obligation to fulfill the promises made: update schedules, device lifespan, OS compatibility, etc. That would put more pressure on manufacturers to adhere to Google's whims, instead of allowing manufacturers to do whatever they want in terms of price/OS--that was the freedom and flexibility that the Open Handset Alliance was meant to offer manufacturers.
Android is too unwieldy and manufacturers (and Google) are making more money just throwing things out there and hoping that they stick than they would if they solidify anything related to the software on devices--which is what they would have to do if they began to charge for the OS.
They also run the risk of exposure to even more complicated licensing issues. You thought the Oracle debacle is bad, if Google were charging end users directly it would have been far worse for them because of the money they would have made on IP that came from sources that: (1) didn't put it out there to be 'profitable' to any one particular entity, (2) didn't put it out there in the first place (allegedly), etc.
Read this for a good perspective of where Google and the Android update schedules actually sit at the moment. Google tired to get a group of hardware makers to agree to timely updates and virtually nothing came from it. Google has no control.
http://www.tested.com/news/what-googles-android-update-deal-means-for-fragmentation/2310/
Sad but true.
I wish there were a Nexus with a physical keyboard.
I remain optimistic for the Flyer. I don't expect much from HTC, but I believe one of our independent developers will pick the ICS ball up and run with it.
HTC has shown a previous pattern of leaving their customers behind. I hope it is changing, but I don't count on it.
I read an article on Ipadforums that said Microsoft will release Microsoft Office for IPad in Feb. 2012. This is great news that they bringing this to mobile platform but how long do you think it'll be before they give Android some love also? This will kinda be a big deal as this could finally be the word processing capabilities that students and other people have been yearning for on Android. I would hope Microsoft would have the best version of word processing considering it's their format n programs that's most widely used in pc community. Do you think it could be implemented in full capacity or that it might have to be dumbed down some.
Just a f.y.I. In case you haven't heard this news. It's been rumored for a while but now I think it's official.
Is this a full Office suite or is it their answer to Google Docs? I think that is called MS Office 365 or something similar. I'd be curious to know. This is where software is headed in the future anyway so it would make sense if that is what it is.
edit:// I just looked at MS Office 365 and it will already work on our devices including the Prime. It is cloud hosted software though and is $6 a month.
For some reason knowing Microsoft, they will drag their feet for a couple years, and if it ever does drop for android i would imagine it to be a very very very water downed version. (It pretty much depends on Microsoft's relation ship with Google). Now i have no basis for this opinion, other than the last several versions of office for mac. Despite Microsoft having one of the best word processing suites for Windows they always seem to make the mac version seem cumbersome and not as good.
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Is this a full Office suite or is it their answer to Google Docs? I think that is called MS Office 365 or something similar. I'd be curious to know. This is where software is headed in the future anyway so it would make sense if that is what it is.
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I just checked the article again and it doesn't specify if full suite or not. Plus article won't name sources. I think it's against rules to link an article from another forum, so I didn't. I'm curious also as to how much can be expected out of it. Apple has iworks to compensate for non existing Microsoft office before. Bit Android never really had anything like iworks. Only third party apps n such. Which some work great also but hardly any that let's you do everything or at least a suite of apps from same developer to compliment each other.
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For some reason knowing Microsoft, they will drag their feet for a couple years, and if it ever does drop for android i would imagine it to be a very very very water downed version. (It pretty much depends on Microsoft's relation ship with Google). Now i have no basis for this opinion, other than the last several versions of office for mac. Despite Microsoft having one of the best word processing suites for Windows they always seem to make the mac version seem cumbersome and not as good.
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Supposedly Microsoft just updated or is going to update the Mac version. I wouldn't think apple/Microsoft relationship could be better than one with Microsoft n google. Apple has been their arch nemesis for years. Apple has always cried Bill Gates stole their tech and made him the richest man in the world because of it..lol not bill fault they sold him the rights when he knew the true potential of it.
I use office pretty regularly and am actually considering paying 6 bucks a month for the cloud version. $72 bucks a year sounds sort of reasonable to me for an official MS Office product. Worth a trial at least.
For the Transformer series, an awesome word-processing application is essential. I find it hilarious that there is really no good one on Android yet.
Polaris is absolutely awful.
My money is on Google to finally update their Google Docs app to make it half-decent for tablets. But right now, it is a disgrace.
We also have LibreOffice announcing an Android version slated for 2012. Microsoft has slowly been releasing mobile versions of their software so I am sure there will be a Office 365 version out there eventually.
I have used a few Android Office Suites, and my favorite is QuickOffice Pro HD, specifically designed for tablets. Allows for opening, editing and authoring Word, Excel, PowerPoint and PDFs. It also supports "save as" for Office 2010, 2007, and 2003.
It was Amazon Free App of the Day a month ago, and I love it. Best thing is that it hooks to many different cloud document storage sites, like GoogleDocs and Dropbox.
http://www.quickoffice.com/quickoffice_pro_hd_android/ for screen caps. It's as close as you can get to the real MS Office for a tablet, I think.
The phone version (non-HD version) is not that great, IMO. The tablet specific one is pretty darned good.
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For the Transformer series, an awesome word-processing application is essential. I find it hilarious that there is really no good one on Android yet.
Polaris is absolutely awful.
My money is on Google to finally update their Google Docs app to make it half-decent for tablets. But right now, it is a disgrace.
We also have LibreOffice announcing an Android version slated for 2012. Microsoft has slowly been releasing mobile versions of their software so I am sure there will be a Office 365 version out there eventually.
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I'd not say there is no good one. I quite like QuickOffice.
I agree that there is no good office suite for Android as of yet. I prefer QuickOffice mostly because of the cloud integration, but all other features are roughly the same as other apps (I actually like the look of Polaris best, but no dropbox integration makes it worthless to me). I would be thrilled to see a full office suite from Microsoft or anyone else (hoping LibreOffice comes through!). But really, all we need is for Microsoft to open MS Live office to mobile browsers - that would be enough for me, though I would rather have an app like QuickOffice with full cloud integration and full formatting features and spell check(!). It seems silly to me that nothing like that exists. Hell, when I type posts on this forum, I get more formatting options than most, if not all, office apps and it has spell check!
Yeah, quick office HD pro is a good one. I have it on my iPad along with Office2 HD, Docs to Go premium, and Iworks Pages. Also PDF expert n PDF reader. Got several different ones just in case one does something the other doesn't do.
So for Android, as I'm hearing, quick office HD is the way to go. At least until Microsoft releases office. I mainly use these apps to make/edit my resumes in such. Some apps act funny with formatting n such. Reading and filling out pdf'sworks well with PDF expert n PDF reader.
Does Android have those others I mentioned, minus Pages? I think I've seen docs2go. I have quick office on my Atrix4g. Will definitely get the HD version for Prime once I pick it up.
When I consider the numerous areas where Google is in direct competition with MS,l I would be very suprprised if MS offered any products which even remotely benefited the Android platform. Of course, once Windows 8 is released for portable devices, the odds of an Android version of Office, will probably approach zip.
All I know is that the SINGLE biggest thing preventing tablets from being able to serve as an effective replacement for ultra slim laptops is the lack of word processing abilities. If tablets were able to do that, they would be able to do pretty much everything I use my laptop for. Word processing is absolutely KEY for any sort of computer device that is supposed to have practical benefit for your life. As a student, it is essentially the only thing I do on my laptop that is entirely practicality-focused rather than media focused that tablets can't do.
While I'm probably going to be getting the TF Prime, the only thing holding me back is if I really need it. If it was capable of word processing, that question would be absolutely erased from my mind. Anyone in the tablet industry needs to jump on making that happen.
I highly doubt Microsoft will release anything worthwhile on Android.
Personally, I'm holding out for LibreOffice, though I also have a faint hope that Google might actually develop their Gdocs app into a full office suite app, something with the same capabilities of the desktop version at least.
If none of those happen... well, here's hoping for dual-booting Android/Windows 8.
LibreOffice for Android is in the works as I read somewhere. I much prefer LibreOffice to MsOffice. I also don't like much what Android has to offer, because no app saves odt files, which I prefer. Still - fully functional web Google Docs would be enough for me.
"This is a skill-based Contest. The object of this Contest is for You to come into the Microsoft Store and try to beat the Microsoft Windows Phone in a series of five (5) "Smoked by Windows Phone" challenge scenarios selected by Microsoft at its sole discretion including: (1) Pocket-to-Picture-to-Post, (2) Real-Time Information with Live Tiles, (3) Using the People Hub to Stay in Touch with the People You Care About Most, (4) Updating Your Status Across Multiple Social Networks, and (5) Local Scout ("Challenge"). For purposes of this Contest, each entrant who participates in the Challenge with their own personal smartphone will be called an "entry." All eligible entries received will be judged using the criteria described below to determine the winners of the prizes described below."
Microsoft is hosting smartphone challenge in their US stores. When your existing smartphone beat their Windows Phone in above category, you get a $1000 laptop as price. If you lose, you can still trade-in your existing smartphone for one of their new Windows Phone, contract free.
Ok here is my dilemma, I can either use my beat up refurbished Blackberry for the contest and go for the loser "price" (trade for a new Windows phone). OR... I can use my Galaxy Note against their WP for the grand prize, $1000 laptop.
Although my Note is plenty fast against WP in general but my experience tells me that Microsoft must design these challenge in a specific way that favors WP os...
What do you guys think?
Not to mention that their phone will be pre-configured to kick your ass in every single challenge, like pre-cached data...
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Windows 8 in next Nook? Or is MS just adding B&N ebooks to their Windows 8 platform?
If the next nook is win8, I'm glad I got the last good one.
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I would be really surprised if B&N completely abandoned Android immediately. They've put way too much infrastructure into it. Of course, if MS gets involved, that may be the long term plan, money may not be a big object.
B&N history to date has been to release an E-Ink something about now, then a tablet something right before Christmas. If they continue that this year, that means the next tablet is nearing production. I doubt they'll make a change as big as the operating system at this point, so i would expect to see at least one other Android tablet.
If they release an x86 windows 8 tablet for less then $300 then I may upgrade to that as there are a lot more applications for x86 windows compared to the 0 for windows 8 ARM version. Means I could use a bunch of my windows apps on my tablet which would help me out tremendously. I will of course leave the gaming to my pc but I will be able to move some lighter work ot the tablet over the pc.
that means NT will be no longer support? or will be upgraded to win8?
Yeah...I'm done, B&N got my last purchase with the Tablet. Maybe this is just the excuse I needed to go iPad...sell my Nook Tablet. Though I may purchase the Kindle Fire now, strip the DRM off all my purchases and move them over. At least this way I can leverage my Amazon Prime subscription...
I hate MS that much! Why can't they just fade away!? Bastards....
I'm looking forward to what this partnership has to offer. I plan to purchase a Win8 tablet in a year or so. I think they'll have a winner on their hands.
Whats with all the Microsoft hate in here?
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Whats with all the Microsoft hate in here?
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Look at macrumors, similar thinking processes.
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Were not all Mac lovers, but the fact that Microsoft is intruding into android territory is a ****-move.
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I hate to burst everyone's bubbles but you pretty much can't buy an Android product that Microsoft doesn't make money on. They make more money off of Android than their own mobile OS.
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I don't care if Microsoft makes money, they're better than apple. But the thou of them trying to replace an Android tablet with windows just sucks. I don't think 7" windows 8 tablets will work very well. Too small for a work space to be effective.
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I hate to burst everyone's bubbles but you pretty much can't buy an Android product that Microsoft doesn't make money on. They make more money off of Android than their own mobile OS.
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I think Motorola products are free of msofts royalties and will continue to be with Google's acquisition of them.
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I've long since given up my hate of MS. I have a MacBook, an aging PC that I will soon be replacing XP with Ubuntu, a media PC with Win 7, and two Android devices (including the Nook Tablet). Sure, there are plenty of things I dislike about the Windows platform but as a company, Microsoft has long since shed its "Big Bad Wolf" clothes. They are not the untouchable monopoly they once were.
First, to clear some misconceptions, Windows 8 is not exclusive to x86. They will support the ARM architecture as well, which would include the NT. Second, Windows 8 appears to be more a convergence of PC/tablet functionality; a tablet version would give you much the same look and feel as the PC version but, like iOS vs. OS X, the two will not necessarily offer the same capability for running software. You should be under no illusions that you will be productive with your NT as you would a PC. Third, no chance MS will force this on existing Nook Tablet users with root or with a custom ROM. As with other investments, MS was looking for a viable, ready-made hardware platform that was struggling so they could easily work their way into the tablet marketplace.
Potentially cool things about this - more options for OS. You may hate MS but no biggie - just keep Android. You like MS? You may have an opportunity to place Win8 on your Nook. Also, MS will look to have a feature-rich platform - I wouldn't be surprised if they coax B&N into exposing Bluetooth functionality (with the undeniable limitations in range) or expanding peripheral offerings.
Should you expect huge changes with this? No, not any time soon. Should you be worried? If you like B&N, likely no. This could be the move that saves them as they struggle against the likes of Amazon. The Nook Tablet is a fantastic piece of hardware but don't delude yourself into thinking they can take over the Kindle Fire in their current state. B&N has a pitiful app marketplace, rotten support for their hardware, and klunky software. MS could help that, despite what you think of them as a company.
Abandon the Nook if you so choose - you will have no effect on MS. Honestly, though, I'm more disgusted with the culture of Apple than MS at this point (even though I like my Mac and OS X).
Happy arguing!
SilentStormer said:
I don't care if Microsoft makes money, they're better than apple. But the thou of them trying to replace an Android tablet with windows just sucks. I don't think 7" windows 8 tablets will work very well. Too small for a work space to be effective.
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This makes a lot of sense. I don't like Windows 8 tablets/mobile OS. Whoever thought that it looked good during development needs to get their eyes checked.
I agree wholeheartedly with the above post, I have nothing against Microsoft and yeah me too I'm disgusted as hell with apple's aggressive court cases and patent claims. I don't any problem with windows 8 or with them partnering with B&N, I just know that ive tried the windows 8 beta, and I tried using it in the mindset of a tablet and quite honestly I didn't like it all that much. If Microsoft coaxes B&N into Bluetooth support, great! If they coax them into more peripherals, great! I just don't want Microsoft coaxing them into dropping all their current devices because they run android and running away with them to make windows 8 e-reader tablets. Do I think that will happen, probably not but you never know what Microsoft will do to get a foot up in the tablet industry, they're so far behind.
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SilentStormer said:
I agree wholeheartedly with the above post, I have nothing against Microsoft and yeah me too I'm disgusted as hell with apple's aggressive court cases and patent claims. I don't any problem with windows 8 or with them partnering with B&N, I just know that ive tried the windows 8 beta, and I tried using it in the mindset of a tablet and quite honestly I didn't like it all that much. If Microsoft coaxes B&N into Bluetooth support, great! If they coax them into more peripherals, great! I just don't want Microsoft coaxing them into dropping all their current devices because they run android and running away with them to make windows 8 e-reader tablets. Do I think that will happen, probably not but you never know what Microsoft will do to get a foot up in the tablet industry, they're so far behind.
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Windows mobile cannot be compared to the android OS. It will be a shame if their goal is to replace that platform. MS... just stick to hardware R&D- I know they're trying to get touchscreen lag down to 1ms (from 100ms). That would be really sweet.
JRam13 said:
Windows mobile cannot be compared to the android OS.
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Are you referring to windows 8? Because, its kinda supposed to be a direct competitor for android and tbh, with proper app support, it may be able to do what webOS failed to do with the touchpad.
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Having a choice is awesome.If I can install Win8 on ARM devices, or Android, what's not to love about it? MS haters should get a lige or wait until they are out of junior high. Win7 is an exvellent OS, Office is basically untouchable. MS does many things right. Having them on ARM can only mean good things for us.
And if yoi dont like them, nobody will force you to use them, anyway!
SilentStormer said:
Were not all Mac lovers, but the fact that Microsoft is intruding into android territory is a ****-move.
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They are just acting like a buisiness, putting money into emerging markets so they have a stake in future business opportunities. It isn't like they are the Antichrist.
Big news was that Microsoft Office was now available for Android is being made completely free.
That means you can edit documents from your Android phone, and you won’t have to pay Microsoft $10 per month for that privilege. It’s a key change in the company’s strategy under new CEO Satya Nadella, one that sees Microsoft focusing more on becoming a services and software company aimed at ALL users rather than trying to sell Windows and Windows alone.
You can download from Play Store: Microsoft Office Mobile
Wow,that's really convenience if it's true.:fingers-crossed:
Grace1993 said:
Wow,that's really convenience if it's true.:fingers-crossed:
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