http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/01/us-barnesnoble-microsoft-idUSBRE83T0E120120501
Windows 8 in next Nook? Or is MS just adding B&N ebooks to their Windows 8 platform?
If the next nook is win8, I'm glad I got the last good one.
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I would be really surprised if B&N completely abandoned Android immediately. They've put way too much infrastructure into it. Of course, if MS gets involved, that may be the long term plan, money may not be a big object.
B&N history to date has been to release an E-Ink something about now, then a tablet something right before Christmas. If they continue that this year, that means the next tablet is nearing production. I doubt they'll make a change as big as the operating system at this point, so i would expect to see at least one other Android tablet.
If they release an x86 windows 8 tablet for less then $300 then I may upgrade to that as there are a lot more applications for x86 windows compared to the 0 for windows 8 ARM version. Means I could use a bunch of my windows apps on my tablet which would help me out tremendously. I will of course leave the gaming to my pc but I will be able to move some lighter work ot the tablet over the pc.
that means NT will be no longer support? or will be upgraded to win8?
Yeah...I'm done, B&N got my last purchase with the Tablet. Maybe this is just the excuse I needed to go iPad...sell my Nook Tablet. Though I may purchase the Kindle Fire now, strip the DRM off all my purchases and move them over. At least this way I can leverage my Amazon Prime subscription...
I hate MS that much! Why can't they just fade away!? Bastards....
I'm looking forward to what this partnership has to offer. I plan to purchase a Win8 tablet in a year or so. I think they'll have a winner on their hands.
Whats with all the Microsoft hate in here?
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Whats with all the Microsoft hate in here?
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Look at macrumors, similar thinking processes.
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Were not all Mac lovers, but the fact that Microsoft is intruding into android territory is a ****-move.
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I hate to burst everyone's bubbles but you pretty much can't buy an Android product that Microsoft doesn't make money on. They make more money off of Android than their own mobile OS.
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I don't care if Microsoft makes money, they're better than apple. But the thou of them trying to replace an Android tablet with windows just sucks. I don't think 7" windows 8 tablets will work very well. Too small for a work space to be effective.
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I hate to burst everyone's bubbles but you pretty much can't buy an Android product that Microsoft doesn't make money on. They make more money off of Android than their own mobile OS.
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I think Motorola products are free of msofts royalties and will continue to be with Google's acquisition of them.
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I've long since given up my hate of MS. I have a MacBook, an aging PC that I will soon be replacing XP with Ubuntu, a media PC with Win 7, and two Android devices (including the Nook Tablet). Sure, there are plenty of things I dislike about the Windows platform but as a company, Microsoft has long since shed its "Big Bad Wolf" clothes. They are not the untouchable monopoly they once were.
First, to clear some misconceptions, Windows 8 is not exclusive to x86. They will support the ARM architecture as well, which would include the NT. Second, Windows 8 appears to be more a convergence of PC/tablet functionality; a tablet version would give you much the same look and feel as the PC version but, like iOS vs. OS X, the two will not necessarily offer the same capability for running software. You should be under no illusions that you will be productive with your NT as you would a PC. Third, no chance MS will force this on existing Nook Tablet users with root or with a custom ROM. As with other investments, MS was looking for a viable, ready-made hardware platform that was struggling so they could easily work their way into the tablet marketplace.
Potentially cool things about this - more options for OS. You may hate MS but no biggie - just keep Android. You like MS? You may have an opportunity to place Win8 on your Nook. Also, MS will look to have a feature-rich platform - I wouldn't be surprised if they coax B&N into exposing Bluetooth functionality (with the undeniable limitations in range) or expanding peripheral offerings.
Should you expect huge changes with this? No, not any time soon. Should you be worried? If you like B&N, likely no. This could be the move that saves them as they struggle against the likes of Amazon. The Nook Tablet is a fantastic piece of hardware but don't delude yourself into thinking they can take over the Kindle Fire in their current state. B&N has a pitiful app marketplace, rotten support for their hardware, and klunky software. MS could help that, despite what you think of them as a company.
Abandon the Nook if you so choose - you will have no effect on MS. Honestly, though, I'm more disgusted with the culture of Apple than MS at this point (even though I like my Mac and OS X).
Happy arguing!
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I don't care if Microsoft makes money, they're better than apple. But the thou of them trying to replace an Android tablet with windows just sucks. I don't think 7" windows 8 tablets will work very well. Too small for a work space to be effective.
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This makes a lot of sense. I don't like Windows 8 tablets/mobile OS. Whoever thought that it looked good during development needs to get their eyes checked.
I agree wholeheartedly with the above post, I have nothing against Microsoft and yeah me too I'm disgusted as hell with apple's aggressive court cases and patent claims. I don't any problem with windows 8 or with them partnering with B&N, I just know that ive tried the windows 8 beta, and I tried using it in the mindset of a tablet and quite honestly I didn't like it all that much. If Microsoft coaxes B&N into Bluetooth support, great! If they coax them into more peripherals, great! I just don't want Microsoft coaxing them into dropping all their current devices because they run android and running away with them to make windows 8 e-reader tablets. Do I think that will happen, probably not but you never know what Microsoft will do to get a foot up in the tablet industry, they're so far behind.
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I agree wholeheartedly with the above post, I have nothing against Microsoft and yeah me too I'm disgusted as hell with apple's aggressive court cases and patent claims. I don't any problem with windows 8 or with them partnering with B&N, I just know that ive tried the windows 8 beta, and I tried using it in the mindset of a tablet and quite honestly I didn't like it all that much. If Microsoft coaxes B&N into Bluetooth support, great! If they coax them into more peripherals, great! I just don't want Microsoft coaxing them into dropping all their current devices because they run android and running away with them to make windows 8 e-reader tablets. Do I think that will happen, probably not but you never know what Microsoft will do to get a foot up in the tablet industry, they're so far behind.
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Windows mobile cannot be compared to the android OS. It will be a shame if their goal is to replace that platform. MS... just stick to hardware R&D- I know they're trying to get touchscreen lag down to 1ms (from 100ms). That would be really sweet.
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Windows mobile cannot be compared to the android OS.
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Are you referring to windows 8? Because, its kinda supposed to be a direct competitor for android and tbh, with proper app support, it may be able to do what webOS failed to do with the touchpad.
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Having a choice is awesome.If I can install Win8 on ARM devices, or Android, what's not to love about it? MS haters should get a lige or wait until they are out of junior high. Win7 is an exvellent OS, Office is basically untouchable. MS does many things right. Having them on ARM can only mean good things for us.
And if yoi dont like them, nobody will force you to use them, anyway!
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Were not all Mac lovers, but the fact that Microsoft is intruding into android territory is a ****-move.
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They are just acting like a buisiness, putting money into emerging markets so they have a stake in future business opportunities. It isn't like they are the Antichrist.
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http://liliputing.com/2011/01/microsoft-next-gen-windows-will-run-on-arm.html
I saw this on some of the CES report too.
I use Windows 7 and enjoy it greatly. But I don't see it as being a tablet operating system. (I actually did use it with a touch/stylus laptop a while.)
But I use my tablets differently. And I won't be using them to do MS Office Work either (except maybe to read/preview.)
I don't know why Microsoft can't figure out that we use different machines for different purposes.
Rev
P. S. -- I didn't write this well -- but I think most power users will get what I'm talking about. One device won't do all things for all people -- not even those made by the fruity folks!
Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
Wtf would you want Windows on your gTab? You're not going to be running the vast majority of software on it...
I'd bet it's for the arm based netbooks
There is absolutely no vesion of windows that would ever work on a tablet device in the way that Apple Os4 for ipad and upcoming honeycomb are designed to work
Tablets are going to replace 50% of the netbook market (for the people who want something even lighter and do not do office type intensive tasks on their net books) and probably result in 1/3rd of the smart phone users abandoning their smart phones in favor of using a tablet (lower data plan, larger screen, faster processors...portable enough to keep with you tucked away some where when a lap top was too heavy). With wi fi springing up nearly EVERYWHERE, there wont even be a need for a month plan/3g/4g set up for 75% of users.
This is going to be a huge market.
Here is how i see it going.
The Google/tablet market is going to dominate in the same way as the Windows/PC market did through the 90s and 00s for the computer.
Apple with its walled garden approach will lose most of its gains in the tablet market and wind up basically in the same market share position it did when going against MS/PC on the computer front.
MS is going to keep pushing its "frankenstein" tablet approach trying to cram a windows OS that is NOT optimized nor designed from the ground up for tablets until it becomes AT BEST the PS3 of tablets (very powerful..the most expensive, with less support, less market share, and really having largly unused features and applications compared to the android).
To continue that analogy, Droid will wind up beig the "xbox" of tablets, while apple will be come the "wii" of tablets and (MS will become the "ps3" of tablets).
Going back to the PC analogy. Droid will become the microsft of tablets, apple will remain....well apple, while microsoft ends up in the category largely reserved for corporate/industrial/server users.
I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
Jim
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I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
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"Next generation" in Microsoft speak means "larger, more bloated, slightly more functional than last generation" or at least that has been the case with EVERY SINGLE iteration of MS releases since 1993 when i had a win 3.1 pc ( with the possible exception of win 7 which is basically win vista on a diet with less bugs made more user friendly.
Heck the entire REASON for win64 was to increase the amount of Ram windows can use ( my desk top now runs w 8Gigs of ram).
Win CE win moble never came close to whar ipad os4 is or what i believe honeycomb to be. The upcoming win7 tablets look to repeat history.
I am not saying you are wrong about win8, but if you are right, it would represent a fundamental change in the MS paradigm. SOMETHING i dont believe has ever happened since they ripped off apple os after they ripped off xerox.
MS has stated that Windows 8 will be their biggest gamble yet, supposedly with a more apple like experience.
I see no reason why Windows 8 wouldn't work on the G-Tab.
Microsoft demoed it on a 3 year old laptop last month and aside from a few minor bugs, it worked very smooth.
It will also offer multiple interface options such as a Windows 7 phone like interface as well as a standard windows interface so that could also be very handy if they can pull it off properly.
They also promised ARM process or support and with the dual core processor in the G-Tab (mine currently running at 1.5 ghz) I think I would find it quite handy to be able to run some Windows apps while on the road somewhere.
I'm quite confident we will see a port of Windows 8 for the G-Tab, though I hope they're also able to support dual booting so I'm not stuck with just one OS option.
It seems pretty optimistic of Microsoft to think they can pull all of this off but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt just for trying.
Just my two cents.
-Maj
I'm with Maj, but thee thing is will they make a ARM version of thee OS
A link you might find interesting: http://forums.legitreviews.com/about36766.html
More recent news article:http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/09/20/analysis-will-windows-8-support-x86-apps-or-wont-it.aspx
Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
I like Windows 7 on my desktop, I have XP and Ubuntu dual-booting on my laptop, and Gingerbread on my Atrix and Gtab.
MS does need to realize that our different devices are used for different purposes and need to be configured and run differently for that. I do not believe they can make it all happen with one OS. You would need such disparate branches that they would essentially be different OSs.
U might be right. I know someone was saying that windowsce 7 was or might be similar since windows 8 is geared from window mobile phone 7
With only 512Mb it will run like a dog, even ice cream sandwich needs more then 512m to run smooth from what I read. Now that the new Nvidia chip being 7 times faster according to Apple, most tablet will be under power to run the new crops of OS IMO.
Way off base on Windows and it's role in our computing lives, and especially off base on what Microsoft can and cannot do. I have many complaints about Microsoft but they are FAR more advanced in mobile than they ever get credit for.
Apple took an iPod OS and made it into a phone and then a tablet. Windows mobile wasn't nearly as good a product but that was partially an attempt to make the mobile devices capable of running what they expected from Microsoft. Apple can get away with abandoning previous functionality (not so easy for them today with the share on tablets and phones) but Microsoft is expected to have that functionality.
If Microsoft would have come out with a capacitive touch tablet with the limitations of the first iPad they would have been justifiably booed. Not the same for Apple or Google who didn't have that legacy.
Windows on a tablet is a natural and will happen. Will it happen on out gTab? Maybe not but that would be more a function of Viewsonic and their ability to support us out into the future than it does with Microsoft.
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kieso said:
Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
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You'd be a fool.
If you want a laptop or desktop to be a productive tool you need the capability a full blown OS offers. Android and our tablets serve a different purpose.
When my tablet gets closer to the capability of my netbook then we can talk about the future of Android.
(I do love my gTab. It works great!)
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Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
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I also have a BE-300! They are a cool little device and it was cutting edge back in the day. The modding on that device was one of the reasons that I bought a gTab, I remember the fun I had flashing and hacking that device. I just ordered a new minolta np 200 battery yesterday and plan to resurect the old girl when it arrives (soldering iron required)!
As for windows 8 I think it looks like a fisher price OS!
Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
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Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
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As I recall windows 7 also said 1gb was its minimum ram, but I had it running perfectly fine on an old pentium 2 with 512mb. But as I also recall, Win8 requires a version of arm the gtablet doesn't have.
Also posted this to Rootzwiki, want to see some discussion on this, pretty exciting, the Touchpad could turn out to be on the best purchases i've ever made.
http://www.winrumors.com/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpad-devices/
HP is testing Microsoft’s Windows 8 developer preview on its TouchPad devices, according to reports.
HP announced in August that it plans to discontinue its TouchPad and pre phones and halt all further webOS device development. The announcement came less than two months after the TouchPad went on sale and sees HP contemplating licensing webOS to third party vendors. HP’s extermination of its TouchPad was undeniably quick but hardly surprising. The device had struggled to sell and some reports suggest that American retail giant Best Buy took delivery of around 270,000 units and only sold around 25,000 of their stock.
Speculation that HP could offer Windows 8 on its existing TouchPad form factor has emerged after Fox News anchor Clayton Morris suggested on his blog on Friday that HP is busy with proof of concept work testing Windows 8 on TouchPad hardware. Morris’ sources hint that HP could be considering a revival of the devices with Windows 8 in mind. HP is currently building additional devices for a second round of fire sales, the company has yet to confirm when they will be made available. Morris also says that the TouchPad and WebOS workers at HP haven’t been made redudant yet. Morris speculates that HTC, LG, Nikon and Amazon are all interested in purchasing HP’s WebOS software.
HP had grand plans to offer webOS on its PC devices, a scenario directed towards Microsoft independence. HP has seemingly scrapped this plan and appears to be on the brink of spinning off its Personal Systems Group (PSG). The group is responsible for consumer and business PCs and accessories along with digital entertainment devices. A sell off would follow a similar approach to IBM who sold its PC division to China-based Lenovo Group in late 2004. The sale would allow HP to focus on its cloud computing and server businesses. HP ships the largest amount of PCs worldwide so any potential sale of that business will drum up significant attention. HP is also rumored to be preparing a Windows 8 tablet for Q3, 2012, alongside offerings from Dell and other hardware vendors.
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there is already a thread about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229761
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there is already a thread about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229761
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I guess I didn't do my due diligence... I looked around at some of the other post about Windows 8 but they didn't seem to contain any links or references just hopeful thinking on a community driven effort.
It's a mod's problem now...
Nooo there isn't another thread on this... That thread was locked for no reason. Please leave this thread open as this discussion is in the category it belongs in, not under webOS development...
anyway Joe if you find any other news please update your original post, I'm very interested in getting windows 8 on my tp.
I did get a 32gb touchpad in anticipation of windows 8, don't know how big the rom/image? Is going to be
Thanks for posting that information, really interesting.
if this thread doesn't get closed then i'll keep it up to date with any new information.
If the Touchpad does get Windows 8, i'll be in heaven, i have to have Windows to do my work, and current laptops suck, they generate too much heat, take forever to boot and the battery life is a joke.
I do wonder what HP's strategy would be bringing Windows 8 to the Touchpad, unless they are going to start selling them for $500± again, I dont see how it could be profitable for them, with webOS they get to lock you into their market...
My guess is they are using the touchpad hardware because its.readily available. They are probably using it to evaluate and test windows 8. Its pure speculation,but what's probably going on is that there is a person who thinks hp should consider producing such a device. As the touchpad is dead,there are now engineering resources available to explore such projects. They most likely are letting the R&D people keep doing there jobs. If they stopped that,that whole.division they are considing selling would,just like WebOS,become worthless in a very short time. Think of it as HP trying not to repeat the same mistake twice.
It does not mean HP is planning such a device,dozens of such projects are started and abandoned all the time. It also does not mean they are planing on releasing a touchpad version of windows. A device with windows 8 might have similar hardware or perhaps not,but chances are,its just an evaluation. MS probably has most of the drivers they need so its probably an easy thing for them to do with help from Microsoft and presumably qualcom.
HP's perception of good timing is..............bad.
If that's true of course. It goes without saying that if people wanted a Windows 8 tablet, they're gonna go for those new tablets, this one doesn't even have a back camera. There's a stack of reasons why this rumor is simply, false- IMHO.
Now of course if they could get it on there with just a download, I might consider.
But still- Windows 8 won't be here any time soon.
We'll be "lucky" if it comes out by next year. You know what that means....
I for one don't need a camera on a tablet other than the ffc. Have one on my galaxy tab literally used it once. Only reason I see a use for a back cam on these things is maybe for gaming and/or AR type applications.
@pflatlyne&@DreamOWD you both make some good points.
It probably would be retarded for HP to push the Touchpad as a Windows 8 Tablet, they would be wise to introduce some new hardware, a standard USB port and a camera that doesn't look like vomit are probably on the list, but I hoping they continue with their idiocracy(which lead to us getting this tablet for $99 ) and release Windows 8 on the Touchpad.
So the question may very well be, how dumb is HP?
I guess, the possibility of HP officially releasing Windows 8 for Touchpad is more or less equal to tossibility of Apple releasing iOS5 for TP. We could only hope for our devs porting it. However, i'm afraid that 16gb of TP's memory won't be enough even for pagefile.sys.
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I guess, the possibility of HP officially releasing Windows 8 for Touchpad is more or less equal to tossibility of Apple releasing iOS5 for TP. We could only hope for our devs porting it. However, i'm afraid that 16gb of TP's memory won't be enough even for pagefile.sys.
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Or microsoft realizes the market share they would get if they update toichpads to it, and the goodwill of consumers talking positively about microsoft.
That said I doubt they will release it
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Well what is official is HP is going to be making Window 8 tablets, whether or not our humble little Touchpad will be blessed with Windows 8 is still up in the air
http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/27/...ows-8-long-term-decision-webos-coming-months/
Interesting little video of what Win8 might look like on the TouchPad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-a0od9pRU&feature=related
I'm not gonna lie, Once an ARM release for Windows 8 gets released, I will put it on the Prime ASAP. Why?
I have been following the Build of Windows 8 for some time. I must admit, I am whole-heartily impressed at the awesome features that are coming. The developer tools that Microsoft released will also make it easy for developers to port their apps to x86 and ARM. The marketplace will open up a store that half a billion people could potentially look at.
Windows is the behemoth of the computing age and they are charging directly into mobile computing. I choose Windows over Android because I want more than what Android has to offer.
I want good browsers, application support, enterprise support, and a desktop OS with Metro integration.
If you want to see why I am excited for Windows 8, don't listen to me!
Watch the first Keynote and you will be wowed at what's coming:
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/KEY-0001
Also, here is the Build Blog, where Microsoft is actually taking advice on creating Windows 8.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
I hope everyone is as excited as I am for what's coming. Remember this: Even if you hate Windows-everything, you should be excited for it. Windows 8 will force Android and iOS to really push harder in creating a full-fledged mobile OS.
The Prime is the perfect tablet for both Android, and Windows 8.
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I'm not gonna lie, Once an ARM release for Windows 8 gets released, I will put it on the Prime ASAP. Why?
I have been following the Build of Windows 8 for some time. I must admit, I am whole-heartily impressed at the awesome features that are coming. The developer tools that Microsoft released will also make it easy for developers to port their apps to x86 and ARM. The marketplace will open up a store that half a billion people could potentially look at.
Windows is the behemoth of the computing age and they are charging directly into mobile computing. I choose Windows over Android because I want more than what Android has to offer.
I want good browsers, application support, enterprise support, and a desktop OS with Metro integration.
If you want to see why I am excited for Windows 8, don't listen to me!
Watch the first Keynote and you will be wowed at what's coming:
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/KEY-0001
Also, here is the Build Blog, where Microsoft is actually taking advice on creating Windows 8.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
I hope everyone is as excited as I am for what's coming. Remember this: Even if you hate Windows-everything, you should be excited for it. Windows 8 will force Android and iOS to really push harder in creating a full-fledged mobile OS.
The Prime is the perfect tablet for both Android, and Windows 8.
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how much is it going to cost to buy windows 8 for the transformer? if its anything like the current windows, you will have to pay for upgrade and all that.
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how much is it going to cost to buy windows 8 for the transformer? if its anything like the current windows, you will have to pay for upgrade and all that.
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That's a good question. Just like every other Windows release out there, if you are too poor; Piracy is just too easy. But I don't think I will resort to that. Something I have noticed is the lack of mentioning toward different versions of Windows 8. If feels as if there will be the consumer, server edition, and ARM edition(?).
I don't know.
Why don't you just wait and get a Windows tablet, if you want a Windows tablet?
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Why don't you just wait and get a Windows tablet, if you want a Windows tablet?
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Because why wait? Windows 8 works great on the Tegra 3 chip! 1GB of RAM is plenty as Windows 8 uses less memory than Windows 7. Also, I love the Transformer. I'm sure Asus will release the Prime for Windows variant, but I love Android as well.
In my opinion Ms has missed the train and that they did it twice,the first one being when they left the WM unsupported and went to WP7 there by giving up the lead to the emreging OSs with a very big margin,and now another grave mistake will be if x86 apps will not run on the ARM version,which will need a couple of years to develop new ones,well I can imagine the IOS and android with there aliready big advantage where will they be by than!!.
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In my opinion Ms has missed the train and that they did it twice,the first one being when they left the WM unsupported and went to WP7 there by giving up the lead to the emreging OSs with a very big margin,and now another grave mistake will be if x86 apps will not run on the ARM version,which will need a couple of years to develop new ones,well I can imagine the IOS and android with there aliready big advantage where will they be by than!!.
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Microsoft is making a painful transition. They are working hard at porting their full Windows OS onto ARM. I believe they see that ARM architecture will be the future of low-power, high performance computing. They will certainly support Windows 8, but what they will struggle with is convincing all x86 developers supporting the Windows platform to port their applications over to ARM as well. It is not Microsoft's fault that ARM will not run x86 applications; it is a necessity and Microsoft cannot afford to wait much longer.
ive actually been thinking about this. i love android and wouldn't replace it on the prime for the world but would it be possible without breaking some laws? i remember when the hd2 got wp7 there was a few threads in the evo forum saying that since we have the same hardware can we get it to. and apparently it violated "warez" or something so we couldn't. so... if this does come to the prime then it would be sweet but idk if it ever will... (p.s. i could be wrong so if anyone has anything to correct me on then please feel free)
I'm definitely interested in dual booting later.. hopefully win installation will be viable in some way.
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PhxkinMassacre said:
ive actually been thinking about this. i love android and wouldn't replace it on the prime for the world but would it be possible without breaking some laws? i remember when the hd2 got wp7 there was a few threads in the evo forum saying that since we have the same hardware can we get it to. and apparently it violated "warez" or something so we couldn't. so... if this does come to the prime then it would be sweet but idk if it ever will... (p.s. i could be wrong so if anyone has anything to correct me on then please feel free)
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I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it's the same case. WP7 is proprietary to Microsoft, which doesn't distribute it freely like Google does with Android. I also don't think consumers can buy a license for WP7 to put on any device, so if the phone doesn't come with it natively, it would be illegal to put it on a non-WP7 phone.
Windows 8, on the other hand, is purchasable buy consumers, so one could legally buy it and put it on whatever device they chose to.
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I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it's the same case. WP7 is proprietary to Microsoft, which doesn't distribute it freely like Google does with Android. I also don't think consumers can buy a license for WP7 to put on any device, so if the phone doesn't come with it natively, it would be illegal to put it on a non-WP7 phone.
Windows 8, on the other hand, is purchasable buy consumers, so one could legally buy it and put it on whatever device they chose to.
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While i fail to see why you would WANT Windows 8, keep in mind that Microsoft may very well not release a purchasable version of Windows 8 ARM to consumers.
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While i fail to see why you would WANT Windows 8, keep in mind that Microsoft may very well not release a purchasable version of Windows 8 ARM to consumers.
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Yes, that's a very good point. But still, it was a legitimate answer to the question posed. But you're right that we shouldn't assume that Windows 8 will be purchasable.
Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Perhaps. Tegra 3 'Kal-El' is the flagship processor for Windows 8 ARM. I think installing Windows on the Prime will be quite easy as its hardware matches what Microsoft has been demonstrating. I think the hardest thing would be getting the Keyboard Dock functioning.
Tempie007 said:
Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Agree. Unbelievably "heavy developer effort"... add the fact that WinRT on ARM does NOT include the Win8 Desktop stack.
Consider the Microsoft developer effort to:
(1) Port Office and any(all) other applications to WinRT so it can be used on ARM - nothing Win7 nor WP7 will directly port to WinRT except maybe hello world and trivial apps. Without Office on the ARM tablet who cares.
(2) Port WinRT to the Windows Phone replacing WP7.
(3) Perform a COMPLETE UX rewrite of any required applications to Metro touch to run under WinRT on ARM.
(4) Build, support, maintain developer tools for all the above.
(5) A million other things.
Unless Microsoft has infinite resources, I do NOT think they will be competitive with Android nor Apple for years (if ever) in the mobile space. This comment usually causes Microsoft zealots much discomfort and denial.
Without Office-Touch Version on WinRT the WinRT platform will FAIL worse than WP7 is failing now. Office on Windows 7 touch is an abortion, e.g. Samsung XE700t1a with Windows 7. It is a catch-22 for Microsoft to make WinRT Office run on ARM platform because that may not generate the *required* Windows 8 Ultimate Home Premium Standard Business Suite Server license revenues.
So, today, Microsoft has not seriously accomplished anything competitive in the mobile spaces. In the future, there is infinite work to accomplish any logical road map but no road map has been announced. The Windows 8 Desktop and WinRT bits from BUILD (and after) are pre-Alpha stage.
In the meantime, Android merged tablet & phone OS to version 4.0, and Apple is also busy with hundreds of million mobile phone and tablet customers.
Waiting for Microsoft to finish something is a great suggestion, but version 1.0 is a huge risk too. Maybe waiting until version 3 of the Microsoft phone and tablet? LOL
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Perhaps. Tegra 3 'Kal-El' is the flagship processor for Windows 8 ARM. I think installing Windows on the Prime will be quite easy as its hardware matches what Microsoft has been demonstrating. I think the hardest thing would be getting the Keyboard Dock functioning.
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Nope, everything regarding drivers must be written, kernel, sound, video, wifi, 3G if data version...one tegra 3 machine does not mean another loads. They must be done for each machine. Oh, I forgot touchscreen also. You just can't load it..it must be developed for it.
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Nope, everything regarding drivers must be written, kernel, sound, video, wifi, 3G if data version...one tegra 3 machine does not mean another loads. They must be done for each machine. Oh, I forgot touchscreen also. You just can't load it..it must be developed for it.
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Yes. Windows 8 would most likely be an OEM-only OS. HOWEVER, The Eee Pad Transformer series will most likely have Windows 8 variants making this hell of a lot easier.
Not gonna like, the metro UI and thus WP7 can go die in a fire, and I mean a REALLY DEADLY one! The blocky TILE interface, with no respect for the ability to get lost in menu's/programs... really sad... I stopped helping friends/family with their WP7 devices after the second week they got them... thankfully most are on Android / Blackberry now... my hate is for the Metro UI, not necessarily the underlying CORE for Win8 and WP7 (the only hate that surpasses that which I have for the MetroUI is the iPhone OS/Software, because the iPhone 4/4S hardware is pretty premo)
However, to give you a counter balance for my above rant, I am currently running the Windows 8 Developer Preview on my desktop, as my ABSOLUTE HATE for Metro UI, it is indeed disabled, and no, that's NOT all there is to see in the Win8DP!
Besides MetroPOS, I love the rest of what they have done with Win8, AND to that effect I WILL be looking forward to DUAL booting (if possible), BUT only if some of the main programs I use see an ARM port since there will be no x86 emulation or back porting! Else the only thing that would even mildly interest me in Dual Booting is the bragging rights to say I have a desktop/laptop OS on a tablet...
So, to sum it up!:
Love Win8
Love DualBooting
Love Android
Love Transformer Prime
Love thought of Win8/Programs running on tablet device
HATE METROPOS (er i mean UI...)
i was thinking more on the line of having both android and windows 8 on the transformer with a dual boot option and when u boot up u pick ur poison
Further to my previous comment, I have been thinking about this, and I think if the opportunity to Dual-Boot came along, I would go for it.
Purely for a full Microsoft Office suite on the Tablet. Then I could leave my laptop at home and take my tablet only!
I'm really excited about the Prime, but I'm reluctant to buy with Windows 8 closing. I like Android but I want it to be for more than just entertainment, I want to use it for a bit of work as well. I know Windows lets me do this because it's windows. So do you think I should wait for a W8 transformer or stick with ICS? Are there/will there be any good productivity apps coming? Also does anyone know if it will be released in the first or second half of next year? If its the second I might just get the TP and upgrade if W8 is worth it.
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I'm really excited about the Prime, but I'm reluctant to buy with Windows 8 closing. I like Android but I want it to be for more than just entertainment, I want to use it for a bit of work as well. I know Windows lets me do this because it's windows. So do you think I should wait for a W8 transformer or stick with ICS? Are there/will there be any good productivity apps coming? Also does anyone know if it will be released in the first or second half of next year? If its the second I might just get the TP and upgrade if W8 is worth it.
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win8 tablets won't be out before the middle of next year, and the rumor is win8 arm based tablets won't be out until 2013 even.
personally i'm buying the prime now and then i'll evaluate which win8 tablet i want to get (x86 or arm) and buy that when i find one i like.
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I'm really excited about the Prime, but I'm reluctant to buy with Windows 8 closing. I like Android but I want it to be for more than just entertainment, I want to use it for a bit of work as well. I know Windows lets me do this because it's windows. So do you think I should wait for a W8 transformer or stick with ICS? Are there/will there be any good productivity apps coming? Also does anyone know if it will be released in the first or second half of next year? If its the second I might just get the TP and upgrade if W8 is worth it.
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A word of caution. Windows just ain't going to be Windows anymore. Windows 8 on an ARM tablet is not going to run most Windows applications. It'll only run new Windows 8 Metro applications. So you will be buying into a brand new platform with not very many applications to start with (though devs do have a preview platform and are working on apps already).
If you want the full Windows 8 experience, you'll still need a tablet with an x86 processor. x86 tablets are available now, but pretty chunky and heavy. But MSI's Windows tablets with new AMD processors look good for a Windows tablet. Maybe by next Summer/Fall some of those x86 tablets can slim down a bit more and be more consumer friendly.
Unless you really don't want a tablet right now, I'd not wait for Windows 8. Get what you want now.
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A word of caution. Windows just ain't going to be Windows anymore. Windows 8 on an ARM tablet is not going to run most Windows applications. It'll only run new Windows 8 Metro applications. So you will be buying into a brand new platform with not very many applications to start with (though devs do have a preview platform and are working on apps already).
If you want the full Windows 8 experience, you'll still need a tablet with an x86 processor. x86 tablets are available now, but pretty chunky and heavy. But MSI's Windows tablets with new AMD processors look good for a Windows tablet. Maybe by next Summer/Fall some of those x86 tablets can slim down a bit more and be more consumer friendly.
Unless you really don't want a tablet right now, I'd not wait for Windows 8. Get what you want now.
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Ahhh yeah I forgot about that. Thanks for the help, I'll stick with the prime then and see how it turns out.
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I think this is iPad and Transformer Prime killer....tablet with ultra light removable keyboard builded in stk like "smart cover".
http://www.youtube.com/user/surface?feature=results_main
It includes 2x USB ports natively not sure how they squeezed those but Bravo Microsoft. There is Zero use for an iPad at this point and its expensive add-ons, its dead.
Windows RT model: 676 g, 9.3 mm, 10.6" ClearType HD Display, 31.5 W-h, microSD, USB 2.0, Micro HD Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae, 32 GB or 64 GB.
Windows 8 Pro: 903 g, 13.5 mm, 10.6" ClearType Full HD Display, 42 W-h, microSDXC, USB 3.0, Mini DisplayPort Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae, 64 GB or 128 GB.
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Wow amazing commercial, don't know if its a killer but still, fantastic advertising
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I don't know if it will kill the ipad, I hope it will bring serious competition to it tho.
I've been using 8, and I absolutely dig it. I think software wise the pieces are falling into place for windows 8 to be more of a success than people expect. With the tie in with all the content options you will have that MS provides with XBOX. The thing that they are bringing to the table that android hasn't is content.
Let me clarify we do have play but compared to what itunes offers, android lacks. Android tab makers don't seem to see past initial purchase, they seem to just want to sell you another tablet. If there were more content available then android tabs would be continuous streams of revenue.
As far as killing the prime, and as much as I love my Prime I think it kinna "fell on the sword" right after release.
The Microsoft hardware looks brilliant. I have been thoroughly disappointed with Microsoft's mobile offerings to-date. They just never seemed to "get it". I would love it if they finally got it right, but I am skeptical.
The hardware looks amazing. I'm not sold on Windows yet, I just wish there was an Android tablet that had hardware with as much quality and thought put into it as the iPad and seemingly the Surface.
The only reason why i bought prime (first tablet) was to tide over 2012, and wait for win8 tablets to become more affordable.
now that Microsoft is in the game gives me goose bumps...
i will not repeat the mistake i made with prime... will wait for the dust to settle in.
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I look forward to replacing my Prime with the Pro model of the Surface tablet.
Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Nokia?
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That looks pretty cool.. As a few people have said, MS have never really got the mobile bit right.. But we will see!
Cool commercial... Dunno about ipad/prime killer. The magnetic cover looks cool, but I wonder how it will type/sit on your lap for example.
Also, we'll first have to wait for it to actually be available and who knows what kind of other tablets will be out by then.
It's not going to kill anything, maybe apart from MS. (allthough I highly doubt that too).
Unless MS changes their licensing deal, OEMs have to pay too much for win8 making this tablet way too expensive.
Regular customers will not buy it at 400 euro's or more. The even more expensive one, with the ivy bridge chip might hit it big in the corporate section, but I doubt the "big bucks" are made there, in terms of repeating customers and sales of for instance software due too an hugh marketshare.
Maybe in a year or two, when win8 has more marketshare and more people know about the product it might make an impact, but not this specific tablet. (allthough it does look nice). But then again, what do we really know of these tablets? What is the batterylife in real life, what wil be the prices?
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Wow amazing commercial, don't know if its a killer but still, fantastic advertising
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When the Prime was announced, we all said it was a Killer!
The only ones who got killed were the customers and ASUS reputation as quality brand.
Chill out with expectations, when has MS released a product, that was a killer?
Well, They are talking price range on the good one of about $1,000. So it will be going head to head with ultrabooks. So for twice the price a year from now it had best be better!
The last time I saw a keyboard like this was on ZX81.
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Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Let's hope not. I think it was a terrible mistake on Google's part to partner with Asus on the Nexus tablet.
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I honestly think that the Surface (and other Windows 8 tablets) will be an Android Tablet killer. MS will probably never make the inroad they need in the phone market, but they have a golden opportunity in tablets. Just think of the myriad of MS fans that have picked up an Android product (like the TFP) just because it is not an iPad. It could, in turn lead to Windows 8 phone sales increases, though, if the Surface (and other Windows 8 tabs) are a success.
I speak from experience as I have purchased now 5 Android tablets searching for the "one". Let me tell you, I haven't found it (though, I have to say the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is as close as I have gotten thus far).
We also know that MS, like Google, has a road map that is paved with mis-steps (like the Zune - though my Zune 80GB is my favorite MP3) so yes, they still have time to screw this all up!
More and more manufacturers are going to make products like the TFP that actually work - I guess you can say that they will learn from Asus' mistakes.
Exciting tech times we live in! I am not a fanboi of any one OS or manufacturer, so really exciting for me!
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I honestly think that the Surface (and other Windows 8 tablets) will be an Android Tablet killer. MS will probably never make the inroad they need in the phone market, but they have a golden opportunity in tablets.
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The problem is that the boundary between them will blur a lot. It's not clear that tablets by themselves will be a sustainable market. I rather suspect that what will eventually happen is that you'll carry around a core that acts as a phone, but plug it into 'docks' that add things like larger screens, input like keyboards, and so forth. (And, if wireless keeps moving along, maybe not even 'plug in'.)
I will say that I've been a Linux partisan for a while, but I do give MS credit for making solid hardware. There's a reason their mice and keyboards are still popular. From a hardware perspective, this new tablet does look solid and well-thought-out. (Including an actual kickstand? Why isn't that standard on tablets?) I don't have enough experience with Windows 8 to say if the software will really work. The problem is, Microsoft has a history of trouble sealing the deal. (Anyone remember the Zune?)
And I have to say that I'm not as down on the TF201 as some here. My wife surprised me with one (fifteenth anniversary and all), and I've been enjoying it. No, it is not a complete laptop replacement. But - aside from slow and quirky file management - it's been working well for me, and the battery life is delicious.
Maybe a few years down the road I'll buy whatever the 3rd-generation Microsoft tablet is. But for now the advantages aren't enough to make me switch from the TF201.
What I'm expecting:
- Terrible battery life on Pro
- Very high price
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Let's hope not. I think it was a terrible mistake on Google's part to partner with Asus on the Nexus tablet.
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I've been thinking about this as well. I really think that choice may come back to bite Google in the ass.
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according to zdnet, MS is going the Apple route and making it themselves....
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/with-surface-tablet-microsoft-breaks-tradition/12957