Also posted this to Rootzwiki, want to see some discussion on this, pretty exciting, the Touchpad could turn out to be on the best purchases i've ever made.
http://www.winrumors.com/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpad-devices/
HP is testing Microsoft’s Windows 8 developer preview on its TouchPad devices, according to reports.
HP announced in August that it plans to discontinue its TouchPad and pre phones and halt all further webOS device development. The announcement came less than two months after the TouchPad went on sale and sees HP contemplating licensing webOS to third party vendors. HP’s extermination of its TouchPad was undeniably quick but hardly surprising. The device had struggled to sell and some reports suggest that American retail giant Best Buy took delivery of around 270,000 units and only sold around 25,000 of their stock.
Speculation that HP could offer Windows 8 on its existing TouchPad form factor has emerged after Fox News anchor Clayton Morris suggested on his blog on Friday that HP is busy with proof of concept work testing Windows 8 on TouchPad hardware. Morris’ sources hint that HP could be considering a revival of the devices with Windows 8 in mind. HP is currently building additional devices for a second round of fire sales, the company has yet to confirm when they will be made available. Morris also says that the TouchPad and WebOS workers at HP haven’t been made redudant yet. Morris speculates that HTC, LG, Nikon and Amazon are all interested in purchasing HP’s WebOS software.
HP had grand plans to offer webOS on its PC devices, a scenario directed towards Microsoft independence. HP has seemingly scrapped this plan and appears to be on the brink of spinning off its Personal Systems Group (PSG). The group is responsible for consumer and business PCs and accessories along with digital entertainment devices. A sell off would follow a similar approach to IBM who sold its PC division to China-based Lenovo Group in late 2004. The sale would allow HP to focus on its cloud computing and server businesses. HP ships the largest amount of PCs worldwide so any potential sale of that business will drum up significant attention. HP is also rumored to be preparing a Windows 8 tablet for Q3, 2012, alongside offerings from Dell and other hardware vendors.
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there is already a thread about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229761
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there is already a thread about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229761
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I guess I didn't do my due diligence... I looked around at some of the other post about Windows 8 but they didn't seem to contain any links or references just hopeful thinking on a community driven effort.
It's a mod's problem now...
Nooo there isn't another thread on this... That thread was locked for no reason. Please leave this thread open as this discussion is in the category it belongs in, not under webOS development...
anyway Joe if you find any other news please update your original post, I'm very interested in getting windows 8 on my tp.
I did get a 32gb touchpad in anticipation of windows 8, don't know how big the rom/image? Is going to be
Thanks for posting that information, really interesting.
if this thread doesn't get closed then i'll keep it up to date with any new information.
If the Touchpad does get Windows 8, i'll be in heaven, i have to have Windows to do my work, and current laptops suck, they generate too much heat, take forever to boot and the battery life is a joke.
I do wonder what HP's strategy would be bringing Windows 8 to the Touchpad, unless they are going to start selling them for $500± again, I dont see how it could be profitable for them, with webOS they get to lock you into their market...
My guess is they are using the touchpad hardware because its.readily available. They are probably using it to evaluate and test windows 8. Its pure speculation,but what's probably going on is that there is a person who thinks hp should consider producing such a device. As the touchpad is dead,there are now engineering resources available to explore such projects. They most likely are letting the R&D people keep doing there jobs. If they stopped that,that whole.division they are considing selling would,just like WebOS,become worthless in a very short time. Think of it as HP trying not to repeat the same mistake twice.
It does not mean HP is planning such a device,dozens of such projects are started and abandoned all the time. It also does not mean they are planing on releasing a touchpad version of windows. A device with windows 8 might have similar hardware or perhaps not,but chances are,its just an evaluation. MS probably has most of the drivers they need so its probably an easy thing for them to do with help from Microsoft and presumably qualcom.
HP's perception of good timing is..............bad.
If that's true of course. It goes without saying that if people wanted a Windows 8 tablet, they're gonna go for those new tablets, this one doesn't even have a back camera. There's a stack of reasons why this rumor is simply, false- IMHO.
Now of course if they could get it on there with just a download, I might consider.
But still- Windows 8 won't be here any time soon.
We'll be "lucky" if it comes out by next year. You know what that means....
I for one don't need a camera on a tablet other than the ffc. Have one on my galaxy tab literally used it once. Only reason I see a use for a back cam on these things is maybe for gaming and/or AR type applications.
@pflatlyne&@DreamOWD you both make some good points.
It probably would be retarded for HP to push the Touchpad as a Windows 8 Tablet, they would be wise to introduce some new hardware, a standard USB port and a camera that doesn't look like vomit are probably on the list, but I hoping they continue with their idiocracy(which lead to us getting this tablet for $99 ) and release Windows 8 on the Touchpad.
So the question may very well be, how dumb is HP?
I guess, the possibility of HP officially releasing Windows 8 for Touchpad is more or less equal to tossibility of Apple releasing iOS5 for TP. We could only hope for our devs porting it. However, i'm afraid that 16gb of TP's memory won't be enough even for pagefile.sys.
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I guess, the possibility of HP officially releasing Windows 8 for Touchpad is more or less equal to tossibility of Apple releasing iOS5 for TP. We could only hope for our devs porting it. However, i'm afraid that 16gb of TP's memory won't be enough even for pagefile.sys.
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Or microsoft realizes the market share they would get if they update toichpads to it, and the goodwill of consumers talking positively about microsoft.
That said I doubt they will release it
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Well what is official is HP is going to be making Window 8 tablets, whether or not our humble little Touchpad will be blessed with Windows 8 is still up in the air
http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/27/...ows-8-long-term-decision-webos-coming-months/
Interesting little video of what Win8 might look like on the TouchPad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-a0od9pRU&feature=related
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Fixing Facebook is a Facebook issue, not WebOS.
I think the question you really want to ask is what developers/companies that have WebOS apps will be supporting them?
WebOS needs a better launcher period. Limited TABs, no shortcuts to tabs in the App Bar. The cards concept is cool and polished, I just need a lot of shortcuts to get apps launched.
I agree. That's why I'm looking forward to the next major update. I'm anxious to see what they do to refresh the user experience. It would be really compelling, the future of webOS is in the updates.
3.0.5 is treating me nice.
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3.0.5 is treating me nice.
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ihateu
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I'd be willing to bet on 3.05 not being a that huge of update, just like the two updates before it weren't big updates. They were more like mini-updates.
You can sprinkle a little sugar on some cold coffee here and there, but it doesn't make it a Caffè Latte.
I'm talking webOS 3.06, 3.07, 3.08, 3.09... webOS has to be heading somewhere..
I think the browser needs better tab management.
It makes sense to me to have the app cards appear smaller to fit more on screen. As of now, you can only see half of the one on the left, the full middle one, and half of the one of the right. That might make sense on a phone but with a huge screen, I'd like to have full view of several cards without having to swipe.
The built-in calculator is pretty pathetic. It only allows for basic arithmetic. Just seems silly on such a huge screen.
I love how the calendar app looks and functions. But speed/performance can be improved.
TBH, the future is bleak for WebOS. At this moment, there's just no incentive for HP to continue to update the OS and core apps. And there's no incentive for developers to write apps for a dead platform.
Unless one of the following happens, all of us TouchPad users are left high and dry:
- HP does a complete 180 and decides to support WebOS again and to release new WebOS hardware. (Unlikely, but hey, you never know. They did change their minds about abandoning the PC market and they have a new CEO. So there's a slim sliver of hope.)
- HP sells the entire WebOS division to someone else. (Unlikely unless HP is willing to sell it at a substantial loss.)
- HP licenses out WebOS for other manufacturers. (Could happen. But I stuggle to come up with a reason why manufacturers would choose WebOS over Android or WP7.)
Dead platform??? Sorry, but I do not see it that way. Just like other os's, if you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Development in webos is not so very hard if you are willing to learn. The enyo framework makes it much easier than many other platforms. If you ever played with visual basic on windows, you will see many familiar features. Sure, some coding is required, but not as much as you might think.
I am still learning but webos has so many good features, it's hard to let it go. Dead? Not till the fat lady sings and she ain't said nothin yet!
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Dead platform??? Sorry, but I do not see it that way. Just like other os's, if you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Development in webos is not so very hard if you are willing to learn. The enyo framework makes it much easier than many other platforms. If you ever played with visual basic on windows, you will see many familiar features. Sure, some coding is required, but not as much as you might think.
I am still learning but webos has so many good features, it's hard to let it go. Dead? Not till the fat lady sings and she ain't said nothin yet!
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Ok, fine. Perhaps not dead. But definitely abandoned.
I'm no dev, so I take your word for it when you say it's not difficult to code for WebOS. And I salute your efforts. But I maintain that the future of WebOS is bleak. Eventually, all of us Touchpad users will move on. All Pre users will move on. And there won't be another WebOS device for us to buy even if we stayed true and loyal to the platform.
I just wished they would incorporate the hacks that are currently in homebrew. As to the the TP's longevity, as long as you are in XDA, it wont get old until XDA and CM dev decides they want to move on. By then, we will be salivating on a quad core tablet.
I've been thinking, it doesn't matter if webOS is dead or if it's supported... I've been looking into other devices, seeing if I wanted to transfer over, Prime, Fire, X2 and all things considered, still, you just can't do enough.
Many people are just going to keep this TouchPad until the iPad 3 comes out.
Now, here's the thing, about HP, I never bought any of their products. It was only until the TouchPad came out, that I ever owned anything HP. So, I don't really care for the company.
Everyone knows that the only company that makes webOS good is Palm. Only Palm matters.
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Everyone knows that the only company that makes webOS good is Palm. Only Palm matters.
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HP bought Palm in 2010 for $1.2B.
They might have bought Palm, but Palm is still Palm. All we can say that HP did was inadvertently ruin the TouchPad... but Palm is still Palm.
Who from HP created webOS? I mean, it's not like they had anybody from HP working on the TouchPad...
can't wait ti ll i get my device whitelisted.
there are some nice changes coming to 3.0.5
It would be great if WebOS continues to be developed and get future updates. As for my wishlist:
- Restored Touchstone charging functionality -- the 3.0.4 update decreased sensitivity so now my TP doesn't charge on the TS with the cover folded behind.
- Improved browser, tabs & speed. Or, ports of Opera or Dolphin would be great.
- Improved keyboard, with arrow keys and text prediction.
I'm not gonna lie, Once an ARM release for Windows 8 gets released, I will put it on the Prime ASAP. Why?
I have been following the Build of Windows 8 for some time. I must admit, I am whole-heartily impressed at the awesome features that are coming. The developer tools that Microsoft released will also make it easy for developers to port their apps to x86 and ARM. The marketplace will open up a store that half a billion people could potentially look at.
Windows is the behemoth of the computing age and they are charging directly into mobile computing. I choose Windows over Android because I want more than what Android has to offer.
I want good browsers, application support, enterprise support, and a desktop OS with Metro integration.
If you want to see why I am excited for Windows 8, don't listen to me!
Watch the first Keynote and you will be wowed at what's coming:
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/KEY-0001
Also, here is the Build Blog, where Microsoft is actually taking advice on creating Windows 8.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
I hope everyone is as excited as I am for what's coming. Remember this: Even if you hate Windows-everything, you should be excited for it. Windows 8 will force Android and iOS to really push harder in creating a full-fledged mobile OS.
The Prime is the perfect tablet for both Android, and Windows 8.
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I'm not gonna lie, Once an ARM release for Windows 8 gets released, I will put it on the Prime ASAP. Why?
I have been following the Build of Windows 8 for some time. I must admit, I am whole-heartily impressed at the awesome features that are coming. The developer tools that Microsoft released will also make it easy for developers to port their apps to x86 and ARM. The marketplace will open up a store that half a billion people could potentially look at.
Windows is the behemoth of the computing age and they are charging directly into mobile computing. I choose Windows over Android because I want more than what Android has to offer.
I want good browsers, application support, enterprise support, and a desktop OS with Metro integration.
If you want to see why I am excited for Windows 8, don't listen to me!
Watch the first Keynote and you will be wowed at what's coming:
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/KEY-0001
Also, here is the Build Blog, where Microsoft is actually taking advice on creating Windows 8.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
I hope everyone is as excited as I am for what's coming. Remember this: Even if you hate Windows-everything, you should be excited for it. Windows 8 will force Android and iOS to really push harder in creating a full-fledged mobile OS.
The Prime is the perfect tablet for both Android, and Windows 8.
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how much is it going to cost to buy windows 8 for the transformer? if its anything like the current windows, you will have to pay for upgrade and all that.
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how much is it going to cost to buy windows 8 for the transformer? if its anything like the current windows, you will have to pay for upgrade and all that.
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That's a good question. Just like every other Windows release out there, if you are too poor; Piracy is just too easy. But I don't think I will resort to that. Something I have noticed is the lack of mentioning toward different versions of Windows 8. If feels as if there will be the consumer, server edition, and ARM edition(?).
I don't know.
Why don't you just wait and get a Windows tablet, if you want a Windows tablet?
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Why don't you just wait and get a Windows tablet, if you want a Windows tablet?
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Because why wait? Windows 8 works great on the Tegra 3 chip! 1GB of RAM is plenty as Windows 8 uses less memory than Windows 7. Also, I love the Transformer. I'm sure Asus will release the Prime for Windows variant, but I love Android as well.
In my opinion Ms has missed the train and that they did it twice,the first one being when they left the WM unsupported and went to WP7 there by giving up the lead to the emreging OSs with a very big margin,and now another grave mistake will be if x86 apps will not run on the ARM version,which will need a couple of years to develop new ones,well I can imagine the IOS and android with there aliready big advantage where will they be by than!!.
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In my opinion Ms has missed the train and that they did it twice,the first one being when they left the WM unsupported and went to WP7 there by giving up the lead to the emreging OSs with a very big margin,and now another grave mistake will be if x86 apps will not run on the ARM version,which will need a couple of years to develop new ones,well I can imagine the IOS and android with there aliready big advantage where will they be by than!!.
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Microsoft is making a painful transition. They are working hard at porting their full Windows OS onto ARM. I believe they see that ARM architecture will be the future of low-power, high performance computing. They will certainly support Windows 8, but what they will struggle with is convincing all x86 developers supporting the Windows platform to port their applications over to ARM as well. It is not Microsoft's fault that ARM will not run x86 applications; it is a necessity and Microsoft cannot afford to wait much longer.
ive actually been thinking about this. i love android and wouldn't replace it on the prime for the world but would it be possible without breaking some laws? i remember when the hd2 got wp7 there was a few threads in the evo forum saying that since we have the same hardware can we get it to. and apparently it violated "warez" or something so we couldn't. so... if this does come to the prime then it would be sweet but idk if it ever will... (p.s. i could be wrong so if anyone has anything to correct me on then please feel free)
I'm definitely interested in dual booting later.. hopefully win installation will be viable in some way.
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ive actually been thinking about this. i love android and wouldn't replace it on the prime for the world but would it be possible without breaking some laws? i remember when the hd2 got wp7 there was a few threads in the evo forum saying that since we have the same hardware can we get it to. and apparently it violated "warez" or something so we couldn't. so... if this does come to the prime then it would be sweet but idk if it ever will... (p.s. i could be wrong so if anyone has anything to correct me on then please feel free)
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I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it's the same case. WP7 is proprietary to Microsoft, which doesn't distribute it freely like Google does with Android. I also don't think consumers can buy a license for WP7 to put on any device, so if the phone doesn't come with it natively, it would be illegal to put it on a non-WP7 phone.
Windows 8, on the other hand, is purchasable buy consumers, so one could legally buy it and put it on whatever device they chose to.
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I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it's the same case. WP7 is proprietary to Microsoft, which doesn't distribute it freely like Google does with Android. I also don't think consumers can buy a license for WP7 to put on any device, so if the phone doesn't come with it natively, it would be illegal to put it on a non-WP7 phone.
Windows 8, on the other hand, is purchasable buy consumers, so one could legally buy it and put it on whatever device they chose to.
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While i fail to see why you would WANT Windows 8, keep in mind that Microsoft may very well not release a purchasable version of Windows 8 ARM to consumers.
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While i fail to see why you would WANT Windows 8, keep in mind that Microsoft may very well not release a purchasable version of Windows 8 ARM to consumers.
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Yes, that's a very good point. But still, it was a legitimate answer to the question posed. But you're right that we shouldn't assume that Windows 8 will be purchasable.
Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Perhaps. Tegra 3 'Kal-El' is the flagship processor for Windows 8 ARM. I think installing Windows on the Prime will be quite easy as its hardware matches what Microsoft has been demonstrating. I think the hardest thing would be getting the Keyboard Dock functioning.
Tempie007 said:
Good luck on installing win8 on the transformer. My guess is that it wont be possible without heavy developer effort.
Just wait for the official win8 transformer and install android on it (dual boot):way easier i think
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Agree. Unbelievably "heavy developer effort"... add the fact that WinRT on ARM does NOT include the Win8 Desktop stack.
Consider the Microsoft developer effort to:
(1) Port Office and any(all) other applications to WinRT so it can be used on ARM - nothing Win7 nor WP7 will directly port to WinRT except maybe hello world and trivial apps. Without Office on the ARM tablet who cares.
(2) Port WinRT to the Windows Phone replacing WP7.
(3) Perform a COMPLETE UX rewrite of any required applications to Metro touch to run under WinRT on ARM.
(4) Build, support, maintain developer tools for all the above.
(5) A million other things.
Unless Microsoft has infinite resources, I do NOT think they will be competitive with Android nor Apple for years (if ever) in the mobile space. This comment usually causes Microsoft zealots much discomfort and denial.
Without Office-Touch Version on WinRT the WinRT platform will FAIL worse than WP7 is failing now. Office on Windows 7 touch is an abortion, e.g. Samsung XE700t1a with Windows 7. It is a catch-22 for Microsoft to make WinRT Office run on ARM platform because that may not generate the *required* Windows 8 Ultimate Home Premium Standard Business Suite Server license revenues.
So, today, Microsoft has not seriously accomplished anything competitive in the mobile spaces. In the future, there is infinite work to accomplish any logical road map but no road map has been announced. The Windows 8 Desktop and WinRT bits from BUILD (and after) are pre-Alpha stage.
In the meantime, Android merged tablet & phone OS to version 4.0, and Apple is also busy with hundreds of million mobile phone and tablet customers.
Waiting for Microsoft to finish something is a great suggestion, but version 1.0 is a huge risk too. Maybe waiting until version 3 of the Microsoft phone and tablet? LOL
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Perhaps. Tegra 3 'Kal-El' is the flagship processor for Windows 8 ARM. I think installing Windows on the Prime will be quite easy as its hardware matches what Microsoft has been demonstrating. I think the hardest thing would be getting the Keyboard Dock functioning.
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Nope, everything regarding drivers must be written, kernel, sound, video, wifi, 3G if data version...one tegra 3 machine does not mean another loads. They must be done for each machine. Oh, I forgot touchscreen also. You just can't load it..it must be developed for it.
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Nope, everything regarding drivers must be written, kernel, sound, video, wifi, 3G if data version...one tegra 3 machine does not mean another loads. They must be done for each machine. Oh, I forgot touchscreen also. You just can't load it..it must be developed for it.
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Yes. Windows 8 would most likely be an OEM-only OS. HOWEVER, The Eee Pad Transformer series will most likely have Windows 8 variants making this hell of a lot easier.
Not gonna like, the metro UI and thus WP7 can go die in a fire, and I mean a REALLY DEADLY one! The blocky TILE interface, with no respect for the ability to get lost in menu's/programs... really sad... I stopped helping friends/family with their WP7 devices after the second week they got them... thankfully most are on Android / Blackberry now... my hate is for the Metro UI, not necessarily the underlying CORE for Win8 and WP7 (the only hate that surpasses that which I have for the MetroUI is the iPhone OS/Software, because the iPhone 4/4S hardware is pretty premo)
However, to give you a counter balance for my above rant, I am currently running the Windows 8 Developer Preview on my desktop, as my ABSOLUTE HATE for Metro UI, it is indeed disabled, and no, that's NOT all there is to see in the Win8DP!
Besides MetroPOS, I love the rest of what they have done with Win8, AND to that effect I WILL be looking forward to DUAL booting (if possible), BUT only if some of the main programs I use see an ARM port since there will be no x86 emulation or back porting! Else the only thing that would even mildly interest me in Dual Booting is the bragging rights to say I have a desktop/laptop OS on a tablet...
So, to sum it up!:
Love Win8
Love DualBooting
Love Android
Love Transformer Prime
Love thought of Win8/Programs running on tablet device
HATE METROPOS (er i mean UI...)
i was thinking more on the line of having both android and windows 8 on the transformer with a dual boot option and when u boot up u pick ur poison
Further to my previous comment, I have been thinking about this, and I think if the opportunity to Dual-Boot came along, I would go for it.
Purely for a full Microsoft Office suite on the Tablet. Then I could leave my laptop at home and take my tablet only!
Interested in knowing what ASUS is up to for the rest of the year when it comes to the subject of tablets? You’re in luck because at a press event in Taipei today, Samson Hu, the Vice President and General Manager of the Eee Systems Business Unit revealed the company’s tablet roadmap for 2012.
The Transformer Prime will also be getting a 3G version sometime this March and it will pack a more powerful GPS module. At CES, ASUS will be unveiling a 7″ tablet (rumored to be the ASUS Memo) and a 10″ with a high resolution display (could be a completely new tablet or the upgraded Transformer Prime with 3G and better GPS). There are also two more 10″ tablets slated for the second half of 2012.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/01/asus-tablet-roadmap-2012-revealed/
the fact that Asus is basically doubling it android division to like 400 or more employees and Windows 8 division will only have 150 employees doesn't look too good for Windows 8 at the moment. Clearly shows their focus is mainly on Android. Either way once Windows 8 releases, we will be able to load it up on Prime or dual boot. I'd rather be able to do that vs. a single OS device only. We already got Backtrack5(Hacker Linux) running on Prime so outlook looks good.
I feel like this is the bait and switch. They put out the Prime, it sells like hot cakes but disappoints some users. Then they learn from their mistakes at the cost of the consumer and introduce new products to correct the mistakes.
I'm really trying to be positive about this whole thing, but this really makes it difficult. This is where competition really bites the consumer in the ass.
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I feel like this is the bait and switch. They put out the Prime, it sells like hot cakes but disappoints some users. Then they learn from their mistakes at the cost of the consumer and introduce new products to correct the mistakes.
I'm really trying to be positive about this whole thing, but this really makes it difficult. This is where competition really bites the consumer in the ass.
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How is this bait and switch? Would you prefer that the next product they come out with still have the same problems some have complained about? I'm glad they're learning and are willing to put that knowledge to use on the next product. If companies didn't do that, we'd all be driving Model A cars.
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How is this bait and switch? Would you prefer that the next product they come out with still have the same problems some have complained about? I'm glad they're learning and are willing to put that knowledge to use on the next product. If companies didn't do that, we'd all be driving Model A cars.
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+1 on that, even if I realize I'm lucky being Italian, which means that I had the chance to see various reactions and enough time to decide whether going for the Prime or not. Obviously, if Asus will announce the Prime 3G at CES, I'll wait for it since I have an Acer Iconia A500 in the meanwhile.
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I feel like this is the bait and switch. They put out the Prime, it sells like hot cakes but disappoints some users. Then they learn from their mistakes at the cost of the consumer and introduce new products to correct the mistakes.
I'm really trying to be positive about this whole thing, but this really makes it difficult. This is where competition really bites the consumer in the ass.
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It wasn't "bait and switch", unless the ONLY reason you bought a TFP was for the GPS. If you did, that's just sad...
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How is this bait and switch? Would you prefer that the next product they come out with still have the same problems some have complained about? I'm glad they're learning and are willing to put that knowledge to use on the next product. If companies didn't do that, we'd all be driving Model A cars.
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That's true. But what if they released the Model A, and then six months later released an updated Model A with more features? The people who bought the first Model A might feel burned. OK, I'm done being negative. I agree with your point of view, and I believe that progress is good. Sorry, super tired and still struggling with all of the buggers in the General forum that are trying really hard to make people not enjoy this super awesome tablet. I wish there was a "View Positive Posts Only" option in the XDA.
one will be called the transformer light! tf201x and tf201xg (found this info in the honeycomb system files!)
I am thinking they might go with maybe a 10.1 inch, higher than 1080p screen made of superlight plastic along with a super IPS++ display! Kinda like how you had a DS lite! along with 2gb of ram...... Hopefully it will be able to be used with the same dock as the tf201!
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That's true. But what if they released the Model A, and then six months later released an updated Model A with more features? The people who bought the first Model A might feel burned. OK, I'm done being negative. I agree with your point of view, and I believe that progress is good. Sorry, super tired and still struggling with all of the buggers in the General forum that are trying really hard to make people not enjoy this super awesome tablet. I wish there was a "View Positive Posts Only" option in the XDA.
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I get what you're saying.
(I do want to point out though that it was almost the exact scenario between the first Model A and the first Model B...it was about 6 months between their releases back in 1903/1904.)
You just have to bite the bullet on technology purchases in general; find yourself something you want to buy, then realize that just after you unboxed it, it's no longer the top dog anymore.
I think what Adam is trying to say is it sucks doing research and sinking hard earned money into something that 6 months later will be yesterdays news. I know that's the way it goes but still kind of disappointing. I'm looking for that complete product. Gets expensive ebaying the old and sinking several hundred into another new product.
On another front for those RMA'ing the Prime for GPS issues and ASUS saying they will fix, could they be putting in a Beefier GPS like what's in the upcoming ones? Just a thought.
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That is kind of weird, I would expect them to put more people on windows instead of android. I love android for what it is but I feel like windows is just a much more complete platform. I mean its a little early to judge how well windows 8 is going to run on ARM systems, if its anything close to the windows 8 I installed on my eee slate (ULV i5), then I think it's going be incredible.
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Gets expensive ebaying the old and sinking several hundred into another new product.
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The unfortunate cost of surfing the front wave of technology, right?
i plan on waiting for CES then if something cooler with way better specs comes out I will RMA my dock and tablet plus case to amazon (will only lose about 100 bucks...)
But they catch is it needs to be out within a few weeks after CES!
But anyways we all know we will have tegra4 this summer! kael+ so yeah technology is always moving forward! they never stop and try to squeeze all they life out of it like Game consoles have (ps3 and xbox now 5 years old!)
You just gotta get something stick with your purchase and be happy! then in a year to a year and a half sell it and buy something new!
I plan on buying the Galaxy Nexus when it is released on sprint! even though the next nexus will probaly be out 8 months later!
But i badly need the replacement i cant stand my evo 4g that wont charge unless you hold down the cord! its a pain in the but!
Plus i know the galaxy nexus software will be supported for atleast 20 months long enough to get me to my next upgrade!!
So if you want it buy it basically you cant stop better stuff from coming out!
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Those in the U.S., unless offered by a carrier, a 3G Prime will do you absolutely no good. HTC, LG, Sony, Acer, Archos, Samsung, and Motorola all already offer carrier-free 3G tablets, none of which are available in the U.S. You can import a 3G Prime from overseas but it'll cost you $700ish. If you get a carrier version, you'll either pay $700ish or have to commit to a two year data plan to get a subsidized price. So unless Asus does something that they nor any manufacturer have never done before, bring a 3G device to the U.S. without carrier support, the 3G announcement doesn't mean a whole lot here. And the iPad's not a relevant comparison. Apple dictates what the carriers do, not vice versa. Asus isn't Apple.
As for a higher spec 10" tablet that makes all the sense in the world. With the Lenovo and Acer already announced with higher-res displays, more RAM, and faster processors, Asus should offer a more premium tablet priced higher than the Prime to compete. Display resolution (whether it matters or not) is going to be the hot topic in tablets in 2012. Venturing a guess, I'd say the premium tablet won't have a keyboard dock still leaving that as the Prime's biggest singular feature.
In spite of all issues I am still buying prime. Why? I don't care about gps - i didn't intend to use it as gps-turn-by-turn device anyway, I love its performance, I love the fact, that we will get unlock tool, I hope we as xda-community will be able to run Win8 and Ubuntu on it.
In regard to other announced primes:
- 3g version - I have good internet plan on my mobile, even now I am just ad-hoc connected from my eee 1000he, i dont plan to sign any other contract for mobile carriers. They are literary robbing me every month anyway .
- HD version in H2. If it is announced for H2, it will be avalible in the week before Christmas in Q4, not a day sooner. I need tablet earlier.
HD screen? Why would you need it? -For movies? -For Christ sake it's a tablet, go to your living room and watch a move on 47'' LCD! If you are away from home - 720p should suffice.
can't wait for windows 8 tablets I will be first in line to get one I really have a lot of games and programs that will only run on windows that I would love to have on tablet.
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can't wait for windows 8 tablets I will be first in line to get one I really have a lot of games and programs that will only run on windows that I would love to have on tablet.
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Programs that currently run on Windows under x86/x64 technology won't run under the ARM version of Windows unless someone compiles a version specifically for ARM processors. In fact most information out there states that the classic desktop interface won't be available on the ARM devices, only the metro interface.
Its pretty screwey for a company to release improved versions of a tablet (in less than 6 months).
A lot of Primes have major defects (GPS is broken on all primes but GPS isnt the only defect some primes have), i was lucky and finally got one that seems perfect so far but I had to order two, first one was crap (bad wifi,bad bluetooth,slow performance,long bootup time,screen bleed and a lot of FCs in apps).
Even apple gives people at least a year before they drop on a new and improved product. To me it def sounds like bait and switch sales tactics...
Oh well, my prime now is working well (i don't need gps) and i don't see a reason to upgrade for at least a year.
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can't wait for windows 8 tablets I will be first in line to get one I really have a lot of games and programs that will only run on windows that I would love to have on tablet.
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See this is why windows 8 tablet edition is doomed.
The majority of people honestly believe they'll be getting the same windows they'd be getting on a desktop or laptop.
Windows 8 tablet is ARM, not x86. Meaning that you will only be able to run things developed or ported for ARM. You will NOT be able to just run any windows program.
It's yet another OS that needs things written for it specifically trying to play catch up with android and apples app market. I can't see it being useful at all for at least 6 months unless it's incredibly easy to port apps over, and I'm guessing it won't be considering you're looking at different APIs between OSes.
The only leg up this thing has over RIM, HP, and anyone else running something non ios/android is windows has name recognition and large market share in the x86 world. I imagine a lot of folks will be pissed to discover their exes won't just work on a tablet win8 though since I see folks constantly getting this wrong.
One of the things I like about the Prime is the price: $499 is still an industry-leading price for a leading-edge tablet with 32GB storage. I'm guessing that any sort of uber-Prime (HD screen, 2GB RAM, etc.) will be considerably more expensive.
I'm willing to go $650 for the Prime+keyboard dock. Anything more than that and I'd just bite the bullet and step up to an ultrabook and Kindle Fire combo.
Before we start this discussion, i'd just like to say that the devs are doing a brilliant job of bringing android flavours to the Touchpad and this discussion should in no way be a deterrent to them doing their work.
Is it just me or is the touchpad a neglected device in terms of development compared to other tablets? i.e. asus, samsung, htc.
There are a huge number of devs and a wide variety of custom ROMS, themed ROMS, ported ROMS, Mods the list goes on and on.
As far as I'm aware of the problems (feel free to correct me) the source for half the hardware hasn't been released (such as the webcam) etc etc. so it kind of makes it very very difficult if not impossible to experiment with different ROMS.
Yes some out there can say to me "buy a tablet that was meant to run android next time" fair enough. But is it alot to expect the same level of development as usual android tablets?
webOS is very lovely but it doesn't cut it for me in terms of customisation (even with some of the childish looking themes on preware). CM9 has its issues still with regards to not everything working yet, but even when it's complete i still miss simple conveniences like VPN and connect WiFi using WPS automatically to name a few.
So can we expect that kind of development? or is it too much to ask.
I doubt we'll have Samsung level development, but that's true of any non-Samsung device. Have no idea why they're so popular, but usually the size of their dev communities put others to shame.
As you've pointed out, we don't have all our hardware working right now. Between that and the fact that CM9 itself (as a whole, not just the TP Version) is incomplete, its no wonder there's only two or three roms. Many people make their roms using another as a base, be it a stock firmware (of which the TP obviously does not have) or CM. Since CM9 is in a constant state of flux, there's no solid base for the TP yet.
As it is, we have the CM9 alpha, CM9 weeklies, AOPK, Unofficial Cornerstone kangs, MIUI, Classicnerd, Cherrykang... and that's just ICS based stuff. Add in Gingerbread roms and non-Android OSs like Ubuntu and you'll find we have a quite a good selection already.
my gripe with gingerbread ROMS is not as some people say "phone rom on a tablet" its just the fact that the apps recognize it as a phone and ruins the whole thing.
apart from MIUI, alot of the other ROMS look and feel pretty similar to me and there isn't much that sets them apart. granted cm9 is in its infancy (EVERYWHERE including my evo 3D, google definitely not redeeming itself over this update fiasco). I haven't really sampled Ubuntu to make a judgement on it.
I suppose if one was to put together something original a) it would be so hard people wouldn't bother attempting it cuz it's just too time consuming b) it'd be like making a lovely dish from leftovers....kernel's modified and compiled from things like htc jetstream (and rumor has it the GS2 on AT&T), ROMS put together from 7" android tablets most of which have the same resolution as the touchpad so it'll make life easier with respect to resizing.... again too much effort and time consuming to be worthwhile
I feel the TouchPad has great development. Especially when you consider a vast majority of the devices were sold before android was put on the device. When the fire sales happened the people that bought them didn't know android was going to be put on it. So anyone that wanted to play with android or build ROMs probably got an android tablet.
There will never be a full stock optimized android build. With the Samsung devices they have a solid start point, and a manufacturer that is devoted to the success of the device. HP has washed its hands of the TouchPad more or less. Everything done to get android on the TouchPad had been done by volunteers, without the resources really needed.
Samsung just generally makes things easiest for people to hack it. HTC and Asus ship their devices with locked bootloaders. Samsung doesn't, so they have one less hurdle right from the get go. The other side of that is Samsung makes great hardware, and decent software. This is easier to show in the phones. HTC makes good phones, but there is two or three extra hurdles that don't exist on Samsung phones. LG phones also don't have those hurdles, but their hardware isn't as good, and they are notoriously bad at getting android updates out.
Another thing to consider is the quality of android overall on a tablet. There is minimal tablet apps, and little motivation. Apple bet their company on the success of the iPad, Microsoft is doing the same with Windows 8. If either of them fail at their tablet product their entire company is in jeopardy. But Google wouldn't notice if android tablets fail, and flop. The entire thing to them is like a hobby. I think if android tablets were more popular in general we would see a lot more going on here. The fact that the TouchPad has sold more units than any other android tablet (combined I think) is really sad. Android just isn't taking hold in the tablet market, and won't without a lot of work by Google. But, what's their incentive? 98% of their revenue is from advertising. They still make money when an iPad pulls up an ad served by Google. They don't really have a lot of skin in the game, and it shows. I think the only reason Samsung, HTC, Motorola etc sell android tablets at all is because they don't really have a choice. They can't sell iOS tablets. The real test will be Windows 8 on ARM. If these companies can license W8 from Microsoft, its familiar to them. Its like building a Laptop or Ultrabook, they rely on Microsoft's ability to make compelling software, and enterprise friendly systems. That's really what HP was trying to do with the TouchPad. HP said the TouchPad wasn't their last tablet, but I would bet their next one runs W8. I think the tablet race us destined to be a two pony race, and that android isn't going to be the second pony much longer at the rate things are going. </rant>
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Before we start this discussion, i'd just like to say that the devs are doing a brilliant job of bringing android flavours to the Touchpad and this discussion should in no way be a deterrent to them doing their work.
Is it just me or is the touchpad a neglected device in terms of development compared to other tablets? i.e. asus, samsung, htc. niggles (or problems; you decide) with cm9 has started to
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I get so tired of people complaining they don't get the same things from a $200 device as others get from their $600 ones. The reason the TPs are selling at the price they are is that the manufacturer stopped development. But, IMNSHO, the TP users are actually benefiting from that. If HP were still in charge, the TP would not have ICS, Ubuntu or Arch running.
this is my first tablet after all.....and when we're used to the development we see on our (assumed) android phones you can't help but compare, but like i said its only a discussion. and whats Arch?
Doesn't the fact that HP released the android kernel help development? How much does it help
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/01/us-barnesnoble-microsoft-idUSBRE83T0E120120501
Windows 8 in next Nook? Or is MS just adding B&N ebooks to their Windows 8 platform?
If the next nook is win8, I'm glad I got the last good one.
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I would be really surprised if B&N completely abandoned Android immediately. They've put way too much infrastructure into it. Of course, if MS gets involved, that may be the long term plan, money may not be a big object.
B&N history to date has been to release an E-Ink something about now, then a tablet something right before Christmas. If they continue that this year, that means the next tablet is nearing production. I doubt they'll make a change as big as the operating system at this point, so i would expect to see at least one other Android tablet.
If they release an x86 windows 8 tablet for less then $300 then I may upgrade to that as there are a lot more applications for x86 windows compared to the 0 for windows 8 ARM version. Means I could use a bunch of my windows apps on my tablet which would help me out tremendously. I will of course leave the gaming to my pc but I will be able to move some lighter work ot the tablet over the pc.
that means NT will be no longer support? or will be upgraded to win8?
Yeah...I'm done, B&N got my last purchase with the Tablet. Maybe this is just the excuse I needed to go iPad...sell my Nook Tablet. Though I may purchase the Kindle Fire now, strip the DRM off all my purchases and move them over. At least this way I can leverage my Amazon Prime subscription...
I hate MS that much! Why can't they just fade away!? Bastards....
I'm looking forward to what this partnership has to offer. I plan to purchase a Win8 tablet in a year or so. I think they'll have a winner on their hands.
Whats with all the Microsoft hate in here?
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Whats with all the Microsoft hate in here?
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Look at macrumors, similar thinking processes.
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Were not all Mac lovers, but the fact that Microsoft is intruding into android territory is a ****-move.
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I hate to burst everyone's bubbles but you pretty much can't buy an Android product that Microsoft doesn't make money on. They make more money off of Android than their own mobile OS.
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I don't care if Microsoft makes money, they're better than apple. But the thou of them trying to replace an Android tablet with windows just sucks. I don't think 7" windows 8 tablets will work very well. Too small for a work space to be effective.
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I hate to burst everyone's bubbles but you pretty much can't buy an Android product that Microsoft doesn't make money on. They make more money off of Android than their own mobile OS.
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I think Motorola products are free of msofts royalties and will continue to be with Google's acquisition of them.
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I've long since given up my hate of MS. I have a MacBook, an aging PC that I will soon be replacing XP with Ubuntu, a media PC with Win 7, and two Android devices (including the Nook Tablet). Sure, there are plenty of things I dislike about the Windows platform but as a company, Microsoft has long since shed its "Big Bad Wolf" clothes. They are not the untouchable monopoly they once were.
First, to clear some misconceptions, Windows 8 is not exclusive to x86. They will support the ARM architecture as well, which would include the NT. Second, Windows 8 appears to be more a convergence of PC/tablet functionality; a tablet version would give you much the same look and feel as the PC version but, like iOS vs. OS X, the two will not necessarily offer the same capability for running software. You should be under no illusions that you will be productive with your NT as you would a PC. Third, no chance MS will force this on existing Nook Tablet users with root or with a custom ROM. As with other investments, MS was looking for a viable, ready-made hardware platform that was struggling so they could easily work their way into the tablet marketplace.
Potentially cool things about this - more options for OS. You may hate MS but no biggie - just keep Android. You like MS? You may have an opportunity to place Win8 on your Nook. Also, MS will look to have a feature-rich platform - I wouldn't be surprised if they coax B&N into exposing Bluetooth functionality (with the undeniable limitations in range) or expanding peripheral offerings.
Should you expect huge changes with this? No, not any time soon. Should you be worried? If you like B&N, likely no. This could be the move that saves them as they struggle against the likes of Amazon. The Nook Tablet is a fantastic piece of hardware but don't delude yourself into thinking they can take over the Kindle Fire in their current state. B&N has a pitiful app marketplace, rotten support for their hardware, and klunky software. MS could help that, despite what you think of them as a company.
Abandon the Nook if you so choose - you will have no effect on MS. Honestly, though, I'm more disgusted with the culture of Apple than MS at this point (even though I like my Mac and OS X).
Happy arguing!
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I don't care if Microsoft makes money, they're better than apple. But the thou of them trying to replace an Android tablet with windows just sucks. I don't think 7" windows 8 tablets will work very well. Too small for a work space to be effective.
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This makes a lot of sense. I don't like Windows 8 tablets/mobile OS. Whoever thought that it looked good during development needs to get their eyes checked.
I agree wholeheartedly with the above post, I have nothing against Microsoft and yeah me too I'm disgusted as hell with apple's aggressive court cases and patent claims. I don't any problem with windows 8 or with them partnering with B&N, I just know that ive tried the windows 8 beta, and I tried using it in the mindset of a tablet and quite honestly I didn't like it all that much. If Microsoft coaxes B&N into Bluetooth support, great! If they coax them into more peripherals, great! I just don't want Microsoft coaxing them into dropping all their current devices because they run android and running away with them to make windows 8 e-reader tablets. Do I think that will happen, probably not but you never know what Microsoft will do to get a foot up in the tablet industry, they're so far behind.
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I agree wholeheartedly with the above post, I have nothing against Microsoft and yeah me too I'm disgusted as hell with apple's aggressive court cases and patent claims. I don't any problem with windows 8 or with them partnering with B&N, I just know that ive tried the windows 8 beta, and I tried using it in the mindset of a tablet and quite honestly I didn't like it all that much. If Microsoft coaxes B&N into Bluetooth support, great! If they coax them into more peripherals, great! I just don't want Microsoft coaxing them into dropping all their current devices because they run android and running away with them to make windows 8 e-reader tablets. Do I think that will happen, probably not but you never know what Microsoft will do to get a foot up in the tablet industry, they're so far behind.
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Windows mobile cannot be compared to the android OS. It will be a shame if their goal is to replace that platform. MS... just stick to hardware R&D- I know they're trying to get touchscreen lag down to 1ms (from 100ms). That would be really sweet.
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Windows mobile cannot be compared to the android OS.
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Are you referring to windows 8? Because, its kinda supposed to be a direct competitor for android and tbh, with proper app support, it may be able to do what webOS failed to do with the touchpad.
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Having a choice is awesome.If I can install Win8 on ARM devices, or Android, what's not to love about it? MS haters should get a lige or wait until they are out of junior high. Win7 is an exvellent OS, Office is basically untouchable. MS does many things right. Having them on ARM can only mean good things for us.
And if yoi dont like them, nobody will force you to use them, anyway!
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Were not all Mac lovers, but the fact that Microsoft is intruding into android territory is a ****-move.
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They are just acting like a buisiness, putting money into emerging markets so they have a stake in future business opportunities. It isn't like they are the Antichrist.