I disassembled my I717 and T989 to determine if I could find any major differences in the antennas. I managed to connect the coax lead from the base antenna on the I717 to the PCB leading to the corresponding antenna on the T989, but it didn't improve upload performance. I think its the receive antenna.
There is 4 antennas from what I can see, the two top side antennas are probably for transmit, the rear door one is the GPS patch antenna, and the base one in the speaker module is probably for receive. I'm just deducing this from the fact that the two antennas I think are transmit are very close to the large IC chips, and you'd want to minimize signal loss by keeping things close.
Luckily the unit is easy to split apart. If I find that a simple antenna mod improves upload performance then I feel it would be an mod that most folks could accomplish themselves.
Perhaps someone has a service manual that could be of help?
Antenna and terminal locations
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Heres a pic of the I717 connected to the T989 antenna. Too bad I this wasn't the one as its the only one that is not encapsulated and is easy to modify.
Nice to see you with a note roto i love your work
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I disassembled my I717 and T989 to determine if I could find any major differences in the antennas. I managed to connect the coax lead from the base antenna on the I717 to the PCB leading to the corresponding antenna on the T989, but it didn't improve upload performance. I think its the receive antenna.
There is 4 antennas from what I can see, the two top side antennas are probably for transmit, the rear door one is the GPS patch antenna, and the base one in the speaker module is probably for receive. I'm just deducing this from the fact that the two antennas I think are transmit are very close to the large IC chips, and you'd want to minimize signal loss by keeping things close.
Luckily the unit is easy to split apart. If I find that a simple antenna mod improves upload performance then I feel it would be an mod that most folks could accomplish themselves.
Perhaps someone has a service manual that could be of help?
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Any chance you would post some pics of your dissassembly.
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i love what u guys do if knew anything about this stuff id be all over it thanks guys for making the impossible possible
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Any chance you would post some pics of your dissassembly.
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Done.
Natural progression from a SGT to the note. I am glad ur here rotohammer.
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wouldnt enlarging the antenna surface increase performance? EG: soldering a long wire to the existing antenna surface?
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Hey roto,
I think that antenna at the base is the one for uplink. Very weird thing ... when I hold the phone in landscape with the volume rocker up or with the phone upside down my upload speeds take off. When I hold the phone right side up with my hands covering the base, my upload speeds diminish. Wonder if there is a way to easily move that antenna ...
I'm happy ur still looking into this man I don't wanna go.thru the hassle of buying a new phone
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Done.
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I'm happy ur still looking into this man I don't wanna go.thru the hassle of buying a new phone
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Yeah ... the fun never stops
I wish I had somewhat a little bit of knolegde about this I would have loved to help but I'm clueless when it comes to this things
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funziebear said:
I wish I had somewhat a little bit of knolegde about this I would have loved to help but I'm clueless when it comes to this things
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Pick up a study guide for the Technician class ham radio license. That will put you on the path of knolegde.
http://www.arrl.org/getting-your-technician-license
i just redid my "tinfoil antenna but made it longer up the length from the S-Pen to the "white sticker" I gained a full bar of reception. as to up/down speeds no real difference as my carrier is poop.
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i just redid my "tinfoil" antenna but made it longer up the length from the S-Pen to the "white sticker" I gained a full bar of reception. as to up/down speeds no real difference as my carrier is poop.
I have also covered the bottom section below the battery, leaving a hole for the speaker of course
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To the left of the speaker grill. Can't figure it out for the life of me. It has contacts so it has to be something.
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To the left of the speaker grill. Can't figure it out for the life of me. It has contacts so it has to be something.
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External mic for speaker mode, when you flip the phone over? Completely random guess.
pretty sure I read a review that said the rezound has 2 noise cancelling mics.
Those holes are for the antennae. The noise cancelling mic looks like it's on the side. The thunderbolt had similar holes.
I asked the guy at the Verizon store and he said it has to do with wireless charging but that didn't make sense to me since it has contacts and wireless charging requires a different back cover.
I did notice some cases have a cutout for them and some don't.
There's no mention of them in the user manual.
Yeah. That is the main reason I would like to know. My case doesn't have the cut outs and I don't want to cover them if they were mics.
Surely there wouldn't be microphones built into the battery cover though.
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To the left of the speaker grill. Can't figure it out for the life of me. It has contacts so it has to be something.
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that's where the s-off switch is lmao
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that's where the s-off switch is lmao
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Yeah and they're just trying to crack the needle pushing combination!
pinholes for a dock station
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Not mics, not for wireless charging, not for a dock.
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If you remove the battery cover, you should see that there are copper contacts on the inside of the cover, and that the holes in question are the mounting points of those contacts to the battery cover. To my knowledge this is the only function these pin holes provide, and I see no way for covering these would have a negative impact on the device.
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I'm getting a chuckle at some of the responses. Not sure if serious, though!
The five sets of contacts on the battery door are all antennae for the various radios. CDMA, Bluetooth, Wifi, LTE, GPS.
Thought I read some where that's where u short it out to put into a download mode of some sort
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FCC documentation:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...ication_id=241774&typ=0602&fcc_id='NM8PH98100
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Holy test points!
I can only imagine that the holes that lead into the CDMA antenna contacts are for test points, as there is probably little reception inside the factory and an auxiliary antenna might be used to obtain a signal. OEM accessory covers, like the wireless charging and extended battery covers, do not have these holes, nor would they be needed since they are not supplied with the base unit.
Hi everyone! While waiting for a donor phone to be dropped in my lap at work today, i spent about 20 min taking my phone apart to see what was inside......So please enjoy, and I have some questions about the shielding over the radio components.....any ideas on taking it off? I know i should de solder them but without burning the board? whats the best approach Ive never soldered so please post a link or something. I really want to take a look under those shields. So without further ado taking your housing off!!!!!
Take out all the screws and stuff....helps if you have a fingernail or a pick for pulling it apart too!
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Dont forget these ones hiding on the bottom like i did and all the rubber stuff!
Continue all the way around until your back at the top!
Take the housing off until its in 2 pieces like this one.
Pull this screw out by the sd card slot
Pull out the first ribbon cable
Plus this one too!
Pull this black thingy
Pull the sticker to expose the mysterious radio components
and your all naked!!!
now some other pictures and stuff!
Sim card slots n stuff!
Shielded components
Any ideas on how to get them off?
Blurrycam solder points
Stuff
If you guys have ideas please throw them out or a specific pic request let me know Ill do it to help everyone with the next phone i get.
very nicely done. didnt realize that the radiop parts were so well covered
Can you put an arrow to the LTE chip??
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very nicely done. didnt realize that the radiop parts were so well covered
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Thanks! I'm not sure how I'm going to get them off with out damaging the board Im saving up so I can get another for parts and separate the board and shield.
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very nicely done. didnt realize that the radiop parts were so well covered
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I can tell you from experience that this is a well built phone. Pay close attention to secondary seals under the rear housing and usb/hdmi ports. I had a customer come in with one that had a coffee bath and still worked. The only parts that got wet was between the lcd and digitizer and between the lcd panel and reflector (the mopho was face down on a table when it happened). Except for the coffee staining the reflector panel in the LCD assembly it was good to go after desiccant/hotbox treatment.
U need a hotflow soldier to get those panels of...or bake it in a oven but u will ruin it
I deff don't recommend trying to take those off even if you have the right tools
That stuff flat out takes experience and a good hand
Thx for the great pix and work
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U need a hotflow soldier to get those panels of...or bake it in a oven but u will ruin it
I deff don't recommend trying to take those off even if you have the right tools
That stuff flat out takes experience and a good hand
Thx for the great pix and work
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No problem! this means I have to find a sacrificial photon:-(
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What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Why 2 photons and why are you taking them apart?
I think he's trying to get all the chip info
That may help with dev
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I think he's trying to get all the chip info
That may help with dev
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Yep!
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So when you do get this opened up, keep in mind if there is a n lte chip, it will be a dual wi-max/lte chip, only one has been made between a chip company and motorola and motorola has only made one wi-max phone so ill place my bets the dual chip is in here, ill try to repost with a picture of what it should look like
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No LTE Support for Photon
No need to find a sacrificial lamb for your curiosity, our phones wont support LTE at all. The Photon has the Wimax Chipset Version bece3502, the Dual mode LTE/WIMAX chipset is the bece5000.
So there you have it, Sucks but its better to know then to ruin a phone.
Ive heard and read its just running the Beceem 3502 drivers for now, ive also heard of sprint representatives saying an update will come for the photon to support lte when theyre network is expanded, what other reason would motorola hide the photons full hardware information until january, when sprint releases theyre "big secret" at ces which im guessing is LTE
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So the story goes we were in northern Maine on a fishing trip with no signal. I would like to make an external Cantenna, but need the correct patch cable to go from the phone to the cantenna. I don't care what connector is on the other end as I will source the correct connector based on the patch cable. Anyone know what spec the external antenna port is on our phone?
ps I know where the port is, just don't know what it's technical name is.
My fish is on the bottom 14" Brook trout
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Be careful!!!
I've read that those ports on the back of the phone are used by Samsung for testing purposes. Be careful when tinkering with those as you might permanently disconnect the internal antenna and ruin your phone. I was interested in making an external for my old Epic 4G Touch and decided not to after what I'd read about using those ports. Here's a thread with some info for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1484314
If you are successful in joining a Cantenna to one of those ports, let me how you did it.
Nice dinner there.
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Saw the exact same problem back with the captivate, poor guy trashed his phone, since the antenna connector never reset; apparently it is just the way Samsung handles antennas in their phones. There is a powered amplifier on the market that works without a direct wired connection, if I remember it will give you..... maybe 20db (guessing from a suspect memory) ... I could probably find the link, if you don't already have it.
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An engineer friend made a reflector that focuses the signal at his cell phone. I think he used a stainless steel bowl with a hole in the bottom so it was more a funnel than a reflector. You need to know where the cell tower is so you can point the bowl, though.
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PaulF8080 said:
An engineer friend made a reflector that focuses the signal at his cell phone. I think he used a stainless steel bowl with a hole in the bottom so it was more a funnel than a reflector. You need to know where the cell tower is so you can point the bowl, though.
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Damn Paul I'm jealous, I want friends like yours, like the way you think
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PaulF8080 said:
An engineer friend made a reflector that focuses the signal at his cell phone. I think he used a stainless steel bowl with a hole in the bottom so it was more a funnel than a reflector. You need to know where the cell tower is so you can point the bowl, though.
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Sounds like a good idea, but not sure it will work where we are. Lots of trees in the way. It sucks that Samsung would not use the external antenna port the same way as everyone else. I'll contact sammy and see what's up.
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Sounds like a good idea, but not sure it will work where we are. Lots of trees in the way. It sucks that Samsung would not use the external antenna port the same way as everyone else. I'll contact sammy and see what's up.
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My friend has a cabin in the woods. The real problem you might have is that dishes need to be fixed in one spot and precisely pointed. I googled and could only find wifi reflectors.
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My friend has a cabin in the woods. The real problem you might have is that dishes need to be fixed in one spot and precisely pointed. I googled and could only find wifi reflectors.
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There is a cabin on a hilltop that would be the perfect place for one. Just need a clear answer from samsung about it.
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There is a cabin on a hilltop that would be the perfect place for one. Just need a clear answer from samsung about it.
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Okay, this might help you, take a look at this little well priced tech marvel:
http://bestcelldist.com/samsung_galaxy_note_lte_widepatch.html
Pros ::::::It is just the coupling, This inductive coupling will tie into any type antenna system you might like. You can specify any end connector when you order ..
It is only $30 bucks. I know it is not as economical as a simple connector but an could turn out to be an excellent alternative if it turns out you can't mate a physical connector.
Cons::::::There is Rf loss without the physical attachment, around 40% , though with the right antenna/booster you could easily be sending fish picks to jealous friends back home....
By the way,the link below still sells the connector that will trash a Samsung Captivate, They do warn that attaching an external antenna "might" damage your phone in "rare" circumstances......they sell it for about $12, nice profit on some suckers $100 dollar loss.... some things never change, eh...... Let the Buyer Beware.
http://www.alternativewireless.com/antenna-adapter-samsung-galaxy-s.html
Official response from Samsung Support on G+:
Hi Travis! Unfortunately, we don't have any support information concerning this as we don't support 3rd party extermal antennas. Please reach out to the manufacturer for further information. Thanks!
No surprise really
I will keep the inductive version in mind. I will also update the post with any other info I find. Going to try an contact Cyanogen as his wife has a GNote and he works for Samsung.
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Okay, this might help you, take a look at this little well priced tech marvel:
http://bestcelldist.com/samsung_galaxy_note_lte_widepatch.html
I will keep the inductive cable in mind.
Pros ::::::It is just the coupling, This inductive coupling will tie into any type antenna system you might like. You can specify any end connector when you order ..
It is only $30 bucks. I know it is not as economical as a simple connector but an could turn out to be an excellent alternative if it turns out you can't mate a physical connector.
Cons::::::There is Rf loss without the physical attachment, around 40% , though with the right antenna/booster you could easily be sending fish picks to jealous friends back home....
By the way,the link below still sells the connector that will trash a Samsung Captivate, They do warn that attaching an external antenna "might" damage your phone in "rare" circumstances......they sell it for about $12, nice profit on some suckers $100 dollar loss.... some things never change, eh...... Let the Buyer Beware.
http://www.alternativewireless.com/antenna-adapter-samsung-galaxy-s.html
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Thanks for sharing the update from Samsung. Looking forward to the details of how you cracked this nut and and your results. A photo fish story post from that mountain cabin would be a nice touch. Best of luck.
"Up with Open source, long live Xda"
yea, thanks for looking into this
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I will keep the inductive version in mind. I will also update the post with any other info I find. Going to try an contact Cyanogen as his wife has a GNote and he works for Samsung.
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I've contacted a couple of seemingly legit manufactures as I still have an old Wilson's antenna that worked incredibly well in the middle of a great lake on a sail boat with an old Nokia phone about 10 years ago.
I would love to find a connector to the samsung note sgh i717 ...
thanks for posting what you know. Wish Samsung would have the nuts to look into it and provide the community some info with a harsh disclaimer to avoid dealing with warranties rather than say nothing.
If you find anything else out, please post!
http://www.powerbookmedic.com/wordpress/2012/11/16/google-nexus-10-take-apart-first-look
Teaser:
The end result is a device that is extremely repairable. Go Google!
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and hopefully there is a way to solder a microsd reader in there. i hope that SOC has dedicated pins for it.
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However, the very last sentence at the end of the teardown is, "The Nexus 10 display and digitizer are fused together, so that is where the take apart ends." The digitizer seems to me one of the most important repairables.
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That's one big ass battery.
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However, the very last sentence at the end of the teardown is, "The Nexus 10 display and digitizer are fused together, so that is where the take apart ends." The digitizer seems to me one of the most important repairables.
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Pretty much all high-end screens and capacitive digitizers are fused together these days, it's the process of choice to keep thickness AND glare down, needs less backlight power, gives better color reproduction, contrast and viewing angles, and it cuts weight a bit.
TL;DR The days of two-piece displays and digitisers are almost gone.
- Hmm, I don't see where the graphics chip is on the motherboard? The Exynos chip is pretty obvious, but I didn't see anything really labeling the graphics.
- Do the 2 heat shields serve to keep heat around those chips, or to disperse heat among a larger area? Does the heat shields come in-contact with the chips, or does it just hover above them slightly? If it's just hovering; we could possibly use some thermal pads to help with cooling if it becomes an issue at some point with overclocking maybe
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- Hmm, I don't see where the graphics chip is on the motherboard? The Exynos chip is pretty obvious, but I didn't see anything really labeling the graphics.
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I'm pretty sure the Exynos chip contains the cpu and gpu in the same chip.
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I'm pretty sure the Exynos chip contains the cpu and gpu in the same chip.
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Ah, yea your probably right
Has anyone actually torn apart their N10 yet? I wanted to know if it was at all possible to separate the back from the screen, without a suction cup (I don't have one of those anywhere)
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- Hmm, I don't see where the graphics chip is on the motherboard? The Exynos chip is pretty obvious, but I didn't see anything really labeling the graphics.
- Do the 2 heat shields serve to keep heat around those chips, or to disperse heat among a larger area? Does the heat shields come in-contact with the chips, or does it just hover above them slightly? If it's just hovering; we could possibly use some thermal pads to help with cooling if it becomes an issue at some point with overclocking maybe
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Ha ha, yeah it would be terribly inefficient to have a seperate chip for both the CPU and gpu .
Look any custom light bleed fixes aren't possible. Bummer.
:xda on sprint g-nex:
Cant quite tell by looking at the pictures, but it looks like pins 3 and 5 on the pogo are likely used for charging the device....I wish someone would investigate this....I would, but I won't have full access to mine until Christmas...I just got to open it to make sure I didn't have light bleed...I had just a little in the bottom right corner, no big deal.
At any rate...why hasn't anyone tried to figure out the pogo pins yet? Just a lot of hand wringing and naval gazing so far...
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Cant quite tell by looking at the pictures, but it looks like pins 3 and 5 on the pogo are likely used for charging the device....I wish someone would investigate this....I would, but I won't have full access to mine until Christmas...I just got to open it to make sure I didn't have light bleed...I had just a little in the bottom right corner, no big deal.
At any rate...why hasn't anyone tried to figure out the pogo pins yet? Just a lot of hand wringing and naval gazing so far...
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I'll be making a pogo charger, just waiting on the parts off eBay to arrive from far east Asia. The spring pins to be precise.
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I'll be making a pogo charger, just waiting on the parts off eBay to arrive from far east Asia. The spring pins to be precise.
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That's the easy part.... Do you know the pinouts? If you don't have that, the pogo pins are worthless.
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That's the easy part.... Do you know the pinouts? If you don't have that, the pogo pins are worthless.
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Nope, but I'm an Electronic Engineer ... I'm sure I'll figure something out...
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I'll be making a pogo charger, just waiting on the parts off eBay to arrive from far east Asia. The spring pins to be precise.
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WOW that's great Please keep us posted !
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Nope, but I'm an Electronic Engineer ... I'm sure I'll figure something out...
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No need to wait on pins to determine the pinouts.
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Anyone else have a crack in their bezel running from the headphone jack to the screen border? I use headphones on this phone about every day so I'm not surprised the plastic cracked since it seems like any kind of force from the headphones could put pressure on that area where it is thin so close to the ear piece speaker.
Interesting thing tho is my friend has the same issue but rarely ever uses headphones. Also keeps the phone cased where I never have a case. Both phones have never been dropped either. I'm guessing it's a flaw in the design on that area, just wondered if anyone else has the issue?
I'll try to post a pic later btw
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I do not and use them all day
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I've got the same problem here. I don't use the headphones excessively, so it can't be from overuse.
I have the exact same crack on my phone. It's barely noticeable and runs from the headphone jack to the edge of the headset speaker. I use bluetooth headphones almost exclusively, so I'm sure it's not from overuse of the jack on my phone.
altayh said:
I have the exact same crack on my phone. It's barely noticeable and runs from the headphone jack to the edge of the headset speaker. I use bluetooth headphones almost exclusively, so I'm sure it's not from overuse of the jack on my phone.
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Lol it will most likely get worse. That's how mine started, then it traveled to the edge of the screen. Now one side sits higher than the other and you can feel the crack when running your finger over it
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I too have a crack starting from the front of the headphone jack, and it heads to the left side of the front speaker. It is not very noticeable, though. I had been using a wired patch cord from the phone to my car's aux in port, and I have used wired headphones with the phone in my front pocket, so I figured the crack started from that use. However, I rarely use jack since starting to use wireless bluetooth headphones, and a wireless bluetooth connection in the car.
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BY god i have the same crack, first time i looked i couldn't see it then i took off the case. it's so small at this stage you can't hardly see, unless you're looking for it, probably get worse. i hardly ever use the headphones too.
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Mine hasn't made it that far yet, but it appears to be on its way.
have it too, l didnt see it till i saw the op pic about it
It seems I'm the only one who does not have this crack.
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Give it time and you will. My wife and I both have this phone and we both have the crack. Definitely a flaw in the design.
I too have experienced the crack. My brother has this phone and he pointed it out to me just recently. Definitely could be a design flaw maybe this is a region where too much stress is getting applied. I thought it might have been his case- too tight. It a trident I belive. He does use headphones alot so that is adding to the wear. I carefully superglued it so not to cause any obstruction to the port or be obtrusive to the look of the exterior. I figure it will help prevemnt the crack from getting worse or even break off. Did not expect anyone really to have this exact same problem, even so many.