Samsung's memory cards were updated late Wednesday with large-scale production one of the world's fastest microSD cards. The new 16GB microSDHC card runs at the same UHS-1 (Ultra High Speed-1) spec normally used for the latest full-size SD cards, giving it performance that would previously have been reserved for pro memory for DSLRs and video cameras. Sequential read speeds peak at about 80MB per second, or roughly four times the 21MB of regular microSD cards.
The storage is ostensibly meant for LTE-capable smartphones and tablets, where flash memory speed could bottleneck the connection. It should nonetheless be useful for cameras that take microSD storage and support UHS-1. Samsung reached the density through a combination of its more recent 20-nanometer manufacturing process to build 64-gigabit (8GB) chip layers as well as a toggle DDR2 interface that can saturate the newly available bandwidth.
Release schedules and prices weren't given out, although mass production usually precedes a launch within a few months or less.
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Do want.
Sweet!! I just picked up a 32GB microSD. If the speeds are noticeable better then I would consider purchasing
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me too kasanRio me tooooo *insert quiet yet evil laugh*
agent2702 I think they really will be much faster 20nm tech is like ssd or some ishh isn't it .. 80mb/sec is pretty nice
I honestly wouldn't need anything larger than 16 and I actually like when my gb of my card matches my phone's internal storage for a total "nice round number"
doubt I would ever record a movie bigger than that not with my phone anyways
That's great... I've seen the UHS-I technology in action on DSLRs and it's great. Makes a huge difference if fluid 720p recordings.
That said, UHS-I cards require UHS-I capable readers. Outside of DSLR cameras, very few devices have UHS-I capable readers, and such readers are rare even on PCs.
If you put in a UHS-I into a non-UHS-I capable reader, then it defaults to a lower speed. I had this discussion earlier when pursuing a Sandisk SD Card that had a UHS-I rating as a Readyboost card for my friend's netbook. Support said that since the netbook didn't have a UHS-I reader, the card speed didn't default to Class 10, but to class 6. So far, I believe this varies from card to card.
To sum this up, do we know if the Samsung Note has a UHS-I capable reader? As far as I know, this hasn't been advertised as a feature. Further, I'd surmise that since I haven't heard of people advertising software updates for their readers upgrading to UHS-I, I imagine readers need different hardware to be UHS-I capable.
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That's great... I've seen the UHS-I technology in action on DSLRs and it's great. Makes a huge difference if fluid 720p recordings.
That said, UHS-I cards require UHS-I capable readers. Outside of DSLR cameras, very few devices have UHS-I capable readers, and such readers are rare even on PCs.
If you put in a UHS-I into a non-UHS-I capable reader, then it defaults to a lower speed. I had this discussion earlier when pursuing a Sandisk SD Card that had a UHS-I rating as a Readyboost card for my friend's netbook. Support said that since the netbook didn't have a UHS-I reader, the card speed didn't default to Class 10, but to class 6. So far, I believe this varies from card to card.
To sum this up, do we know if the Samsung Note has a UHS-I capable reader? As far as I know, this hasn't been advertised as a feature. Further, I'd surmise that since I haven't heard of people advertising software updates for their readers upgrading to UHS-I, I imagine readers need different hardware to be UHS-I capable.
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I believe they are just calling them UHS class but all new tech based on the article . just stating that they are the equiv of digi cam cards speed and performance wise but for phones ..
@shoobie:
I appreciate the article, but, I'm going to attempt to clarify on what's required for UHS-I cards. Oh, sidenote, I didn't take enough time to look at the picture to note that the cards default to class 10, which is good .
Well, what they're saying is that UHS-I hasn't been effectively implemented into the microSDHC form factor yet, only the SDHC, as DSLRs and the like use SDHC cards or CF Cards (Since DSLRs often have enough room for a larger card reader, since you often lose performance and/or increase the price dramatically when you miniaturize components).
For UHS-I to work, according to the SD Part 1 Physical Layer Simplified Specification Version 3.01, it requires that both the host device and the card be UHS compliant. Summarizing off section 3.9.4... essentially in the past, host devices communicated with the SD card via 3.3 Volt signaling. UHS uses a special 1.8V signaling at a higher speed to communicate with UHS compatible cards.
Now, I'm no engineer, and I haven't gone through the document thoroughly enough, but as far as I can tell, it's not a soft update for the card reader, but a hardware update (or basically a new reader is needed) to be UHS compatible. This theory comes from the fact that I haven't seen anyone announcing card reader updates or flashes that allow their readers to now read UHS-I cards.
The real question is: Did Samsung have the foresight to equip our Galaxy Notes with UHS compatible readers?
Otherwise, they're just setting these cards up for the next generation of phones that will definitely be UHS compatible.
Not trying to be a party pooper, just saying >,>
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The real question is: Did Samsung have the foresight to equip our Galaxy Notes with UHS compatible readers?
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Someone here says that Samsung told them the Galaxy Note *does* support the UHS-1 microSD cards with their higher speeds.
Don57 said:
Someone here says that Samsung told them the Galaxy Note *does* support the UHS-1 microSD cards with their higher speeds.
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Hope you don't mind my skepticism, but... after reading the post... it reads that "Samsung finally gsve me an answer, it is compatible. "... which doesn't really mean much. UHS-1 cards are compatible in older SD card readers, but said readers do not utilize the new higher speeds for the UHS-1 speed class.
Though, who knows, Samsung might... I'll try to contact them soon, though uh, who knows when I'll get a reply, anyone else want to give it a shot?
Remember, you don't want to ask if it's compatible, you want to ask if the reader is SD Card 3.0 compliant, and/or if it's a UHS-1 capable reader, and capable of reading UHS-1 cards are UHS-1 speeds.
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Hope you don't mind my skepticism, but... after reading the post... it reads that "Samsung finally gsve me an answer, it is compatible. "... which doesn't really mean much. UHS-1 cards are compatible in older SD card readers, but said readers do not utilize the new higher speeds for the UHS-1 speed class.
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My thoughts, exactly.
The guy did talk about buying such a memory card and experiencing faster speeds with it later down in the thread, though.
Related
I am looking for recommendation for a 32Gb Micro SD card that is the fastest and most stable for use in the AT&T Note.
Currently I have the following but they're not good:
- Kingston 8GB Class 6: REALLY slow - tansfer rate below 1 Mbps
- Transcend 32GB Class 4: slow - transfer rate about 2-3 Mbps
Both were bought from Amazon and as you can see, even a Class 6 MicroSD can have lower performance than Class 4, depending on the manufacturer.
You can check your MicroSD card speed using this tool from Google Play. The screenshot from that app shows some insane card speed, as shown below:
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I have a Samsung class 10.... it used to get close to 10 MB write speeds but has since deteriorated to 6mb/s. Wish I knew why
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lanwarrior said:
I am looking for recommendation for a 32Gb Micro SD card that is the fastest and most stable for use in the AT&T Note.
Currently I have the following but they're not good:
- Kingston 8GB Class 6: REALLY slow - tansfer rate below 1 Mbps
- Transcend 32GB Class 4: slow - transfer rate about 2-3 Mbps
Both were bought from Amazon and as you can see, even a Class 6 MicroSD can have lower performance than Class 4, depending on the manufacturer.
You can check your MicroSD card speed using this tool from Google Play. The screenshot from that app shows some insane card speed, as shown below:
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The best ...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-microSD-High-Speed-32GB-MB-MSBGA-US-Memory-Card-/190685974016?pt=PCC_Drives_Storage_Internal&hash=item2c65c50e00#ht_4560wt_1139
Samsung 32gb class 10
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These are the same SD card. A Polaroid class 10 that was on sale the other day. This is the link for the card.
This was my first test taken a few ago.
This was taken right after on same sd card.
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Thanks all for the recommendation and the screenshot!
Looks like Samsung and Polaroid CLASS 10 is the way to go. I will research the price and buy on of these.
By the way, a friend of mine recommended the NEW Sandisk SDXC. They seems to be more expensive, but if the performance is similar to regular MicroSD, what will be the advantage?
I think most any class 10 will provide similar results. There are some that guarantee certain speeds, and they may be better performers, but you'll often pay a bit more. The class refers to the speed, most manufacturers will report their best case scenarios to qualify for a higher class rating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_Class_Rating So you'll find some class 10's do out perform others and such.
SDXC just refers to the capacity the cards can support. I believe SDXC supports up to 2tb vs SDHC is up to 32gb. (there are other technical factors too)
Just be sure that it is indeed a MicroSD card, and not just a normal SD card.
Got mine @ buy.com website -
32GB , Class 6 for $19.90 + free ship ( came via post)
( dont remember which supplier )
Just used the above testing ( was curious)
Got speeds = write = 10.3 reading = 14.4
So gota be worth it > not sure 64Gb (1$ per GB)is worth the money @ moment
Best Buy has a PNY 32gb class 10 card in their ad for $33 today.
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Ausmike said:
Got mine @ buy.com website -
32GB , Class 6 for $19.90 + free ship ( came via post)
( dont remember which supplier )
Just used the above testing ( was curious)
Got speeds = write = 10.3 reading = 14.4
So gota be worth it > not sure 64Gb (1$ per GB)is worth the money @ moment
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Is this for SDXC or normal Class 10? What brand?
Samsung Essential
lanwarrior said:
Is this for SDXC or normal Class 10? What brand?
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Not sure if anyone is still looking at this thread, but I just did this test on my phone with my 32gig Samsung Essential MicroSD card. I've owned it for a couple months now and as far as I can tell it's been rock solid.
Read speed was 9.7mbps
Wtite speed was 22.4mbps
Best part, it was only like $30 on NewEgg. Great deal for a class 10 card.
Not to further complicate things. There is another notable rating
Class 10 UHS-1
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-micro...DSDQUA-032G-U46A/dp/B007XZM6VG/ref=pd_cp_pc_1
Class 10 SDHC
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Mobil...51467765&sr=1-3&keywords=class+10+micro+sd+64
Pay close attention to the little symbol that indicates its rating. Don't be fooled by a lower value. The shape around it indicates a type.
So whats the deal? I have an answer for you. This ever confusing class and rating jargon can best be cleared up from the horses mouth.
Behold the SD Association and its wonderfully CLEAR explanation.
Yup its real. They are responsible for a great many things in the memory world. They even have provided all of us with the best SD format tool we can get our hands on for free. Because they know there SD stuff that's why!
So back to the ratings. I personally have not ever tested a UHS class SD in our device or any other phone for that matter. Based on this quote "UHS (Ultra High Speed), the fastest performance category available today, defines bus-interface speeds up to 312 Megabytes per second for greater device performance. It is available on SDXC and SDHC memory cards and devices." I would love to know if anyone has successfully used one.
Weeeeellllll I ordered a 64gig UHS-1 from Sandisk.
Seems the research I did supports Android and mobile OS use very well. So ill give it a go and post some results when it arrives.
16 gb patriot class 10
Patriot 16gb class 10
Can't go wrong with Sandisk. And our devices support up to and including 64GB. Note: don't buy from eBay.
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madman604 said:
Can't go wrong with Sandisk. And our devices support up to and including 64GB. Note: don't buy from eBay.
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Spotted Sandisk 32gb Ultra "U1" on sale for $29 at RadioShack .
Cab121 said:
Weeeeellllll I ordered a 64gig UHS-1 from Sandisk.
Seems the research I did supports Android and mobile OS use very well. So ill give it a go and post some results when it arrives.
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I can only assume that you never received it. Where did you order it from, so I know to never order from there?
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Careful with the SanDisk UH devices... My 32gb SanDisk UH-1, bought from amazon and in retail packaging, was a pain in my Note from day one. The problem got worse over time... at first i thought it was just JB roms, not hardware. It constantly caused reboots, would unmount itself, and was slow, no matter which ROM was installed. After 3 months, it died last week... it mounts/dismounts every second it seem, even in my Mac or PC. Put in for an RMA with SanDisk... we'll see how that goes.
My old 16gb class 6 Transcend works great.
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I use a Silicon Power 32GB Class 10 (SP032GBSTH010V10-SP)
It got 13.3 write /20 read
I'm consistently getting 8 MB/s Write and 35 MB/s Read in SD Tools. That read speed seems crazy-high for such an old card. I'm using a Class 6 A-Data card that I originally bought for my HTC Magic over 3 years ago. Not sure if it's random or sequential, though. I imagine that random is much more important wrt apparent speed browsing through things like photo albums and music folders.
EDIT: haha, OK so apparently you have to go into the root of your external SD card to get actual results. 8/18 on the AData
Good day everyone:
I've just purchased this great device, at least spec wise, LG Optimus G (E970 for AT&T) and now I'm just waiting for it to arrive in the mail. For the record, I got a great deal on it from Walmart Wireless online for the upgrade price of $9.99 with 2-year contract and paying no taxes on the original retail price. That's the best deal ANYWHERE as far as I was able to find over the past month or so.
Anyway, on to the purpose of this thread. I've been looking t get the largest capacity and fastest speed microSD card that this smartphone would be compatible with right out of the box. To my surprise, other than basic general verbiage like "support for up
to 64 GB of expandable memory", I couldn't quickly find any detailed specs on what types of microSD cards and in what file format would work with this phone. Well, after much searching and compiling info from different sources, thought 'd share my findings with the rest of the members here so that they would have a definite answer in one spot.
I started with researching on the official site for the LG Optimus G E970 and grabbed the technical specifications PDF which states:
www DOT lg DOT com/us/support/products/documents/especsheet_lg_optimus_g_final DOT pdf - Link to LG Optimus G E970 technical specifications PDF
Internal Memory: 32GB total memory (16GB built in
memory and 16GB microSD card), and support for up
to 64 GB of expandable memory.
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So, now knowing the maximum size in space that the phone will support (64GB), I looked up the best rated 64GB microSD card. This of course is debatable, yet I concluded that SanDisk made the best microSD cards in this size.
kb DOT sandisk DOT com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2520 - SD/SDHC/SDXC Specifications and Compatibility
SD Extended Capacity (SDXC™) card is an SD™ memory card based on the SDA 3.0 specification.
SDXC capacities range from 64GB to 2TB
Default Format: exFAT
Because SDXC uses a different file system called exFAT and it works differently than standard SD cards, this new format is NOT backwards compatible with host devices that only take SD (128MB to 2GB). Most host devices built after 2010 should be SDXC compatible. To ensure compatibility, look for the SDXC logo on cards and host devices (cameras, camcorders, etc.). NOTE: Internal card readers on laptops from 2008 and prior may NOT support SDXC cards. SDXC cards will work in SDHC compatible readers (not SD readers) if the computer OS supports exFAT. For more information on exFat see: Operating Systems that support the exFAT File System
Ultra High Speed, Phase I (UHS-I) bus design for SDHC and SDXC cards was added in SD spec 3.0. This is a design enhancement to increase the performance of SDHC/SDXC cards.
UHS-I specification defines two bus architecture options for up to 50MB/s (UHS-50) and 104MB/s (UHS-104) data transfer rates. These are theoretical maximum limits and actual maximum performance for a specific card is defined on it label or in advertising.
UHS is an enhancement to the original SD interface specifications. Host devices will obtain the UHS maximum speed when both the card and host device support UHS. Otherwise, the host device and card will use the slower SD maximum speed obtainable.
There is no compatibility problem using a UHS card with a non-UHS device.
Speed Class & UHS Speed Class Rating
Speed class ratings define a minimum guaranteed speed of SDHC/SDXC cards. Speed class rating is important for HD video mode or camcorders, where the device is actually saving a steady stream of data. The resolution and format of the video determines the amount of steady stream data. You should consult your camera user manual for minimum speed class requirements for HD video modes.
Speed Class (SD Bus):
Class Minimum Speed
2 2MB/s
4 4MB/s
6 6MB/s
8 8MB/s
10 10MB/s
UHS Speed Class (UHS Bus):
UHS Class Minimum Speed
I 10MB/s
For a more detailed explanation of speed class see: Difference between Speed Class, UHS Speed Class, and Speed Ratings...
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Thus with this info, I settled on the SanDisk Ultra® microSDXC™ UHS-I class 10 64GB card within included Android app for file management (Product Number #SDSDQUA-064G-A11A). This is the product number I'd verify when purchasing this item from an American retailer.
**NOTE** there are slightly different product numbers for the same exact item when being sold in different continental areas
Now, the last thing I had to verify was if the LG Optimus G E970 was designed to have Android support the exFAT file system that is the default for this microSD card. I found that LG Electronics through a partnership has the Tuxera exFAT file system integrated into LGE Mobile flagship products starting with the LG Optimus G smartphone in November 2012. www DOT tuxera DOT com/news/lg-optimus-g-smartphone-line-ships-with-tuxera-exfat/ - You can check out the article here. This was the last piece of confirmation that I needed to be satisfied that SanDisk's 64GB mircoSD card products would work in this phone and all future LGE mobile smartphone devices. Happy happy, joy joy!
So, to make this long post short, yes, based on what I've researched, the LG Optimus G E970 will natively be compatible with the 64GB sized line of mircoSD cards. In fact, according to the last link I posted, the phone will even except microSD cards much larger than 64GB once they are more commonly found consumer retail locations. Of course, only time will tell if this is true.
I purchased that exact MicroSD and it works unless you flash a non-stock ROM. After that, you have to format it to something else (I think mine is formatted as EXT4)
EXFAT fix.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2181460
Great to Know exFAT is Still Usable in Non-Stock ROMs
adfurgerson said:
EXFAT fix.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2181460
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I noticed this thread as well during the research I've been doing here is deciding on purchasing this phone. I'm completely new to rooting and and flashing ROMs so until I do more studying on this I'll have to stick with the stock setup. My ultimate goal though it to at least root it so that I can use wifi tethering function without getting the stupid additional monthly charge from AT&T. I was able to do this on my current Samsung Galaxy SII Skyrocket without rooting thanks to FoxFi, but I've been reading that FoxFi doesn't work on Android OSs after ICS. If I do decide to flash another non-stock ROM then I'll mos def be looking more in depth at your thread link. Thanks!
As the author of that thread let me tell you that information is obsolete. All 4.3 roms I've tried read and write and mtp to my exfat cards just fine, right out of the box.
Samsung 64gb uhs1 hovering around $60 on Amazon. I've tried SanDisk too but had nasty failure rate. Had good luck with the Samsung that I bought a second one. They write 15-20 Mbps and read up to 70 Mbps in a USB 3 card reader, about half that in the phone. It's faster than the phone's built in storage.
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I noticed this thread as well during the research I've been doing here is deciding on purchasing this phone. I'm completely new to rooting and and flashing ROMs so until I do more studying on this I'll have to stick with the stock setup. My ultimate goal though it to at least root it so that I can use wifi tethering function without getting the stupid additional monthly charge from AT&T. I was able to do this on my current Samsung Galaxy SII Skyrocket without rooting thanks to FoxFi, but I've been reading that FoxFi doesn't work on Android OSs after ICS. If I do decide to flash another non-stock ROM then I'll mos def be looking more in depth at your thread link. Thanks!
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There's plenty of people that would help you unlock and put on a custom rom on the lgog granted you did a little research yourself first. It's always a pain babying someone through it, but as long as you have an idea what you're doing before you start, there's plenty of us that can help. It's very hard to fully brick the lgog just so you know. If you ever want faster answers our IRC channel is probably the best way.
onyxwavex said:
So, to make this long post short, yes, based on what I've researched, the LG Optimus G E970 will natively be compatible with the 64GB sized line of mircoSD cards. In fact, according to the last link I posted, the phone will even except microSD cards much larger than 64GB once they are more commonly found consumer retail locations. Of course, only time will tell if this is true.
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Yes, and they are on sale at best buy now for $65, and they are the minimum 20mb/s write variety. Buy it in store or online with "i'll pick up in store" and if you have any of the failure rate issues you can just replace it on the spot. Just my two pennies. It's $5 more than amazon but you get the faster rated speed one (lot of prior gen were class 6/uhs I) and the convenience of instant return/swaps.
onyxwavex said:
I noticed this thread as well during the research I've been doing here is deciding on purchasing this phone. I'm completely new to rooting and and flashing ROMs so until I do more studying on this I'll have to stick with the stock setup. My ultimate goal though it to at least root it so that I can use wifi tethering function without getting the stupid additional monthly charge from AT&T. I was able to do this on my current Samsung Galaxy SII Skyrocket without rooting thanks to FoxFi, but I've been reading that FoxFi doesn't work on Android OSs after ICS. If I do decide to flash another non-stock ROM then I'll mos def be looking more in depth at your thread link. Thanks!
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Benchmark from SDTools of the SanDisk I picked up at best buy yesterday, 20MB sustained in the phone is pretty good for write speed.
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Yes, and they are on sale at best buy now for $65, and they are the minimum 20mb/s write variety. Buy it in store or online with "i'll pick up in store" and if you have any of the failure rate issues you can just replace it on the spot. Just my two pennies. It's $5 more than amazon but you get the faster rated speed one (lot of prior gen were class 6/uhs I) and the convenience of instant return/swaps.
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$65 is way more than I want to spend. lol, I'm looking to get 2 of them for under $50 each, thus I'll probably end up getting them off eBay some time within the next week or two.
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Benchmark from SDTools of the SanDisk I picked up at best buy yesterday, 20MB sustained in the phone is pretty good for write speed.
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That's good to know. I get my two new LG phones (Optimus G E970 & Optimus G Pro) in the mail tomorrow, and then I'll be picking up new 64GB microSD cards for both of them within a couple weeks, so I report back on how the cards are working for me then.
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There's plenty of people that would help you unlock and put on a custom rom on the lgog granted you did a little research yourself first. It's always a pain babying someone through it, but as long as you have an idea what you're doing before you start, there's plenty of us that can help. It's very hard to fully brick the lgog just so you know. If you ever want faster answers our IRC channel is probably the best way.
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It'll probably be at least another month or two of studying the threads before I decide to jump into unlocking and flashing a custom ROM on my 2 new LG phones. Right, now my main focus will be to root them both so that I can get the most usage out of both the Root Explorer and SQLite Editor apps.
lol, and don't worry, I'm one that likes to try and research the hell out of something first, and then find at around 5 other people who've said that they have successfully done something a certain way before I attempt it. And what ever I learn, I'll mos def post it here in the forums (at least if it isn't posted already) if I think it can help others out.
I've been an avid SanDisk user. For a 64gb formatted in fat32, here. Only had 1 failure with a 32gb and that was by applying the JB update on the Atrix HD with the card in.
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Went through all the posts..
Wondering, I got a Sandisk Ultra 32 GB card. I used with Galaxy S3. Now I am getting Optimus G E970. (In couple days). Its formatted to Fat 32 currently. shouldn't be a problem right?
this phone is very easy to root and unlock bootloader. anyone that ever had an HTC phone and know what the "wire trick" means know what im talking about. i say u need about 2 hours of reading before getting to business.
I have the same exact card works fine here
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NHS2008 said:
Went through all the posts..
Wondering, I got a Sandisk Ultra 32 GB card. I used with Galaxy S3. Now I am getting Optimus G E970. (In couple days). Its formatted to Fat 32 currently. shouldn't be a problem right?
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It'll work just fine. Same with 64gb cards. EXFat might not work on all ROMs, though.
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Exfat works with the zip on every aosp rom I've tried recently and most of the recent 4.3 roms support exfat out of the box now that CM added it in, so anybody that clones a cm 10.2 repo will get native exfat support without a flashable zip.
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32 GB
Is it possible to get such write speeds of 20MBps with a microSDHC card?
Because I cudn't find any 32GB sdxc cards only sdhc ones?
Lol, sdxc is 64gb and up.
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Also, I pre-ordered the 128gb card. I'll let y'all know how it works out when it shows up.
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Did anybody have any problems with the default Kingmax 16GB Class 6 card?
Is it more or less reliable? Just wondering, because such size is sufficient for me but I prefer not to lose my data accidentally
128 GB microSD card
Has anyone tried out a 128 gb microSD card yet?
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Hello there,
After took my time to consider about what to buy and choiced the ZU, I am now looking at which MicroSD to put inside and got really attract by the sandisk extreme pro in 32Gb. In term of perf in both random and sequential transfer are top notch and as been proved to be even higher than the actual transfer rate given by Sandisk (tested on computer). I saw several benchmark and it was proven to have about 2 times the transfer rate of a sandisk microsd ultra on a galaxy SIII and Note 2.
Now I wonder about how does it work on the Xperia Z Ultra, anybody have this card and did run a bench?
bASKOU said:
Hello there,
After took my time to consider about what to buy and choiced the ZU, I am now looking at which MicroSD to put inside and got really attract by the sandisk extreme pro in 32Gb. In term of perf in both random and sequential transfer are top notch and as been proved to be even higher than the actual transfer rate given by Sandisk (tested on computer). I saw several benchmark and it was proven to have about 2 times the transfer rate of a sandisk microsd ultra on a galaxy SIII and Note 2.
Now I wonder about how does it work on the Xperia Z Ultra, anybody have this card and did run a bench?
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...re-really-really-fast-with-benchmark-results/
See the above link. Unless the ultra supports UHS-1 you will get class 10 performance. You will still get quicker than the normal class 10 cards but your not going to get the full achievable performance out of the card.
baileyjr said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...re-really-really-fast-with-benchmark-results/
See the above link. Unless the ultra supports UHS-1 you will get class 10 performance. You will still get quicker than the normal class 10 cards but your not going to get the full achievable performance out of the card.
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Yes, I saw this test. I saw all of theme maybe ^^, reason why I came asking here if people have this card on the ultra. Some other phones give a better results.
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bASKOU said:
Hello there,
After took my time to consider about what to buy and choiced the ZU, I am now looking at which MicroSD to put inside and got really attract by the sandisk extreme pro in 32Gb. In term of perf in both random and sequential transfer are top notch and as been proved to be even higher than the actual transfer rate given by Sandisk (tested on computer). I saw several benchmark and it was proven to have about 2 times the transfer rate of a sandisk microsd ultra on a galaxy SIII and Note 2.
Now I wonder about how does it work on the Xperia Z Ultra, anybody have this card and did run a bench?
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"Please be informed that UHS-1 (Ultra high speed) is equivalent to class 10. All UHS-1 memory cards have 10MB/s of minimum data transfer speed same as a class 10 card. There is no difference in the data transfer speeds of these memory cards and also they are identical in their technical specifications as well. All SDHC and SDXC class 10 memory cards that we are manufacturing are UHS-1 also."
Thats straight from Sandisk when i inquired a while back..
UHS-2 is 30MB/s
This is to be released 2014
hamdogg said:
"Please be informed that UHS-1 (Ultra high speed) is equivalent to class 10. All UHS-1 memory cards have 10MB/s of minimum data transfer speed same as a class 10 card. There is no difference in the data transfer speeds of these memory cards and also they are identical in their technical specifications as well. All SDHC and SDXC class 10 memory cards that we are manufacturing are UHS-1 also."
Thats straight from Sandisk when i inquired a while back..
UHS-2 is 30MB/s
This is to be released 2014
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Anyway I didn't make this post for trolling about cards, just wanna know if someone actually use it on the ultra and have some results. Always so annoying to talking about memory cards because each person have his own way of thinking about it. I am not a newbie memory card user, I know the details and how it work. So no need to come and say things that are not at they place on this thread.
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bASKOU said:
Funny, really. I have already 3 different microsd class 10 from classic 8 gb to ultra 32 gb and I can tell that the transfer rate is really different. We are well in the 10 mb transfer rate guaranty but they can do far more than just this. I got big difference with swap partition on the 32gb ultra than the 32gb classic. Random and sequential access are grandly improved and same goes for the new extreme pro. And benchmarks on PC and Android show it too, or maybe everybody lie and bench are good to be throw on the recycle bin.
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I have the 64Gb sanDisk Ultra UHS-1
In my galaxy s4 (octa-core) i get 10-12 Mb/s...
in my old Note i get 10-14 Mb/s...
Bloody strange! and clearly depends on the device
hamdogg said:
"Please be informed that UHS-1 (Ultra high speed) is equivalent to class 10. All UHS-1 memory cards have 10MB/s of minimum data transfer speed same as a class 10 card. There is no difference in the data transfer speeds of these memory cards and also they are identical in their technical specifications as well. All SDHC and SDXC class 10 memory cards that we are manufacturing are UHS-1 also."
Thats straight from Sandisk when i inquired a while back..
UHS-2 is 30MB/s
This is to be released 2014
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Its the devices that are holding these card back.. If you look at the test results on Androd police the cards are achieving much faster speeds in a card reader hooked up to a pc.
hamdogg said:
I have the 64Gb sanDisk Ultra UHS-1
In my galaxy s4 (octa-core) i get 10-12 Mb/s...
in my old Note i get 10-14 Mb/s...
Bloody strange! and clearly depends on the device
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On HTC Sensation xe
Class 10 sandisk 8gb classic 10-12 Mb/s
Class 10 sandisk 32gb classic 10-16 Mb/s
Class 10 sandisk 32gb ultra 16-24 Mb/s
It is different! Root access modify read ahead and some other commands values and the ultra give better results. So if the phone can treat transfer better and modify some value that influence cache treatment and i/o database performances you can, with a better card have better transfer rate.
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bASKOU said:
On HTC Sensation xe
Class 10 sandisk 8gb classic 10-12 Mb/s
Class 10 sandisk 32gb classic 10-16 Mb/s
Class 10 sandisk 32gb ultra 16-24 Mb/s
It is different! Root access modify read ahead and some other commands values and the ultra give better results. So if the phone can treat transfer better and modify some value that influence cache treatment and i/o database performances you can, with a better card have better transfer rate.
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yeah of course i was rooted on both devices, but left the I/O read-ahead alone... but after the cache is gone, it still bottlenecks to the speed the card and device can handle. (I'm talking 100mb files for testing here)
I am looking more at the 64GB card
http://shop.sandisk.com/store/sdisk...?ClickID=bmkkezmuslngvemy1dkdfdmsyl6lzmdnzqvv
How does android handle SDXC? I have never used it before.
SÜPERUSER said:
I am looking more at the 64GB card
http://shop.sandisk.com/store/sdisk...?ClickID=bmkkezmuslngvemy1dkdfdmsyl6lzmdnzqvv
How does android handle SDXC? I have never used it before.
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Android and new devices handle it very well. Old devices had trouble to handle 32gb but now it can take on 64gb without problem.
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bASKOU said:
Android and new devices handle it very well. Old devices had trouble to handle 32gb but now it can take on 64gb without problem.
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Thank you, Im glad to hear that! Yes I remember the days when having an SD card in my android device back in 2010, from time to time I had to stick it in the computer and delete the partition with gparted to start all over.
Got my microSD extreme 32gb and here as attachment a sd card bench with the internal memory as well.
The internal memory speed is really amazing, no wonder why games launch so fast. And it clearly show that Sony gave us a really amazing sdcard reader, 41/31 show performances above of what a microSD ultra can give.
For those interested to bench your memory you can use A1 SD Bench available on play store. For test your sd card you need to set the directory manually. /storage/removable/sdcard1 and for more accurate results select long test.
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SÜPERUSER said:
I am looking more at the 64GB card
http://shop.sandisk.com/store/sdisk...?ClickID=bmkkezmuslngvemy1dkdfdmsyl6lzmdnzqvv
How does android handle SDXC? I have never used it before.
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I used 64gb micro sd card in my old samsung galaxy s2. It worked fine with no problem. It will work in the Z Ultra also.
As mentioned in the Subject Title, Does Xperia Z2 Supports UHS-I Speed?
siregorash said:
As mentioned in the Subject Title, Does Xperia Z2 Supports UHS-I Speed?
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Yup it does.
Using the following one now:
http://www.lexar.com/products/lexar...sdhc-microsdxc-uhs-i-cards-633x?category=5778
MasK said:
Yup it does.
Using the following one now:
http://www.lexar.com/products/lexar...sdhc-microsdxc-uhs-i-cards-633x?category=5778
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(Surprised)
You serious? I have the same card running on my Note 3, I'm definitely dumping SM-N9005 for Xperia Z2 if it's true.
Really appreciate it if you can show a long bench screenshot.
(Excited)
siregorash said:
(Surprised)
You serious? I have the same card running on my Note 3, I'm definitely dumping SM-N9005 for Xperia Z2 if it's true.
Really appreciate it if you can show a long bench screenshot.
(Excited)
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Sorry, what is long bench?
I don't think it's anything extraordinary for new phones to support UHS-I.
MasK said:
Sorry, what is long bench?
I don't think it's anything extraordinary for new phones to support UHS-I.
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My meaning of long bench means:
Downloading A1 SD Bench or SD Card Tester to do a Benchmark.
A1 Bench (Long Bench)
SD Card Tester (To set file size to maybe 1000MB or 2000MB)
Anyways, Galaxy S5 doesn't support UHS-I Speed.
And I don't get what you mean by saying that, you don't think it's anything extraordinary for new phones to support UHS-I.
Quoted from (showthread.php?t=2708665)
Of course to say, All UHS-I cards are backward compatible. If your device doesn't supports UHS-I, It will downgrade itself to Class 10.
So, my question on the title is that, does Z2 support uhs-i speed. I'm not talking about if the phone supports the card.
Really sorry if I sound rude. I'm just trying to make things clearer.
My apologies for not giving enough information and background when I ask this question.
siregorash said:
My meaning of long bench means:
Downloading A1 SD Bench or SD Card Tester to do a Benchmark.
A1 Bench (Long Bench)
SD Card Tester (To set file size to maybe 1000MB or 2000MB)
Anyways, Galaxy S5 doesn't support UHS-I Speed.
And I don't get what you mean by saying that, you don't think it's anything extraordinary for new phones to support UHS-I.
Quoted from (showthread.php?t=2708665)
Of course to say, All UHS-I cards are backward compatible. If your device doesn't supports UHS-I, It will downgrade itself to Class 10.
So, my question on the title is that, does Z2 support uhs-i speed. I'm not talking about if the phone supports the card.
Really sorry if I sound rude. I'm just trying to make things clearer.
My apologies for not giving enough information and background when I ask this question.
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Thanks for the clarification.
In that case, I would say I don't know if it supports UHS-I speed. It certainly supports the card though.
As for benchmarks, I can't seem to get it done. I think it's largely due to KitKat limitation. Is your N3 running on KitKat? Can you get the benchmark done?
MasK said:
Thanks for the clarification.
In that case, I would say I don't know if it supports UHS-I speed. It certainly supports the card though.
As for benchmarks, I can't seem to get it done. I think it's largely due to KitKat limitation. Is your N3 running on KitKat? Can you get the benchmark done?
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Yup. My N9005 is running on 4.4.2.
Taken from wikipedia,
Version 4.4
Applications' write access to secondary storage (memory cards on devices with internal primary storage) is made possible but restricted to their designated private directories only, while full access to internal primary storage is still allowed through a separate application-level permission.
I'm able to do benchmark using A1 SD Bench.
If you were to do a custom location, you only can point to the sd card folder which the application has access to.
The lexar sdcard benchmark results on my N9005 is not good.
20MBps read and 12MBps write
I did a benchmark using the card and its usb 3.0 reader on my laptop and it reads 89.69MBps and writes 47.22MBps.
I got the card from newstead. I bought 3 actually. And all 3 of them gave the same android & laptop results.
Finally, I really thinks that Z2 is amazing and I will definitely switch phone if it does support uhs-i sd card speed.
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Here it is.
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Here it is.
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Wow, that's like double of mine. Thanks.
I've got my answer to whether to purchase Z2 or not.
I don't think that is UHS speed. I am using a class 10 and also get roughly the same benchmarks.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cmxa7rtt5wlbjs7/Screenshot_2014-04-18-05-15-28.png
Seifer1975 said:
I don't think that is UHS speed. I am using a class 10 and also get roughly the same benchmarks.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cmxa7rtt5wlbjs7/Screenshot_2014-04-18-05-15-28.png
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Well your microsd is uhs-i because prior to uhs, microsd maximum speed is 25MBps.
Your read speed is physically impossible without uhs bus speeds.
Uhs-i has a 50MBps and 104MBps version. Looks like our phone is topping out at 50 which means it only supports sdr50 or ddr50.
xsacha said:
microsd maximum speed is 25MBps.
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It means 25MBps in read or write?
EDIT: It means 25MB/s transfer, no matter read or write. With Toshiba Exceria 16G I have 38,8 MB/s read and 22,5 MB/s write.
xsacha said:
Well your microsd is uhs-i because prior to uhs, microsd maximum speed is 25MBps.
Your read speed is physically impossible without uhs bus speeds.
Uhs-i has a 50MBps and 104MBps version. Looks like our phone is topping out at 50 which means it only supports sdr50 or ddr50.
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But mine just says class 10 on the card.
Unlike the Note 3, which has USB 3.0, the Z2 only has a USB 2.0 connector, so you're going to be capped transfer speed-wise.
Sony Xperia Z2 + SanDisk Extreme PLUS UHS-I
Hey guys! Here is my test of Z2 with SanDisk Extreme PLUS UHS-I 64Gb
Honestly, I've expected faster Reading.
hi my SanDisk mobile ultra sdsdqu-16g-u46a
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biniek said:
hi my SanDisk mobile ultra sdsdqu-16g-u46a
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That's 34.8 for read and 14.4 for write (Internal SD Card). Sometimes this benchmark shows incorrect names/sections. But you won't be fooled if you'll check the size of memory in the description.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52960867&postcount=4
So I've ordered the Samsung micro SD card Pro plus 64GB. It's Samsungs flagship model. This card supports read speeds up to 95MB/s and write speeds up to 90MB/s. But judging by my results I'm not getting near those speeds.
A1 SD Bench:
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So what speeds are supported by the Z5C?
What cards are you guys using and what speeds are you getting with "A1 SD Bench" app?
By the power of Sony Xperia Z5 Compact
I tried today a Transcend Ultimate 64GB 633x with Up to 95MBs Read and 85MB/s write.
I got 42,91MB/s Read and 28,65MB/s Write... quiet bad in my opinion
I have the same Samsung Pro+ 64gb card and I am not getting anywhere near as advertised either. My read/write speeds are similar to yours.
Do you think this would be due to only 2gb of RAM?
Woza72 said:
Do you think this would be due to only 2gb of RAM?
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Those speed have nothing to do with RAM. If I were to make an educated guess, the speed depends on the microSD-Card reader and/or the chipset.
I think it's a bit over-simplified to talk about microsdxc speeds without any further qualifications. The manufacturer-advertised speeds are only achievable under ideal conditions (sequential as opposed to random access, specific file size etc.) If the benchmark you're running is different from the one the manufacturer ran, you may measure much lower speeds.
I'm not saying I'm positive the SoC/SD card reader in the Z5C isn't the bottleneck, I'm not sure. My point is that micoSDXC cards are much slower than advertised in real-world scenarios (and realistic benchmarks), even when using them via a super-fast card reader such as a Kingston USB 3.0 FCR-HS4 and a high-endish desktop PC.
dafie said:
I think it's a bit over-simplified to talk about microsdxc speeds without any further qualifications. The manufacturer-advertised speeds are only achievable under ideal conditions (sequential as opposed to random access, specific file size etc.) If the benchmark you're running is different from the one the manufacturer ran, you may measure much lower speeds.
I'm not saying I'm positive the SoC/SD card reader in the Z5C isn't the bottleneck, I'm not sure. My point is that micoSDXC cards are much slower than advertised in real-world scenarios (and realistic benchmarks), even when using them via a super-fast card reader such as a Kingston USB 3.0 FCR-HS4 and a high-endish desktop PC.
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I can support dafie's scepsis. My last mircoSD class10 card from Transcend had advertised Speeds of 60mb/s read and 20mb/s write, but actually performed only about 50mb/s read (which is okay to me) and 9-11 mb/s write (which I find very lackluster). I tested this on several card readers (Xperia Z3C, Macbook Air, USB2.0-Adapter on a Windows PC).
@Mythos123 So if you want to know wether the limitation lies within the phone or the sd card I suggest you test it on an integrated sd card reader on a modern laptop or a dedicated usb 3.0 card reader at any decent pc.
reach3r said:
I can support dafie's scepsis. My last mircoSD class10 card from Transcend had advertised Speeds of 60mb/s read and 20mb/s write, but actually performed only about 50mb/s read (which is okay to me) and 9-11 mb/s write (which I find very lackluster). I tested this on several card readers (Xperia Z3C, Macbook Air, USB2.0-Adapter on a Windows PC).
@Mythos123 So if you want to know wether the limitation lies within the phone or the sd card I suggest you test it on an integrated sd card reader on a modern laptop or a dedicated usb 3.0 card reader at any decent pc.
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Unfortunately my laptop is really old, so I can't compare speeds.
By the power of Sony Xperia Z5 Compact
This is disconcerting because if you look through the amazon-reviews you will also find benchmarks made on android which confirm the speeds that are advertised.
I'm currently using an older 128GB card with only 30MBs/10MBs and was considering an update, but i guess i'm less motivated to do so now.
Did you try with another software?
I've an old "SanDisk ULTRA 64GB" and the results (with that app) are:
Read: 36.17MB/s
Write: 12.15MB/s
I'd like a faster SD capable of write at 70MB/s+ isn't that possible in the Z5 Compact? (If I move games, like Hearthstone from Internal Memory to External Memory they are really slow).
@Mythos123
I just bought one Samsung Pro+ 32GB..
Write speed can't pass 21MB/s with that bench app.
I think we have a very slow card reader or some kind of bug. (Yours write a 36MB/s at least).
EDIT:
- I formated the 32GB SD from FAT32 to exFAT (because Android formatted it as FAT32).
- If I do this test (with this app) many times in a row (using the quick test), write speed raises up to 35-37MB/s, so I think sdcards tests don't work fine at the moment, and...37MB/s is the peak for our card reader.+
- The sequential write speed using USB cable (and USB 3.0 port just in case is above 30MB/s and supported by the Xperia) is 20MB/s approximately. (Copied a .MKV of 15700MB in 13.5 minutes).
So, in summary:
Max sequential write speed achieved with an app: 37MB/s
Max sequential write speed achieved with USB and MTP protocol: 20MB/s.
Such a pitty, Smart phones are in many ways still way way behind desktop and laptop solutions..
I suppose to really compare, you'd have to find a benchmark test on an review. Then use the exact same software and test it on the Sony. Repeating the test as closely as you can.
I've got a 64gb card now (samsung pro) also. I've been thinking about upgrading to a 128GB or 200GB. Has anyone tried getting a larger card? or are those all slower. (I want to carry a copy of all my photos around with me rather than use up precious data whenever I want to look at one)
All Z1 to Z5 limited to 40MB read/write by the card reader chip.
There's really no use for getting fastest cards. They will all be limited by the phone speed
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TheEndHK said:
All Z1 to Z5 limited to 40MB read/write by the card reader chip.
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baste07 said:
There's really no use for getting fastest cards. They will all be limited by the phone speed
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So based on this, what's the most value for money card to get?
EDIT: I mean, I'm reading some information online about needing a UHS-I "U3" class card for 4k video recording. With a 40MB/S read/write limit, isn't it going to be impossible even if we use a "U3" card?
coffee black said:
So based on this, what's the most value for money card to get?
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Sandisk Extreme microSD(mid class), no need Extreme Pro(high-end). If you want Samsung, you will still to buy EVO Pro as the entry level of EVO Plus got only 20MB/s write. Samsung and Toshiba seems no medium classes.
I previously own m4 aqua, and i have sandisk extreme
I got 42MB/s read and 36MB/s write on m4 aqua
The card is advertised as 60MB/s read and 40MB/s write speed and displays the UHS Speed Class 3 (U3) designation
I never do benchmark again after switch to z5 compact, but I think the result will be same
eng3 said:
I suppose to really compare, you'd have to find a benchmark test on an review. Then use the exact same software and test it on the Sony. Repeating the test as closely as you can.
I've got a 64gb card now (samsung pro) also. I've been thinking about upgrading to a 128GB or 200GB. Has anyone tried getting a larger card? or are those all slower. (I want to carry a copy of all my photos around with me rather than use up precious data whenever I want to look at one)
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I'm about to go from the Samsung 64 up to 200gb. They're on sale right now for $80.write speeds never really bother me like hitting the size limit does lol
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra...p/B00V62XBQQ/?tag=androidcentralb-20&m1k=d_ac
P.S. when you put 50+GB of photos on a phone, the thumbnails really slow it down. Putting them in a hidden system folder (.nameoffolder) really helps with not lagging the device and gallery/camera down!
coffee black said:
EDIT: I mean, I'm reading some information online about needing a UHS-I "U3" class card for 4k video recording. With a 40MB/S read/write limit, isn't it going to be impossible even if we use a "U3" card?
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Video recording is using Mbit while sdcard is using MByte .... 40MB/s x 8 = 320Mbit
There is no any consumer level of DSLR/phone reached [email protected] yet but a higher speed card is always help because probably it takes a shorter time to writing data and hence, reduced heat and save battery. Take a example, 200MB for a 20MB/s card spend 10s while only 5s needed for a 40MB/s card and you saved battery for that 5 seconds and generated smaller heat as well.
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civicsr2cool said:
I'm about to go from the Samsung 64 up to 200gb. They're on sale right now for $80.write speeds never really bother me like hitting the size limit does lol
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra...p/B00V62XBQQ/?tag=androidcentralb-20&m1k=d_ac
P.S. when you put 50+GB of photos on a phone, the thumbnails really slow it down. Putting them in a hidden system folder (.nameoffolder) really helps with not lagging the device and gallery/camera down!
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Modern entry level card got a much faster speed usually has 15~20MB/s write and very valuable. In the old day slow card is real slow with just 4~8MB/s writing speed.